Amateur Models... why do they fuck you around ??

[halfpint]

Why do they phone up and sound like they really want to do a shoot then ring up a day before and cancel it..just wasting my fucking time

[commonsense]

Originally Posted by halfpint

Why do they phone up and sound like they really want to do a shoot then ring up a day before and cancel it..just wasting my fucking time

If they at least called you to cancel, consider yourself lucky.

[Pleasurepays]

why are people always surprised that a person who wants to bear it all for the world has issues?

[cardinalvices]

If they give you a call thats good
They are underpaid and uncertain if they want to do this or not.

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by commonsense

If they at least called you to cancel, consider yourself lucky.

exactly

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[Enemator]

Listen to yourself: A-MA-TEUR models. That should be a hint!
Otherwise known as not professional. Get it?

They have a completely different mindset.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by commonsense

If they at least called you to cancel, consider yourself lucky.

why are people always surprised that a person who wants to bear it all for the world has issues?

If they give you a call thats good
They are underpaid and uncertain if they want to do this or not.

Three great comments. Would just like to add one.

Amateur models are amateur or first timers/newish. Them changing their mind is a good thing. If you have shot them. Having an average girl who was new and then three months later has 50 scenes under her belt and another 50 booked is worthless. Yes the great ones are great, I said average.

Of course if you have not shot them it sucks, but it comes with the type of model.

[Enemator]

Originally Posted by commonsense

If they at least called you to cancel, consider yourself lucky.

Word up, yo.

[Star 69]

Originally Posted by commonsense

If they at least called you to cancel, consider yourself lucky.

Truth

They are new in the biz, and they still don't know will they be in the biz or it's just for some $$$ or for fun, or some other mental stuff.

[seeandsee]

they want more money

[StarkReality]

Originally Posted by halfpint

Why do they phone up and sound like they really want to do a shoot then ring up a day before and cancel it..just wasting my fucking time

Why did she cancel? Car accident? Ill mom? Dead relative? Ill cat? Dead cat? Broken car? Ill grandmother? Boyfriend found out? Got her period? Forgot about her sisters marriage? Car stolen? Pick your poison!

[CIVMatt]

Hey you're the one that wanted to start shooting content, get used to it, their called Amateurs for a reason

[Enemator]

Originally Posted by StarkReality

Why did she cancel? Car accident? Ill mom? Dead relative? Ill cat? Dead cat? Broken car? Ill grandmother? Boyfriend found out? Got her period? Forgot about her sisters marriage? Car stolen? Pick your poison!

"My nan died"

[Iron Fist]

Originally Posted by StarkReality

Why did she cancel? Car accident? Ill mom? Dead relative? Ill cat? Dead cat? Broken car? Ill grandmother? Boyfriend found out? Got her period? Forgot about her sisters marriage? Car stolen? Pick your poison!

I think you covered it all

[Nikki_Licks]

I am pretty sure the above comments covered it all. It is something you will have to get use to if your shooting content. I have had some call and cancel an hour before or not call at all. It's the nature of this game we all love to play

[Manowar]

this thread has summed it up

welcome to the world of flakes

[Pleasurepays]

my experience from running tons of cam studios and guess is that "amateur" is probably not much different... girls know they need money on friday or have some specific need.. so they talk themselves into doing something they really don't want to do or don't feel good about doing in the first place..hence, they will have a high rate of flaking out after they have time to really think about it or at that moment when it comes time to actually pull the trigger and they idea they were trying to get comfortable with becomes a sudden reality that takes on a whole new meaning.

[Lycanthrope]

Because they are wimmens

[tranza]

That's because they're not professionals!

[Fletch XXX]

98% of the ppl in this world or flaky, unreliable, etc... look up personalities, you will find, most intelligent people (leaders etc) are less than 1% of the world pop.

[sue]

Because they are amateurs..........

*hugs and kisses*

[DarkJedi]

Originally Posted by commonsense

If they at least called you to cancel, consider yourself lucky.

Quoted for the truth!

[JP-pornshooter]

the worst thing to shoot is gg or b/g/g shoots..
more girls you need in a scene increase the cancellation ratio exponentially
so with 2 girls, it is 4 times more likely to cancel on you compared to a regular b/g or solo shoot.
and usually the girl who does show up still expects to get paid.. go figure.

[Kudles]

That sucks

[fluffygrrl]

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

and usually the girl who does show up still expects to get paid.. go figure.

Obviously. How is it her problem you suck as a producer ?

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by fluffygrrl

Obviously. How is it her problem you suck as a producer ?

Says who. YOU?

[CaptainHowdy]

That's why they're amateur models I guess...

[notime]

amateurs are like t0ddlers, fucking anoying sometimes, always wanna know where where red line is

[fluffygrrl]

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

Says who. YOU?

Actually, you.

It's the job of the producer to get everything to the set. Cameras. Cameramen. Power. Grips. Water. Models. Agents. Everything.

You failed on one minor, yet crucial detail. No model. In a real business you'd be fired. In this playground, you get to bitch on a board. Enjoy.

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by fluffygrrl

Actually, you.

It's the job of the producer to get everything to the set. Cameras. Cameramen. Power. Grips. Water. Models. Agents. Everything.

You failed on one minor, yet crucial detail. No model. In a real business you'd be fired. In this playground, you get to bitch on a board. Enjoy.

Actually, you directed your comment at jp pornshooter, not me. I did not fail at anything.
I always have a backup and my sets and shoots run smoothly.
Now go suck your tranny infested dick...bitch...bastard or whatever you call yourself.

Next, you will tell us you are a producer, right?

[DestroDamus]

You can never be surprised what a porn chic does, expect the worst! Unless her rate is really high!!

[DestroDamus]

You can never be surprised what a porn chic does, expect the worst! Unless her rate is really high!!

[fluffygrrl]

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

Actually, you directed your comment at jp pornshooter, not me. I did not fail at anything.
I always have a backup and my sets and shoots run smoothly.
Now go suck your tranny infested dick...bitch...bastard or whatever you call yourself.

Next, you will tell us you are a producer, right?

Hey, I think I got my OPs mixed up. Yea, not according to you, according to him.

Sorry about that.

Umm... Foulmouth ?

[sweetcuties]

I love amateurs despite the bs... there's nothing sexier or cutier than an amateur

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by fluffygrrl

Sorry about that.

Umm... Foulmouth ?

NP. yea, I lick the good stuff with this foul mouth

[Brad Gosse]

I usually try to book in a few each day so I can deal with the no shows.

I expect a 50% cancelation rate.

[Pornstuck]

Because they are Amateur's duhh..

[SilentKnight]

Dealin' with flakey, amateur wannabe models is an occupational hazard and to be expected.

We've had our share of no-show models over the years, or first-time amateurs who balk when they realize they aren't getting a few grand for a few hours of shooting. Many wannabe models have misconceptions about the industry and the money and think they're entitled to a king's ransom in wage right from the start.

As others have pointed out - be thankful they even called to cancel. Much of the time you don't even get that courtesy.

Better that they cancel before a shoot rather than come back at you weeks later and beg you not to publish/distribute the shots. I'd sooner have someone flake from the start than deal with the 'regret' confrontation after the work's been done.

[JP-pornshooter]

Originally Posted by fluffygrrl

Actually, you.

It's the job of the producer to get everything to the set. Cameras. Cameramen. Power. Grips. Water. Models. Agents. Everything.

You failed on one minor, yet crucial detail. No model. In a real business you'd be fired. In this playground, you get to bitch on a board. Enjoy.

this is the real world.. but i cant fire myself, just take the loss and learn.

most of the models i book are through an agency, it cuts down the cancellation ratio somewhat but not at all entirely.
The thing is when you deal with an agency, the model have no "negotiation power", if something goes wry, you contact the agency and work it out. So if the agency are supposed to deliver two models, but only one show up, guess who's problem the compensation of the one model becomes? bingo.. agency, but still a wasted day for you and possible location and support staff expenses out the window.

[RTP]

this is why some production studios wont even work with new and first-timers. no show for production cost hurts. everything said is true, they are not professionals, back out or excuses...it's like getting someone who has no responsibility in life to show up for a job.

for the person interfacing with the model...the first line of contact, agency or whoever...it takes hand holding, cultivating a relationship with them and communication - not many people have time to do this and even if you do there is still a big chance on a flake

[MrAwesome]

Originally Posted by Star 69

Truth

They are new in the biz, and they still don't know will they be in the biz or it's just for some $$$ or for fun, or some other mental stuff.

exactly!

[AaliyahLove]

Originally Posted by fluffygrrl

Obviously. How is it her problem you suck as a producer ?

Why is fluffygirl/guy such a hater? Which one of you GFY'ers pissed in her Cheerios? LOL

[fluffygrrl]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Better that they cancel before a shoot rather than come back at you weeks later and beg you not to publish/distribute the shots. I'd sooner have someone flake from the start than deal with the 'regret' confrontation after the work's been done.

Can always charge a 20% off the top of whatever you could make for the scene and call it good.

They want the shot burried that bad, hey, they can get a loan, or whatever.

[fluffygrrl]

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

this is the real world.. but i cant fire myself, just take the loss and learn.

most of the models i book are through an agency, it cuts down the cancellation ratio somewhat but not at all entirely.
The thing is when you deal with an agency, the model have no "negotiation power", if something goes wry, you contact the agency and work it out. So if the agency are supposed to deliver two models, but only one show up, guess who's problem the compensation of the one model becomes? bingo.. agency, but still a wasted day for you and possible location and support staff expenses out the window.

No rose without torns, and often enough it doesn't even take a rose.

I guess what you do is compare overbooking costs vs cancellation costs, and find a sweetspot.