Vendot

OK, so what are the odds that if Iran is attacked we will have the beginnings of World War III ?

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windstorm

This poll is stupid...

Juicy D. Links

I am in iran now

SGS

WW111 started quite a while back.

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Blazed

It would just be a case of america bombing iran and thats as far as it would go. Why would there would be a world war over it???

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directfiesta

What is Bavaria ?

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biskoppen

I don't think you can compare the problems the US had invading Iraq with a war against Iran..

The war against Iran will probably not be on the ground at all as it will not be an invasion, just a termination.. so all the big bombs will be "carpeted" all over and the whole thing will be over pretty fast

As you might can tell from the above text I don't know shit about warfare I'm just guessing here

polish_aristocrat

Don't know shit about military either, but I heard that it would be rather the opposite...
Iran is much "stronger" than Iraq was...

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David!

Remember Saddam and the mother of all war?
Iran will be striked and they will try to block the Ormuz straits, then we will sink their entire navy and that will be the end of it.

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Matyko

maybe its time to move to a safe place like Australia...

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Due

Yes, Iran actually have a military, Iraq had pretty much just oil and look at the problems there
The US economy would have a complete meltdown (probably many others as well) as todays oil price increases would look be like pennies

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teg0

The only way world war 3 will start is if China decided to get involved with anything and that wont happen. The USA depends on China too much, which is why they let China get away with so much.

spacedog

The US won't initiate attack on Iran, but bet your ass their long time protagonist and aggressor Israel would.

Walrus

I agree, our military doesn't even have the resources right now to attack Iran. If anyone attacks Iran in the near future it'd definitely be Israel. However, North Korea is now out of the way. They are now in the final states of disarming their nukes. So that leaves Iran... And this is where the election becomes interesting.

Will people vote for McCain because he will be a tougher candidate? A better President militarily speaking? Will many look at Obama as too soft? I kind of doubt it, but you never know... Nobody thought Bush II would be elected in 2000. And they didn't think he could possibly be reelected in '04 either.

Odin

No doubt. But they will also shut down production of their own oil, and we can't force them to restart that with a tomahawk. What than?

David!

Maybe, but most people from Iran would love to get rid of their actual government, so as long as we don't try to "bring" them democracy like we did in Irak, then it could actually be a good thing.
And let's not forget that it is much preferable to act now that they do not have nuclear weapons instead of waiting that they do and then we are looking at a whole new set of circumstances...

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crockett

Iran is a joke.. First off we would never invade Iran on the ground. We would sink their Navy and blockade their ports. Then pound them into submission with cruise missiles and air power. Ground engagement would be limited Iran's only option would be small terrorist attacks.

It would be Dessert Storm 2 in short. We wouldn't try to invade and take over the country. We would just bomb them to hell and then put them under sanctions for the next 10 to 15 years.

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Odin

Wrong again. Think of it like this. If Saudi Arabia bombed the USA tomorrow, even with peoples dissatisfaction with Bush, what do you think the likely result would be? Would people rise up and overthrow the Government by force because a foreign (both in culture, religion and geography) enemy bombed them? Don't kid yourself. Zionists like yourself may try to deceive Americans of the reality of the situation, or perhaps you have been deceived yourself, but the reaction will be similar to that to Western support of a pro-Western Shah in Iran - the continued Islamization of the public. You're right that Iran has a large base of pro-Western youth, but bombing their nation will do nothing to strengthen their position, and almost inevitably will lead to the direct opposite. Remember when they said America would be welcomed as liberators?

No more wars for Israel.

Vendot

Iran wouldnt tolerate an attack and world opinion would hold against the aggressor. Well it looks like over half of us think that there is an average to very high chance that an attack would lead to world war III... pretty worrying considering that a stupid decision could be taken.

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Odin

You don't have a fucking choice when it comes to ground engagement. Are you forgetting your troops are stationed next door in Iraq? Incase you don't realize, people in this region tend to care more about sects and religion than they do about nation states and borders. And surprise surprise Iraq is mostly Shia, as is Iran. And who runs the most powerful militia in Iraq? Muqtada al-Sadr, a Shia backed by Iran. Iran may have aided some militants in Iraq so far to keep the US tied down but they have been careful not to provoke the US into an all out war with them. If you send cruise missiles in, well, it will be all out war with them, and the weapons, the cash, the people will flow across the border from Iran to make it a ground engagement.

Remember the Shia have been the ones so far to comparitively hold back in Iraq, in the face of an onslaught from Sunni extremists from Al Qaeda and the like. Why have the held back? Because they know when America leaves they will inherit the country by virtue of their numbers. If Iran is bombed there is no doubt in my mind that they will completely unleash everything they have, and as the Sunni's along with American troops feel the brunt of this force, money, weapons, etc will also flow to Sunni extremists from Saudi and Gulf states, and Iraq will completely hit the fan.

It is my opinion though that Israel will launch the attack, and the US will try to prevent any major direct confrontation with Iran knowing what will happen in Iraq if they get involved. If Iran disrupts the oil market who knows though - anything could happen... Oh and I almost forgot Hezbollah. If you think all they have are katyusha's well, you might soon find your badly mistaken. The Iranian military hardware will come out next time around.

Odin

So what's the solution? Well with Iran at this point it may be difficult to say. The situation has been allowed to deteriorate so badly for so long that the nation-state and their people (something a lot of Americans don't realize) at this point seem determined to continue on. In the end though? The solution is clearly withdrawing this unrelenting support for Israel and its crimes, and establishing a fucking Palestinian state. For how many years has Israel ate away at 'Palestines' borders, by the time they actually get a state there will be nothing left (literally look at a map) - but than again that's Israel's objective isn't it. No wonder they are pissed. A fairer Middle-East policy is what is needed, but with AIPAC and Zionists pulling the strings on ME policy in Washington I don't see that coming any time soon. So load up patriots time to fight another war for them!

DaddyHalbucks

World War III is much more likely with a nuclear armed Iran.

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crockett

Iran is already attacking our troops in Iraq, so what's the difference? If it came to blows Irans entire mobile army would be wiped out. The second they were spotted making any large ground movements they would be bombed to hell. Remember the "road of death" in Dessert storm?

What was left of Iran's army would be stuck in a defensive position unable to move soon as the bombs started dropping. The best they would be able to do, would be to launch small terrorist attacks in Iraq and within the region. Again what else is new, because Iran already does that.

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Odin

You just don't get it do you? lol. I don't disagree the US would wipe out Iran's army, that isn't in question. Just as I agreed it would wipe out Saddam's army. But as I predicted would happen in Iraq (and I was an opponent to the Iraq war prior to the engagement beginning) the real war will happen with militia's and regular people on the corners, and in the neighborhoods and in the markets and on the side of the road. Iran has held back a lot in Iraq, as have Shia in Iraq in general. They've done this purely for political reasons, don't mistake that.

Do you honestly think Iran is going to send its divisions into Iraq into a direct confrontation with the US? You're an idiot if you do (and you seem to think that's what I was suggesting). What they will do is finance, equip, train and give the blessing to militants in the country already following their lead (which is more or less all Shia groups) to fight an all out guerrilla war. The US has already shown it's inability to control such conflicts, and even if they continue to dominate the situation without a doubt in my mind a heck of a lot more young American's will get sent home killed or injured as a direct result of an attack on Iran, and any progress mad in Iraq in recent times will be lost overnight.

This is completely forgetting what the Sunni's in Iraq and the Sunni Arab states will do (financing wise) when the Shia's do rise up there. It will be a bloodbath, and will peak well beyond the highest levels of violence seen in Iraq to date. Of that I am sure. Your response though just shows a complete lack of understanding to the politics and history of the region. For all its rhetoric Iran won't fight much of a direct confrontational war. Its missles are more likely to be fired from Lebanon and Hezbollah than they are to be fired from Iranian soil at Israel. And we already know how effect Israel was in wiping out Hezbollah last time.

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TyroneGoldberg

Right, you mean just like the US is doing in Iraq. Ok.

Vendot

There's no way Iran would accept Israel attacking them.... that would end the state of Israel but Iran would know that USA objecting would just be a fake rhetoric. Why should Israel give Iran the excuse Iran needs to do what its already threatened to do?

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JeffCliff

If Iran were attacked, there would be no land invasion like there was in afganistan or iraq. It would all be by aircraft or missiles. Iran knows that any attack on them, will be initially started by Israel and it will be swift and most likely will take out all of their military infrastructure. In return they will attack everything within shooting distance and that will spur attacks from other nations. When Iran eventually loses, and they will, this will spur outbreaks of violence from every corner of the globe from muslim extremist groups. This will in turn create many responses like the ones after 9/11 causing a worldwide crackdown on terrorism, causing much racial profiling and more tension. I don't think it will cause World War? but it will cause World Chaos for sure.

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cem

Euhm? It was your own goverment whom caused 9/11. These so called "muslim extremist groups" are your goverment's puppets.

JeffCliff

Please, if you can't form an intelligent comeback with information, proof, and support, please just keep it to yourself. Your saying that Muslim extremist groups are puppets of the American government implies that the American government is behind every one of their crazy riots for little to no reason. The idea of that happening is just plain stupid. They are puppets of their own ideological leaders. How else do you get thousands of people to hold international riots destroying cars and property when 2 kids running from the cops die by running into electrical wires. Yeah, and I'm sure the American government was behind the London train bombing too. Your ideas are completely irrational. I'm talking about possible outcomes based on prior observations.

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V_RocKs

We would annihilate the entire Middle East without much problem if need be. Iraq was an extremely powerful country by ME standards. Part of us going in the first time was because Saudi Arabia and the smaller countries like UAE and obviously Kuwait were scared that Saddam was going to make good on his promise and take over the Middle East - Hitler style.

Vendot

[QUOTE=V_RocKs;14455023]We would annihilate the entire Middle East without much problem if need be.QUOTE]

You would? Without oil? And if you were able to annihilate the entire Middle East, how grave would the consequences be and the knock on?

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directfiesta

I really love democracy peace spreading countries , such as the USA ... and their representatives here ....

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BradM

I seem to think this is the best post on this topic in the last year on any board online.

stickyfingerz

Sorry but Israel would kick Irans ass. And Israel DOES have nukes. Israels army is decades more advanced than Irans, and arguably more advanced than the U.S. in many regards.

Iron Fist

North Korea was a bigger threat to WWIII but now that they are dismantling that reactor maybe Iran might be the larger of the two.

buzzy

True, but Israel is very small, all it would take is a pounding of Tel Aviv and it would be game over, lights out for Israel.

I hope it all can be avoided though.

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Vendot

Not a chance in hell. Israel is not landlocked. If Israel was somehow invaded by land they would be wiped out. As regards nukes, well that doesnt even come into question as theyd never use them.

You have to remember that the US has a military that is decades ahead of Iraq's and Afghanistan's but surely you recognise, it hasnt been a walkover there.

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Odin

Again Shia Islam only represents around 10-15% of the global Muslim population, and for the most part they are much more moderate and less religious than Sunni's. Even Hezbollah, the big bad terrorist, does not conduct bombings and missions in the same fashion as Sunni extremists so I wouldn't expect anything like what you described above to occur outside Shia dominated regions in the ME. If you guys are going to comment on this stuff though you should at least know something about the region and peoples.

Odin

That's because you have no clue. I'd put the likelihood of ANY Shia terrorist attack occurring in the West very very low. And Sunni Muslims sure aren't going to bomb on their behalf. Hell, when it peaks in Iraq after this the thousand year war between the sects will be as hot as ever.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Ya people give Irans military to much credit.
They would die by the 1000's or even 10's of thousands in the first week.

Iran really does not have shit going for it cept Terrorist tactics, one can be sure the Iranian Leadership would be out and gone in the first week if not the first day of bombing.

That includes any Naval, Airforce and Weapons collatoral on the land. It would be devasting to them. Irans Military is no stronger than Saddams shit. Thats a fact.

Combine US fire power with Isreali fire power, an invasion would not be the goal. The only goal would be to knock out government insitutions and leadership while taking out military resources. The Iranians would have to pick up the pieces from there and ultimatly the excursion would set the nuclear research back 10 to 20 years. Terrorist shit from Iran is a given thats all they can do and it's pretty much all they are doing right now.

Honestly I think it would be good time to take out Iran.

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No it would not be WWIII. It would be another Massacre of shit talking idiots who's only goal is to confront, terrorize and destroy European and Western Cultures.

I do not really see taking them out as WWIII material.

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tony286

Russia and China already have warned attacking Iran would be a bad move.This wouldn't be iraq by no stretch. One good thing, the big lets go to war talkers will get their chance when the draft was activated because our military is stretched very thin.

Rochard

You are all a bunch of sheep.

First of all, to be called a World War a lot of countries have to be involved. During WWII, all of Europe, the South Pacific, The Middle East, Africa, and North America was involved.

Second..... Iran will be a cakewalk. There are just too few countries that can match the US military these days. Iran fought Iraq for nearly ten years and it ended in a draw. We invaded Iraq (twice) and kicked their asses quickly. Afghanistan is another example - Russia tried to invade them in the 1980s and couldn't do it. We walked in, kick the doors open, and it's done.

Sorry charlie. We can kick their asses from the air and they'll never even see it coming.

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Vendot

The very same people who are preaching about how easy it would be for the US to whip Iran's ass, are the same people who would be crying because of lost comrades, high oil prices, high food prices, a weak dollar and an economy that is well and truly dead.

Wake up people....... you do NOT need another war. Your country is at its feet economically and things are going downhill fast whether you attack Iran or not... but if you do, the US will NOT recover from this. Remind yourselves, take a look at the current account (the stats are published by the CIA - a US agency):

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2187rank.html

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stickyfingerz

You sir need to do some research on Israel. Sorry but they would not even need our help to easily take out Iran. EASILY.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces

buzzy

When Iran had the war with Iraq, it was very different then, because at the time, Iraq was a Military superpower, they had the 5th biggest military in the world and it was still growing, plus they were building nuclear weapons (allegedly).

Vietnam was a failure.

Iraq and Afghanistan have both been failures, USA and UK troops are still dying there, almost by the day.

Iran will be a much worse failure, they are more technologically advanced than you think.

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