aff managers who have 0 traffic, 0 traffic exp, and 0 traffic know how - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

harvey · 08-06-2008, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

Thanks, Harvey

And you're right, the "It's easy, I'll hit the (fill in the blank) niche by buying a bunch of (fill in the blank) content" approach is why there are so many hundreds or thousands of paysites out there that are basically just taking up space.

And BTW, the noobs or the people here who don't know Harvey should read, then reread, and then re-re-read all of his posts (and not just in this thread) --- he's one of the few here who knows the biz from a multitude of perspectives, and has done a bunch of different things very, very well. He GETS it, and when he shares info, it's worth reading and remembering

I blushed

xmas13 · 08-06-2008, 02:19 PM

What's wrong with the hiring of sexy ladies as aff reps?

MikeSmoke · 08-06-2008, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xmas13

What's wrong with the hiring of sexy ladies as aff reps?

Not a thing, but unless they've paid their dues as a webmaster and know as much as I do (not naming names because I don't want to leave anyone out - there are definitely some pros who do affiliate rep work) --- they should stick to buying drinks, not "checking out your sites to help you filter and target your traffic better"

MikeSmoke · 08-06-2008, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harvey

I blushed

aw

Sarah_Jayne · 08-07-2008, 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harvey

I might add around 90% of sites catering to specific fetishes or microniches don't have any idea about what they're doing. And it happens even on big niches, ie I'm surprised at big boobs sites, other than Score I still haven't found a big boobs site really knowing what big boobs lovers are looking for. Or just BOOBS lovers, as we're at it. Everybody thinks: "OK, she has big boobs. Done" And the big boobs are just the "vehicle" to get to the real object of desire, so any boobs sponsor using that would increase their conversions greatly, but problem is this industry uses the kind of "affiliate representatives" Brand0n and MikeSmoke mentions. And the whole concept of "marketing" is just a guy who pays for drinks. And let alone research, psychology, business engineering, etc that simply doesn't exist. And those who have it don't tell anyone

Even as an account rep I will say that it is true that most webmasters don't even have a clue when it comes to micro-niche. As my own webmaster, the vast majority of what I do is micro-niche and 'real' fetishes.

The prime reason I got into doing AVS so long back was because most webmasters or companies don't properly understand those niches and if I took the time to actually learn what those surfers wanted I could put up 200 pages on a very amateur looking AVS site and outsell any paysites in the micro-niche/fetish that might happen to exist (often many didn't).

That isn't just a rep thing it is a webmaster thing overall and I am kind of glad (from a webmaster perspective this time) that my micro-niches and 'real' fetishes aren't widely understood by other webmasters or it would harder for me to stand out as one of the few sites that do 'get them'.

I started in this industry in the BBW market and even to this day the vast majority of BBW sites put out by big companies don't really understand the market and put up insulting tours and the like. So, I get the frustration of trying to be 'sold' sites that miss the mark with your niche or fetish.

Where I do think it starts to come down to the rep or affiliate support is if they try to lie to you about understanding the ins and out of a niche or market when they don't. If I am promoting a fetish and somebody doesn't know a huge deal about it I would rather they be honest with me.

That is the stance I will always take with my Max Cash affiliates. We don't have many niches I haven't worked with enough to understand but I am never going to pretend to know the total ins and outs of every aspect of every niche.

For example, with the Ebony stuff (just grabbing something out of my head)..I had done some sites in the past and played enough with the traffic to get the basics. Yet, I know that there is a whole other layer to the market where I might not know the names of all the hottest ebony pornstars, or all the micro-niches within the larger market. Since taking this job I have researched those aspects more so that I can help my accounts but I will never lie to them and say I am a total expert.

What I am an expert on is what ebony sites we have, how they do for various types of traffic, what tools we have and what wording has been working for those I have helped,etc. If I put that on top of the aspects of traffic generation and SEO that I am knowledgeable on and which cover sites in general then hopefully I am going to be able to help when needed even on a niche that isn't my Mastermind subject.

Now, dare somebody ask me about the niches that are my Mastermind subjects and then the problem might be getting me to shut up (like now) ;)

If more affiliate support reps were more honest then perhaps there would be less feeling of them trying to pull something on you for an extra couple hits.

harvey · 08-07-2008, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

Even as an account rep I will say that it is true that most webmasters don't even have a clue when it comes to micro-niche. As my own webmaster, the vast majority of what I do is micro-niche and 'real' fetishes.

The prime reason I got into doing AVS so long back was because most webmasters or companies don't properly understand those niches and if I took the time to actually learn what those surfers wanted I could put up 200 pages on a very amateur looking AVS site and outsell any paysites in the micro-niche/fetish that might happen to exist (often many didn't).

That isn't just a rep thing it is a webmaster thing overall and I am kind of glad (from a webmaster perspective this time) that my micro-niches and 'real' fetishes aren't widely understood by other webmasters or it would harder for me to stand out as one of the few sites that do 'get them'.

I started in this industry in the BBW market and even to this day the vast majority of BBW sites put out by big companies don't really understand the market and put up insulting tours and the like. So, I get the frustration of trying to be 'sold' sites that miss the mark with your niche or fetish.

Where I do think it starts to come down to the rep or affiliate support is if they try to lie to you about understanding the ins and out of a niche or market when they don't. If I am promoting a fetish and somebody doesn't know a huge deal about it I would rather they be honest with me.

That is the stance I will always take with my Max Cash affiliates. We don't have many niches I haven't worked with enough to understand but I am never going to pretend to know the total ins and outs of every aspect of every niche.

For example, with the Ebony stuff (just grabbing something out of my head)..I had done some sites in the past and played enough with the traffic to get the basics. Yet, I know that there is a whole other layer to the market where I might not know the names of all the hottest ebony pornstars, or all the micro-niches within the larger market. Since taking this job I have researched those aspects more so that I can help my accounts but I will never lie to them and say I am a total expert.

What I am an expert on is what ebony sites we have, how they do for various types of traffic, what tools we have and what wording has been working for those I have helped,etc. If I put that on top of the aspects of traffic generation and SEO that I am knowledgeable on and which cover sites in general then hopefully I am going to be able to help when needed even on a niche that isn't my Mastermind subject.

Now, dare somebody ask me about the niches that are my Mastermind subjects and then the problem might be getting me to shut up (like now) ;)

If more affiliate support reps were more honest then perhaps there would be less feeling of them trying to pull something on you for an extra couple hits.

well, you're right and I know you're a knowledgeable and experienced person in the business, however, the honesty part you mention at the end is a toughy. I mean, it isn't a problem for you, but most aff reps aren't in your position, and what are they going to say? "sorry, I have no clue"? In any case, problem starts when program owners hire people because of professional achievements like a high GFY post count or posting Tube Girl or whatever. You can make any question to MOST (NOT ALL!!!) aff reps and they won't have any clue but neither will have the program owners.

I think the ultimate example is Epass: you have Michael O and then a bunch of ignoramus who aren't able to tell even the date they're living on. However, they're still working there. I'm mentioning this because in another life I was a marketing manager for Citibank, Deutsche Bank and VISA (yeah, that was ANOTHER life

) and it amazes me what Epass let their people do. I wouldn't let them stary more than a week, nor any of my bosses would let me stay more than a week if I allowed what Epass allows. They even do things against their own interest, so how can you blame the soldiers when the generals are as knowledgeable as them?

08-06-2008, 02:19 PM	#52
xmas13 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: GFY Posts: 5,176	What's wrong with the hiring of sexy ladies as aff reps? __________________ ICQ 557504926