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Old 08-29-2008, 02:03 PM   #51
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A man who really excites the country and people see that as a bad thing. lol
With a rock star, it's a good thing. With a politician, it's a bad thing.

If you want inspiration, go see Tony Robbins. But don't vote for a guy because he makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Vote for him because you think he will represent the interests of the people in your country well.
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Old 08-29-2008, 02:06 PM   #52
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With a rock star, it's a good thing. With a politician, it's a bad thing.

If you want inspiration, go see Tony Robbins. But don't vote for a guy because he makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Vote for him because you think he will represent the interests of the people in your country well.
He is nothing like hitler but he is still a modern name liberal fascist aka neo-con. NOT saying McCain is better

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What was the deal with him kissing Bidens wife on the mouth? I know everyone wants a white woman but damn, not in front of everyone.
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He is nothing like hitler but he is still a modern name liberal fascist aka neo-con. NOT saying McCain is better
Just so you don't make yourself look silly again I am willing to educate you in politics for a minute. The term "liberal fascist" is an oxymoron in the fact that fascism is a right wing political view while socialism is a left wing political view... there is no such thing as a "liberal fascist".
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Just so you don't make yourself look silly again I am willing to educate you in politics for a minute. The term "liberal fascist" is an oxymoron in the fact that fascism is a right wing political view while socialism is a left wing political view... there is no such thing as a "liberal fascist".
that's a right wing talking point. Neil Boortz says it all the the time.
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With a rock star, it's a good thing. With a politician, it's a bad thing.

If you want inspiration, go see Tony Robbins. But don't vote for a guy because he makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Vote for him because you think he will represent the interests of the people in your country well.
he represent the interests of the people better than johnny mccain does. Go look up the keating 5 and how Johnny watched out for the people or when he was against the new GI bill.
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Just so you don't make yourself look silly again I am willing to educate you in politics for a minute. The term "liberal fascist" is an oxymoron in the fact that fascism is a right wing political view while socialism is a left wing political view... there is no such thing as a "liberal fascist".
You have as little political insight as the guy you're responding to

Abandon the silly concept of "left vs right". It's hopelessly inadequate, because it does not distinguish between the economic axis and the social axis.

And yes, that does matter. For example, if you take economic policy as the determinant of right/left, then communism is left-wing, libertarianism is right-wing, and fascism is in the center, leaning slightly to the left. If you take social freedom as the determinant of right/left, then fascism is right-wing, libertarianism is left-wing, and communism is right-wing.

Of course, "liberal fascism" still does not make sense, but that's because liberalism implies social freedom, while fascism implies a complete lack of it.
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I think they said about 84,000 people.
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Libertine you are absolutley right on the fact that people should not blindly follow people because of their personality or charisma (Boris Johnson was voted in as London mayor based on his personality and charisma).

But this should not take away from the fact that Obama will cut taxes, DID YOU HEAR THAT PEOPLE, CUT TAXES, for 95% of the middle class and working population, he will not send you to idiotic wars for no reason, he will give you free healthcare and secured pensions.

And how can people say he stands for nothing?

I am in the UK and watched his speech live on BBC news, seriously, this guy is a normal person, like one of us, he isnt a snob brought up into a posh family like most politicians and he is your chance to make the USA great again.

don't fucking blow it.

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he represent the interests of the people better than johnny mccain does. Go look up the keating 5 and how Johnny watched out for the people or when he was against the new GI bill.
He probably will represent the interests of the people better than McCain, though not because of anything to do with the Keating 5. McCain showed some bad judgment there, but he didn't play a large part in it, nor did he do anything particularly bad. The reason Obama is likely to represent the interests of the people better is because his program is simply much better.

However, Obama's program is nowhere near perfect. It isn't even particularly good. Those believing he will bring true change are gullible fools. Those chanting his name and spreading the word are idiot cultists.

If Obama is elected, he will likely repair some of the damage Bush has done to the economy, improve America's image abroad a bit, and slightly strengthen some of America's old alliances. Good things, certainly, but nowhere near spectacular. There will be no economic miracle, no sudden disappearance of improper lobbying and pork barrel spending, no 180 degree turn on civil rights.
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But this should not take away from the fact that Obama will cut taxes, DID YOU HEAR THAT PEOPLE, CUT TAXES, for 95% of the middle class and working population, he will not send you to idiotic wars for no reason, he will give you free healthcare and secured pensions.
Actually, he won't implement free health care. Read his program. He is promising "affordable" health care. And his program is flawed, because it does not include mandatory health insurance, which means the costs of those who don't bother getting insured will be passed on to those who do.

But apart from that... tax cuts, increased spending and cleaning up the deficit Bush created. Yeah, that's totally gonna happen. He just has to remember watering his money tree every day, because I don't see where else he's going to get that money.

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And how can people say he stands for nothing?

I am in the UK and watched his speech live on BBC news, seriously, this guy is a normal person, like one of us, he isnt a snob brought up into a posh family like most politicians and he is your chance to make the USA great again.

don't fucking blow it.
If, by "one of us", you mean he's like one of the typical imbeciles on GFY, I'm gonna have to disagree with you. He's an intellectual and a bit of an elitist - and both are good things.

And no, he doesn't stand for nothing. He stands for moderate, fairly sensible liberalism. Having to pander to idiot Americans has made his positions slightly less sensible, of course, but that's just the way the game is played.

He won't make America great again, though. He'll just try to steer it away from its current path - the path toward certain doom.
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what i see is the four year madhouse of the elections, which i dont understand. When the elections are here the people stay down to earth, americans wave flags and cheer like its a fucking football game.
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what i see is the four year madhouse of the elections, which i dont understand. When the elections are here the people stay down to earth, americans wave flags and cheer like its a fucking football game.
Which is why we typically elect boring, competent politicians, and Americans elect... well, George Bush.
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Actually, he won't implement free health care. Read his program. He is promising "affordable" health care. And his program is flawed, because it does not include mandatory health insurance, which means the costs of those who don't bother getting insured will be passed on to those who do.

But apart from that... tax cuts, increased spending and cleaning up the deficit Bush created. Yeah, that's totally gonna happen. He just has to remember watering his money tree every day, because I don't see where else he's going to get that money.


He will get the money by not spending billions, trillians on wars.

By one of us i mean, normal working class people.
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He will get the money by not spending billions, trillians on wars.

By one of us i mean, normal working class people.
that isn't really correct... he plans to eliminate tax cuts for people making more then $250k and eliminate tax loopholes that allow companies to hide their income offshore.
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A man who really excites the country and people see that as a bad thing. lol
and compare him to hitler too.

ignorance knows no color thats for sure.

comparing good speakers like barack to hitler?

gimme a fucking break, just because you can speak does not make you a fucking murdeous di9ctator. then again, i doubt most finished highschool who hold that opinion.
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With a rock star, it's a good thing. With a politician, it's a bad thing.

If you want inspiration, go see Tony Robbins. But don't vote for a guy because he makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Vote for him because you think he will represent the interests of the people in your country well.
Fuck you for assuming I like Obama for his charisma. Seriously, I know there are some dumb fucks in this world but some of us actually pay attention.
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Quoting myself for the benefit of Fletch, who seems to need reading glasses...

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And no, I'm not saying Obama is anything like Hitler. He's not.
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The pictures in that post were specifically in response to someone stating that if you "look back in history", being charismatic makes for a great leader. Quite obviously, it doesn't.
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Fuck you for assuming I like Obama for his charisma. Seriously, I know there are some dumb fucks in this world but some of us actually pay attention.
Some of us do, but you obviously don't. Notice who I was quoting in that post? That's right, not you.

Up until now, I wasn't assuming anything about you. I don't know you, and there are plenty of good reasons for supporting Obama.

Now, however, I'm assuming quite a bit. And I'm pretty sure I'm right.
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The pictures in that post were specifically in response to someone stating that if you "look back in history", being charismatic makes for a great leader. Quite obviously, it doesn't.
Being charismatic worked for Reagan, who I think most Republicans would never say resemble a Hitler like following.
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Some of us do, but you obviously don't. Notice who I was quoting in that post? That's right, not you.

Up until now, I wasn't assuming anything about you. I don't know you, and there are plenty of good reasons for supporting Obama.

Now, however, I'm assuming quite a bit. And I'm pretty sure I'm right.
You couldn't have quoted me because I had yet to post in this thread yet. You were making general statements as if those supporting Obama are crazy.

Anyhow, anyone have this in wallpaper size?
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What was the deal with him kissing Bidens wife on the mouth? I know everyone wants a white woman but damn, not in front of everyone.
I must be too deep in the interracial niche, because I noticed that too. He was almost on her lips. I thought some commentators might mention it (or at least Daily Show or Colbert).

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do not try and turn that one around on me.

you used a picture of Hitler to illustate your point trying to prove good speakers are the equivalent of hitler.

I aint gonna argue with this highschool crap.

you used the pics not me. saying disclaimer lines like "im not trying to say but..." doesnt negate that.
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A majority of people are pathetic, gullible idiots. Like sheep, they'll follow any charismatic megalomaniac who talks pretty. They don't want an efficient manager, they either want someone to worship, someone to have a beer with, someone to fear, or someone to do their thinking for them.

I wish people could just see reason, and judge politicians purely on credentials, plans and arguments.


I normally disagree with you but you're right on here..

Obama is a typical political idiot that sits on the fence about all issues
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oh and not to mention the "people who follow obama are the same sheep"

claiming those who support obama are nazis? i mean come on, you need to go back to class or something
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Being charismatic worked for Reagan, who I think most Republicans would never say resemble a Hitler like following.
Reagan certainly was charismatic, but especially in the beginning he didn't have nearly the amount of groupies Obama has right now. More importantly, his popularity started out far less focused on the man himself.

What frightens me about the fanatical Obama followers (and I don't mean those who merely support him) is that they seem to have abandoned anything even resembling realism in their expectations of him. They don't even seem to be aware that his campaign slogans are, in fact, campaign slogans. Any critical sound is pounced upon as if it were blasphemy. They themselves don't criticize anything he does or says.

To me, complete and utter devotion to a politician - any politician - is downright scary. There are no saints, but if there were, they sure as hell wouldn't be politicians. Trusting a politician as if he were the spawn of God himself is foolish and dangerous. Achieving any position of power in politics requires endless amounts of deceit, lies and manipulation, as well as an ego the size of a small planet.

If you hear someone say "we're going to repair the world!" and you shout "yes we can!" without feeling the urge to laugh at the silliness of it all, there's something seriously wrong.
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do not try and turn that one around on me.

you used a picture of Hitler to illustate your point trying to prove good speakers are the equivalent of hitler.

I aint gonna argue with this highschool crap.

you used the pics not me. saying disclaimer lines like "im not trying to say but..." doesnt negate that.
If you thought my point was that good speakers are the equivalent of Hitler you're an idiot.

The other guy essentially said that history shows that charismatic speakers are good leaders. I disproved that point.

I didn't say all charismatic speakers are bad leaders, though - that would be a bizarre and plainly untrue statement.

I did say, however, that the more charismatic they are, the more you need to distrust them. An obvious truth, because the more charismatic someone is, the more likely he'd succeed at deceiving you if he wanted to.

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oh and not to mention the "people who follow obama are the same sheep"

claiming those who support obama are nazis? i mean come on, you need to go back to class or something
Nice job on totally missing the point, and completely misquoting me. I'd almost think you were illiterate.

A "zealous follower" is a zealot, a devotee, a fanatic. That is to say, someone who has given up his ability to critically view whatever he's following. Zealous followers are related to supporters in the same way that fundamentalists are related to the religious, or in the way that murderers are related to people with a bad temper.

And guess what? People who are inclined to religiously follow charismatic leaders are exactly the type of people who followed Hitler, Mussolini, Jim Jones, Lenin, etc. The majority of those people didn't support or even understand the ideas they were doing stupid stuff for. Once you lose the capacity for critical thought, you're a danger to the world.

So no, I'm not claiming that those who support Obama are nazis. I support Obama myself, for fuck's sake. What I'm saying is that religiously following politicians is really fucking dangerous.
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You couldn't have quoted me because I had yet to post in this thread yet. You were making general statements as if those supporting Obama are crazy.

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Is it international illiterate Obama-fanboy day or something?

Stop assuming that others are as stupid as you apparently are. Nowhere in this thread did I say that those supporting Obama are all sheep. In fact, I said early on in this thread that in my opinion, his program is better than McCain's.

Clearly, then, when I'm talking about the sheep, I'm talking about those following him for his charisma, not about those who support him because of his program and political positions.

There are a lot of sheep, though. Just look at the start of this thread, and what the fanboys are swooning over. I'll give you a hint: it's not his health care plan.
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That's just asking for it...







And no, I'm not saying Obama is anything like Hitler. He's not. His zealous followers, on the other hand, are the same kind of sheep that - in another day and age - would have followed Hitler.

Never support politicians because of their charisma. Never blindly follow them. Always distrust them. The more charismatic they are, the more you need to distrust them. Judge them the same way you'd judge anti-fungal cream - as a distasteful necessity.
You know those Hittler rallies were what sprung to mind first when I watched his speech. He has the ability to whip people into a frenzy, which is a powerful thing.

Not saying he is like hittler, hell nobody really knows what he is like and what he really stands for.
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Is it international illiterate Obama-fanboy day or something?

Stop assuming that others are as stupid as you apparently are. Nowhere in this thread did I say that those supporting Obama are all sheep. In fact, I said early on in this thread that in my opinion, his program is better than McCain's.

Clearly, then, when I'm talking about the sheep, I'm talking about those following him for his charisma, not about those who support him because of his program and political positions.

There are a lot of sheep, though. Just look at the start of this thread, and what the fanboys are swooning over. I'll give you a hint: it's not his health care plan.






Do you realize how dumb just about everything you post sounds??


Just wondering? are you doing this to troll or something on purpose or are you really this THIS FUCKIN STUPID???


The picture is a work of art and a powerful mage worth thousands of words but of course..... someone like you would never be able to see that

unless it has a photo chopped pair of tits in it .... right??




im sure you understand this pics right..... I bet you connected right away with it
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Do you realize how dumb just about everything you post sounds??

Just wondering? are you doing this to troll or something on purpose or are you really this THIS FUCKIN STUPID???

The picture is a work of art and a powerful mage worth thousands of words but of course..... someone like you would never be able to see that

unless it has a photo chopped pair of tits in it .... right?

im sure you understand this pics right..... I bet you connected right away with it
The biggest idiot on GFY disagrees with me. A good sign indeed.

Let me just point out the most idiotic part of your statement, the part that shows exactly why you're an idiotic fanboy who personifies the best possible argument against democracy:

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a powerful mage worth thousands of words
Actually, when it comes to what politics is fundamentally about, the stadium picture is worth less than even a single word. It's a pretty picture, certainly, but it doesn't tell you anything about Obama's plans for the economy, foreign relations, health care, poverty, the environment, energy, national security, foreign aid, immigration, outsourcing - you know, the important stuff.

It shows he can draw a huge crowd. At the risk of confusing Fletch again, so could Hitler. Or Hannah Montana, for that matter. Bono, too. Not to mention Britney Spears.

I'm sure that pretty pictures make you feel all mushy inside, but they are entirely worthless when you have to decide who to vote for. Gushing over prettiness in politics is entirely foolish. It's like drinking Pepsi instead of Coke because you prefer the commercial ads - only a million times worse, because you're not just choosing a drink, you're influencing the future of the entire fucking world.

Instead of drooling over Obama's speeches, do things like comparing this with this. You should still end up with Obama, but for good reasons, rather than bad ones.
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A man who really excites the country and people see that as a bad thing. lol



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I think this sums it all up




FYI .. Obama is the guy on the projection screen in the rear in the pic ( for those who dont know)
I can't wait til the MSM starts screaming for interviews with Palin, the Stepford VP nominee that the GOP keeps in a closet and only drags out to make sarcastic speeches.

So far, all I've seen is some newbie MILF who may or may not have given birth 5 months ago, and who's been shielded from the media while reading GOP scripts attacking that very media. Seems like the GOP found themselves their own little celebrity

Let's see how long the GOP can keep this charade going.
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That's dope!


If a secondary pic were to describe it would be this.





The mere fact that Shepherd Fairy did this piece speaks volumes about the depth that this Dem campaign is reaching.
Grasping at straws?
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That's just asking for it...







And no, I'm not saying Obama is anything like Hitler. He's not. His zealous followers, on the other hand, are the same kind of sheep that - in another day and age - would have followed Hitler.

Never support politicians because of their charisma. Never blindly follow them. Always distrust them. The more charismatic they are, the more you need to distrust them. Judge them the same way you'd judge anti-fungal cream - as a distasteful necessity.
Hitler actually had a message and a direction, Barack Hussein Obama is a simple Socialist with Bolshevik/Marxist tendencies with little to message.
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FYI .. Obama is the guy on the projection screen in the rear in the pic ( for those who dont know)
Apart from politic, but really nice photo!
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Hitler actually had a message and a direction, Barack Hussein Obama is a simple Socialist with Bolshevik/Marxist tendencies with little to message.
McCain is a pandering neocon with white supremacist tendencies with little to message.

but then again this is his base:
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McCain is a pandering neocon with white supremacist tendencies with little to message.

but then again this is his base:
Obama is a pandering socialist with black supremacist tendencies with little to no message.

but then again this is his base:
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but then again this is his base:
lol those guys dont even vote

THIS is Obama's base:
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A majority of people are pathetic, gullible idiots. Like sheep, they'll follow any charismatic megalomaniac who talks pretty. They don't want an efficient manager, they either want someone to worship, someone to have a beer with, someone to fear, or someone to do their thinking for them.

I wish people could just see reason, and judge politicians purely on credentials, plans and arguments.

Bravo!

The big problem is that the people who could do the best job would never in a million years subject themselves to the extreme invasiveness and personal attacks that have become a part of the politcal process.


Most of the time, that leaves us the choice between a Turd Sandwich or a Giant Douchbag (hat tip to South Park).
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So far, all I've seen is some newbie MILF who may or may not have given birth 5 months ago

That statement is idiotic. Are you so gullible that you believe the Daily Kos?
Stick to arguing issues and policy instead of wild ass speculation and you might seem more credible.
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Is it international illiterate Obama-fanboy day or something?

Stop assuming that others are as stupid as you apparently are.


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McCain is a pandering neocon with white supremacist tendencies with little to message.
McCain a neocon? Thats laughable, not even the hard-left drive by media outlets will go that far so its pretty clear your 100% out of touch with who he is or his politics.

Show proof as to where he is a white supremacist.
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but then again this is his base:
When your more left then the socialist parties of Vermont and Wisconsin and they actually snear is disbelief of Barack Hussein Obama social policies you know there is a problem.
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He will get the money by not spending billions, trillians on wars.

By one of us i mean, normal working class people.
Obamas plan is pretty damn close to McCains. There really is no difference between the two. Obama may have the luxury of being a president when a war is ending. Plans of right now are that we are leaving in 2011 to 2013. Obama and McCain have nothing to do with that. Unless they fuck it up and we have to stay there longer.

Both McCain and Obama plan on taking troops from Iraq and putting them in Afghanistan. Both McCain and Obama are threatening Iran with war. Both McCain and Obama support the Patriot Act. Both Obama and McCain support FISA. Both McCain and Obama will keep our troops in over 150 countries.

So where exactly will Obama save money that isn't already in the works?

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that isn't really correct... he plans to eliminate tax cuts for people making more then $250k and eliminate tax loopholes that allow companies to hide their income offshore.
Cutting off the "tax loopholes" will only cause the prices of goods to go up. Maybe we should be talking about illuminating the TAX not the loopholes.

The only FAIR taxation is NO taxation.
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