ADVICE: I want to get a nice HD Camcorder for Home use. Flash or Hard Drive? - GoFuckYourself.com

boneprone · 07-24-2008, 12:18 AM

Hey people. I want to get a nice new HD camcorder.

Looking at the new Sony's and Canons.

Whats good?

And should I get Flash or Harddrive??

Or tape?

These Flash ones, how much record time in HD can you get on em?

Deej · 07-24-2008, 12:24 AM

All I can say is your looking at the right brands for home use camcorders... they both produce decent handhelds that do the trick... get one that takes a wide angle lens attachment... it will just boost the quality for some things

DeanCapture · 07-24-2008, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone

Hey people. I want to get a nice new HD camcorder.

Looking at the new Sony's and Canons.

Whats good?

And should I get Flash or Harddrive??

Or tape?

These Flash ones, how much record time in HD can you get on em?

Boneprone, check out the Sony SR-11. You can find them for less than $1K and they are pretty damn nice.
I shot this footage with one!

Evil E · 07-24-2008, 12:32 AM

Nice stuff Dean, what kind of lighting/other equipment did you use for that footage?

DirtyDanza · 07-24-2008, 12:35 AM

simple answer..

Neither..

You want tape...

see below thread

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/841323-dirty-danza-ive-listened-shit.html

DeanCapture · 07-24-2008, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Evil E

Nice stuff Dean, what kind of lighting/other equipment did you use for that footage?

2 light setup on 2 of those scenes - 1 light on the other one. Sony SR-11 HD camera with a BeachTek audio adapter which allowed for using my Sennheiser overhead boom mic. Edited in Sony Vegas Pro.

I'm pretty happy with the footage. The camera doesn't have the resolution that one of the high-end $6000 HD cameras would have but I think it has enough resolution for what I need it for. We may step up to one of those more expensive cameras though real soon because although the footage from the SR-11 is nice, the camera doesn't offer much in the way of manual controls...and I hate shooting stuff on automatic!

Major (Tom) · 07-24-2008, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone

Hey people. I want to get a nice new HD camcorder.

Looking at the new Sony's and Canons.

Whats good?

And should I get Flash or Harddrive??

Or tape?

These Flash ones, how much record time in HD can you get on em?

i use a sony that has the sxs cards. holds 100 gigs of HD and you could pop it in your express card slot and transfer it in at 100mbs. they use the same camera for dirty jobs and those other tv shows. it was like 5-6k. i will get you the model # in a bit. great camera.
DUKE

Orgazilla · 07-24-2008, 01:54 AM

get hard drive...

Tat2Jr · 07-24-2008, 04:23 AM

I've been using a AVCHD flash based camera for about a year. (The Panasonic HDC-SD1). Not using tapes has been AWESOME. No dropouts, no tape storage problems, ect. Some of my tapes from 1997-2000 aren't holding up as well as I'd like. With AVCHD I just use a 4GB or 8GB SDHD card and then burn the raw files to a single or double layer DVD for storage. This cheap consumer model has a MUCH MUCH better picture then my Sony VX2100 could ever record.

Editing has gotten easier, but is still a bitch. Adobe still doesn't support AVCHD, and I still like/use Premiere 6.5 which doesn't support any HD. I use Ulead Video Studio 11.5+ to convert the AVCHD files to DV. Take the DV files into Premiere to find my in/out points and edit audio if needed. Then go back into Ulead and edit the files (bring the WAV files in if I edited audio). Ulead has a proxy file option to help edit the HD files (makes a small VCD/DV file that it uses in place of the HD file but the edits are done on the actual HD file), but I like using Premiere for my editing. It's "snappier".

AVCHD has come a LONG way. Mine records at 13Mbps, but the new ones coming out are recording in the full AVCHD standard of 24Mbps, and in 1080p. They are saying that the 24Mbps ones are HDV killers. I'm not going to argue if they are correct or not, but I do like not using tape alot. I will be replacing mine by the end of the year with one of the new ones. Either Canon or Sony.

Here's the new Canon coming out:
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...HG21-35382.htm

To answer your question - I wouldn't bother with a hard drive unit for 2 reasons. The cards are perfect sized for DVD backups (if I record a 10GB scene and don't have a bluray burner how do I back it up?), and the hard drive is a moving part that can break that I'd rather just not have in my camera.

Here's a sample video I shot with my SD1. It's a torrent. Feel free to seed it if you want.
http://www.amateurupskirts.com/promo...96.TPB.torrent

Evil E · 07-24-2008, 04:44 AM

Thanks for the info and vid Tat2Jr. I'm downloading it and will be seeding it for the day or so.

CIVMatt · 07-24-2008, 06:45 AM

I bought a Sony SR11 and love it, HD all the way, no more tapes, I can record for HOURS

although I cant figure out how to get it to record in SD... lol

boneprone · 07-24-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Deej

All I can say is your looking at the right brands for home use camcorders... they both produce decent handhelds that do the trick... get one that takes a wide angle lens attachment... it will just boost the quality for some things

Ahh good point!

boneprone · 07-24-2008, 09:22 AM

I also concerned about editing software.. For HD.

I heard the Sony one has been difficult for the avarage consumer. Im not really all that bright and have problems with learning myself (lazy) so im wondering whats best and easiest?

boneprone · 07-24-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Boneprone, check out the Sony SR-11. You can find them for less than $1K and they are pretty damn nice.
I shot this footage with one!

WOW........

Is this the newest Sony?? This is really good.

You use tape, Hrddrive or flash?

DeanCapture · 07-24-2008, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

WOW........

Is this the newest Sony?? This is really good.

You use tape, Hrddrive or flash?

Memory Stick PRO Duo - no tape - works great!

tranza · 07-24-2008, 09:26 AM

Use flash!!

tony286 · 07-24-2008, 09:42 AM

dean wait til the fall the new panny comes out the hmc150 its considered the direct update to the dvx

boneprone · 07-24-2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Memory Stick PRO Duo - no tape - works great!

Once you capture the vid, what do you do with it?

Upl;oad it to your PC? Then edit and burn it to DVD with vegas???

I want to make sure it burns in HD format.

boneprone · 07-24-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Memory Stick PRO Duo - no tape - works great!

It says this is a HardDrive Camcorder.

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665291500

I assume you can use both media card or HardDrive.

Both methods can record in HD format?

07-24-2008, 12:18 AM	#1
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07-24-2008, 12:35 AM	#5
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07-24-2008, 04:23 AM	#9
Tat2Jr Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sunny California Posts: 4,882	I've been using a AVCHD flash based camera for about a year. (The Panasonic HDC-SD1). Not using tapes has been AWESOME. No dropouts, no tape storage problems, ect. Some of my tapes from 1997-2000 aren't holding up as well as I'd like. With AVCHD I just use a 4GB or 8GB SDHD card and then burn the raw files to a single or double layer DVD for storage. This cheap consumer model has a MUCH MUCH better picture then my Sony VX2100 could ever record. Editing has gotten easier, but is still a bitch. Adobe still doesn't support AVCHD, and I still like/use Premiere 6.5 which doesn't support any HD. I use Ulead Video Studio 11.5+ to convert the AVCHD files to DV. Take the DV files into Premiere to find my in/out points and edit audio if needed. Then go back into Ulead and edit the files (bring the WAV files in if I edited audio). Ulead has a proxy file option to help edit the HD files (makes a small VCD/DV file that it uses in place of the HD file but the edits are done on the actual HD file), but I like using Premiere for my editing. It's "snappier". AVCHD has come a LONG way. Mine records at 13Mbps, but the new ones coming out are recording in the full AVCHD standard of 24Mbps, and in 1080p. They are saying that the 24Mbps ones are HDV killers. I'm not going to argue if they are correct or not, but I do like not using tape alot. I will be replacing mine by the end of the year with one of the new ones. Either Canon or Sony. Here's the new Canon coming out: http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...HG21-35382.htm To answer your question - I wouldn't bother with a hard drive unit for 2 reasons. The cards are perfect sized for DVD backups (if I record a 10GB scene and don't have a bluray burner how do I back it up?), and the hard drive is a moving part that can break that I'd rather just not have in my camera. Here's a sample video I shot with my SD1. It's a torrent. Feel free to seed it if you want. http://www.amateurupskirts.com/promo...96.TPB.torrent __________________ NICHE MONEY >> Ass Worship • Panties • Solo Teen • Pantyhose Serving up exclusive fetish sites since 1997! Last edited by Tat2Jr; 07-24-2008 at 04:25 AM..

07-24-2008, 01:54 AM	#8
Orgazilla Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 46	get hard drive...

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Evil E Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Lazyness is a lifestyle Posts: 3,201	Thanks for the info and vid Tat2Jr. I'm downloading it and will be seeding it for the day or so. __________________ A girl once told me "Give me 8 inches and make it HURT". So, I fucked her twice and hit her with a brick.

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boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	I also concerned about editing software.. For HD. I heard the Sony one has been difficult for the avarage consumer. Im not really all that bright and have problems with learning myself (lazy) so im wondering whats best and easiest? __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

07-24-2008, 09:26 AM	#16
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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	dean wait til the fall the new panny comes out the hmc150 its considered the direct update to the dvx