MetaMan

lets get a couple exceptions out of the way doctor, lawyer, nurse, teacher.

everything else is basically pointless. all the puppet masters in society want you to do is go to school work your 9-5 and pay your taxes.

and school is the perfect way that the puppet masters keep you in line.

what is even worse is the kids who take totally pointless courses and somehow want some respect for it? like a "bachelor of arts"

i find it hilarious that kids think they are "guaranteed a certain salary" outside of school. have fun paying off your student loans when you could of used that 4 years + to get real workplace experience.

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i actually pretty much agree...

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Evil E

I still go to university, but it's pretty much just for getting the paper... and after having done a couple of business classes I decided to focus more on sciences(IT) since the business part was pretty much bullshit that will never be used anyways.

The business classes are usually way easier though.

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yeppa, anyone who doesnt most likely rotted in school and are to mad to admit it.

or the phrase "i have something to fall back on"

this is a global economy do people think for 2 seconds they wont import some chinese guy to get the job done in half the time instead of training a "college kid"?

what you have to fall back on is your real world experience and that contacts you develop through that.

Scott McD

Some people seem to be at fucking school/college/University all their fucking life.

Then end up working in McDonalds...

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MetaMan

please explain the point of this magical paper.

is it because your parents convinced you? is it because society tells you it's the right thing to do?

again this is the puppet masters pulling strings, if it were anything else spending (depending on your college/university) $15k+ on a paper people would think you were insane.

Cyndalie

I don't regret going to college.
While I am still paying it off, and what I do now has little to do with what I studied, the mindset, experience, and learning skills I developed can't be replaced by on the job training, sorry. Those were the best years of my life. Sure I worked my ass off to put myself through school, but I tell you what, I did come out making a hell of alot of money than I did before I got my diploma. From what I've seen, most of my friends that didn't go to college still work in resturaunts or are bartenders or work some shitty ass job with no room for advancement. So I'll take my degree any day, because just getting it gave me the mindset that I could do better than being a sous chef. Thank god I got out of that business.

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Evil E

Well the University will open doors for you to get your first job. Also is good for networking. Also if you want to do graduate studies you pretty much need a degree... and also in the corporate world(ie if you work for a medium/large company/govt and not a small business) you will need a degree. Unless you want a very generic/boring job you usually can't just go to an employer and they will hire you. But like you said BA is pretty much bullshit.

The people I know that make the most money either

1)entrepreneur
2)very specialized masters
3)no degree but some very good technical skills

BTW MetaMan, is the weather as shitty where you are? been shitty in edmonton for a while.

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MetaMan

i am not to sure if you hang out with low IQ people, but everyone of my friends who didnt go to school is making more then the ones who did, this is minus one person who doesnt do anything for a living really.

"best years of your life" is such a cliche statement, of course they are the best years for anyone you are in your prime, horney as fuck, and newly "free". bet you you could ask same amount of people who did not go to school and the majority will tell you the same thing.

what "mindset" please explain this? i have had a business mindset since the age of 15 i
didnt need school to teach me this.

what "experience" please explain this? sitting in a class for hours on end? hanging out with poor college kids and watching TV?

MetaMan

i am in DC and not looking forward to coming back.

i agree with some of your points but mainly your contacts, contacts are everything in this business. i think you make much more being in the actual business. i think it is the same deal starting off at the bottom and working your way up for 4 years then it is coming out with a degree except that way you have no student loans.

alot of people wont hear my out because society breeds you to somehow treat people with a degree with more respect (i have no idea why)

i am very proud of my one buddy a lightbulb went off in his head. he IS complete his last year of germany and is gonna fuck using his engineering degree and go sail boats in SA as a business just because he does not want to be a 9-5 slave.

MetaMan

it's all good if you are an idiot.

just pay attention to my threads and learn some real world info.

i dont mind if you are extremely dumb i am here to teach the simple minded for free anyway.

Evil E

My reasons for finishing my degrees are :

I already started, doesn't cost much money where I am(about 2-3k per year and you get tax credits), possible fallback option if i want to work for the govt or big co eventually and to be able to do a master's degree if i feel like it(keep my options open). Also with the choices I made, I actually learn stuff in my degree.

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okey i absolutely agree to that!

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Split this into sections. The people I grew up with, the ones that didn't go to college, other than 2 of us, all work in bars, deal with food, walmart, city jobs, or knocked up. The people that went to college, left the shit hole we called home, never returned, and now all appear to live a decent life, making far more money.

Outside this business, I only know 3 people that do well without a college degree. All 3 are laborers, one works for himself - most of the time, the other two just have decent jobs working on machines at factories.

Current friends (outside industry), I'm the only one without a college education. Two of them make more money than I do, one makes more than most of us combined together.

If you include my industry met friends, most are not educated but many are. They are all the same type of people, self driven, the best kind - educated or not.


I do think having a degree gives you an edge, it for sure can and does get you jobs that you for sure can not get without a degree. You can't even get the experience to get some jobs without a degree. Plenty of jobs that us "professionals" do not qualify for, no matter how good we are or how long we have been doing it.

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I would have to agree.

I do pretty well, and I didn't go to college. Actually in my field, a degree means ZERO. It's all about your demo reel.

I worked in a graphics/animation company and can't count the number of times some guy with a degree had some crappy body of work that he thought was not that important.

Of course, it different in some fields, where the level of degree dictates your salary, not performance. This would apply to teachers.

PornHero

I dont agree - i think university degrees follow the 80/20 rule - university is 80% useful, 20% not.

I took a couple years off of school after I finished highschool and worked. Those years made me realize the odds were against you even more if you didnt have a degree. i decided to go to university and earned a degree in Accounting.

I look at myself before and after university - I have the same high level of drive and ambition but now I am more cognizant of how the world works and how to best interact with it. Before I was spinning my wheels alot with my blind ambition but now I am much more reserved when judging business opportunities and I apply the critical thinking skills I learned in university when making everyday decisions. I am definitely glad I went to university.

I know some of my classmates were just going thru the motions when it came to going to university. They were just there because their parents wanted them there or it was the "thing to do" after highschool but I think the couple years I was away from school made me appreciate it even more and I got more out of university than the average student.



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MetaMan

that is a specific group of friends with mine it is the complete opposite. i have friends who LEFT school because of contacts they made throughout high school and friends who got them into the oil industry and are now making more by having the experience 4 years later compared to this kids who went to school.

i bet you the average business owner is not college educated, they are business driven and have a money making mindset and that is why they are successful has nothing to do with school.

being self driven has nothing to do with being college educated.

as i pointed there are exceptions, there are exceptions to almost everything on this planet again what is better iyho a 4 year college education or a 4 year work expierience?

MetaMan

who made this 80% 20% rule up? sounds like the puppet masters again telling you things so you believe in the education.

my parents are both university educated and in their opinion they were taught almost nothing. the majority of their knowledge came from real world experience not a college classroom.

if you think for 2 seconds college gives you a better understanding of the world you are extremely wrong and blind. college teaches you courses that are biased for a reason. it is funny when kids tell me "i am taking a course on it" you are basically getting fueled with your professors biased opinion on things instead of figuring them out for yourself.

you people are missing the point, college and university turns you into a sheep.

it is funny how every degreed person responding in this thread is totally ignoring that point.

TheDoc

Doing what I do now, of course the experience for me was better. But if my goal was to go out and get a job, of course a college education would be better option. Self driven - educated people, do very well in the work force because people like us don't stand a chance to complete with them unless it's on our own business level.

I'm a self driven person, I don't understand how people 'have jobs' - I fully understand why they went to college.

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The Pareto Principle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

(depending on the subject of the degree) I'd say that 20% of the stuff you learn in University is useful and the other 80% is useless, not the other way around.

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MetaMan

how can you possibly say it is a better option if you yourself are successful?

self driven people are successful just how it is.

has nothing to do with school or not, those people will find their way either way. has nothing to do with being educated.

Ross

I have 4 or 5 friends who have Honors Degrees and they are still in the same job they were while studying at University. The only difference is that they were promoted and earn a better wage now that they are full time and worked hard. One friend has a degree in History and she was trying to get into the Retail sector. She was applying for Regional Managers jobs and the companies were telling her she would be lucky to get Store Manager never mind Regional Manager. I think she set her sights a little too high.

Either way she's happy doing her current job, she brings in $50K a year but didn't need her degree to get it. She could have just worked her ass off full time instead of going to Uni.

TheDoc

College isn't just about 'what you learn', actually other than special fields - that isn't why you are in college. Most people, don't even use the degrees they went to school for. Why? Because college is about what, it's about how.

They teach you how to deal with pressure, how to manage, how to work your ass to the bone, they show you that you CAN do it and a few ways to make it possible. People like us, know we can do, others need a push. I had a push, it was called the Marines.

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MetaMan

i understand but you are missing my point, who comes up with this stuff?

it is like anything who is really going to tell someone the other way around "my product is 20% useful and 80% useless"

it is just another bullshit statement people use to keep sheep in line, their is no fact to it.

i agree with your post.

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I agree with you completly. Now lets wait for Baddog to come in and call you stupid.

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Evil E

I'm sure the Pareto principle could apply to the affiliate business model. Of course it's not 100% exact, but it's a pretty well known principle that is found to be true in a lot of fields.

IE: 20% of the affiliates bring 80% of the income, the other 80% bring 20% of the income.

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PornHero

Umm, do you have a university degree?? If you haven't I find it amusing you are passing judgment on something that you yourself haven't experienced. Its funny, you are making the exact same argument against university I was making when I was 18 and just finished highschool. Wait a minute, how old are you??

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MetaMan

i am 72 years old.

i am passing judgment because all my friends who went to university passed judgment on me as well as the majority of degreed people do on the rest of society, now i am years ahead and they will never catch up because they are now slaves to the system.

it is all good, you dont have to listen to me, you people just will not get it.

university turns you into sheep.

i had a buddy who is on his last year and as i said earlier completely agrees with me now and is dropping everything to do a sail boat business in south africa.

he refuses to be the 9-5 sheep that university breeds you to be.

TheDoc

It's a better option based on what you are doing. Being self driven, to work for yourself, is different than being self driven in general (could be towards a job or racing for a hobby). You are thinking that self driven people are business owners, when that isn't always the case.

Not all self driven people are successful either. I know people that a amazing people, self driven, seem to do it all right, but fail because they are as stupid as a sack of rocks.

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I would say, in general those numbers are correct.. Maybe more like 90/10 - but if you worked the averages it probably would come close to 80/20.

This would be for affiliates, active %, and the amount that send sales/traffic, and those ratios too. And member retention, 20% is the natural trial to convert (make you the money), out of those 20% retain for long term.

They adjust a little, but in general, those are hit on for this industry in just about every field.

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my age x 2 + years = short of 72

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Gunni

I agree to a certain degree, but there are a lot more exeptions than just the ones you mentioned, engineering, architect, physicist, mathematician etc.

PornHero

ok now you are saying something different. I agree many people are 9to5 sheep but its not because they went to university. Its because they like the security of being sheep.

Some people like having structure and a boss telling them what to do. And knowing exactly how much money will be deposited in their bank account every 2 weeks. And you know what, our world needs sheep. Its what keeps law and order. I know uneducated people that work 8 to 4 factory jobs that are just as much sheep as the educated 9to5 sheep. I just think the correlation between having a university degree and whether you end up a sheep is low.

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scottybuzz

I go to university, on the one hand its made me alot more sociable and confident as a person due to the social aspect of it. If I had not gone, I would probably smoke weed every night by myself.

On academic side of things, its debatable.
I do a business course and I really enjoy it and find it interesting and motivates me more to achieve. Had I not gone, well I would probably working in a shop 9-5 on basic wage and probably sold sites off because I could not be bothered.

In a way university has helped me and given me a step up to adulthood and it is helping self motivate me. Sometimes you need a kick to get motivated. People have it in them, yet it just needs that push from an external factor.

Am I glad I went to unversity? You bet.
What am I going to do if I get my degree? I dont know - thats the down side for me.

I didnt go to get a degree to show to employers, I go because it stimulates my brain and my social side improves. Which I feel is very important in the scheme of things rather than a piece of paper saying degree on it.

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Meeper

Unless your in some line of work that really requires a degree, I think work experience is a way better bargaining chip than a degree, at least for my experience. It really does all depend on what field of work your going into, but I'm going to have to agree with the original post.

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MetaMan

hmmm i said this from the very first post???

i do not think it is a low difference you are told what to think basically instead of figuring it out yourself. do you not think the world is set up in a certain way from the time you are born to benefit a few?

why do you think in lets say africa the leaders want a stupid population? that why they are to dumb to realize the corruption that is going on right infront of them.

i think it is pretty much the same deal here, school tells you what you should think and do. because it benefits those on top who are really pulling the strings.

do you really think business owners want you to start your own business and become competition? no they want you to get your little degree work your 9-5 pay your taxes and not ask questions. that is what the system is for.

OG LennyT

I have a business degree but tend to agree with the thread starter. College does help you but it's not life or death if you don't go

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duff

metaman, i share the same view as you.

most people make university/college sound a like a life of death option... yet, almost all the successful people i know never bothered with either.

tony286

That's how the 80/20 rule works not the other way around.If you look at a sale force 20 percent make 80 percent of the sales.I think for any adult company that rule probably applies.

CE Adam

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Some prefer to take a non-traditional route to gain experience in the world without formal education, others prefer the conventional route. Still others prefer a mix of business knowledge while going to school on nights and/or weekends.

I think my 15 years in the business world has provided me with a bit of 'real world' knowledge. Oh, and by the way I am one of those 'idiots' with an MBA

You should be careful how you address those that you don't know.

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Wolfy

I work in recruiting and the majority of the people I place in 100k+ jobs WOULD NOT be able to get hired without the degree.

(These are engineering and management roles.)

I have to disagree with your so-called "FACT".

MetaMan

you should take some of your own advice and be careful how you address those who you dont know thats why you stormed into this thread and post "The level of idiocy on this board always amuses me."

do you think i care about your "MBA" my exact point is people in this world have an eliteist attitude when there should be no place for it. and college and university kids are a prime example. and it is my job to bring you down a peg, you totally ignore all the point of this thread to come through and somehow compare it to yourself.

do you realize how big of a loser you sound when you go " i am one of those with an MBA"?

MetaMan

so how does that change the fact that 90% of degrees are useless do you need me to do a breakdown of courses they offer?

TheSenator

Most people who didn't have the college experience are always jealous. I love the freedom, sex, girls, girls, two on one action, having different girlfriends, then getting a house on the Jersey shore with more girls.

Beside that the networking that I did in college still get me in the back doors of companies. Most of my college friends are deep with in the corporate world. I do favors for them they do favors for me.

I met my wife in college...had kids...living the good life

BTW ....I have a company, I work when I want to, I have an employee, I enjoy my time with my family......


Don't let education interfere with college...College is what you make of it.

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Yea no kidding... but again a great deal of people here on GFY could be classed as legally retarded by their government(s), having IQs around 50.

Noe

I completely disagree, and most of the time it's people that have never been or graduated from college who have this view. I'm definitely not saying that you can't be successful without a degree, nor am I saying that a degree will guarantee you a job, successful career or any set amount of income. There are countless amounts of people who have been extremely successful w/out a degree, and countless amounts of people who are barely scraping by with degrees.

But going to school for anything else besides become a laywer or doctor is NOT always completely pointless. College provides an environment of learning new ideas, challenging old ones, becoming a critical thinker and so much more. Critical thinking is an essential skill that can help anyone in any industry or career. Going to college isn't just about learning stuff from text books or a lecture, it's about bouncing off your thoughts on a matter, having your classmates/peers bounce their thoughts off you and having your own thoughts evolve from the process. It's not just a bunch of sheep going through the motions (although there are some that do)...there's really no other place like it. If you go to school with the right mindset, the ROI can be huge.

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