Wal-Mart - no pressure employee voters.. as long as you vote Republican

[Tom_PM]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4314198.shtml

http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/01/news...es/walmart.ap/

Only saving grace is that with thier hiring and firing practices, very few current employees who are legal citizens will still be employed by November.

Oh noes, a union means we'll have to pay a living wage and stop hiring temporary part-timers who we turn over before their health benefit eligibility date.
It's the end of the world.

[pornguy]

That place is so fucked up. Its amazing that they get away with firing someone that wants to start a union.

TIme to call the teamsters

[TubeTitans_SusieQ]

OH My Goodness

[stickyfingerz]

Fuck unions.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Fuck unions.

Sticky please share why you have that opinion? I read that article,that's why I don't shop at walmart or samsclub fuck them.

[junction]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Fuck unions.

Care to elaborate?

[TheDoc]

Several private Unions have changed into organized crime rings with the control and influence they have over the company, the people in the union and often local, state, and federal level politics.

Just the idea that a company needs a union in today standards tells you that the company/branch probably shouldn't be around.

All unions, private and public should be blocked from doing anything political, period. The Unions views should not be forced on a single persons views. As well, that persons money should not be used on views they may not agree with.

They should not be allowed to lobby either, in short - they should only have local power within the company, forced to have a focus on all employees, and not just members, without harassment.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4314198.shtml

http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/01/news...es/walmart.ap/

Only saving grace is that with thier hiring and firing practices, very few current employees who are legal citizens will still be employed by November.

Oh noes, a union means we'll have to pay a living wage and stop hiring temporary part-timers who we turn over before their health benefit eligibility date.
It's the end of the world.

They tried to setup a union in Canada for a Wallmart store.. Wallmart closed the store down. Wallmart is extremely aggressive when they want something (or don't want something)...

[_Richard_]

next there is going to be lynchings..

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Several private Unions have changed into organized crime rings with the control and influence they have over the company, the people in the union and often local, state, and federal level politics.

Just the idea that a company needs a union in today standards tells you that the company/branch probably shouldn't be around.

All unions, private and public should be blocked from doing anything political, period. The Unions views should not be forced on a single persons views. As well, that persons money should not be used on views they may not agree with.

They should not be allowed to lobby either, in short - they should only have local power within the company, forced to have a focus on all employees, and not just members, without harassment.

TheDoc Elaborated for me.

[V_RocKs]

I wipe my ass with Walmart (toilet paper).

[Supz]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4314198.shtml

http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/01/news...es/walmart.ap/

Only saving grace is that with thier hiring and firing practices, very few current employees who are legal citizens will still be employed by November.

Oh noes, a union means we'll have to pay a living wage and stop hiring temporary part-timers who we turn over before their health benefit eligibility date.
It's the end of the world.

I didn't think walmart had a benefits starting date. I don't think they even offer them.

[sltr]

there's no place for unions in the 21st century.

[junction]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Several private Unions have changed into organized crime rings with the control and influence they have over the company, the people in the union and often local, state, and federal level politics.

Are the Unions Organized crime rings? How does the "power and influence" they have different from the "power and influence" corporate lobbyists wield?

Just the idea that a company needs a union in today standards tells you that the company/branch probably shouldn't be around.

I'll give you credit there. After the Unions forced companies to provide a safe work enviornment, living wage, and retirement, the Government stepped up and created Labor Laws.

All unions, private and public should be blocked from doing anything political, period. The Unions views should not be forced on a single persons views. As well, that persons money should not be used on views they may not agree with.

Just the Unions should be blocked from doing anything Political? Why not the big corporations too? The point of this thread was Wal-Mart forcing their views regarding politics on their employees. Why is it ok for them?

They should not be allowed to lobby either, in short - they should only have local power within the company, forced to have a focus on all employees, and not just members, without harassment.

Again, should big business not be allowed to lobby? Why should a union have to focus on non-members? The whole point of being a member to a union is the benefits mebership brings with it. Non members do benefit in certain industries.

Let me ask you and stickyfingerz this:

What has the union done for you and your family?

[tenletters]

i can't believe anyone working at wal-mart deserves more than minimum wage. Personally I don't give a shit if wal-mart hired all illegal mexicans (the checkouts are self serve anyway) if it would mean my blu-rays went down a few bucks a piece.

Damn I'm in a bad mood today.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Several private Unions have changed into organized crime rings with the control and influence they have over the company, the people in the union and often local, state, and federal level politics.

That's the whole point. Giving the little guy a voice. Corporations have major influence on all levels of politics as well, I don't see how this is any different from what they are doing.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Just the idea that a company needs a union in today standards tells you that the company/branch probably shouldn't be around.

That would mean the closing of just about every school, airline, and sports league in the country. In many cases, the unions have done wonders for the employees (just look at what some of these athletes are making).

Originally Posted by TheDoc

All unions, private and public should be blocked from doing anything political, period. The Unions views should not be forced on a single persons views. As well, that persons money should not be used on views they may not agree with.

They should not be allowed to lobby either, in short - they should only have local power within the company, forced to have a focus on all employees, and not just members, without harassment.

I don't understand your point of view. You're saying that a company should be allowed to lobby and participate in politics all they want, but employees who group together should not? Seems kind of unfair that only the wealthy business owners have a voice in Washington. I take it the first amendment only applies to certain people in your mind.

And I'm not for unions. I think they are a waste of money and unnecessary 90% of the time in this era. But if a group of people choose to pool together behind a cause, I see no reason why they should not be allowed to. Your statement about a union's views not being forced on individuals could be used to say that political parties should be banned from dealing in Washington.

Blocking them from having any voice seems quite fascist in nature.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by junction

Are the Unions Organized crime rings? How does the "power and influence" they have different from the "power and influence" corporate lobbyists wield?

In a different post, about the presidents the other day, I stated Lobbyists shouldn't be banned. However, the difference is the corporation doesn't force its views on the employees, for sure not taking the employees money and donating it how they see fit.

Originally Posted by junction

Just the Unions should be blocked from doing anything Political? Why not the big corporations too? The point of this thread was Wal-Mart forcing their views regarding politics on their employees. Why is it ok for them?

The big corporation don't force employees to have the same views. Normally you will see the office go one way and the upper level go another, how it should be.

Originally Posted by junction

Again, should big business not be allowed to lobby? Why should a union have to focus on non-members? The whole point of being a member to a union is the benefits mebership brings with it. Non members do benefit in certain industries.

Problem is, if you don't join a union, you get hassled, pressure, no help, excluded from company events, and the list goes on. Some companies don't have the services, at the company level, to help the employee, since the union controls it all. Being so, the non-member does not get processed or any help at all.

Originally Posted by junction

What has the union done for you and your family?

I have been in two unions and my father in-law was the president of one. I'm not sure what a union doing it's job for me, has to do with this. When a company, that isn't full of greed and total crap does the same thing, without the dues or pressure.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by tony404

Sticky please share why you have that opinion? I read that article,that's why I don't shop at walmart or samsclub fuck them.

Sticky is a neo-con. It's his opinion that if someone gives you a job you should be grateful and not complain about hours, working conditions, benefits or pay. An employer should be able to treat you like a piece of garbage because if you are working that kind of job you obvious were to lazy to go to college or too stupid to get in therefore rights don't apply to you.

[Eriic]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Fuck unions.

People gave their lives to start Unions, you are an Ignorant Fuck

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by tenletters

i can't believe anyone working at wal-mart deserves more than minimum wage. Personally I don't give a shit if wal-mart hired all illegal mexicans (the checkouts are self serve anyway) if it would mean my blu-rays went down a few bucks a piece.

Damn I'm in a bad mood today.

Our wal-amrt is only 2 years old adsn has ZERO "self-serve" checkouts. And I wuld never use one anyways. tried em don't like em.

As far as your blu-rays. May I suggest if you make so little as to not be able to afford a blu-ray movie get a job at wal-mart. Plus you'll get 10% off.

[TheDoc]

[QUOTE=pocketkangaroo;14547716]That's the whole point. Giving the little guy a voice. Corporations have major influence on all levels of politics as well, I don't see how this is any different from what they are doing.

No, the point is to help the people when the company abuses its power. I feel the company shouldn't be around if it has to have a union. Not that a union doesn't help a person.

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

That would mean the closing of just about every school, airline, and sports league in the country. In many cases, the unions have done wonders for the employees (just look at what some of these athletes are making).

Why close them? They shouldn't be allowed to donate my money to a political cause that I don't agree with.

Public unions are different than private, however both should not be allowed to voice political views.

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I don't understand your point of view. You're saying that a company should be allowed to lobby and participate in politics all they want, but employees who group together should not? Seems kind of unfair that only the wealthy business owners have a voice in Washington. I take it the first amendment only applies to certain people in your mind.

I don't think anyone should be allowed to lobby. But it's stiff different to have a company lobby vs a union. A member of the union may not agree to the view, but yet still has to pay. An employee of the company, can have a totally different view, with no problems from the company, and was not forced to pay - and support the company view either.

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Blocking them from having any voice seems quite fascist in nature.

A union is an organization to help the people. The money it has, is from the people. It should not be allowed to donate multi-millions and millions to anything. At that, it shouldn't have multi-millions to donate or it's being more greedy than the company they tried to correct the greed from.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Eriic

People gave their lives to start Unions, you are an Ignorant Fuck

I don't support war, at any cost. That doesn't mean I don't support our fallen heroes of past wars.

Unions, once were a very needed thing in this country, and in some industries they are still very much needed. But nobody, with any logic or fairness is going to say unions are the same as they used to be.

As one example, teachers union, a totally horrible, bad, totally shit teacher can't be fired because of the union and some dumb ass rule they got to protect totally crap employees.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I don't think anyone should be allowed to lobby. But it's stiff different to have a company lobby vs a union. A member of the union may not agree to the view, but yet still has to pay. An employee of the company, can have a totally different view, with no problems from the company, and was not forced to pay - and support the company view either.

So I assume you have the same distaste for public companies as you do for unions. I mean when a company lobbies in Washington, they are speaking for every shareholder.

They also don't "have to pay". They aren't held at gunpoint to take a job and join the union. They are also given a right to vote for their union leaders.

If you're saying no one should pay in anything unless they have complete control of where that money goes to would basically discount our entire government which is built on that premise.

[baddog]

Unions outlived their usefulness.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by baddog

Unions outlived their usefulness.

To some. I'm sure Major League baseball players would have a different point of view.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

As one example, teachers union, a totally horrible, bad, totally shit teacher can't be fired because of the union and some dumb ass rule they got to protect totally crap employees.

It's a catch-22 though. Yes there are situations like you stated above. There are also situations where people are fired for the wrong reasons and a union steps in to protect them. When a safety condition exists that a union helps resolve (as the unions recently did for pilots the other day). When a police officer has to shoot someone out of self-defense, it's his union that defends him.

But this shouldn't be about if they are good or bad for people. That's up for each individual to decide on their own and whether they want to be a part of one. Making them illegal seems to go against our most basic principles of freedom.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

To some. I'm sure Major League baseball players would have a different point of view.

I know how do those baseball players live on such a wage?

[sltr]

i
m happy to pay $125 a seat to attend a major league baseball game. those players need to pay for their steroids, unique whips, homes, and divorces.

[kicks]

I am not going to bother quoting all of the serious misconceptions of a union. The biggest one is the Union lobbying for something that an individual member in the union may not approve of. The fact is a Union follows its majority of members wishes and of course what is good for the Union should be good for it's members. Still that individual member can vote how ever the hell he wants. He is not going to catch anymore shit from me than anyone else that voted for bush as example. And yes I have Union Brothers that voted for him for fear of gun control. It was their choice.

Next is crying about Unions don't help anyone that does not pay. Remove webmaster from this right away but almost every job around and most employees in America have benefited from Unions. You can name almost any trade and Unions have helped non union as well as union. Non union people wouldn't make what they make now is not for the unions. I know, heard it before how Unions are not needed anymore. What bullshit, Unions wont be needed anymore when there is no more greed, no more workers being killed on the job and employers not fucking their employees at every turn.

Have Unions ever been corrupt, sure some have but I dont think you can name any branch of government or any industry that when tempted by large sums of money corruption has not taken place. They are far from all being corrupt or about fucking a company. They are about getting fair wages for the workers, some of which happen to be very skilled. Some trade unions handle training some of the highest skilled people around.

True, I don't know that a Union could train a greeter better than walmart but they could make sure the person actually can pay their bills.

I was asked once by a Hospital administrator why our local union was so pissed at his hospital and I explained that they used non union labor for their projects. The bids by the way historically come in just under Union companies. He said the non union companies had the lowest bid, we should lower our labor rates so our employers could win the bids. I pointed out, the union companies have insurance for the workers, we pay our medical bills, the non union companies employees have no insurance and they don't pay theirs. So let's be honest, which bid is really cheaper? The hospital losses our busienss to one that uses union labor and they also get to make other people pay for the non union employees medical care plus they got substandard workmanship. Cool aint it!

So I say think about it when you are at the hospital next time and being prepped for surgery. Not like worrying about having a good surgeon is not enough, now you can worry what if the electricians were not ever really trained, and didn't have a license that hooked up all that stuff that will keep you alive. When you get the bill you can wonder how much that bill would be lower if not for all those low lifes that dont have health insurance and cant pay their bills. Hell they should have better jobs.... right?

Not all non union companies are shit, not all, dont really train their people, not all cut every corner they can, not all do substandard work.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by kicks

The fact is a Union follows its majority of members wishes and of course what is good for the Union should be good for it's members.

[tenletters]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Our wal-amrt is only 2 years old adsn has ZERO "self-serve" checkouts. And I wuld never use one anyways. tried em don't like em.

As far as your blu-rays. May I suggest if you make so little as to not be able to afford a blu-ray movie get a job at wal-mart. Plus you'll get 10% off.

hmmm 10% off you say....

actually I was going for humor in my previous post and must apologize because even though to know me is to love me, most here don't know me.

[kicks]

Nothing is perfect and I am not trying to say all unions are. Hell I dont know why a baseball player needs a union but I respect their right to have one. I don't personally however respect any union that has agreements that do not allow for the termination of any employee for just cause... of course I don't have any respect for any school district official that would sign such agreement either.

baddog...
I know what you mean, it just don't happen that way all the time. Kinda like our union of states voting for a leader and expecting them to do what is best for all of us or to do what the majority of the people want, that don't happen all the time either.