Looking for Real Pornographers

[Robert Day]

Hello everyone....

It is time I give some great advise as being the biggest international distributor in the world.

I have been watching everything, all niche content. Sales are down due to poor quality product. Gonzo video is over my friends, trust me it is done.
There is no essence to having a slightly cute girl fuck a guy with a huge cock on a couch anymore. Its been done more than any niche ever, whether it be teen, mature, milf or whatever. Its done.
People who shoot Gonzo are lazy looking for fast easy money.

I have noticed that sales have went up in plot series DVD's. Somewhat of a story, cheesy or not.

Let's go back to 1976 to 1981, the sales sky rocketed due to the big screen cinema type porn because it was shot produced much better than anything in porn coming out today.

Are there any real cinema film makers ready to shoot high quality story line porn?
If so I will look at your work and consider distributing a product that meets the demands of our QC department.
Most of my buyers are European, so you can make almost whatever topic you want.

Lets see who is who in the real demands of the porn world.

1... You need all new fresh talent both male and female. Stop using Voodoo in every cheesy plot

[NaughtyRob]

I think you are correct however, some niches are still gold... amateur for example.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Robert Day

People who shoot Gonzo are lazy looking for fast easy money.

Although I agree with most of what you have posted, the above quote is a crock of shit.

Several of my clients request gonzo. The fact that I honor their request does not make me lazy or looking for a fast buck.

[Robert Day]

Originally Posted by GetNaughty

I think you are correct however, some niches are still gold... amateur for example.

I am sorry Robert, I know what sells, amateur is over as well. GF, self shot does not convert
in the real DVD market.

I commented in another thread about a guy who asked about having real super hot twins who would do hardcore hint hint.
We need very high quality story lines, some that sets the viewer up to desire to watch thew film.

Most people who shoot Gonzo are not photographers or pornographers, they will not ever be hired in real film situations. Gonzo is the easiest form of porn produced.

[weekly]

whats wrong with a fast buck?

[NaughtyRob]

DVD maybe. Internet its selling like crazy.

Originally Posted by Robert Day

I am sorry Robert, I know what sells, amateur is over as well. GF, self shot does not convert
in the real DVD market.

I commented in another thread about a guy who asked about having real super hot twins who would do hardcore hint hint. We need very high quality story lines, some that sets the viewer up to desire to watch thew film.

Most people who shoot Gonzo are not photographers or pornographers, they will not ever be hired in real film situations. Gonzo is the easiest form of porn produced.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Robert Day

I am sorry Robert, I know what sells, amateur is over as well. GF, self shot does not convert in the real DVD market.

Personally, I don't give a shit about the DVD market and neither do most of the people on GFY.

Amateur, GF, self shot is FAR from over on the Internet.

[Robert Day]

Then stop wining about your sales being down, plus the tubes are stealing all of your products

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Robert Day

Then stop wining about your sales being down, plus the tubes are stealing all of your products

Show me one post where I complain about any of that.

[frank7799]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Personally, I don't give a shit about the DVD market and neither do most of the people on GFY.

Amateur, GF, self shot is FAR from over on the Internet.

Quoted for truth.
DVD market has died two years ago. GF content is the best selling product on the internet, at least for me.

[Robert Day]

Originally Posted by weekly

whats wrong with a fast buck?

Again this is why I am a multi billionare and you are not.
Temporary glory gets you no where fast.

I am still moving products from the late 70's and there is not one DVD or VHS that is produced in the late 80's to date that is selling.

[american pervert]

If someone paid me to shot whatver style they want, they got it. I've hired crews to build sets for whatever story line they want. You want gonzo or a vignette, I'll shoot it. But most companies are cheap and want it done cheap. I don't complain about tubes or stolen content. I've already been paid for my work and I don't get residuals so I could care less. I keep getting hired to shoot it.

[TMM_John]

What company do you represent?

[Robert Day]

Originally Posted by american pervert

If someone paid me to shot whatver style they want, they got it. I've hired crews to build sets for whatever story line they want. You want gonzo or a vignette, I'll shoot it. But most companies are cheap and what it done cheap. I don't complain about tubes or stolen content. I've already been paid for my work and I don't get residuals so I could care less. I keep getting hired to shoot it.

Well said....

However, it is time to make products that make millions, not a few thousand.
Most of you so far have looked at the smaller picture here defending lazy work
GF, self shot crap. That proves just how lazy you are. You want someone else to shoot him or herself while you make few bucks on it.

Us corporate icons think for the bigger picture, I came in here hoping to find those smart enough to understand what I am looking for. But so far it is what is what it is GFY.

Here is my last final hint.... Ever heard of the Film series Taboo? Another mention thread was about twins... We are talking multi million dollar block buster if done right.
It's time to think about the bigger picture and make a product that will create major controversy and generates sales for the next ten years.

[weekly]

Us corporate icons

I guess that about says it all......lmaorof

[Smokieflame]

I agree with alot of what you say and disagree with most of what you say. Within the DVD market you may be right, however even DVD sales have went more towards on demand, or downloadable there for removing those numbers from real DVD sales from stores. Internet, even tho there is theft, is the highest earning part of all adult sales. Nearly every dvd is either broken up on someones website, or being sold on demand. To top that off, major cities in America are drastically cutting down and evicting DVD store locations. If you have went to a Castle Boutique or any other major 90s adult stores they do not look they way they used to, they dont have any real traffic... The internet does.

As for your comment of being a multi-billionaire, I would have believed millionaire but are you fucking kidding me, your going to claim to be a multi-billionaire in the porn industry as a distributor? That makes 0 sense, i do not believe it, Im calling you on your BS! I actually know a few multi-millionaires that own websites and refuse to touch DVDs as it costs more to make them then you make off them. But then again I know a few millionaires who still keep there DVDs, i personally think its just a marketing tactic as most of them still make atleast 75% of there income off web sales.

[Robert Day]

Originally Posted by weekly

I guess that about says it all......lmaorof

You are absolutely right. It says it all.

So if you want to continue to shoot content that will sell for three months, and then become a small thumbnail in the next 6 months and no longer sell, so be it.
To each their own.

Will the real pornographers please stand up.

[Robbie]

Hey Robert Day. Forgive my ignorance, but I don't really know who you are. I was here at AEE talking to the guy who I thought was the biggest distributor: Frank at IVD

But if you say you are...I'm not gonna argue. But I will argue with you about you being a multi-billionaire and how you can sell DVDs today.

There are no billionaires that I know if in the porn business these days (especially with the stock market wiping most folks out)

And there are no DVDs selling worth a shit for the last 5 years. And the tubes are full of DVDs. That's the main thing on them. So if you are in the DVD business...newsflash: Your shit is already there for free.

No disrespect meant to you. As I said I don't know you and you may have had a ton of sucess in adult over the years for all I know. But "billionaire"? Pretty sure that would have made you a household name like Flynt and Hefner. And making millions selling DVDs in 2010? Highly unlikely. But maybe the adult stores didn't get that memo.

[Robert Day]

Originally Posted by Smokieflame

I agree with alot of what you say and disagree with most of what you say. Within the DVD market you may be right, however even DVD sales have went more towards on demand, or downloadable there for removing those numbers from real DVD sales from stores. Internet, even tho there is theft, is the highest earning part of all adult sales. Nearly every dvd is either broken up on someones website, or being sold on demand. To top that off, major cities in America are drastically cutting down and evicting DVD store locations. If you have went to a Castle Boutique or any other major 90s adult stores they do not look they way they used to, they dont have any real traffic... The internet does.

As for your comment of being a multi-billionaire, I would have believed millionaire but are you fucking kidding me, your going to claim to be a multi-billionaire in the porn industry as a distributor? That makes 0 sense, i do not believe it, Im calling you on your BS! I actually know a few multi-millionaires that own websites and refuse to touch DVDs as it costs more to make them then you make off them. But then again I know a few millionaires who still keep there DVDs, i personally think its just a marketing tactic as most of them still make atleast 75% of there income off web sales.

Hello Bobbi

[weekly]

Originally Posted by Robert Day

You are absolutely right. It says it all.

So if you want to continue to shoot content that will sell for three months, and then become a small thumbnail in the next 6 months and no longer sell, so be it.
To each their own.

Will the real pornographers please stand up.

For a billionaire, you don't read well. But I guess you can count

[american pervert]

Originally Posted by Robert Day

Well said....

However, it is time to make products that make millions, not a few thousand.
Most of you so far have looked at the smaller picture here defending lazy work
GF, self shot crap. That proves just how lazy you are. You want someone else to shoot him or herself while you make few bucks on it.

Us corporate icons think for the bigger picture, I came in here hoping to find those smart enough to understand what I am looking for. But so far it is what is what it is GFY.

Here is my last final hint.... Ever heard of the Film series Taboo? Another mention thread was about twins... We are talking multi million dollar block buster if done right.
It's time to think about the bigger picture and make a product that will create major controversy and generates sales for the next ten years.

You talk about how film sales skyrockted back in the day. but at the time there was less revenue streams to make your money from. Now there are so many streams you need to not only tap them but also make sure your content is not stolen thus letting someone else make a profit from it. the mafia made tons of money in bootlegging porn in NYC for years (they probably still are)

You will always need new faces for porn. Otherwise people would be jerking off to the same stuff from the 1970's.

You also need good locations. You know how many times I see a scene and it's either Ben Iny's house or an 818 location house. People get tried of that stuff.

Then you need to have good equipment and know how to use it. Just b/c you have the best hd camera and every kinoflo they make won't make you a good shooter. I know guys who use decent cameras and natural light and make shit that only blows away most people's work it even wins "awards" (lol)

And like you said, you want there to be a reason to watch it. People do want something that ties it together and makes it magical. The guy knocking on the door with the pizza is a bit played out.

But with out funding it's tough to do all of this. Not many people want to invest in porn and the ones who do are let down when they don't get the ROI they were fooled in thinking they would see in less than 12 months.

[Robert Day]

ok, porn is only a small part of what I do.... Wow shallow minds end shallow results.
Porn is only a quarter of my income.

[Smokieflame]

Originally Posted by Robert Day

Hello Bobbi

I love how when i post everyone just assumes its my husband... Just because im a model means I obviously have no brain or opinion... Who ever you are you atleast know my husbands name so I REALLY doubt your a billionaire of ANY KIND. I have never had teh pleasures of meeting, knowing or dealing with a billionaire yet. Think the richest person I have met is around 200 million at the moment.

[Robert Day]

Originally Posted by american pervert

You talk about how film sales skyrockted back in the day. but at the time there was less revenue streams to make your money from. Now there are so many streams you need to not only tap them but also make sure your content is not stolen thus letting someone else make a profit from it. the mafia made tons of money in bootlegging porn in NYC for years (they probably still are)

You will always need new faces for porn. Otherwise people would be jerking off to the same stuff from the 1970's.

You also need good locations. You know how many times I see a scene and it's either Ben Iny's house or an 818 location house. People get tried of that stuff.

Then you need to have good equipment and know how to use it. Just b/c you have the best hd camera and every kinoflo they make won't make you a good shooting. I know guys who use decent cameras and natural light and make shit that only blows away most people's work it even wins "awards" (lol)

And like you said, you want there to be a reason to watch it. People do want something that ties it together and makes it magical. The guy knocking on the door with the pizza is a bit played out.

But with out funding it's tough to do all of this. Not many people want to invest in porn and the ones who do are let down when they don't get the ROI they were fooled in thinking they would see in less than 12 months.

HD cams and Kino flo are not what real film makers use.... HD cams yes, with real focused lighting. Grids, spots, ect.. mixed with natural light.

I will fund the project.. so again you all know everything and to smart to see what I am offering. Who I am is not important, IVD is a small company in comparison to who I am and what I do in the real world. Lets just say Microsoft and ADOBE make me very rich.....

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Robert Day

ok, porn is only a small part of what I do.... Wow shallow minds end shallow results.
Porn is only a quarter of my income.

Oh my bad. ONLY 250 million dollars of your income is porn. That makes it understandable. Come on man...

[Smokieflame]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Oh my bad. ONLY 250 million dollars of your income is porn. That makes it understandable. Come on man...

No he said he was a multi-billionaire... That means he would have to have multiple billions of dollars... I want proof, hell show me proof of that kind of income and i will suck your dick just to say I sucked off one of the richest men in america

[weekly]

Guys....this guy is a customer....

[Robert Day]

Originally Posted by Smokieflame

I love how when i post everyone just assumes its my husband... Just because im a model means I obviously have no brain or opinion... Who ever you are you atleast know my husbands name so I REALLY doubt your a billionaire of ANY KIND. I have never had teh pleasures of meeting, knowing or dealing with a billionaire yet. Think the richest person I have met is around 200 million at the moment.

I have met you, you just don't know who I am. We met in California and in which Bobbi made himself look like a jack as trying to tell us how we should do things. I told Bobbi to not try and re invent the wheel.

.....I am done here for the day.. I will come back and look for those who want to shoot a real porn film, in which I will fund.

[weekly]

Originally Posted by Robert Day

I have met you, you just don't know who I am. We met in California and in which Bobbi made himself look like a jack as trying to tell us how we should do things. I told to not try and re invent the wheel.

.....I am done here for the day.. I will come back and look for those who want to shoot a real porn film, in which I will fund.

Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya......

[american pervert]

Originally Posted by Robert Day

HD cams and Kino flo are not what real film makers use.... HD cams yes, with real focused lighting. Grids, spots, ect.. mixed with natural light.

I will fund the project.. so again you all know everything and to smart to see what I am offering. Who I am is not important, IVD is a small company in comparison to who I am and what I do in the real world. Lets just say Microsoft and ADOBE make me very rich.....

yes, its about correct lighting and also the best people for the job. If I can't hire my one still guy, I'll wait til he is free to book the shoots. He is harder to replace than the talent which you should always have back ups for.

Let me know when you start handing out golden tickets.

[Jim_Gunn]

I consider myself a real pornograher. I have filmed many feature adult movies for DVD & broadcast tv over the years that played on Playboy tv and Spice Channel and elsewhere as well as thousands of scenes for adult internet sites. I agree that a quality product can make a big difference. I would always welcome new opportunities to film a quality product with a storyline if I was provided the budget to pull it off.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Robert Day

ok, porn is only a small part of what I do.... Wow shallow minds end shallow results.
Porn is only a quarter of my income.

Ya know....Your "know it all" and "better than thou" attitude really suck. It doesn't matter how much knowledge you have if you act like a prick, few people will listen.

You come here acting as if we should all know you and listen to what you have to say but in reality, just like Robbie posted, most of us have no clue who you are....Not that it really matters as I'm going to make my money anyway.

"I'm a billionaire, I'm an industry icon, I know all about what sells and what doesn't...."

Tell us again how much better you are than the rest of us. That's a sure fire way to earn respect, loyalty, and business.

"Porn is only a quarter of my income."

If porn is only a quarter of you income then I would say you don't qualify as a "real pornographer" yourself.

I don't know...Maybe my shallow little mind just can't absorb your wealth of knowledge.

[Robert Day]

Originally Posted by Smokieflame

No he said he was a multi-billionaire... That means he would have to have multiple billions of dollars... I want proof, hell show me proof of that kind of income and i will suck your dick just to say I sucked off one of the richest men in america

I have a property in Washington, but I am not in America. Again your arrogance overwhelms you, vastly.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Smokieflame

I love how when i post everyone just assumes its my husband... Just because im a model means I obviously have no brain or opinion... Who ever you are you atleast know my husbands name so I REALLY doubt your a billionaire of ANY KIND. I have never had teh pleasures of meeting, knowing or dealing with a billionaire yet. Think the richest person I have met is around 200 million at the moment.

It could have something to do with the fact that your husband has posted under your name and specifically stated that he is the one who posts as you.

[Robert Day]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

I consider myself a real pornograher. I have filmed many feature adult movies for DVD & broadcast tv over the years that played on Playboy tv and Spice Channel and elsewhere as well as thousands of scenes for adult internet sites. I agree that a quality product can make a big difference. I would always welcome new opportunities to film a quality product with a storyline if I was provided the budget to pull it off.

Show me your best your to date.

[Robert Day]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Ya know....Your "know it all" and "better than thou" attitude really suck. It doesn't matter how much knowledge you have if you act like a prick, few people will listen.

You come here acting as if we should all know you and listen to what you have to say but in reality, just like Robbie posted, most of us have no clue who you are....Not that it really matters as I'm going to make my money anyway.

"I'm a billionaire, I'm an industry icon, I know all about what sells and what doesn't...."

Tell us again how much better you are than the rest of us. That's a sure fire way to earn respect, loyalty, and business.

"Porn is only a quarter of my income."

If porn is only a quarter of you income then I would say you don't qualify as a "real pornographer" yourself.

I don't know...Maybe my shallow little mind just can't absorb your wealth of knowledge.

You are right, I will check myself in now. I will get the help I need.

Gotta run guys... but I will be back to look for those who want to shoot products I will distribute.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Robert Day

Who I am is not important.....

Who you are is the single most important thing to anybody who is serious about their business. No way in hell I would EVER consider doing business with somebody who thinks that their identity doesn't matter to me. That is how people get fucked over.

[marcop]

Originally Posted by Robert Day

ok, porn is only a small part of what I do.... Wow shallow minds end shallow results.
Porn is only a quarter of my income.

Speaking of shallow minds, I suspect that you're delusional and off your meds.

[weekly]

Originally Posted by Robert Day

Show me your best your to date.

show us yours....
I tell ya, this guy is a customer getting his jollies.....

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Robert Day

I have a property in Washington, but I am not in America. Again your arrogance overwhelms you, vastly.

I believe the word you are looking for is ignorance. Arrogance is what you are displaying.

[Robert Day]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Who you are is the single most important thing to anybody who is serious about their business. No way in hell I would EVER consider doing business with somebody who thinks that their identity doesn't matter to me. That is how people get fucked over.

Did I not say.. That I will fund the projects? You do not read well, it is no wonder you get fucked over.

That means when I approve of the project, I will create a corporate account with funds available for all expenses, talent, equipment, flights, hotel, locations and so forth.
For those who do not understand English, that means money up front.

[Robert Day]

Jim Gunn is on the good list...
so far everyone else is on the bad list...

[weekly]

Originally Posted by Robert Day

Did I not say.. That I will fund the projects? You do not read well, it is no wonder you get fucked over.

That means when I approve of the project, I will create a corporate account with funds available for all expenses, talent, equipment, flights, hotel, locations and so forth.
For those who do not understand English, that means money up front.

Dangle money or the promise of it and they will come. I was waiting for this. I have been in this business longer than most and this story has been told over and over and over again. I have had this offer soooooo many times from soooooo many customers and its soooo much bullshit. These guys have a fantasy about talking to people in the biz and meeting a pornstar and getting laid. End of that story. This guy fits the profile perfectly. The more you describe your work, the more excited he gets.

[Robert Day]

Originally Posted by weekly

show us yours....
I tell ya, this guy is a customer getting his jollies.....

listen to this guy, and lose a major project. That would be very smart.

[Smokieflame]

Originally Posted by AaronM

It could have something to do with the fact that your husband has posted under your name and specifically stated that he is the one who posts as you.

When has he ever said he posts as me? He has posted using this screen name before yes, but has also stated in the post it was him, and it was over the Eddy Coats bullshit. But what ever you guys can think what you like.

I do recall someone in LA our last trip telling him to not to try and re-invent the wheel other then that I have no clue who you are LOL. If im being arrogant then what are you being mr billionaire that no one seems to know.

This whole thread is dumb if you ask me, if your looking for people to make porn with and you finance it you really went the wrong way. Enjoy your riches is all i can say.

[grumpy]

i got news for you, the dvd market is dying

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Robert Day

Did I not say.. That I will fund the projects? You do not read well, it is no wonder you get fucked over.

That means when I approve of the project, I will create a corporate account with funds available for all expenses, talent, equipment, flights, hotel, locations and so forth.
For those who do not understand English, that means money up front.

I've had other people offer me the same. They still fucked people over and in the end left me holding the bag. Because of people like you, I am now forced to only do business with people I know and trust.

You very well could be serious and legit but IMHO, it's not worth taking the risk of my time or resources to find out.

[grumpy]

how do we contact you?

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Robert Day

Did I not say.. That I will fund the projects? You do not read well, it is no wonder you get fucked over.

That means when I approve of the project, I will create a corporate account with funds available for all expenses, talent, equipment, flights, hotel, locations and so forth.
For those who do not understand English, that means money up front.

I've had other people offer me the same. They still fucked people over and in the end left me holding the bag. Because of people like you, I am now forced to only do business with people I know and trust.

You very well could be serious and legit but IMHO, it's not worth taking the risk of my time or resources to find out.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Robert Day

Jim Gunn is on the good list...

Congrats Jim!