Is the industry kicking your ass? Then step inside. - GoFuckYourself.com

LAJ · 08-01-2008, 09:13 AM

http://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=m...le &sid=47464

You nailed it Avalanche.

seeric · 08-01-2008, 09:25 AM

there's money everywhere. go find it.

LAJ · 08-01-2008, 09:30 AM

This falls in line with what you were saying the other day Airek regarding less bitching and more working. I commend you as well.

BradM · 08-01-2008, 09:33 AM

Great article - and very true.

SykkBoy · 08-01-2008, 09:50 AM

yup, very true

get back to work and stop letting other people on boards determine how you do business...

ManuelX · 08-01-2008, 09:57 AM

yeahh, too true

LAJ · 08-01-2008, 10:05 AM

Sadly, this will fall on many deaf ears.

stickyfingerz · 08-01-2008, 10:06 AM

Reminds me I never got to what we talked about. Ill try to do that this week coming up. Been crazy.

C H R I S · 08-01-2008, 10:11 AM

I agree, and there has been little or no innovation coming out of adult. Get back to work and build the better moustrap.

Jens Van Assterdam · 08-01-2008, 10:16 AM

Work? What is that supposed to mean?
I thought that was a millionairs club type of forum here.

96ukssob · 08-01-2008, 10:17 AM

great read and its 100% true. people now adays are to lazy IMO. they expect that the free TGP or blog software + sponsors FHG + $20 in traffic they buy will make them millions.

dont get me wrong, the promo tools from teh sponsors are great, but people need to learn how to use them. i have a lot of friends that ask me to help them set up websites because they think it is easy and only an hour of work a day... not true at all.

IMO, the key thing I try to do is make my sites, galleries and all around business model a bit different than everyone else. if you keep using the same FHGs that 1000's of other webmasters are using to fill your TGPs and rely on the script to chop thumbs, what makes you think that surfer will sign up under your FHG when they have already seen it 100 times before?

Barefootsies · 08-01-2008, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

there's money everywhere. go find it.

Dwreck · 08-01-2008, 10:31 AM

really well done i wish i could offer some input but I agree 100%!!!!!

StuartD · 08-01-2008, 10:44 AM

"viola they have a fully functional TGP."

It's "voila".

This is a viola:

seeric · 08-01-2008, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAJ

This falls in line with what you were saying the other day Airek regarding less bitching and more working. I commend you as well.

There just becomes a point where talking about stuff is futile. Things won't change and no one is going to stop doing business with anyone, whether they say they are or not.

I am guilty of it myself.

Not anymore.

LAJ · 08-01-2008, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StuartD

"viola they have a fully functional TGP."

It's "voila".

This is a viola:

Ah of course! When offering substance isn't an option, it's always good to be the spelchekr.

Thanks for proving the point of the article!

B2BwithJoeD · 08-01-2008, 11:42 AM

The industry is kicking mine

I could not be busier

Good article Jay, as Chris shared above it always comes back to the dreaded 'I' word - innovation - which used to be appended to the online adult entertainment industry...not so much anymore...

And anyone with a great innovation should bring it to Island Gathering 8 where there are more CEOs as a percentage of attendees than at any other event - and Epoch.com just happens to be giving away a free trip to IG8 this year!

StuartD · 08-01-2008, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAJ

Ah of course! When offering substance isn't an option, it's always good to be the spelchekr.

Thanks for proving the point of the article!

I just like for articles with a perfect message to be perfect themselves

Plus, the whole "viola" thing is a pet peeve

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-01-2008, 11:56 AM

Sorry man, boring artical I couldnt read through it all.
Same old story same old non answer's. I do not think I needed another "re-cap" on the industry summed up in 3 paragraphs again.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-01-2008, 12:02 PM

PS: I thought ya were above telling people to work at Starbucks or Wendys because they are trolls and mindless drones on boards;/

If it were not for mindless trolls and drones you wouldnt have a pulpit/soapbox to stand and preach on. Lets face the fact that industry is actually quite boring and success is not measured by how long and hard you work, success is measured by working smarter and working less while getting paid more for doing nothing.

pornguy · 08-01-2008, 12:02 PM

Yep lots of bitching going on lately. But hey that happens in this business. Kind of like people not helping others.

LAJ · 08-01-2008, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StuartD

I just like for articles with a perfect message to be perfect themselves

Plus, the whole "viola" thing is a pet peeve

OK fair enough. I'll slap the editor.

RyuLion · 08-01-2008, 12:09 PM

no problems on my end..I'm just a little lazy..

LAJ · 08-01-2008, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Sorry man, boring artical I couldnt read through it all.
Same old story same old non answer's. I do not think I needed another "re-cap" on the industry summed up in 3 paragraphs again.

Well ya can't please all the people all the time. If you have any answers and feel like sharing in this thread, then cool.

OMG Jim · 08-01-2008, 12:15 PM

Very well written Jack and honestly I think that most seasoned webmasters will agree with your observations. I surely do.

Now for your question...
Is the industry kicking your ass??

The answer here is "Hell No". We have been and continue to "Kick Ass" in this industry as we have for over six years now.

How have we done it? There is no one simple answer to this as we all know but bottom line is exactly what Jack is talking about.... we WORK at it and don't believe in all the negative hype that seems to have spread throughout the industry like the kudzu here in Georgia.

Excerpt from Avalance/Jack

Ultimately, create a site that is original, has something that involves the surfer...
We have a studio based webcam program like very few others in that we offer Free Nude Viewing of our shows anytime vs. other programs that offer only Free teaser chat with "No Free Nudity". Great for the surfer and great for potential customers. Plus we also offer ALL first time users of our product 200 Free chat tokens equaling 20 minutes of chat time.
ORIGINAL in the fact that it is live content that is different every time someone visits the site and definitely INVOLVES the surfer.

If you?re like me you try to spend as little time on the boards as possible simply due to the fact that they seem to be infested with fake nicks, bots, surfers, and keyboard warriors... don?t become one of the mindless drones that fill this industry.

So true Jack but the boards can be like crack to many and it takes a lot of willpower to "Stay Away"

There is only one solution that I can offer for the state of the industry and that?s get back to work! We need to get back in touch with what is necessary to succeed in any industry, hard work and dedication.

Sounds like this should be the new mantra for the Adult Industry now...

Get Back To WORK!
_

maalox · 08-01-2008, 12:22 PM

Good article!
It's making me work a little harder.
Thanks for sharing
~Maalox

CarlosTheGaucho · 08-01-2008, 12:35 PM

I definiitely can spot a very much regular wave of collective board hysteria anytime there is something that's "hurting" the sales, painting a devil on the wall and hailing it then is a great hobby to most, yet I doubt 5 pct. of those involved are actually really serious about what they do.

JFK · 08-01-2008, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAJ

This falls in line with what you were saying the other day Airek regarding less bitching and more working. I commend you as well.

the harder I work, the luckier I get

GUNNER · 08-01-2008, 12:42 PM

Great article and well written. I'm not convinced Jack wrote it, maybe it's plagiarized. I mean, have you ever met the guy? No way he came up with something that intelligent all by himself.

MissMina · 08-01-2008, 12:51 PM

Good article..

PornNewz · 08-01-2008, 01:43 PM

Great Article!!!!

davecummings · 08-01-2008, 02:06 PM

Avalanche/Jack is one sharp guy who is right on-target!

myjah · 08-01-2008, 02:24 PM

Word. Well written and true.

MrMaxwell · 08-01-2008, 02:31 PM

I am just here collecting dust
I haven't known how the internet really works for a long time
But I can tell you my famous quote surely does apply as it is timeless
"This ain't gradeschool, mother fuckers."

DaddyHalbucks · 08-01-2008, 02:37 PM

Think outside the box.

Big Red Machine · 08-01-2008, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Think outside the box.

Fuck the Box

08-01-2008, 09:13 AM	#1
LAJ Gingerific Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Austin Posts: 5,567	Is the industry kicking your ass? Then step inside. http://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=m...le &sid=47464 You nailed it Avalanche. __________________ YNOT.com - The original industry resource email jay at ynot dot com or skype LAJConsulting

08-01-2008, 09:30 AM	#3
LAJ Gingerific Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Austin Posts: 5,567	This falls in line with what you were saying the other day Airek regarding less bitching and more working. I commend you as well. __________________ YNOT.com - The original industry resource email jay at ynot dot com or skype LAJConsulting

08-01-2008, 09:50 AM	#5
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08-01-2008, 10:05 AM	#7
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08-01-2008, 10:11 AM	#9
C H R I S Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Marina Del Rey Posts: 10,842	I agree, and there has been little or no innovation coming out of adult. Get back to work and build the better moustrap. __________________ C H R I S Retired Porn Veteran BH4L

08-01-2008, 09:25 AM	#2
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	there's money everywhere. go find it.

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BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	Great article - and very true.

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stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,983	Reminds me I never got to what we talked about. Ill try to do that this week coming up. Been crazy.

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08-01-2008, 11:42 AM	#17
B2BwithJoeD Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: PayoutMag.com Posts: 1,390	The industry is kicking mine I could not be busier Good article Jay, as Chris shared above it always comes back to the dreaded 'I' word - innovation - which used to be appended to the online adult entertainment industry...not so much anymore... And anyone with a great innovation should bring it to Island Gathering 8 where there are more CEOs as a percentage of attendees than at any other event - and Epoch.com just happens to be giving away a free trip to IG8 this year! __________________ BLOG IT! How Will You Spend Your 2014 Profits? - PayoutMag.com Ask me About - Unique Processing and Marketing Solutions - Your Only Risk Is More Revenue!

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08-01-2008, 12:15 PM	#25
OMG Jim Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 3,153	Very well written Jack and honestly I think that most seasoned webmasters will agree with your observations. I surely do. Now for your question... Is the industry kicking your ass?? The answer here is "Hell No". We have been and continue to "Kick Ass" in this industry as we have for over six years now. How have we done it? There is no one simple answer to this as we all know but bottom line is exactly what Jack is talking about.... we WORK at it and don't believe in all the negative hype that seems to have spread throughout the industry like the kudzu here in Georgia. Excerpt from Avalance/Jack Ultimately, create a site that is original, has something that involves the surfer... We have a studio based webcam program like very few others in that we offer Free Nude Viewing of our shows anytime vs. other programs that offer only Free teaser chat with "No Free Nudity". Great for the surfer and great for potential customers. Plus we also offer ALL first time users of our product 200 Free chat tokens equaling 20 minutes of chat time. ORIGINAL in the fact that it is live content that is different every time someone visits the site and definitely INVOLVES the surfer. If you?re like me you try to spend as little time on the boards as possible simply due to the fact that they seem to be infested with fake nicks, bots, surfers, and keyboard warriors... don?t become one of the mindless drones that fill this industry. So true Jack but the boards can be like crack to many and it takes a lot of willpower to "Stay Away" There is only one solution that I can offer for the state of the industry and that?s get back to work! We need to get back in touch with what is necessary to succeed in any industry, hard work and dedication. Sounds like this should be the new mantra for the Adult Industry now... Get Back To WORK! _ __________________ ICQ: 254 914 537 - Skype: AlmightyJim

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