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shahab6 · 07-22-2008, 12:14 PM

I was just wondering how many people out there believed in fate and why. I dont because I dont like the idea that im not in control of my own life. I dont think everyone has a destiny and that there is no combating that. You choose what you want to do with your life whether you want to be a doctor, a cop, or a junkie, it doesnt matter but I dont think people have a set destiny. Destiny, I think, is kind of somewhat a religious term becuase if you do have a set future then who chose your future and why that particular path in life? Is it god? I dont think so. I know that a lot of religious people believe in destiny if im not mistaken. Just curious to what others think

ADL Eddie · 07-22-2008, 12:17 PM

Nope nada nilch

xmas13 · 07-22-2008, 12:28 PM

Hmmmm. "I don't like the idea of", "you choose what you want to do".

czarina · 07-22-2008, 12:30 PM

you may not like the idea, but face, you are not in control of your life. We can try to lead our paths the way we want to, but in the end, most times it depends on what destiny has in store for us.
So my answer is yes, I do believe in destiny.

ADL Eddie · 07-22-2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by czarina

you may not like the idea, but face, you are not in control of your life. We can try to lead our paths the way we want to, but in the end, most times it depends on what destiny has in store for us.
So my answer is yes, I do believe in destiny.

Who or what determines our destiny?

Scott McD · 07-22-2008, 12:38 PM

"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

Good movie...

CDSmith · 07-22-2008, 12:43 PM

Funny how some say they believe they are in control of their own destiny, yet completely ignore all the times when, while they're being in control and all, something impacts their life that they never saw coming, forcing their life to take a turn they never intended.

"Fate", or whatever you wish to call it or think of it as, has a funny way of poking at your life and shaping it whether you like it or not.

Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans.

CaptainHowdy · 07-22-2008, 01:09 PM

I believe in synchronicity...

Holly · 07-22-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ADL Eddie

Who or what determines our destiny?

Oprah???

ADL Eddie · 07-22-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Holly

Oprah???

By gravitational pull no doubt

gornyhuy · 07-22-2008, 01:17 PM

sniperwolf · 07-22-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Funny how some say they believe they are in control of their own destiny, yet completely ignore all the times when, while they're being in control and all, something impacts their life that they never saw coming, forcing their life to take a turn they never intended.

"Fate", or whatever you wish to call it or think of it as, has a funny way of poking at your life and shaping it whether you like it or not.

Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans.

Well said! That sums it up!

I can say, I believe into fate but don't rely your life to fate alone. You must do something to make the rest of your life worthy and be happy!

tranza · 07-22-2008, 01:36 PM

I don't believe in faith neither.

Violetta · 07-22-2008, 02:04 PM

Fate, luck and hard work! That is my plan!

Manowar · 07-22-2008, 02:13 PM

nah, you make your own way

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-22-2008, 02:27 PM

What people are taught today about fate and Destiny is silly.

The real understanding of it and explanation along with practical history proves there is fate and destiny. But the two are absolutly unrelated to a god.

Fate has much to do with the determined out come from an event mandated by men.

For example. Warlord takes village by force. The fate of the male survivors is decided before hand they are to be executed. The mens fate was decided not by god but a warlod. Just an simple example.

Destiny had much more higher meaning in older civilizations. The Children of the leaders were Destined to lead the people. For example or the slavers were destined to work thier lives on the quarry.

Destiny and fate has nothing to do with religion, it was religion that interjected those concepts using the terms such that God was the decider of who lives and dies and who rules... Not men.

Kinda sick but its true.

Vick! · 07-22-2008, 02:28 PM

A baby girl born with no eyes. What she did to make herself deserve such pity life?

This is fate. Anything out of your control, is fate.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-22-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Vick!

A baby girl born with no eyes. What she did to make herself deserve such pity life?

This is fate. Anything out of your control, is fate.

Exactly. Good example.

CurrentlySober · 07-22-2008, 02:47 PM

AlienQ invented fate...

Kudles · 07-22-2008, 06:36 PM

I'm really not sure

Dagwolf · 07-22-2008, 09:08 PM

I believe in fate.. just not for everyone and not all the time. In fact, I guess what I believe in is ironic coincidence. :D

carol.prime · 07-23-2008, 09:06 AM

Yes. I do believe in fate but i do not rely everything into it. I do what i wanted to do in my life, while im ready to accept things which is really not meant for me.

HeavenLeeGoddess · 07-23-2008, 09:22 AM

Yes I believe in fate, only because fate is what brought me and my Husband together.

jigg · 07-23-2008, 09:43 AM

that's such a deep topic ... but Yes

Eastern religions call it karma. You rip what you've sown in your past life in this life or the next. Not that God punishes but the universe, the boomerang effect.

In the world of physics it's "for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction"

I don't believe Christianity in particular believes in pre-determined fate
Probably not the baptists, pentecoastals etc... not very sure
I think they more believe in praying to God to avoid/attract whatever

Interestingly in the Bible it does say - when you pray, the things you desire believe you already have them, and you'll receive them. Sound familiar?

So hm ... fate or no fate...

Close family friend to my parents, interesting character, she was studied by Japanese scientist says on her telekinetic abilities and they were shocked to say the least...
so she says

Every soul comes to earth with pre-determined fate.
You can change some of it but not all.
It's karma. what you've done in your last life(s) affects this life.
God doesn't burn you on a steak in a lake or what have you
In an interview she elaborated and said we die and all's forgiven but karma
has you coming back to learn not be an ass to other people.
and that when you're a kid you know your purpose but forget it as you grow older

Veevee · 07-23-2008, 11:00 AM

it is a catch 22 between being the "captain of your ship" and fate on it's own.

for some people who are religioous, they will tell you that it don't matter if you have a blueprint of your life, if it isn't your destiny, it don't mean shit.

however, for those who aren't, they will tell you exactly that if you focus on that goal, you will reach it, so really, it'll be dependent on how your history has been.

Paco, of Large Cash. · 07-23-2008, 11:29 AM

fate .. bah hah hah! Yah, r_ight!

So, I guess you superstitious folk, whom also fear god, should leave people such as AmyWinehouse alone.

After all, your so-called ""god"" is what set her on her path. After all, whoTF are you to deny your Entity Of The Week? Hmm??

Why bother working, exercising, eating, being kind to others or quiting your favourite vices?
After all, what you do matters not because ""fate"" has got your wheel.

puh_leez!

Missy · 07-23-2008, 12:55 PM

There's an interesting movie about this called "Sliding Doors". Not the best movie, but interesting when it comes to this thing we call fate. It's basically two side-by-side stories of a girl whose life changes dramatically by one fateful event of missing her subway to work. It shows two stories simultaneously - all of the events that happen because she missed the bus, and all of the events that would have happened had she been on time.

The end result is that the destination is the same. But depending on the decisions we make, the path on which we arrive at that destination may vary immensely. And no matter how we get there or how long it takes, we will all eventually end up at the place we were meant to be. (And no, I'm not speaking of death as a final destination.)

Like I said, it wasn't the best movie ever, but it definitely got me thinking. I tend to lean toward this theory, although I'm still not positive what I believe when it comes to fate and destiny. I would love to have a split-screen view of my life that plays out what would have happened had I made certain decisions differently along my path. Although that could cause a great deal of regret, it would still be interesting to know.

Libertine · 07-23-2008, 01:47 PM

Fate taken as something that is "meant" to be is absolute nonsense.

Fate taken as natural law and possibly chance, on the other hand, is a simple fact.

Things either happen because of natural law or in some cases - if you follow some branchers of quantum theory - by pure random chance.

Human behaviour is a meta-pattern of physical interactions. The mental supervenes upon the physical, with the structures formed by the interactions of physical objects possessing new qualities that are intrinsically inherent to the structures, but not to the separate physical objects they consist of. (much like the separate components of a car taken individually do not possess the qualities of their combination - the car as a whole)

There is only the physical (matter, energy, dimensions), the interactions of which not just determine but actually are everything.

The experience of free will is merely consciousness, a meta-structure of the physical, experiencing and reflecting on its own workings, while providing feedback as a factor of influence on those workings at the same time. (much like a computer program which monitors not just external input, but also its own state, which it then feeds back into the monitoring system as a source of input, the state of the program meanwhile changing because of the combined input it receives)

A specific person in a specific state and given a specific situation, however, is not able to act in any other way than he actually does. For a different outcome to occur, one of the variables would need to be different - meaning that either the person would have to be a different one, or the context. Otherwise, the law of cause and effect, chained, will ensure exactly the same outcome.

The only viable alternative to this would be the existence of actual true randomness, ungoverned by any natural law. In that case, there is an additional influence - random chance. This would, of course, still exclude the possibility of anything resembling traditional notions of a free will.

Either way, humans are as free as a conscious billiard ball which gets hit by another ball and thinks "And now, I shall freely choose to move!"

One is free to do what one decides to do, but not free to decide what one decides to do. (paraphrased from a philosopher whose name won't come to mind right now)

ADL Colin · 07-23-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Missy

There's an interesting movie about this called "Sliding Doors". Not the best movie, but interesting when it comes to this thing we call fate. It's basically two side-by-side stories of a girl whose life changes dramatically by one fateful event of missing her subway to work. It shows two stories simultaneously - all of the events that happen because she missed the bus, and all of the events that would have happened had she been on time.

The end result is that the destination is the same. But depending on the decisions we make, the path on which we arrive at that destination may vary immensely. And no matter how we get there or how long it takes, we will all eventually end up at the place we were meant to be. (And no, I'm not speaking of death as a final destination.)

Like I said, it wasn't the best movie ever, but it definitely got me thinking. I tend to lean toward this theory, although I'm still not positive what I believe when it comes to fate and destiny. I would love to have a split-screen view of my life that plays out what would have happened had I made certain decisions differently along my path. Although that could cause a great deal of regret, it would still be interesting to know.

I feel asleep during that movie.

The "Butterfly Effect" was better.

Missy · 07-23-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin

I feel asleep during that movie.

The "Butterfly Effect" was better.

I agree that The Butterfly Effect was a much better movie, but they are two totally different concepts. One is about unknowingly changing the path to your pre-determined destination; the other about intentionally trying to change the destination of your path. Donnie Darko is another good movie about trying to change the end result.

CDSmith · 07-23-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by vpaguio

if you focus on that goal, you will reach it,

Barring any unforseen circumstances of course. Like getting hit by lightning and ending up a cripple, which prevents you from reaching your goal of becoming a star athlete, for example.

People can argue "there's no such thing" all they want, but the fact is, shit happens.

That's the true definition of fate if there ever was one... shit happens.

Angel Martin · 07-23-2008, 04:45 PM

fate doesn't make sense

shekinah · 07-23-2008, 05:04 PM

I believe in consequences!

gandalfuy · 07-23-2008, 05:32 PM

no fate mate.

07-22-2008, 12:14 PM	#1
shahab6 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Los angeles Posts: 1,614	Do you believe in fate? I was just wondering how many people out there believed in fate and why. I dont because I dont like the idea that im not in control of my own life. I dont think everyone has a destiny and that there is no combating that. You choose what you want to do with your life whether you want to be a doctor, a cop, or a junkie, it doesnt matter but I dont think people have a set destiny. Destiny, I think, is kind of somewhat a religious term becuase if you do have a set future then who chose your future and why that particular path in life? Is it god? I dont think so. I know that a lot of religious people believe in destiny if im not mistaken. Just curious to what others think

07-22-2008, 12:17 PM	#2
ADL Eddie Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 548	Nope nada nilch __________________ 42 Dating Niches! $42/ Signup!

07-22-2008, 12:28 PM	#3
xmas13 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: GFY Posts: 5,176	Hmmmm. "I don't like the idea of", "you choose what you want to do". __________________ ICQ 557504926

07-22-2008, 12:38 PM	#6
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07-22-2008, 12:43 PM	#7
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Funny how some say they believe they are in control of their own destiny, yet completely ignore all the times when, while they're being in control and all, something impacts their life that they never saw coming, forcing their life to take a turn they never intended. "Fate", or whatever you wish to call it or think of it as, has a funny way of poking at your life and shaping it whether you like it or not. Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

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czarina Webmaster Extraordinaire Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: A beautiful beach... Posts: 10,748	you may not like the idea, but face, you are not in control of your life. We can try to lead our paths the way we want to, but in the end, most times it depends on what destiny has in store for us. So my answer is yes, I do believe in destiny.

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	What people are taught today about fate and Destiny is silly. The real understanding of it and explanation along with practical history proves there is fate and destiny. But the two are absolutly unrelated to a god. Fate has much to do with the determined out come from an event mandated by men. For example. Warlord takes village by force. The fate of the male survivors is decided before hand they are to be executed. The mens fate was decided not by god but a warlod. Just an simple example. Destiny had much more higher meaning in older civilizations. The Children of the leaders were Destined to lead the people. For example or the slavers were destined to work thier lives on the quarry. Destiny and fate has nothing to do with religion, it was religion that interjected those concepts using the terms such that God was the decider of who lives and dies and who rules... Not men. Kinda sick but its true. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \| Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 07-22-2008 at 02:29 PM..

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07-23-2008, 09:06 AM	#22
carol.prime Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 6,960	Yes. I do believe in fate but i do not rely everything into it. I do what i wanted to do in my life, while im ready to accept things which is really not meant for me. __________________ Prime Outsourcing \| offshore staffing solutions \| manual labor \| employee leasing \| full time employees starting at $695.00/month = managed and dedicated icq.: 309570461 live chat

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HeavenLeeGoddess Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In your Dreams :) Posts: 428	Yes I believe in fate, only because fate is what brought me and my Husband together. __________________ I am no ANGEL

07-23-2008, 09:43 AM	#24
jigg Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,527	that's such a deep topic ... but Yes Eastern religions call it karma. You rip what you've sown in your past life in this life or the next. Not that God punishes but the universe, the boomerang effect. In the world of physics it's "for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction" I don't believe Christianity in particular believes in pre-determined fate Probably not the baptists, pentecoastals etc... not very sure I think they more believe in praying to God to avoid/attract whatever Interestingly in the Bible it does say - when you pray, the things you desire believe you already have them, and you'll receive them. Sound familiar? So hm ... fate or no fate... Close family friend to my parents, interesting character, she was studied by Japanese scientist says on her telekinetic abilities and they were shocked to say the least... so she says Every soul comes to earth with pre-determined fate. You can change some of it but not all. It's karma. what you've done in your last life(s) affects this life. God doesn't burn you on a steak in a lake or what have you In an interview she elaborated and said we die and all's forgiven but karma has you coming back to learn not be an ass to other people. and that when you're a kid you know your purpose but forget it as you grow older __________________ ...... eight,eight,two,eight,eight,four,two ......

07-23-2008, 11:00 AM	#25
Veevee Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 787	it is a catch 22 between being the "captain of your ship" and fate on it's own. for some people who are religioous, they will tell you that it don't matter if you have a blueprint of your life, if it isn't your destiny, it don't mean shit. however, for those who aren't, they will tell you exactly that if you focus on that goal, you will reach it, so really, it'll be dependent on how your history has been.

07-23-2008, 11:29 AM	#26
Paco, of Large Cash. Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: --> . <-- Posts: 2,267	fate .. bah hah hah! Yah, r_ight! So, I guess you superstitious folk, whom also fear god, should leave people such as AmyWinehouse alone. After all, your so-called ""god"" is what set her on her path. After all, whoTF are you to deny your Entity Of The Week? Hmm?? Why bother working, exercising, eating, being kind to others or quiting your favourite vices? After all, what you do matters not because ""fate"" has got your wheel. puh_leez! Last edited by Paco, of Large Cash.; 07-23-2008 at 11:31 AM..

07-23-2008, 12:55 PM	#27
Missy FLASHCA$H.COM Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: In my skin Posts: 1,257	There's an interesting movie about this called "Sliding Doors". Not the best movie, but interesting when it comes to this thing we call fate. It's basically two side-by-side stories of a girl whose life changes dramatically by one fateful event of missing her subway to work. It shows two stories simultaneously - all of the events that happen because she missed the bus, and all of the events that would have happened had she been on time. The end result is that the destination is the same. But depending on the decisions we make, the path on which we arrive at that destination may vary immensely. And no matter how we get there or how long it takes, we will all eventually end up at the place we were meant to be. (And no, I'm not speaking of death as a final destination.) Like I said, it wasn't the best movie ever, but it definitely got me thinking. I tend to lean toward this theory, although I'm still not positive what I believe when it comes to fate and destiny. I would love to have a split-screen view of my life that plays out what would have happened had I made certain decisions differently along my path. Although that could cause a great deal of regret, it would still be interesting to know. __________________ See what's new at FLASHCA$H Missy - Brian's Sidekick ICQ: 78989718

07-23-2008, 01:47 PM	#28
Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	Fate taken as something that is "meant" to be is absolute nonsense. Fate taken as natural law and possibly chance, on the other hand, is a simple fact. Things either happen because of natural law or in some cases - if you follow some branchers of quantum theory - by pure random chance. Human behaviour is a meta-pattern of physical interactions. The mental supervenes upon the physical, with the structures formed by the interactions of physical objects possessing new qualities that are intrinsically inherent to the structures, but not to the separate physical objects they consist of. (much like the separate components of a car taken individually do not possess the qualities of their combination - the car as a whole) There is only the physical (matter, energy, dimensions), the interactions of which not just determine but actually are everything. The experience of free will is merely consciousness, a meta-structure of the physical, experiencing and reflecting on its own workings, while providing feedback as a factor of influence on those workings at the same time. (much like a computer program which monitors not just external input, but also its own state, which it then feeds back into the monitoring system as a source of input, the state of the program meanwhile changing because of the combined input it receives) A specific person in a specific state and given a specific situation, however, is not able to act in any other way than he actually does. For a different outcome to occur, one of the variables would need to be different - meaning that either the person would have to be a different one, or the context. Otherwise, the law of cause and effect, chained, will ensure exactly the same outcome. The only viable alternative to this would be the existence of actual true randomness, ungoverned by any natural law. In that case, there is an additional influence - random chance. This would, of course, still exclude the possibility of anything resembling traditional notions of a free will. Either way, humans are as free as a conscious billiard ball which gets hit by another ball and thinks "And now, I shall freely choose to move!" One is free to do what one decides to do, but not free to decide what one decides to do. (paraphrased from a philosopher whose name won't come to mind right now) __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

07-23-2008, 04:45 PM	#32
Angel Martin Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 340	fate doesn't make sense

07-23-2008, 05:04 PM	#33
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07-23-2008, 05:32 PM	#34
gandalfuy Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Montevideo, Uruguay. Posts: 4,686	no fate mate. __________________ I'm not back.