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Dirty F · 07-13-2008, 02:01 PM

I think i'm making about 15% more or so because of this and i love it. It didnt affect sales whatsoever. Europeans accept it. Its not like its suddenly more expensive for them or anything. A German guy who signs up isnt gonna bitch that he has to pay in Euro's, he will accept that. I havent had ONE complaint about this system. Not one. Sales didn't go down, i make more money and nobody is bitching.

sortie · 07-13-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

Yes exactly, you would make less with it turned on if what you said there happens. This is my point. 25 instead of 29

In the past 18 months look at how fast the dollar dropped and how fast the euro rose.

You don't think it can flip flop back just as fast?

It can and it might.

I'm sorry if I called names (boo hoo this is GFY)
but it frustrates me to no end when I see misinformation in a post that someone might take for truth.

Most of it was aimed at showing currency flags = regional billing.
This is just not the case. But if your posts are read by hundreds of webmasters that's how misinformation gets spread and believed and possibly could lead people to think that that could be an indicator as to if a site has regional billing activated or not.

There is not one thing here I posted that is incorrect or that could not happen.

I have been with CCBill since almost their beginning in 99 or 2000 and I will be with them to the end.

I know their system inside and out.

They are the best company and Epoch is a very close second, IMO
I love them, they know I love them.

But right now my gut instinct says no to regional billing.

This is why you have a choice to use it or not use it.

It might be a good fit for some, for some not.

CCBill gives you a choice for a reason

Well, I only posted to say that I think it makes more money and I should have
posted the proper name of what I was talking about because the argument you were making about "multi-currency" being available was not really what I was intending to talk about.

A lot of people knew what I meant as they showed by saying they clicked it.

I was wrong when I thought the surfer could change the price by changing the currency.
Somebody had to go to the form from another country to show me the difference.

BV · 07-13-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

I think i'm making about 15% more or so because of this and i love it. It didnt affect sales whatsoever. Europeans accept it. Its not like its suddenly more expensive for them or anything. A German guy who signs up isnt gonna bitch that he has to pay in Euro's, he will accept that. I havent had ONE complaint about this system. Not one. Sales didn't go down, i make more money and nobody is bitching.

You surprise me with this post Battus.

You and I were just talking on ICQ, we were talking about how pissed off you when the Nederlands quit using the guilder and went to using the Euro and kept the prices marked the same.

It used to cost 40 guilders for a whore in the RLD, overnight it went to 40 Euros.
The exchange rate between those two currencies at that time were about as different as what the USD and Euro are now.

I know it affected the local economy as well as my business. In fact it put me out of business.

You remember I used to export sometimes 5 containers a week of Salal into Rotterdam to my customer in Aalsmeer, Millions of dollars worth of Salal every year that I made a % of. When the Euro finally took over the Guilder things just went down hill from there. Changed the whole market. Poof.....

Dirty F · 07-13-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

You surprise me with this post Battus.

You and I were just talking on ICQ, we were talking about how pissed off you when the Nederlands quit using the guilder and went to using the Euro and kept the prices marked the same.

It used to cost 40 guilders for a whore in the RLD, overnight it went to 40 Euros.
The exchange rate between those two currencies at that time were about as different as what the USD and Euro are now.

I know it affected the local economy as well as my business. In fact it put me out of business.

You remember I used to export sometimes 5 containers a week of Salal into Rotterdam to my customer in Aalsmeer, Millions of dollars worth of Salal every year that I made a % of. When the Euro finally took over the Guilder things just went down hill from there. Changed the whole market. Poof.....

Your post would make sense if it suddenly got more expensive for Americans. Like if Americans suddenly had to pay the same price in Euro's which isnt the case. Online memberships are getting cheaper every month for Europeans with the low dollar. By making it Euro's again they pay what they always had to pay. It doesnt get more expensive, just less cheap (way too cheap in many cases).

Youre looking at it from the wrong side man.

Dirty F · 07-13-2008, 02:36 PM

Im losing more and more money everyday because of the low dollar. Why would i give Europeans access to my sites cheaper than American's and make less my myself. 20 euro's is just as much for a European as 20 dollars for an American. He isnt suddenly paying more man. Why would give them cheap access and lose more and more money because of that? Im not in this business to do people favours.

Dirty F · 07-13-2008, 02:37 PM

I know what youre trying to say BV but youre really looking at it from a wrong angle. I cant make it more clear than this though.

BV · 07-13-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

Well, I only posted to say that I think it makes more money and I should have
posted the proper name of what I was talking about because the argument you were making about "multi-currency" being available was not really what I was intending to talk about.

A lot of people knew what I meant as they showed by saying they clicked it.

I was wrong when I thought the surfer could change the price by changing the currency.
Somebody had to go to the form from another country to show me the difference.

it doesent matter anymore, we are all on the same page now
lets move on

cheers,
bv

BV · 07-13-2008, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Your post would make sense if it suddenly got more expensive for Americans. Like if Americans suddenly had to pay the same price in Euro's which isnt the case. Online memberships are getting cheaper every month for Europeans with the low dollar. By making it Euro's again they pay what they always had to pay. It doesnt get more expensive, just less cheap (way too cheap in many cases).

Youre looking at it from the wrong side man.

that's because i am on the other side of the Atlantic from you, on the USD side.

but anyways i dont care, i am not going to do it on any existing sites yet, i will wait and watch a bit more, i might try it with my next new site.

Corvette/CCBill, if your lurking, one thing that you could do to help affiliates that wish to have some pricing information on there pages (like review sites) is to have some sort of geo ip link codes for affiliates to use. I see lot's of possibilities there.

Dirty F · 07-13-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

that's because i am on the other side of the Atlantic from you, on the USD side.

Exactly but everything you say is from this point of view and thats not what its about. You cant turn this around to the US side. This is about Europeans and how it affects them. Your logic is correct if this was about Americans but it isnt.

corvette · 07-13-2008, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

Corvette/CCBill, if your lurking, one thing that you could do to help affiliates that wish to have some pricing information on there pages (like review sites) is to have some sort of geo ip link codes for affiliates to use. I see lot's of possibilities there.

i will absolutely make sure this is brought up

stickyfingerz · 07-13-2008, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

You get 2 euro sales a week now?

BRAVO!

Man if you are just going to be snide maybe exit the thread. Btw the disclaimer you mentioned above is also on my pages. So.....

Quote:

Any subsequent (future) charges will be billed in the above selected currency, and are subject to adjustment (adjustments are based on the selected currency value = to US Dollars), at the time of each subsequent charge.

stickyfingerz · 07-13-2008, 03:28 PM

And btw at least 20% of our sales are Euro, and no that isn't 2 sales per week.

Bah ok Im running to the store.

BV · 07-13-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Man if you are just going to be snide maybe exit the thread. Btw the disclaimer you mentioned above is also on my pages. So.....

boo hoo hoo

sniff sniff

they put the disclaimer on all non usd options

Any subsequent (future) charges will be billed in the above selected currency, and are subject to adjustment (adjustments are based on the selected currency value = to US Dollars), at the time of each subsequent charge.

BV · 07-13-2008, 04:54 PM

so if you have regional billing activated you members are not subject to adjustment, get it yet sticky?

BV · 07-13-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by corvette

i will absolutely make sure this is brought up

Right On Bro!

BV · 07-13-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

And btw at least 20% of our sales are Euro, and no that isn't 2 sales per week.

Bah ok Im running to the store.

so post some stats big man? we can make this get interesting...

i get more declines in 1 day than u get in sales for a whole week

stickyfingerz · 07-13-2008, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV

so post some stats big man? we can make this get interesting...

i get more declines in 1 day than u get in sales for a whole week

Well bully for you. I should hope so after being on gfy since 2001 that you would be making some sales. We only launched around 6 months ago, and are doing just fine. Ive talked to many big program owners and they say we are doing great. I have no need to play the E-penis game tonight. If you feel it somehow helps the discussion to brag about your sales good for you.

We are far from the biggest program out there, but we are doing well, and growing every month consistently. When I do start doing as well as you are doing I hope that I am not the one belittling new programs that are doing their best to build their new businesses. I am working on 124 domains with a total of 16 paysites at the same time. I am working towards a long term goal, not short term sales.

andrej_NDC · 07-13-2008, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

so post some stats big man? we can make this get interesting...

i get more declines in 1 day than u get in sales for a whole week

2 weeks ago or so I was checking out my declines, after a very long time...and when I saw the numbers, I got really depressed. I better shouldn't have checked them at all.

BV · 07-13-2008, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Well bully for you. I should hope so after being on gfy since 2001 that you would be making some sales. We only launched around 6 months ago, and are doing just fine. Ive talked to many big program owners and they say we are doing great. I have no need to play the E-penis game tonight. If you feel it somehow helps the discussion to brag about your sales good for you.

We are far from the biggest program out there, but we are doing well, and growing every month consistently. When I do start doing as well as you are doing I hope that I am not the one belittling new programs that are doing their best to build their new businesses. I am working on 124 domains with a total of 16 paysites at the same time. I am working towards a long term goal, not short term sales.

save all that bro ( i quit half way thru)

the point i was trying to make is you are over portraying yourself to be a bigshot expert on something when in fact you are just small small time and still wet behind the ears.

One good thing is my idea of the GEO IP link codes. Corvette is already on it.
I bet you will see geo ip link codes in the near future PLUS much more advanced features in the future.

Why?
because of this thread and more threads to come

this is the game
play it

BV · 07-13-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

2 weeks ago or so I was checking out my declines, after a very long time...and when I saw the numbers, I got really depressed. I better shouldn't have checked them at all.

well yes but also look very close as most of them are the same person trying over and over until they get it right, the number of declines ccbill lists are not "unique" so to speak, they are "raw"

and it's not uncommon to find 4 declines and then finally the 5th time the dude used both hands to type in his expiration date and finally made the join.

this is why i like getting the ccbill confirmation emails on every new sale rebill decline etc etc

it keeps a mental picture in my mind of whats going on all the time

so if i see a bunch of decline emails in my inbox i will look and see if the next New Sale email is him. It usually is over 60% of the time.

Even though he finally made it thru his previous declines are still counted in ccbills stats.

Again, maybe CCBill will pick up on this and make the stats a little better so they don't freak you out so much.

I understand what your saying completely. Declines suck, in reality, divide the declines number reported by ccbill by 4 or 5 and that is the real number of actual people that didnt make it.

andrej_NDC · 07-13-2008, 06:42 PM

Yeah, I know, but it still sucks. But I still think ccbill is the one and only choice as the main billing. And not only because of the billing and admin itself.

stickyfingerz · 07-13-2008, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV

save all that bro ( i quit half way thru)

the point i was trying to make is you are over portraying yourself to be a bigshot expert on something when in fact you are just small small time and still wet behind the ears.

One good thing is my idea of the GEO IP link codes. Corvette is already on it.
I bet you will see geo ip link codes in the near future PLUS much more advanced features in the future.

Why?
because of this thread and more threads to come

this is the game
play it

I wouldn't say I am a bigshot, but I wouldn't say I am wet behind the ears either at all. The geo ip pricing to add to review sites and tours is a good idea too no doubt. I have quite a few people that very much respect my opinions too at ccbill and Ill leave it at that. And you dont need to have been in adult for 15 years to logically look at facts and decide on an opinion on them. We've met btw if you remember Internext 2006 I was the guy that made sure you got a nice place to shoot the wet tshirt contest from.

BV · 07-13-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

Yeah, I know, but it still sucks. But I still think ccbill is the one and only choice as the main billing. And not only because of the billing and admin itself.

i agree with ya

ccbill is the bomb

i show favoritism to them over all others based on their track record with me which has been pretty much flawless for the past 9 years for me and my dif programs

and to be fair i would say epoch is right there behind them now since they have mpa3 available

for the longest time though ccbill had them beat because of ccbill's superior affiliate system

BV · 07-13-2008, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

I wouldn't say I am a bigshot, but I wouldn't say I am wet behind the ears either at all. The geo ip pricing to add to review sites and tours is a good idea too no doubt. I have quite a few people that very much respect my opinions too at ccbill and Ill leave it at that. And you dont need to have been in adult for 15 years to logically look at facts and decide on an opinion on them. We've met btw if you remember Internext 2006 I was the guy that made sure you got a nice place to shoot the wet tshirt contest from.

Yes man I know, and it took alot for me to even say how i felt about you, because I know where you are coming from.

I'm just telling you what you sound like to me.

I have seen other threads where other people felt the same way and ripping you a new asshole.

and I thought to myself, why are they giving sticky a hard time, he seemed cool, smart, go getter type, on his game. He even helped me out. Got me a good spot. Even though however I never used the content because of the new 2257 rules and I didn't get any model releases or ids. The sound was bad on it too because i was in front of the speaker and i was too drunk to have been shooting! but thats not why i was being snide

just tone it down some

anyways

fuckit let's move on and make money

cheers,
bv

stickyfingerz · 07-13-2008, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV

Yes man I know, and it took alot for me to even say how i felt about you, because I know where you are coming from.

I'm just telling you what you sound like to me.

I have seen other threads where other people felt the same way and ripping you a new asshole.

and I thought to myself, why are they giving sticky a hard time, he seemed cool, smart, go getter type, on his game. He even helped me out. Got me a good spot. Even though however I never used the content because of the new 2257 rules and I didn't get any model releases or ids. The sound was bad on it too because i was in front of the speaker and i was too drunk to have been shooting! but thats not why i was being snide

just tone it down some

anyways

fuckit let's move on and make money

cheers,
bv

No worries its just something we disagree on, I just didn't like the direction it was goin ;)

MikeSmoke · 07-13-2008, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

You think this is a good business practise.
You think it's fair for me to charge European customers 45.31 USD for what most everyone else pays 29.95 USD????
That seems like good fair business practise to you?
It's not fair IMO.
It's almost deceiving.
It would piss me off if I was a European.
But like my #2 says, my european sales are higher than ever because I am NOT using regional billing.

I agree completely - especially since the bulk of my members come and go, but they've been coming and going for years, and they *know* the price of the sites. If all of a sudden it costs them 50% more to join - they *are* going to notice - and they aren't going to be happy that they, as individuals, are being charged 50% more because of something they have no control over (the exchange rate).
And my foreign sales have been higher than ever, too - because they know they're getting a good deal - and I'm making the same amount per membership from them that I always have.

stevo · 07-13-2008, 08:38 PM

Any Europeans here?

In America the typical porn subscription costs $29.95.
$10 cheaper and it feels like a bargain.
$10 more expensive and it feels like a ripoff.

Without regional pricing you are charged = ?19.80
(Does this seem fair or like a bargain?)

With regional pricing you are charged = ?29.95
(Does this seem fair or like a rip off?)

The only thing stopping me from changing to regional pricing, is that i don't want to overcharge the international market... Just becuase our currency sucks, does not mean i believe i should charge the international market a higher price than they are accustomed to.

For example, when several adult advertising companies started changing over to the Euro, many people here in America quit buying advertising for it was just too expensive compared to what they were accustomed to and a return on investment was near impossible.

stevo · 07-13-2008, 08:39 PM

Double...

brandonstills · 07-13-2008, 10:08 PM

Just changed it. Had to use IE for some reason. Site is incompatible with Firefox 3 on Mac. Curious to see what will happen.

Dirty F · 07-13-2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

I agree completely - especially since the bulk of my members come and go, but they've been coming and going for years, and they *know* the price of the sites. If all of a sudden it costs them 50% more to join - they *are* going to notice - and they aren't going to be happy that they, as individuals, are being charged 50% more because of something they have no control over (the exchange rate).
And my foreign sales have been higher than ever, too - because they know they're getting a good deal - and I'm making the same amount per membership from them that I always have.

Dude stop smoking. They arent paying more!!! They were paying less and less. Way less. Is that fair for your American customers? Lets take it that way.

If an European dude pays the signup amount in Euro's he isn't paying more!! 20 euros is 20 dollars to Americans. But because of the totally shit dollar 20 dollar suddenly is 13 euro's so theyre getting a massive discount and youre losing shitloads of money.

Why dont you people get this. They arent paying more!!! They are just paying less and less if you dont do something about it. By next year you might as well give them free access.

Im not sure whats so hard to understand about this.

Dirty F · 07-13-2008, 10:16 PM

Btw that losing money part is aimed at Europeans, not US people. You still get your dollar no matter what. We exchange it and lose 40% of it. I like to compensate that and i can do that by charging Europeans in Euro's. Totally nothing wrong with it.

Dirty F · 07-13-2008, 10:18 PM

29.00 USD

=

18.2407 EUR

Thats a joke. You made your member area 30 dollars for a reason right? Well youre giving Europeans access for almost half of it. Youre giving your product away for almost half the price. Why would you do that? Let them pay the 29 Euro's. Its just as much as 29 dollars for an American. Theyre not paying more man. Just right now theyre paying WAY less and laugh when they see their cc statement and the fact that they can enter your member area for almost half the price.

Dirty F · 07-13-2008, 10:20 PM

And Americans should be even more happy with it. For you its easy extra money. For me its only a compensation of what i shouldve gotten anyway.

rayadp05 · 07-13-2008, 11:00 PM

Have already done that.

BV · 07-14-2008, 01:27 AM

Who do you host with Frank?

What if they decided to do regional billing on your ass?

What if they almost doubled what you pay now?

How would you react?

Look for another host right?

It's no big deal right?

borked · 07-14-2008, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

29.00 USD

=

18.2407 EUR

Thats a joke. You made your member area 30 dollars for a reason right? Well youre giving Europeans access for almost half of it. Youre giving your product away for almost half the price. Why would you do that? Let them pay the 29 Euro's. Its just as much as 29 dollars for an American. They're not paying more man. Just right now theyre paying WAY less and laugh when they see their cc statement and the fact that they can enter your member area for almost half the price.

WTH are you on about?
Why is that a fucking joke?
29.00 USD=18.2407 EUR

but equally
18.2407 EUR=29.00 USD

If someone from Europe pays 18.24 Euros for your site, you get US$29 in the bank. That's what you set the price at because that's what you believe your site is worth. WTH is the problem?

You cannot possible get more european signups with this regional billing. Even when regional billing is off, european customers can pay in Euros. So how can you possibly make more euro signups offering a site for 30 euros as opposed to 18 euros

You are saying you want to hike up the prices for non-US people simply cos you can't stand the fact that the USD is weak and so non-US people would be getting a bargain... The fact that non-regional billing is a bargain for non-US people and the fact you would still get your $30 in the bank per signup says that you should actually captilise on this and push your traffic to the european market to show the euro folk how much of a bargain your site is. Same cash per signup for you, but more members, and more rebills

okdesign · 07-14-2008, 01:44 AM

Cool!

Dirty F · 07-14-2008, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by borked

The fact that non-regional billing is a bargain for non-US people and the fact you would still get your $30 in the bank

No, i get 18 euros in the bank. And i like to compensate that by instead giving Europeans access for half the price i let them pay the full price just like Americans. Really hard to understand is it? I could also compensate this by raising all my prices with 50% but that wont work. That will kill my signups so the other option is letting Europeans pay what they should pay instead of half the price. Sounds more than fair to me. And since not ONE person has complained about it so far i think it sounds fair to a lot people.

Dirty F · 07-14-2008, 02:23 AM

Every day im losing more and more money because of the weak dollar and here you are telling me its wrong to charge Europeans the same price in Euro's instead of letting them pay almost half less. Get a fucking clue before you respond again.

borked · 07-14-2008, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

No, i get 18 euros in the bank. And i like to compensate that by instead giving Europeans access for half the price i let them pay the full price just like Americans. Really hard to understand is it? I could also compensate this by raising all my prices with 50% but that wont work. That will kill my signups so the other option is letting Europeans pay what they should pay instead of half the price. Sounds more than fair to me. And since not ONE person has complained about it so far i think it sounds fair to a lot people.

Aah, ok the penny drops. OK, I see your pov now - your income is dropping because the dollar is sliding. However, your argument is flawed... you should actually value your sites for the euro and then have the US crowd pay more, so that your income is tied to the euro. Your problem is, like oil, you have decided to base your income on USD. There are many many sites out there that say "we're a european host, therefore our base currency is euro". These people are unaffected by the sliding dollar.

So, you're saying your sites are worth $30/mo, yet that means you only get 18euro, so to compensate for that your european customers have to pick up the tab of the US customers. Why not just let the US customers pick up their own tab and hike your sites to $45 for them and 30 euro for the euro crowd ie switch your base currency to euro? That is if you believe your sites are worth 30 euros.... being a european, you know how much your sites are worth in euro much more than an American who lives under the $....

Boobzooka · 07-14-2008, 03:57 AM

Hey, that's not a bad idea comparing subscription fees to oil.

I think a gallon of gas in most of Europe right now is around $9USD

A gallon of gas in the USA is a little over $4.

So a ?30.00 subscription = about 6 gallons
and a $30.00 subscription = about 7 gallons

Maybe we should start posting prices in gallons instead!

MikeSmoke · 07-14-2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Dude stop smoking. They arent paying more!!! They were paying less and less. Way less. Is that fair for your American customers? Lets take it that way.

If an European dude pays the signup amount in Euro's he isn't paying more!! 20 euros is 20 dollars to Americans. But because of the totally shit dollar 20 dollar suddenly is 13 euro's so theyre getting a massive discount and youre losing shitloads of money.

Why dont you people get this. They arent paying more!!! They are just paying less and less if you dont do something about it. By next year you might as well give them free access.

Im not sure whats so hard to understand about this.

As I said before (at least, I think I did) --- that's fine if you're operating in the larger environment, with people just tromping through the door from TGP or affiliate links.

When you are operating in a small environment, with only a couple of viable competitors (the ones with high-quality, exclusive content in a niche fetish), and most of your customers are long-time on-and-off members who are familiar with all of the sites in the niche...here are the prices that Europeans see:
SITE 1: $X
SITE 2: $X
SITE 3: $X + 50%
For the US customers, it's an even playing field.
Which site is the European customer going to sign up for?

andrej_NDC · 07-14-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

SITE 1: $X
SITE 2: $X
SITE 3: $X + 50%
For the US customers, it's an even playing field.
Which site is the European customer going to sign up for?

For the best site, price is never important for the surfer, just the site. I'm always sending my own traffic to $34.95 and I never made more sales when sending to less, I tried even $9.95 and didn't make much more sales.

Dirty F · 07-14-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

Which site is the European customer going to sign up for?

The best site obviously. Doh.

sortie · 07-14-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

they aren't going to be happy that they, as individuals, are being charged 50% more because of something they have no control over.

And that's the same reason why everyone quit buying gas.

Right?

sortie · 07-14-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by brandonstills

Just changed it. Had to use IE for some reason. Site is incompatible with Firefox 3 on Mac. Curious to see what will happen.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=841278

sortie · 07-14-2008, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F

No, i get 18 euros in the bank. And i like to compensate that by instead giving Europeans access for half the price i let them pay the full price just like Americans. Really hard to understand is it? I could also compensate this by raising all my prices with 50% but that wont work. That will kill my signups so the other option is letting Europeans pay what they should pay instead of half the price. Sounds more than fair to me. And since not ONE person has complained about it so far i think it sounds fair to a lot people.

They just aren't getting the point that, in your postion, you have half the money in the
bank now than you had a few years ago with the exact same number of sales.

I get it though, I think.

5 years ago you got a $29 sign up and then went to the bank and had 29 Euros.
Now you get the same sign up at the same price and go to your bank and you have
18 Euros.

To me that seems like a big loss and hard to swallow and stay in business.

You have to double your sales now just to pay the same bills.

Is that what is happening on your end?

andrej_NDC · 07-14-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

Is that what is happening on your end?

That is correct, sir.

emmanuelle · 07-14-2008, 02:55 PM

Sounds like a good way to abuse your customer's trust. They do talk, really they do, and love to bitch & moan on their own community boards, so don't think they won't catch on.

My bet is on the USD surging Nov 4.

sortie · 07-14-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by emmanuelle

My bet is on the USD surging Nov 4.

That would be great but I can't see it happening.

McCain = fear of the same.

Obama = fear of the unknown.

Fear fear fear no matter how it goes.

But I think the Obama factor has the most potiential to raise the dollar because there
is also the "hope of the unknown", nobody's hoping for the same.

07-13-2008, 08:39 PM	#128
stevo Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 2,051	Double... Last edited by stevo; 07-13-2008 at 08:40 PM..

07-13-2008, 10:08 PM	#129
brandonstills Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chatsworth, CA Posts: 1,964	Just changed it. Had to use IE for some reason. Site is incompatible with Firefox 3 on Mac. Curious to see what will happen. __________________ Brandon Stills Industry and programming veteran [email protected] \| skype: brandonstills \| ICQ #495-171-318

07-13-2008, 11:00 PM	#134
rayadp05 TRUEAMATEURMODELS.COM Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: TrueAmateurModels.com Posts: 4,187	Have already done that. __________________ TrueAmateurModels.com Twitter TrueAmateurModels.com Affiliate Program

07-14-2008, 01:27 AM	#135
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	Who do you host with Frank? What if they decided to do regional billing on your ass? What if they almost doubled what you pay now? How would you react? Look for another host right? It's no big deal right? Last edited by BV; 07-14-2008 at 01:28 AM..

07-14-2008, 01:44 AM	#137
okdesign ICQ 278367136 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 24,772	Cool! __________________ Webmasters, Come here for SUPER BIG TITS Highest Conversions, Highest Retention!

07-13-2008, 02:01 PM	#101
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	I think i'm making about 15% more or so because of this and i love it. It didnt affect sales whatsoever. Europeans accept it. Its not like its suddenly more expensive for them or anything. A German guy who signs up isnt gonna bitch that he has to pay in Euro's, he will accept that. I havent had ONE complaint about this system. Not one. Sales didn't go down, i make more money and nobody is bitching.

07-13-2008, 02:36 PM	#105
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Im losing more and more money everyday because of the low dollar. Why would i give Europeans access to my sites cheaper than American's and make less my myself. 20 euro's is just as much for a European as 20 dollars for an American. He isnt suddenly paying more man. Why would give them cheap access and lose more and more money because of that? Im not in this business to do people favours.

07-13-2008, 02:37 PM	#106
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	I know what youre trying to say BV but youre really looking at it from a wrong angle. I cant make it more clear than this though.

07-13-2008, 03:28 PM	#112
stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,983	And btw at least 20% of our sales are Euro, and no that isn't 2 sales per week. Bah ok Im running to the store.

07-13-2008, 04:54 PM	#114
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	so if you have regional billing activated you members are not subject to adjustment, get it yet sticky?

07-13-2008, 06:42 PM	#121
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	Yeah, I know, but it still sucks. But I still think ccbill is the one and only choice as the main billing. And not only because of the billing and admin itself.

07-13-2008, 08:38 PM	#127
stevo Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 2,051	Any Europeans here? In America the typical porn subscription costs $29.95. $10 cheaper and it feels like a bargain. $10 more expensive and it feels like a ripoff. Without regional pricing you are charged = ?19.80 (Does this seem fair or like a bargain?) With regional pricing you are charged = ?29.95 (Does this seem fair or like a rip off?) The only thing stopping me from changing to regional pricing, is that i don't want to overcharge the international market... Just becuase our currency sucks, does not mean i believe i should charge the international market a higher price than they are accustomed to. For example, when several adult advertising companies started changing over to the Euro, many people here in America quit buying advertising for it was just too expensive compared to what they were accustomed to and a return on investment was near impossible.

07-13-2008, 10:16 PM	#131
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Btw that losing money part is aimed at Europeans, not US people. You still get your dollar no matter what. We exchange it and lose 40% of it. I like to compensate that and i can do that by charging Europeans in Euro's. Totally nothing wrong with it.

07-13-2008, 10:18 PM	#132
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	29.00 USD = 18.2407 EUR Thats a joke. You made your member area 30 dollars for a reason right? Well youre giving Europeans access for almost half of it. Youre giving your product away for almost half the price. Why would you do that? Let them pay the 29 Euro's. Its just as much as 29 dollars for an American. Theyre not paying more man. Just right now theyre paying WAY less and laugh when they see their cc statement and the fact that they can enter your member area for almost half the price.

07-13-2008, 10:20 PM	#133
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	And Americans should be even more happy with it. For you its easy extra money. For me its only a compensation of what i shouldve gotten anyway.

07-14-2008, 02:23 AM	#139
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Every day im losing more and more money because of the weak dollar and here you are telling me its wrong to charge Europeans the same price in Euro's instead of letting them pay almost half less. Get a fucking clue before you respond again.

07-14-2008, 03:57 AM	#141
Boobzooka Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: BOOBZOOKA.COM Posts: 626	Hey, that's not a bad idea comparing subscription fees to oil. I think a gallon of gas in most of Europe right now is around $9USD A gallon of gas in the USA is a little over $4. So a ?30.00 subscription = about 6 gallons and a $30.00 subscription = about 7 gallons Maybe we should start posting prices in gallons instead! __________________ BOOBZOOKA: Amateur Affiliate Program featuring SellYourSexTape: Real couples document their lovelife for one week. HerBedroomWindow: Girls recording themselves alone at home. \| DareRing: "Truth Or Dare?" themed adult party games.

07-14-2008, 02:55 PM	#149
emmanuelle Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Oh Canada! Posts: 3,662	Sounds like a good way to abuse your customer's trust. They do talk, really they do, and love to bitch & moan on their own community boards, so don't think they won't catch on. My bet is on the USD surging Nov 4.