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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-10-2008, 10:27 PM

Blame the attornies client

directfiesta · 07-10-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Blame the attornies client

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Did you ever go to school ?

NaughtyRob · 07-10-2008, 10:42 PM

Well I'll be damned, a serious fucking discussion on gfy, whoda thunk it.

AaronM · 07-10-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Promo Claire

Of course l dont care im happy with my attorney,it was you who made the post and mentioned it maybe a concern to the industry now others have to go look up the name l guess

Just post it or icq me if you dont have the balls and let a girl do it for you.

Its annoying when posters go I know a scammer but I will not name them ,I got a bounced check and im owed 6 months income but l dont want to say who it is.

Help the industry dont worry, posting a lawyer thats lost cases will not get you in trouble if its the truth so name them or icq me maybe if this industry starts to work and share info it might help you all.

Im actually starting to think the unthinkable and think Dirty F maybe my hero gawddddddddd

Do you ever shut the fuck up?

Excuse me...I have to go snort coke and shoot heroine at the Xbiz show now.

AaronM · 07-10-2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Promo Claire

thanks for pointing that out pocketkangaroo

But I still think a name avoids confusion as its totally unfair on a biz when you have to guess and you make the wrong choice for something they havent done.

I ve looked and googled and all I come up with is Lawrence G. Walters now if thats not correct it be a big injustice to them

Who the fuck asked you to guess?

If you had Googled it right off the bat then you would not be polluting my thread with this bullshit.

Kindly piss off.

AaronM · 07-10-2008, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Do you not recal the title you choose for this topic?

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Touché.

Deej · 07-10-2008, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Touché.

I was going to point that out too

AaronM · 07-10-2008, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

I was going to point that out too

Who the fuck asked you?

Deej · 07-10-2008, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Who the fuck asked you?

in the end... thats why i didnt point it out..

have some fun at the show for me...

AaronM · 07-10-2008, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

in the end... thats why i didnt point it out..

have some fun at the show for me...

Trying to get out of here. Sitting around all dolled up like the hottie that I am while Dom is taking her sweet ass time slipping into her skin tight dress.

Paul Markham · 07-10-2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

It is and it isn't. If the lawyer says to you,You want to fight great it's going to look like a long fight. So Im going to need 100k upfront or plead guilty and we can get it reduced. This will cost alot less. Now you aren't rich what do you choose?

Spot on. The advice from the lawyer is spend $100k and more and I might get you off, but it will bankrupt you and if fight and lose you will go to prison for a very long time. Plead guilty and it will be a fine or reduced sentence.

What you also have to consider is the case the prosecution had against the defendant. Was the defendant guilty? Lots of cases we see recently are easy to win for the prosecution.

Then Aaron and all the others flaming the lawyer, before you criticise others what amount of money are you going to put towards the cost of the court case?

Because this is the bottom line, you want someone else to put up a lot of money to save your ass from getting caught down the line.

Paul Markham · 07-10-2008, 11:40 PM

Will those who think defendants in the future should plead innocent and fight the case kindly also state how much money they are prepared to put towards a fund to pay for the future trials.

Otherwise STFU because telling someone else to risk their money and liberty on a pointless thread on GFY is about the extent of this industry "coming together".

Aaron how much money will you pledge?

pocketkangaroo · 07-10-2008, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Will those who think defendants in the future should plead innocent and fight the case kindly also state how much money they are prepared to put towards a fund to pay for the future trials.

Otherwise STFU because telling someone else to risk their money and liberty on a pointless thread on GFY is about the extent of this industry "coming together".

Aaron how much money will you pledge?

The FSC has solicited donations for a long time and many people on this forum (myself included) have donated to it.

Deej · 07-10-2008, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Trying to get out of here. Sitting around all dolled up like the hottie that I am while Dom is taking her sweet ass time slipping into her skin tight dress.

Well she could use me as a shoehorn if you dont mind

kidding... get out there and do your thing....

DamageX · 07-10-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Promo Claire

DamageX
if you really think im going to all the effort for you and put paragraphs,commas etc you have no chance unless you booking my nude cleaning services or promo girls

It was a piece of advice to you, not a request. I'm not the one looking like an idiot for spewing incoherent drivel.

baddog · 07-11-2008, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Deej

right, but people get attorneys to seek advice and influencing moves...

have you ever went through the process?

I have, and anyone that thinks the defendant should go ahead and pay out the money just because you think they "could win" should be offering a ton of cash to help with their legal expenses if you are that concerned with the legal precedence.

Paul Markham · 07-11-2008, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

The FSC has solicited donations for a long time and many people on this forum (myself included) have donated to it.

To busy trying to get 2257 overturned so more people can put up more porn that might be illegal. No the people bitching here should be offering to pay for the lawyers and serve the time.

pocketkangaroo · 07-11-2008, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

To busy trying to get 2257 overturned so more people can put up more porn that might be illegal. No the people bitching here should be offering to pay for the lawyers and serve the time.

The FSC lawyers have been defending almost all the obscenity cases that have come up.

bloggingseo · 07-11-2008, 03:02 AM

I honestly do think it could be a problem UNLESS the client truly wanted to plead guilty and really didn't want to fight. Now if the lawyer is just being lazy and not wanting to fight, then yes we may have problems

AaronM · 07-11-2008, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

To busy trying to get 2257 overturned so more people can put up more porn that might be illegal. No the people bitching here should be offering to pay for the lawyers and serve the time.

Yeah...That sounds reasonable.

I'll pay your legal fees AND serve your sentence.

Brilliant.

STFU Paul.

pornguy · 07-11-2008, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

I'm honestly a bit concerned with the actions of a certain adult industry attorney and I'm wondering if anybody else feels the same.

As we all know, the outcome of legal battles is often influenced by past legal battles of either identical or similar characteristics. When there are convictions, those convictions may set precedent for future trials.

With that said......

A well known adult industry attorney has handled at least 4 fairly high profile cases in the recent past. Each of those 4 cases was plead guilty. One can't help but wonder why this attorney keeps going down this path and continuously establishing convictions without trial.

If this were a common practice among all of the adult industry lawyers then I might not think as much of it....But, I see other attorneys winning some of their cases, albeit after long trials and such but hey......At least they are fighting for their clients.

Feel free to discuss.

No court means more money in his pocket. It's as simple as that.

Mister E · 07-11-2008, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Promo Claire

Of course l dont care im happy with my attorney,it was you who made the post and mentioned it maybe a concern to the industry now others have to go look up the name l guess

Just post it or icq me if you dont have the balls and let a girl do it for you.

Its annoying when posters go I know a scammer but I will not name them ,I got a bounced check and im owed 6 months income but l dont want to say who it is.

Help the industry dont worry, posting a lawyer thats lost cases will not get you in trouble if its the truth so name them or icq me maybe if this industry starts to work and share info it might help you all.

Im actually starting to think the unthinkable and think Dirty F maybe my hero gawddddddddd

Speaking of kangaroo courts,this is one Claire!

I don't know who the lawyer is either, but I bet you could give him a rise in his legal briefs.

Wondering if it's the infamous "EB"?

Quentin · 07-11-2008, 09:35 AM

Um.... plea bargains do not "set precedent" in the way that fully adjudicated cases do.

If the government charges me with distributing obscene materials, and then I plead out to a lesser charge (or even to the original charge) this would have a negligible effect on the adult industry at large, for the simple reason that no trier of fact (i.e. jury or judge) has rendered a ruling.... which rather mitigates the value of the case in terms of "precedent."

Before we fly off the handle and say "this lawyer is giving bad advice," or "this lawyer is settling cases and that hurts the industry," it might be good to consider how criminal and civil procedure work, and then reconsider whether such plea bargains are really a "serious adult industry legal concern."

Why don't plea bargains set precedent? Well, how fair would it be for the court to issue a ruling in a case that is going to trial based on a case that did not go to trial? The facts of the case that was plead out could be identical to those in a subsequent case, but a plea bargain by its very nature means that the legal arguments available to that particular defense attorney were not tested before that court.

As a judge presiding over a subsequent trial with similar facts, you can't very well turn to the defense and say "well, this here attorney two years ago plead out a similar case in which constitutional challenges were available to him, so now I'm rejecting your First Amendment argument without comment or analysis."

It just doesn't work that way.... period.

DamageX · 07-11-2008, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Quentin

Before we fly off the handle and say "this lawyer is giving bad advice," or "this lawyer is settling cases and that hurts the industry," it might be good to consider how criminal and civil procedure work, and then reconsider whether such plea bargains are really a "serious adult industry legal concern."

What, are you fucking kidding me? This is GFY, we do no such thing! Consideration, pfffft!

seeric · 07-11-2008, 10:08 AM

Hi Aaron.

tranza · 07-11-2008, 11:14 AM

Good point!!!

tranza · 07-11-2008, 11:16 AM

this is possible!!!

AaronM · 07-11-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Quentin

Um.... plea bargains do not "set precedent" in the way that fully adjudicated cases do.

If the government charges me with distributing obscene materials, and then I plead out to a lesser charge (or even to the original charge) this would have a negligible effect on the adult industry at large, for the simple reason that no trier of fact (i.e. jury or judge) has rendered a ruling.... which rather mitigates the value of the case in terms of "precedent."

Before we fly off the handle and say "this lawyer is giving bad advice," or "this lawyer is settling cases and that hurts the industry," it might be good to consider how criminal and civil procedure work, and then reconsider whether such plea bargains are really a "serious adult industry legal concern."

Why don't plea bargains set precedent? Well, how fair would it be for the court to issue a ruling in a case that is going to trial based on a case that did not go to trial? The facts of the case that was plead out could be identical to those in a subsequent case, but a plea bargain by its very nature means that the legal arguments available to that particular defense attorney were not tested before that court.

As a judge presiding over a subsequent trial with similar facts, you can't very well turn to the defense and say "well, this here attorney two years ago plead out a similar case in which constitutional challenges were available to him, so now I'm rejecting your First Amendment argument without comment or analysis."

It just doesn't work that way.... period.

Interesting information.

Thank you for the explanation, Quentin.

Karupted Charles · 07-11-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

It was a piece of advice to you, not a request. I'm not the one looking like an idiot for spewing incoherent drivel.

So true and seconded. However improved punctuation does not help the complete lack of knowledge on the subject she is speaking about. Claire do yourself a favor and STFU already your mindlessness makes my brain hurt.

Aaron I have been thinking about this a lot lately actually and I thank you for starting this post as it nice to hear others views and know I am not alone in this concern.

crockett · 07-11-2008, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Touché.

lol I just had to do it, it was right there waiting for someone to say it.

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Quentin Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,280	Um.... plea bargains do not "set precedent" in the way that fully adjudicated cases do. If the government charges me with distributing obscene materials, and then I plead out to a lesser charge (or even to the original charge) this would have a negligible effect on the adult industry at large, for the simple reason that no trier of fact (i.e. jury or judge) has rendered a ruling.... which rather mitigates the value of the case in terms of "precedent." Before we fly off the handle and say "this lawyer is giving bad advice," or "this lawyer is settling cases and that hurts the industry," it might be good to consider how criminal and civil procedure work, and then reconsider whether such plea bargains are really a "serious adult industry legal concern." Why don't plea bargains set precedent? Well, how fair would it be for the court to issue a ruling in a case that is going to trial based on a case that did not go to trial? The facts of the case that was plead out could be identical to those in a subsequent case, but a plea bargain by its very nature means that the legal arguments available to that particular defense attorney were not tested before that court. As a judge presiding over a subsequent trial with similar facts, you can't very well turn to the defense and say "well, this here attorney two years ago plead out a similar case in which constitutional challenges were available to him, so now I'm rejecting your First Amendment argument without comment or analysis." It just doesn't work that way.... period. __________________ Q. Boyer

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