Watching the SEO House Fall Down Slowly - GoFuckYourself.com

Barefootsies · 06-17-2008, 10:11 AM

I did a interview last night and was asked some really really good questions. One of which was what is the future of SEO?

My honest answer is there is no future in SEO. From my experiences I am seeing Google SERPS results strongly influenced by Google Toolbar data, Google User history, and Google Analytics data. Googles combination of SEO and social voting via toolbar/history/analytics will continue to sway more in the realm of social voting. I feel this technology will only get better. I don?t think anyone can argue that core SEO has gotten less valuable over the years and I see that trend continuing. After all if you read the spam as defined by Matt Cutts (Google Lead Spam Engineer) he says:

?Web spam is when somebody tries to cheat or take shortcuts so that their Web site shows up higher [in search results rankings] than it deserves to show up,? - Matt Cutts

That is most SEO at its core. Sure you add title tags and meta descriptions but then you have to incentivize people to link to it. You are now seeing lots sites rank for stuff that have the goofiest URL structure, unoptimized title tags, and bad description tags.

Some of the best examples of how the Google algorithm is more favoring social voting (via above methods) are seen with the Google Sitelinks. I have had things show up on sitelinks that were completely noindex/nofollow and had no meta description or even on page content yet were the first item listed in my sitelinks? coincidently they were also the most trafficked item on my site.

So in my opinion there just is no future in current SEO for Google anyway. Its not going to happen overnight but it is happening.

Please keep in mind I (Shoemoney) am not a professional SEO and have never claimed to be. My opinions above are purely based on my experiences.

http://www.shoemoney.com/2008/05/07/seo-has-no-future/

Barefootsies · 06-17-2008, 10:15 AM

polle54 · 06-17-2008, 10:15 AM

well you still seo'ed your url to your blog

Mike Semen · 06-17-2008, 10:20 AM

Classic link bait.

d-null · 06-17-2008, 10:21 AM

agree with you barefootsies

the best approach for long term seo is content

if your users bookmark and keep coming back to your site every day you are on the right track I think

polle54 · 06-17-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Semen

Classic link bait.

LOL you are so right hehe

You seem to know your way around shoemoney, solid blog you got.

Mickey_ · 06-17-2008, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I think a 'hunderd' is worth 10x more than a 'hundred'.

ps. Shoemoney doesn't = Barefootsies.

payd2purv · 06-17-2008, 10:45 AM

Blows my mind that their are surfers that are such newbs they use a search engine to find porn.

SNL · 06-17-2008, 11:02 AM

AzoogleAds

This is not a real check it was for a Magazine Ad for AzoogleAds
http://www.shoemoney.com/gallery/v/m...geViewsIndex=1

WiredGuy · 06-17-2008, 11:17 AM

I love misinformation. See sig.
WG

Stephen McTowelie · 06-17-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by payd2purv

Blows my mind that their are surfers that are such newbs they use a search engine to find porn.

yeah who'd have thought surfers would use google eh

Stephen McTowelie · 06-17-2008, 11:37 AM

I love statements like there is no future in seo cracks me up !

But yeah no one bother with optimising there sites for google spread the word footsies !

;)

Roald · 06-17-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I love misinformation. See sig.
WG

LOL I was thinking about your sig while reading his post

Barefootsies · 06-17-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mickey-AWE

ps. Shoemoney doesn't = Barefootsies.

Correct.

Barefootsies · 06-17-2008, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen McTowelie

I love statements like there is no future in seo cracks me up !

But yeah no one bother with optimising there sites for google spread the word SHOEBITCH !

;)

tranza · 06-17-2008, 12:49 PM

This car is very nice!

pr0 · 06-17-2008, 01:00 PM

this thread is pretty funny

baddog · 06-17-2008, 01:05 PM

Luckily McDonald's has very good training and I feel qualified to resume my post at the grill, window, fries or shake machine.

mx8829 · 06-17-2008, 01:17 PM

SEO is always evolving

, learn to adopt . you will be fine. I have built sites with just simple tweaks are getting good SE traffic and still growing.

Linguist · 06-17-2008, 01:33 PM

SEO that most of us are familiar with (pure spam) will end up being outranked by things like linkbait which gives the sites a perfect social acceptance (see first post in this thread)

Barefootsies · 06-17-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Linguist

(see first post in this thread)

tiger · 06-17-2008, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen McTowelie

I love statements like there is no future in seo cracks me up !

But yeah no one bother with optimising there sites for google spread the word footsies !

;)

I think you missed the point. I believe he's saying it is becoming less and less of a factor not that you still shouldn't try at all. I still follow the basics but I have noticed the same things.

Nicky · 06-17-2008, 03:51 PM

There is no money in SEO, we have said it for years here.

JamesK · 06-17-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky

There is no money in SEO, we have said it for years here.

Yep, only idiots believe in SEO. Do you really think WiredGuy gets paid much? He never posts pics of hot cars and houses. He is one of the best SEO's but there's simply no money in generating traffic that way, so even he fails.

Google is way too smart, even the best SEO's only get a few hunderd clicks a month which is beer money for the western civilization. I think the future is in TGP's, focus on that guys if you really want to make big bucks

qxm · 06-17-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky

There is no money in SEO, we have said it for years here.

yeap.......I do recall many instances..

GT-Omar · 06-17-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Roald

LOL I was thinking about your sig while reading his post

That make 2 of us

pr0 · 06-17-2008, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesK

Yep, only idiots believe in SEO. Do you really think WiredGuy gets paid much? He never posts pics of hot cars and houses. He is one of the best SEO's but there's simply no money in generating traffic that way, so even he fails.

Google is way too smart, even the best SEO's only get a few hunderd clicks a month which is beer money for the western civilization. I think the future is in TGP's, focus on that guys if you really want to make big bucks

I drive a 1985 cutlass....I call it "mr hoopty"

potter · 06-17-2008, 07:25 PM

there is no money in interwebs

Brad Gosse · 06-17-2008, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesK

Yep, only idiots believe in SEO. Do you really think WiredGuy gets paid much? He never posts pics of hot cars and houses. He is one of the best SEO's but there's simply no money in generating traffic that way, so even he fails.

Google is way too smart, even the best SEO's only get a few hunderd clicks a month which is beer money for the western civilization. I think the future is in TGP's, focus on that guys if you really want to make big bucks

You don't have a clue

MattO · 06-17-2008, 08:11 PM

I do okay with the SEO but it's a bit frustrating when I get a good search for a specific porn title or star and the competing results are torrent sites.

baddog · 06-17-2008, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Gosse

You don't have a clue

I like to think he was kidding . . . . please tell me you were kidding.

GAMEFINEST · 06-17-2008, 09:04 PM

shoeeeeeee

darnit · 06-17-2008, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SNL

AzoogleAds

This is not a real check it was for a Magazine Ad for AzoogleAds
http://www.shoemoney.com/gallery/v/m...geViewsIndex=1

What a crappy photoshop job. There isn't even a reflection of the check on the side of the hummer....

JamesK · 06-17-2008, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I like to think he was kidding . . . . please tell me you were kidding.

I thought "I think the future is in TGP's, focus on that guys if you really want to make big bucks" gave it away, guess not

rogerrabbit00 · 06-17-2008, 09:20 PM

We are #1 for many adult dating terms. SEO is just work when you know what you are doing.

aico · 06-17-2008, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darnit

What a crappy photoshop job. There isn't even a reflection of the check on the side of the hummer....

LOL, good eye.

Azoy? · 06-17-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by darnit

What a crappy photoshop job. There isn't even a reflection of the check on the side of the hummer....

and the hand where he is holding the check is not aligned with the hand on the reflection on the hummer.
In terms of SEO, it works if you do it right and not a half past job like many out there.
Those who say there is no money in SEO also say there is not money in porn or TGP conversions

rogerrabbit00 · 06-17-2008, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Azoy?

and the hand where he is holding the check is not aligned with the hand on the reflection on the hummer.
In terms of SEO, it works if you do it right and not a half past job like many out there.
Those who say there is no money in SEO also say there is not money in porn or TGP conversions

Don't expect SEO work to happen overnight. You might need to wait 3 months but you should see progress. TGP is good also but there are better methods. Find something that works then multiply.

Brad Gosse · 06-18-2008, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesK

I thought "I think the future is in TGP's, focus on that guys if you really want to make big bucks" gave it away, guess not

Sorry dude there is plenty of stupid on GFY. I thought you were for real. I laughed at you but now I am laughing with you ;)

Barefootsies · 06-18-2008, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad Gosse

Sorry dude there is plenty of stupid on GFY. I thought you were for real. I laughed at you but now I am laughing with you ;)

Toe hee!!

Juicy D. Links · 06-18-2008, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0

I drive a 1985 cutlass....I call it "mr hoopty"

I have a geo metro

Stephen McTowelie · 06-18-2008, 08:29 AM

Errr ...

Barefootsies · 06-18-2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

I have a geo metro

teomaxxx · 06-18-2008, 11:37 AM

I see that this thread is full of guys doing big bucks by their excelent SEO. ah, I forgot I am on GFY.

Barefootsies · 06-18-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by teomaxxx

I see that this thread is full of guys doing big bucks by their excelent SEO. ah, I forgot I am on GFY.

2012 · 06-18-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

is that how much he made or what he just put in his gas tank for that

2012 · 06-18-2008, 02:53 PM

everything is changing ... I wonder how long it will be when typing in a search gives you something completely different then a list of sites and we look back on how "barbaric" that was ...

Princess Ellisa · 06-18-2008, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I love misinformation. See sig.
WG

I was waiting to see you post that.

e-god · 06-18-2008, 03:18 PM

solution: buy shit load of traffic + seo

rock-reed · 06-18-2008, 10:56 PM

SEO is definitely dying out....

Have solid/good content is the key to growing traffic.

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Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	Watching the SEO House Fall Down Slowly I did a interview last night and was asked some really really good questions. One of which was what is the future of SEO? My honest answer is there is no future in SEO. From my experiences I am seeing Google SERPS results strongly influenced by Google Toolbar data, Google User history, and Google Analytics data. Googles combination of SEO and social voting via toolbar/history/analytics will continue to sway more in the realm of social voting. I feel this technology will only get better. I don?t think anyone can argue that core SEO has gotten less valuable over the years and I see that trend continuing. After all if you read the spam as defined by Matt Cutts (Google Lead Spam Engineer) he says: ?Web spam is when somebody tries to cheat or take shortcuts so that their Web site shows up higher [in search results rankings] than it deserves to show up,? - Matt Cutts That is most SEO at its core. Sure you add title tags and meta descriptions but then you have to incentivize people to link to it. You are now seeing lots sites rank for stuff that have the goofiest URL structure, unoptimized title tags, and bad description tags. Some of the best examples of how the Google algorithm is more favoring social voting (via above methods) are seen with the Google Sitelinks. I have had things show up on sitelinks that were completely noindex/nofollow and had no meta description or even on page content yet were the first item listed in my sitelinks? coincidently they were also the most trafficked item on my site. So in my opinion there just is no future in current SEO for Google anyway. Its not going to happen overnight but it is happening. Please keep in mind I (Shoemoney) am not a professional SEO and have never claimed to be. My opinions above are purely based on my experiences. http://www.shoemoney.com/2008/05/07/seo-has-no-future/ __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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