Streaming format for members area - wmv or flash in 2008? - GoFuckYourself.com

CarlosTheGaucho · 08-22-2008, 05:57 AM

I've always been in favour of wmv for download because of the quality vs download time ratio and the fact that pretty much everyone can play it. The other format I like is mpg but I don't think it makes sense to offer both of them.

Yet, apart from the fact that nowadays pretty much anyone can be ripping your videos to stream on their site all night long I also do have a feeling that streaming standards has changed.

Is it wiser to consider flash for streaming instead of wmv because it's more versatile and bandwith effective these days?

Let's hear your thoughts

Robbie · 08-22-2008, 06:07 AM

I'm now using h264 encrypted streaming in the members area. It's better looking than .wmv, you can move to anyplace in the movie during the stream (sort of like fast forward and rewind by using a cursor) So it looks better, has better functions. I lost about 5% of my members initially who were pissed that they couldn't download. I'm starting to think they were the ones stealing everything and uploading it to begin with. Sales are on the increase. Rebills too. They have to stay a member if they want to see the content. Plus, of course, intereact with CM via email and the members forum and the live cam shows that we stream ourselves exclusively for our members. (not on any cam "network")

CIVMatt · 08-22-2008, 06:15 AM

I stream in flash and download in wmv, everyones happy

kowalsky · 08-22-2008, 08:03 AM

Same here, stream in flash and download in wmv.

czarina · 08-22-2008, 08:06 AM

I'm about to start converting to Flash for our new site (DCupMilfs.com), hope I do a good job

I'll be using Moyea

MaDalton · 08-22-2008, 08:45 AM

for our new project we will be doing VC-1 streaming

ultimatebbwdotcom · 08-22-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm now using h264 encrypted streaming in the members area. It's better looking than .wmv, you can move to anyplace in the movie during the stream (sort of like fast forward and rewind by using a cursor) So it looks better, has better functions. I lost about 5% of my members initially who were pissed that they couldn't download. I'm starting to think they were the ones stealing everything and uploading it to begin with. Sales are on the increase. Rebills too. They have to stay a member if they want to see the content. Plus, of course, intereact with CM via email and the members forum and the live cam shows that we stream ourselves exclusively for our members. (not on any cam "network")

Same story here.

CIVMatt · 08-22-2008, 10:28 AM

Are you guys using h264 on cave creek?

TheDoc · 08-22-2008, 10:28 AM

If you offer a slick streaming flash vs a downloadable wmv, and you auto play the flash (vs offering them a choice first) the people will watch the streaming flash.

If you do it this way, "then" ask your members in a poll what format they like best, flash will kill the downloadable options. But if you offer them as equal links, click here for the streaming fla vs a download link, they will grab the wmv and vote that way too.

Iron Fist · 08-22-2008, 10:28 AM

Offer both I would say, but definitely offer a high quality original in WMV or whatever that's downloadable. I know of one sponsor who had only flash videos in their members area, and are now replacing them all with high quality originals

tony286 · 08-22-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ultimatebbwdotcom

Same story here.

How much is it increasing the bw usage?

FreeHugeMovies · 08-22-2008, 10:35 AM

Flash baby

Raja · 08-22-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

for our new project we will be doing VC-1 streaming

Isnt' VC-1 for cable? I thought you could use something else for Silverlight?

MaDalton · 08-22-2008, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Raja

Isnt' VC-1 for cable? I thought you could use something else for Silverlight?

vc-1 works fine for streaming as well and ensures you can use all silverlight functionalities. plus microsoft DRM if you like

Robbie · 08-22-2008, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by CIVMatt

Are you guys using h264 on cave creek?

I bought flash server and put it on my own box. Kicks ass and so far has been "bullet proof" I had to up my ram to 4 gigs. And I may go up further in time. My box has a max of 8 gigs of ram. Flash Server is pretty damn sweet.

BrianL · 08-22-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I bought flash server and put it on my own box. Kicks ass and so far has been "bullet proof" I had to up my ram to 4 gigs. And I may go up further in time. My box has a max of 8 gigs of ram. Flash Server is pretty damn sweet.

If you ever get sick of managing the boxes and want to speed up those streams let me know.

Robbie · 08-22-2008, 11:12 AM

Thanks Brian. I know you guys kick major ass. Right now I'm doing alright. A 400+ meg file starts streaming in about 3 seconds with an encoded variable bit rate of 2 to 6 mbs I have a "low speed" version that runs about 1200kbs that loads like lightning...of course it's not "perfect" like the bad ass high speed version.

BrianL · 08-22-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Thanks Brian. I know you guys kick major ass. Right now I'm doing alright. A 400+ meg file starts streaming in about 3 seconds with an encoded variable bit rate of 2 to 6 mbs I have a "low speed" version that runs about 1200kbs that loads like lightning...of course it's not "perfect" like the bad ass high speed version.

Fair enough , we are seeing very good performance on files as high as 1.5Mbps bit rates. If you are interested in testing it out at some point we are still doing free trials. I personally am just glad to see more people realizing that streaming is the way to go and moving away from downloads. With the security in the new flash player that allows streams to be encrypted using RTMPE it really seems like a no brainer to me.

lesbodojo · 08-22-2008, 11:23 AM

offer both. more options is a good thing.

stickyfingerz · 08-22-2008, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL

If you ever get sick of managing the boxes and want to speed up those streams let me know.

Brian can you hit me up on icq when you get a moment. What you on a long lunch today?

BrianL · 08-27-2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Brian can you hit me up on icq when you get a moment. What you on a long lunch today?

I have been here, just computer has been flaky.

08-22-2008, 05:57 AM	#1
CarlosTheGaucho Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,512	Streaming format for members area - wmv or flash in 2008? I've always been in favour of wmv for download because of the quality vs download time ratio and the fact that pretty much everyone can play it. The other format I like is mpg but I don't think it makes sense to offer both of them. Yet, apart from the fact that nowadays pretty much anyone can be ripping your videos to stream on their site all night long I also do have a feeling that streaming standards has changed. Is it wiser to consider flash for streaming instead of wmv because it's more versatile and bandwith effective these days? Let's hear your thoughts __________________ CTG Media \| skype: carlosprague \| cb \|at\| ctgmedia \|dot\| net \| Want to make more with your Dating Traffic? \| Read My Educational Series \| Read my Adult Biz Chronicles \| Did your ad revenue drop by 40 pct. or more last year?

08-22-2008, 06:07 AM	#2
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	I'm now using h264 encrypted streaming in the members area. It's better looking than .wmv, you can move to anyplace in the movie during the stream (sort of like fast forward and rewind by using a cursor) So it looks better, has better functions. I lost about 5% of my members initially who were pissed that they couldn't download. I'm starting to think they were the ones stealing everything and uploading it to begin with. Sales are on the increase. Rebills too. They have to stay a member if they want to see the content. Plus, of course, intereact with CM via email and the members forum and the live cam shows that we stream ourselves exclusively for our members. (not on any cam "network") __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

08-22-2008, 06:15 AM	#3
CIVMatt Amateur Pimpin Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 13,075	I stream in flash and download in wmv, everyones happy __________________ Make easy money with Webcams

08-22-2008, 08:03 AM	#4
kowalsky Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,494	Same here, stream in flash and download in wmv. __________________ Jimmy Kowalsky www.catchycash.com [email protected] ICQ - 7319094

08-22-2008, 08:45 AM	#6
MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,822	for our new project we will be doing VC-1 streaming __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

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czarina Webmaster Extraordinaire Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: A beautiful beach... Posts: 10,745	I'm about to start converting to Flash for our new site (DCupMilfs.com), hope I do a good job I'll be using Moyea

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TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	If you offer a slick streaming flash vs a downloadable wmv, and you auto play the flash (vs offering them a choice first) the people will watch the streaming flash. If you do it this way, "then" ask your members in a poll what format they like best, flash will kill the downloadable options. But if you offer them as equal links, click here for the streaming fla vs a download link, they will grab the wmv and vote that way too. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

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Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	Offer both I would say, but definitely offer a high quality original in WMV or whatever that's downloadable. I know of one sponsor who had only flash videos in their members area, and are now replacing them all with high quality originals __________________ i like waffles

08-22-2008, 10:35 AM	#12
FreeHugeMovies Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 14,137	Flash baby

08-22-2008, 11:12 AM	#17
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	Thanks Brian. I know you guys kick major ass. Right now I'm doing alright. A 400+ meg file starts streaming in about 3 seconds with an encoded variable bit rate of 2 to 6 mbs I have a "low speed" version that runs about 1200kbs that loads like lightning...of course it's not "perfect" like the bad ass high speed version. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

08-22-2008, 11:23 AM	#19
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