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rock-reed · 07-24-2008, 05:08 AM

911 Loose Change-- ?

I know this has been spoken about 12,323 times on GFY.

But what is your opinion on the 9/11 video: LOOSE CHANGE?

Looking forward to all your opinions...

Thanks,
Mr. Rock.

rock-reed · 07-24-2008, 10:06 PM

Anyone...Anyone..?

Bueller...?

MediaGuy · 07-24-2008, 10:21 PM

Loose Change The Final Cut is the best because it's most resourced and documented.

The first two versions have a little too much conjecture, but some of the ideas are much more provocative.

The situation needs to be re-investigated (or just investigated, since they don't seem to have been in the first place), no doubt; and from my point of view, those buildings never collapsed.

So far, it's cost billions to fight what the Bush administration says cost a couple bucks a box cutter to achieve; they're pointed in the wrong direction if they're just yucks and idiots who messed up on 9/11.

potter · 07-24-2008, 10:27 PM

why not just read the old threads?

tehHinjew · 07-24-2008, 10:43 PM

gfy's favorite topic!

2MuchMark · 07-24-2008, 11:02 PM

Oh god... oh god.. now you've done it. You've got Media guy started in 911 and Loose Change... It's only his most favorite event-cum-conspiracy and favorite movie of all time. God help you. God help you all.

Watch, I'll prove it.

Yo, Greg: The towers fell because some big-assed planes crashed into them. It was NOT a controlled demoltion.

Now. Stand back everyone... stand way the hell back...

Dirty F · 07-24-2008, 11:06 PM

Loose change is the biggest piece of shit docu you can find on the internet. Its full of made up "facts" and biased "facts" and left out evidence which would prove stuff the creator of the movie couldnt use. Any person who uses this movie for facts is a total fucking retard.

Snake Doctor · 07-24-2008, 11:06 PM

just do a search on google or youtube for 9/11 loose change + popular mechanics. Watch the video of them getting PWN3D by the engineers from the magazine, and then come back and tell US what YOU think about 911 loose change.

Malicious Biz · 07-24-2008, 11:09 PM

MediaGuy · 07-24-2008, 11:14 PM

OK. You're right. Why spend billions to demolish old buildings when we can just set a desk on fire and have the whole thing come down symetrically.

It's a conspiracy by demolition companies to preserve their market.

What a joke. "Collapse" lol

Malicious Biz · 07-24-2008, 11:21 PM

Tell me truthers, exactly how much of your childhoods was spend eating the delicious lead flavored paint chips from your bedroom window sill?

Anyone who thinks 9-11 was an inside job is a self-deluded gullible idiot.

Dirty F · 07-24-2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

OK. You're right. Why spend billions to demolish old buildings when we can just set a desk on fire and have the whole thing come down symetrically.

It's a conspiracy by demolition companies to preserve their market.

What a joke. "Collapse" lol

Oh yeah, ofcourse, youre one of those nutjobs who keeps crying about how its possible that a fire brings down a building. Completely ignoring the fact that a massive fucking airplane crashed into the building first.

You people are funny.

Malicious Biz · 07-24-2008, 11:32 PM

Bill Clinton couldn't get away with a blow job and Nixon Couldn't get away with a two-bit burglary. But yet you idiots think that the most inept presidential administration in recent history pulled off the crime of the century?

LOL.

Dirty F · 07-24-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

OK. You're right. Why spend billions to demolish old buildings when we can just set a desk on fire and have the whole thing come down symetrically.

It's a conspiracy by demolition companies to preserve their market.

What a joke. "Collapse" lol

How exactly is a building with that height and weight supposed to come down other than collapsing straight down? It should somehow collapse horizontally or something?

MediaGuy · 07-24-2008, 11:40 PM

Perfect symetry in a so-called pancake collapse of steel structured buildings just isn't possible - especially three times in a row, with regular fuel fires, for the first (three) times in history.

Unless all the beams were somehow heated at smelter temperatures for about 2 or three hours?

An hour. The "fires" burned for an hour. And then 70 stories came straight down as if they were jello.

Please. Plus, watching them that day, you could see they were blowing shit out hundreds of yards. There's no collapse there.

Dirty F · 07-24-2008, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

Perfect symetry in a so-called pancake collapse just isn't possible - especially three times in a row, with regular fuel fires, for the first (three) times in history.

A fucking plane hit those 2 towers! Dont you fucking get it? A plane! A plane destroyed a few floors! Stop crying about how just a fire brought a building down. One floor collapses finally and the top of the building drops on the other floors and it pancakes down. How hard is that to fucking understand you fucking retard boy.

moeloubani · 07-24-2008, 11:45 PM

Inside job? I don't think so. But I'm just not sure how Bush knew 2 hours after it happened who did it. If he knew they were going to do it, why didn't he stop them?

moeloubani · 07-24-2008, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

Perfect symetry in a so-called pancake collapse of steel structured buildings just isn't possible - especially three times in a row, with regular fuel fires, for the first (three) times in history.

Is it impossible or just not likely? Huge difference!

Malicious Biz · 07-24-2008, 11:49 PM

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But I'm just not sure how Bush knew 2 hours after it happened who did it.

Who else would've been the prime suspect in a major terrorist attack against the US other than bin laden, silly?

It's not like he hadn't commited several other prior major attacks including the first attack on the towers.

and do you honestly believe anyone with knowledge of the attacks, bush included, would just sit back and let thousands of people die? come the fuck on.

moeloubani · 07-24-2008, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Malicious Biz

Who else would've been the prime suspect in a major terrorist attack against the US other than bin laden, silly?

It's not like he hadn't commited several other prior major attacks including the first attack on the towers.

and do you honestly believe anyone with knowledge of the attacks, bush included, would just sit back and let thousands of people die? come the fuck on.

You mean who else would attack the most hated country in the world? Is that the question you're asking? Do you still want an answer?

Malicious Biz · 07-24-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

You mean who else would attack the most hated country in the world? Is that the question you're asking? Do you still want an answer?

Bin laden was prime suspect, that's how he "knew". Get it over it.

Snake Doctor · 07-25-2008, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

A fucking plane hit those 2 towers! Dont you fucking get it? A plane! A plane destroyed a few floors! Stop crying about how just a fire brought a building down. One floor collapses finally and the top of the building drops on the other floors and it pancakes down. How hard is that to fucking understand you fucking retard boy.

You realize that arguing with a 9/11 conspiracy theorist is like wrestling with a pig in the mud right?

The Duck · 07-25-2008, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Loose change is the biggest piece of shit docu you can find on the internet. Its full of made up "facts" and biased "facts" and left out evidence which would prove stuff the creator of the movie couldnt use. Any person who uses this movie for facts is a total fucking retard.

Every single fact in the final cut has been checked by a professor.

Malicious Biz · 07-25-2008, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by kandah

Every single fact in the final cut has been checked by a professor.

Do you mean Professor of Physics and all around nutjobbery Dr. Steven Jones?

Because I wouldn't ask a physics professor to change the starter on my car let alone ask him to check the facts surrounding a complex ENGINEERING disaster better suited to a professor of ENGINEERING.

moeloubani · 07-25-2008, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Malicious Biz

Bin laden was prime suspect, that's how he "knew". Get it over it.

As much as you'd like to think it with this statement and the one you made after about Steven E. Jones, your words mean absolute shit.

Even the dumbest person in the world knows that you can't just say someone did something without any sort of investigation or proof. Just that you say so, again, means absolutely shit all.

You know what I mean by that? You saying he was the prime suspect means absolutely nothing, 0.

And who are you to criticize a physicist? Again remember, what you say means shit all. If a doctor who has gone to school, earned his degrees and knows his shit says something about all you need to do is shut up and nod.

Malicious Biz · 07-25-2008, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

As much as you'd like to think it with this statement and the one you made after about Steven E. Jones, your words mean absolute shit.

Even the dumbest person in the world knows that you can't just say someone did something without any sort of investigation or proof. Just that you say so, again, means absolutely shit all.

You know what I mean by that? You saying he was the prime suspect means absolutely nothing, 0.

And who are you to criticize a physicist? Again remember, what you say means shit all. If a doctor who has gone to school, earned his degrees and knows his shit says something about all you need to do is shut up and nod.

moeloubani · 07-25-2008, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Malicious Biz

Exactly. Enjoy a life of being an ignorant fool.

Malicious Biz · 07-25-2008, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

Exactly. Enjoy a life of being an ignorant fool.

Dirty F · 07-25-2008, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kandah

Every single fact in the final cut has been checked by a professor.

Malicious Biz · 07-25-2008, 02:10 AM

Ok now that I'm done laughing at your feeble attempt at a comeback...

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

Even the dumbest person in the world knows that you can't just say someone did something without any sort of investigation or proof. Just that you say so, again, means absolutely shit all.

Why can't you? Law enforcement accuse people of crimes all the time with little to no investigation. Do you know what they call those accused people?

Prime Suspects.

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

If a doctor who has gone to school, earned his degrees and knows his shit says something about all you need to do is shut up and nod.

Maybe he knows his shit... about physics.
But when it comes to the complexities of skyscraper construction a physics degree falls short in determining the causes of a catastrophic collapse. Such a call can only be made by those qualified to make such determinations. ENGINEERS not Physicists.

Physics professor is no more qualified to investage a structural collapse than a philosophy professor is to perform brain surgery.

moeloubani · 07-25-2008, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Malicious Biz

Ok now that I'm done laughing at your feeble attempt at a comeback...

Why can't you? Law enforcement accuse people of crimes all the time with little to no investigation. Do you know what they call those accused people?

Prime Suspects.

Maybe he knows his shit... about physics.
But when it comes to the complexities of skyscraper construction a physics degree falls short in determining the causes of a catastrophic collapse. Such a call can only be made by those qualified to make such determinations. ENGINEERS not Physicists.

Physics professor is no more qualified to investage a structural collapse than a philosophy professor is to perform brain surgery.

Ok, well now that you're done laughing are you ready for me to, yet again, show that your words mean absolutely nothing?

First of all, engineering (by definition) is the practical application of physics. But I wouldn't expect you to know that.

Second of all, I'm not sure where you get your info from but as far as I know, law enforcement (or at least in the real world, not in your fantasy land) doesn't say we KNOW who did it unless they have PROOF. They say we think they did it, and then they INVESTIGATE (unlike what they do in your fantasy land, investage). And THEN they can say ok this person DID do it, now lets punish them.

Come on dude, give it up, I'm way smarter than you are, better with words and I'm probably better looking. You can't touch this!!

Now THAT deserves a

.

Nice try though! (Not really, you never made any sense.)

Malicious Biz · 07-25-2008, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

First of all, engineering (by definition) is the practical application of physics. But I wouldn't expect you to know that.

An all knowing brilliant physics professor is a valuable asset to any university, let alone a mormon university.. so why on earth would BYU send jones packing?

Oh that's right.. because he's a fucking loon ranting about shit he knows very little about.

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On September 7, 2006, Jones removed his paper from BYU's website at the request of administrators and was placed on paid leave. [29]

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

Second of all, I'm not sure where you get your info from but as far as I know, law enforcement (or at least in the real world, not in your fantasy land) doesn't say we KNOW who did it unless they have PROOF. They say we think they did it, and then they INVESTIGATE (unlike what they do in your fantasy land, investage). And THEN they can say ok this person DID do it, now lets punish them.

But see the difference is Bush didn't "know", he, like most everyone on planet earth came to that conclusion after we all saw the second plane hit the towers.

WE PRETTY MUCH ALL "KNEW" WHO FUCKING DID IT.

moeloubani · 07-25-2008, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Malicious Biz

An all knowing brilliant physics professor is a valuable asset to any university, let alone a mormon university.. so why on earth would BYU send jones packing?

Oh that's right.. because he's a fucking loon ranting about shit he knows very little about.

But see the difference is Bush didn't "know", he, like most everyone on planet earth came to that conclusion after we all saw the second plane hit the towers.

WE PRETTY MUCH ALL "KNEW" WHO FUCKING DID IT.

Controversial statements are not the same as being wrong. They sent him packing because he was doing something that was bringing bad attention to the school. He is a doctor in physics dude, that's fucking tough to get to.

And yes, we all saw that plane, the one that had AL QEADA WUZ HERE painted on the side of it. I'm on planet Earth, I didn't come to that conclusion.

Again, must I?

Malicious Biz · 07-25-2008, 02:47 AM

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The university cited its concern about the "increasingly speculative and accusatory nature" of Jones' work and the concern that perhaps it had "not been published in appropriate scientific venues" as reasons for putting him under review. The review was to have been conducted at three levels: BYU administration, the College of Physical and Mathematical Sciences, and the Physics Department.[30]

Yeah, that sounds like a man who knows what in the fuck he's talking about.

moeloubani · 07-25-2008, 02:51 AM

Again man? Again just to be embarrassed? Did you even read that page you linked?

What about this part?

Jones conducted research at the Idaho National Laboratory, in Arco, Idaho where, from 1979 to 1985, he was a senior engineering specialist. He was principal investigator for experimental muon-catalyzed fusion from 1982 to 1991 for the U.S. Department of Energy, Division of Advanced Energy Projects. From 1990 to 1993, Jones studied fusion in condensed matter physics and deuterium under U.S. Department of Energy and Electric Power Research Institute sponsorship. Jones also collaborated in experiments at other physics labs, including TRIUMF (Vancouver, British Columbia), KEK (Tsukuba, Japan), and the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory at Oxford University.

Now does he know what he's talking about?

Anyways it's 6 am and I haven't gone to bed yet. Good night! Oh and...

You just can't!

Malicious Biz · 07-25-2008, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

They sent him packing because he was doing something that was bringing bad attention to the school.

If you're a valueable asset to the university the likelyhood of being sent on leave isn't very likely for saying merely something controversial. I mean take a look at noam chomsky, this guy has been bringing more negative attention on himself than Jones could ever hope for and MIT wouldn't dream of canning him.

Jones got canned not for being controversial.. but for being a conspiratorial loon and making baseless accusations. Making a fool of himself and the iniversity for keeping him on staff.

Malicious Biz · 07-25-2008, 02:57 AM

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Now does he know what he's talking about?

Not when it comes to controlled demolition and skyscraper engineering it doesn't.

I don't understand why that's so hard for you to understand.

Physics and this type of engineering expertise is so far removed from one another I would expect even a child to understand.

moeloubani · 07-25-2008, 03:01 AM

Typing in my sleep.

Still able to best your efforts.

Controversial at MIT is different than controversial at a Mormon University.

Again, engineering is the practical application of physics. Without physics engineering is nothing. So far removed from one another? Engineering relies 100% on physics.

Even a child WOULD understand. You sure you should be here?

Try again! Will answer in a few hours!

Malicious Biz · 07-25-2008, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

Without physics engineering is nothing. So far removed from one another? Engineering relies 100% on physics.

Let me put it this way,

Just because the guy knows what makes nuclear weapon work doesn't make him qualified to build a skyscraper, let alone qualified to determine why one would collapse.

And see this is why his was sent on leave, not for being controversial, but for being wrong.

Malicious Biz · 07-25-2008, 04:34 AM

I know this won't sway you from your woefully wrong position on steven jones' lunacy but it's worth a shot.

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Steven E. Jones is a professor at Brigham Young University. He has created the paper which has created the ground swell around the 911 conspiracy theories. His paper was peer reviewed but not by a civil engineering journal. One would think a serious professor would get his paper peer reviewed by a scientific journal which specializes in the field they are writing the paper on.
But is Professor Jones qualified to create a paper which says the towers must have fallen due to explosives? He is a physics professor but what experience does Jones have in building collapse forensics? He has none. His other peer reviewed papers consist of cold fusion technology. He conducts research in nuclear fusion and solar energy. Nothing in his background would suggest he is qualified to write a civil engineering paper on the infinitely complex building collapse of the towers.
Brigham Young University doesn't want anything to do with the paper.

A few department chairmen at Jones' university have issued critical statements, though none of these has yet addressed any of the points which Jones made in his paper and at his presentation at BYU. Chairman of the BYU department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, Dr. Miller, is on record stating in an e-mail, "I think without exception, the structural engineering professors in our department are not in agreement with the claims made by Jones in his paper, and they don't think there is accuracy and validity to these claims".
The BYU physics department has also issued a statement: "The university is aware that Professor Steven Jones' hypotheses and interpretations of evidence regarding the collapse of World Trade Center buildings are being questioned by a number of scholars and practitioners, including many of BYU's own faculty members. Professor Jones' department and college administrators are not convinced that his analyses and hypotheses have been submitted to relevant scientific venues that would ensure rigorous technical peer review." The College of Engineering and Technology department has also added, "The structural engineering faculty in the Fulton College of Engineering and Technology do not support the hypotheses of Professor Jones."

Jones says his paper will pass peer review again. But will it pass peer review in a respected civil engineering journal? Nothing less would be taken seriously.
One of Jones BYU colleagues had this to say after reading his paper...
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Letter to the Editor
Refuting 9/11 Conspiracy Theory

April 09, 2006
Dear Editor,
After reading in the Daily Herald the presentations made by Professor Steven E. Jones (BYU Physics) to students at UVSC and BYU, I feel obligated to reply to his "Conspiracy Theory" relating to the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center (9/11/01).
I have studied the summary of the report by FEMA, The American Society of Civil Engineers and several other professional engineering organizations. These experts have given in detail the effects on the Towers by the impact of the commercial aircraft. I have also read Professor Jones' (referred to) 42 page unpublished report. In my understanding of structural design and the properties of structural steel I find Professor Jones' thesis that planted explosives (rather than fire from the planes) caused the collapse of the Towers, very unreliable.
The structural design of the towers was unique in that the supporting steel structure consisted of closely spaced columns in the walls of all four sides. The resulting structure was similar to a tube. When the aircraft impacted the towers at speeds of about 500 plus mph, many steel columns were immediately severed and others rendered weak by the following fires. The fires critically damaged the floors systems. Structural steel will begin to lose strength when heated to temperatures above 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. Steel bridge girders are bent to conform to the curved roadway by spot heating flanges between 800 and 1000 degrees Fahrenheit. It is easy to comprehend the loss of carrying capacity of all the structural steel due to the raging fires fed by the jet's fuel as well as aircraft and building contents.
Before one (especially students) supports such a conspiracy theory, they should investigate all details of the theory. To me a practicing structural engineer of 57 continuous years (1941-1998), Professor Jones' presentations are very disturbing.
D. Allan Firmage
Professor Emeritus, Civil Engineering, BYU

Since you hold a physicists opinion in such high regard when it comes to engineering matters:

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Originally Posted by Physicist Dave Rogers

Speaking as a person with a PhD in Physics who has peer reviewed papers, I would have advised rejection of this paper for publication in any serious scientific journal, quite possibly without the option of a re-write. I started writing down my reasons, but quite frankly I don't have time. Suffice it to say, this is not a scientific paper, follows nothing remotely similar to scientific methodology, contains numerous obvious errors, unsupported assertions and misceptions about many subjects including the nature of controlled demolitions, contradicts its own findings in places, and appears at times to be deliberately attempting to mislead the reader. It has been extensively criticised elsewhere, and I have little to add except one point I haven't seen emphasised:

Jones claims that the liquid running from one of the corners of one of the WTC towers cannot be aluminium and must therefore be molten steel. From the emission colour he estimates its temperature at 1000 C. Elsewhere in the paper he quotes the melting point of structural steel as 1510 C. His own analysis therefore contradicts his own conclusions. For him to have published such a thing suggests a serious loss of ability for self-criticism that is unacceptable in a serious scientist.

Overall this paper is an appallingly bad piece of scientific analysis.

More tearing apart of steven jones' worthless horseshit:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...2&postcount=77

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...6&postcount=96
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An interesting article
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/ar...conspiracy.htm

It just goes on and on. Steven Jones maybe a half decent, yet now unemployed, physicist but structural engineer nor demolitions expert he is not.

StuartD · 07-25-2008, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

How exactly is a building with that height and weight supposed to come down other than collapsing straight down? It should somehow collapse horizontally or something?

How about.... falling over?

Dirty F · 07-25-2008, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

How about.... falling over?

Why? Why would it do that?

StuartD · 07-25-2008, 04:59 AM

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Why? Why would it do that?

Because that's what every other building in the history of the world has done when it falls (other than controlled demolitions)?
Because that's what happens when something really big hits something really tall?
Because something with a huge hole in it is likely to have a weaker point on one side than the other and thus likely to fail on one side before the other?

Want more reasons?

biskoppen · 07-25-2008, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Malicious Biz

and do you honestly believe anyone with knowledge of the attacks, bush included, would just sit back and let thousands of people die? come the fuck on.

You do know how evil works right?
I'm not saying that Bush did it... but this is the exact same thing Hitler did... and it worked for him

biskoppen · 07-25-2008, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

How about.... falling over?

If the fire was in the lowest stories this could very well had happened, but it was in the upper stories.. and if you watch the videos you'll actually see that the part of the building above fire fires kinda fall over than the whole thing collapses.. the rest of it just goes pancake

Dirty F · 07-25-2008, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

Because that's what every other building in the history of the world has done when it falls (other than controlled demolitions)?
Because that's what happens when something really big hits something really tall?
Because something with a huge hole in it is likely to have a weaker point on one side than the other and thus likely to fail on one side before the other?

Want more reasons?

With the weight of all the levels above the point where it finally collapsed and the height of the building gravity simply does it job.

Malicious Biz · 07-25-2008, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by biskoppen

You do know how evil works right?
I'm not saying that Bush did it... but this is the exact same thing Hitler did... and it worked for him

Hitler, all his cronies, and all law enforcement privy to the knowledge sat back and let an outside terrorist attack take place that killed thousands of their own citizens without lifting one finger to prevent it?

Dirty F · 07-25-2008, 06:20 AM

A while back i saw a Dutch demolition expert on tv who looked at the footage of the building collapses. To him there was nothing weird about the fact that it came down the way it did...without explosives. Why do i prefer to believe him instead of you...oh yeah i know why.

Malicious Biz · 07-25-2008, 06:27 AM

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Hitler, all his cronies, and all law enforcement privy to the knowledge sat back and let an outside terrorist attack take place that killed thousands of their own citizens without lifting one finger to prevent it?

And if you think its even remotely plausible that Bush and co. did the above you're a god damn moron. simple as that.

I hate bush and his crew as much as the next guy, but never in a million years will you ever convince me that those fucking failures are actually criminal masterminds of the highest order to pull off such a crime flawlessly as the 9-11 truthers expect you to believe.

I would have to turn my brain off and throw all capacity of logic and reason out the fucking window.

cykoe6 · 07-25-2008, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Malicious Biz

Bill Clinton couldn't get away with a blow job and Nixon Couldn't get away with a two-bit burglary. But yet you idiots think that the most inept presidential administration in recent history pulled off the crime of the century?

LOL.

Do not try to confuse the troofers with logic or commons sense. They wear the tin foil specifically to block that stuff out.

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Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	just do a search on google or youtube for 9/11 loose change + popular mechanics. Watch the video of them getting PWN3D by the engineers from the magazine, and then come back and tell US what YOU think about 911 loose change. __________________ sig too big

07-24-2008, 11:09 PM	#9
Malicious Biz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Put Shoe On Head Plz Posts: 4,575

07-24-2008, 11:14 PM	#10
MediaGuy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Montrealquebecanada Posts: 5,500	OK. You're right. Why spend billions to demolish old buildings when we can just set a desk on fire and have the whole thing come down symetrically. It's a conspiracy by demolition companies to preserve their market. What a joke. "Collapse" lol __________________ YOU Are Industry News! Press Releases: pr[at]payoutmag.com Facebook: Payout Magazine! Facebook: MIKEB! ICQ: 248843947 Skype: Mediaguy1

07-24-2008, 11:21 PM	#11
Malicious Biz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Put Shoe On Head Plz Posts: 4,575	Tell me truthers, exactly how much of your childhoods was spend eating the delicious lead flavored paint chips from your bedroom window sill? Anyone who thinks 9-11 was an inside job is a self-deluded gullible idiot.

07-24-2008, 11:32 PM	#13
Malicious Biz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Put Shoe On Head Plz Posts: 4,575	Bill Clinton couldn't get away with a blow job and Nixon Couldn't get away with a two-bit burglary. But yet you idiots think that the most inept presidential administration in recent history pulled off the crime of the century? LOL.

07-24-2008, 11:40 PM	#15
MediaGuy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Montrealquebecanada Posts: 5,500	Perfect symetry in a so-called pancake collapse of steel structured buildings just isn't possible - especially three times in a row, with regular fuel fires, for the first (three) times in history. Unless all the beams were somehow heated at smelter temperatures for about 2 or three hours? An hour. The "fires" burned for an hour. And then 70 stories came straight down as if they were jello. Please. Plus, watching them that day, you could see they were blowing shit out hundreds of yards. There's no collapse there. __________________ YOU Are Industry News! Press Releases: pr[at]payoutmag.com Facebook: Payout Magazine! Facebook: MIKEB! ICQ: 248843947 Skype: Mediaguy1

07-24-2008, 11:45 PM	#17
moeloubani Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 4,235	Inside job? I don't think so. But I'm just not sure how Bush knew 2 hours after it happened who did it. If he knew they were going to do it, why didn't he stop them?

07-25-2008, 02:51 AM	#35
moeloubani Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 4,235	Again man? Again just to be embarrassed? Did you even read that page you linked? What about this part? Jones conducted research at the Idaho National Laboratory, in Arco, Idaho where, from 1979 to 1985, he was a senior engineering specialist. He was principal investigator for experimental muon-catalyzed fusion from 1982 to 1991 for the U.S. Department of Energy, Division of Advanced Energy Projects. From 1990 to 1993, Jones studied fusion in condensed matter physics and deuterium under U.S. Department of Energy and Electric Power Research Institute sponsorship. Jones also collaborated in experiments at other physics labs, including TRIUMF (Vancouver, British Columbia), KEK (Tsukuba, Japan), and the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory at Oxford University. Now does he know what he's talking about? Anyways it's 6 am and I haven't gone to bed yet. Good night! Oh and... You just can't!

07-25-2008, 03:01 AM	#38
moeloubani Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 4,235	Typing in my sleep. Still able to best your efforts. Controversial at MIT is different than controversial at a Mormon University. Again, engineering is the practical application of physics. Without physics engineering is nothing. So far removed from one another? Engineering relies 100% on physics. Even a child WOULD understand. You sure you should be here? Try again! Will answer in a few hours!

07-25-2008, 06:20 AM	#48
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	A while back i saw a Dutch demolition expert on tv who looked at the footage of the building collapses. To him there was nothing weird about the fact that it came down the way it did...without explosives. Why do i prefer to believe him instead of you...oh yeah i know why.