Ryan St. Germain

It'll be difficult to add an affiliate program AND keep the payout eprcentage so high. I don't see Neil cutting out his profits just to give it to people, and I don't see people taking a smaller cut, so that others cans end (what might be garbage) traffic.

Barefootsies

Good thing I have watermarked all videos for years.

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Yeah, I've always done that with my videos too.... I guess I'm going to have to switch out my animated gif clip images to the ones with the watermarks on them too.... I'm glad I thought ahead and made them all with and without the URLs on them.

The worst part of this is all my banners to my other stores are gone too.... so I'm not just losing traffic from them to my paysite.... I'm losing all my cross traffic between my stores. Sucks ass.

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Barefootsies

Yep. Same here TatrSalad.

Just checked, and all the site to site cross links are gone as well.

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Ryan St. Germain

That's what I'm taking issue with. I send 20k a day in hit between two of my related stores, and a few thousand of those move form one to the other. The little dropdown isn't sufficient.

Ryan St. Germain

Not that you want to hear this, but my Hotmovies/Clips.com sales are up the last two days.

I have, and will continue to enjoy, a great deal of success with clips4sale, but I'm also smart enough to know that things change, and at some point, you are leaving money on the table. I've added other options for selling my content, and all it's done is earn me more money, and more continued success.

Barefootsies

Completely agree.

I threw 50k this week at the stores through promo, and it's obviously not cool to say the least. Sales are picking back up past couple of days, but still..

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Barefootsies

I think I am just going to have to build in clip platform when I get my pay sites redesigned to add in the cams and other shit. Or make a spin off.

I am glad that you are still doing well with your other avenues however. If the producers continue to get pissed off, you are going to see a mass exodus to other places like fetishvideos.com or some of these copy cats.

Assuming they have a fair split, and do not piss off producers.

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Barefootsies

Looks like fetishvideos.com is a solid split.

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StariaDaniel

fetishvideos.com is a good one, can't tell something bad about these guys.

Also you may consider yoogirls.com (yes, self advertisement ) - i'll give you a 70/30 split instead of the 60/40 - if you're interested hit me up on ICQ

Anyway, i always liked to put the clips on all the clips sites and i'd recommend it too.

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Barefootsies

Nice interface.

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I'll hit you up in a day or two for that 70/30.

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danclips

I just read through our license agreement and there is no mention of giving license to use your clips content on hotmovies.com or any of our vod sites. If anyone would like to take a look at our agreement, please email me. Or just write in if you have any questions.

We encourage our clips.com providers to add their legally owned and varifiable content to our hotmovies.com for an increase in exposure as well as profits, but it is hardly mandetory.

If you're going to exxxotica New York this weekend, please stop buy booth 207 and say hello!

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Ryan St. Germain

I was looking for that, because I thought it seemed odd, given that you have a seperate contract for clips than you do for hotmovies.

Barefootsies

Agreed.

Keep in mind, I have not looked at clips.com, or considered them, for some time. So I will have to look (if so inclined) next time I preview their clip store option.

I DO remember it being in there however, and laughed at it both times. I did not look at their VOD option to be fair on DC's end.

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ninavain

Im hitting you up now..I have to get other things going since Clips has died this month for me

ninavain

Dan is a good guy..I'll put more effort into clips, thanks

danclips

"Keep in mind, I have not looked at clips.com, or considered them, for some time. So I will have to look (if so inclined) next time I preview their clip store option.

I DO remember it being in there however, and laughed at it both times. I did not look at their VOD option to be fair on DC's end."

We haven't changed our terms of service since day one. I have a feeling that you may be confusing us with another clips site. We just want providers that have have legit content to have an avenue to make as much money as they can. I think that the clips model has unlimited potential and that's why I keep pushing ahead with it.

New providers are joining the site and adding new content every day. I'm always available to answer any concerns, so if something in our contract confuses you, please feel free to contact me directly.

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SoloGirlsContent

ok this is about to be fucked up with clips4sale..no responses...no banners are back up...I'm about to pull all my shit ( This smells like a company in trouble and about to pull a jack move)

Barefootsies

I heard back from Neil last night. I will post details later. Right now in the middle of an update to sites.

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Barefootsies

I am not going to argue with you toots.

Obviously if everything was 'peachy' at the time I had read your contract, and the percentages were mutually beneficial. Then I would have signed up. I am not going to leave money on the table for a fair offer any more than the next guy. It's common fucking sense.

When time allows, I will look at your site, percentages for payout, and traffic again compared to other clip stores, and networks. If I have confusion, then I will discuss it at that time.

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ninavain

can you let us know what Neil since everyone is in the dark. I use to make incredible money at C4S, but this month is such a huge downturn, it makes no sense to me

Barefootsies

My question

His answer.

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Jim_Gunn

That's a pretty vague answer. Who or what is "reviewing or something" the site? Back any day now, I hope.

Barefootsies

My best guess is that one of their processors were doing a review. They have multiple one's to make sure business doesn't stop. They have added in some new clips cash, or whatever recently.

But could be anything. He did not seem worried.

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SoloGirlsContent

of course he doesn't seem worried..he's not fucked...u r.. I really am left uncomfortable with his vague answers, almost like he doesn't know wtf is going on.

I mean why not just say.. Hey guys, we are being reviewed by a processor, we will put the banners back when the review processing is done..why so secretive? ODD

SoloGirlsContent

Let's look at this..
More chargebacks in recent months.
Sudden decline in sales
= They lost a processor

sounds reasonable to me

Barefootsies

They probably wouldn't wanna start a panic.

Years ago, I think it was 2005, they had their processing knocked out over PETA and bug crushing sites. PETA was on a rampage, and was knocking out the processors of any company that had crushing of bugs, animals, and so forth. (C4S was not only company effected. At that time I had B-H-E for some sites, and they had gotten notice as well)

But I agree, more information, especially after the 48 hours, would have been appropriate.

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Barefootsies

They have more than one processor. So I doubt it.

But anything could be possible.

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SoloGirlsContent

dont be shocked if your clip check doesn't show up next month

Barefootsies

Isn't clips.com still a 40/60 split?


What other clips programs are there?

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Ryan St. Germain

Yes, it's a smaller split on the content side, but if you are sending the kind of converting traffic you talk about, you'll make the 25% webmaster commission in addition to the commission for being a content producer.

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Hence the reason for spreading out your sources of income.

Barefootsies

DC,

So you use your own affiliate link to boost your smaller split?

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Barefootsies

When is the circus coming?

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Every hit that I send that converts, I get an additional 25%. If I send a hit, and the surfer goes on to your store and buys, I get 25%.

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soon....

Barefootsies

So you get 20% as a studio, and then 25% if YOU sent the click for a total of 45%????

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Jim_Gunn

I think Clips is 40% as a studio when someone purchases your video and 25% as an affiliate, making 65% if you send the customer to your own store. Why don't you check the agreement, Barefootsies, especially since your other concern about the VOD is not valid anymore supposedly anyway.

Barefootsies

I clicked their link in sig.

They do not mention the split anywhere. I clicked on the "learn more". Again, no mention of the split for studio owner that I could see. If you find it, point it out to me.

I see it mentioned everywhere else for affiliates, webmasters, and VOD.

Odd.

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Barefootsies

Disregard.
Jimmy Gunn found it on a separate program page.
Not the one in sig link(s).

30-40%
http://moviedollars.com/programs.php

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Ryan St. Germain

Yes, that's correct.

Barefootsies

Signed up.

Hitting you up BRO.

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Barefootsies

Heard back from Neil this evening.

They ADDED yet another processor. Banners down during the approval process. Still using multiples.

SO.... all is good. Just formalities.

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That makes sense, as it's impossible for them to police all the banners for objectionable content, to just remove them for the approval process.

Barefootsies

Agreed.

In the meantime, checked out some other DC alternatives with Gunn.

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Barefootsies

Banners returned.
Back to business.

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Barefootsies

Guess we won't be shocked. Eh toots?

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fitzmulti

FYI - The banners and stuff that were temporarily off...are back on!
At least mine are...all back to normal...

AND in the last 2 hours, I've made an "average days" worth of sales..so something's going strong here!
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How long have they been down for today?