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Old 09-23-2008, 10:01 PM   #51
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Better to make blogs with lots of their embedded movies, at least you could make some money on their bandwidth.
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Why waste your own bandwidth? 100 GFY people doing this wont matter, just like the "dont buy gas" days.



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Why not just send your shittiest foreign traffic to their longest videos? It's pretty easy to do in fact, just a few lines in htaccess.

One step further, why not create a coalition that will buy dirt cheap shitty traffic and send it to some of these sites to watch them get buried?
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Why not just send your shittiest foreign traffic to their longest videos? It's pretty easy to do in fact, just a few lines in htaccess.

One step further, why not create a coalition that will buy dirt cheap shitty traffic and send it to some of these sites to watch them get buried?
if it actually started to make any difference I'm sure they will just block/redirect that foreign traffic anyways

and the proxy idea, while a good thought, will only go so far, because you will probably kill off the proxies faster than you will make enough of a difference to the tube sites

and the problem with embedding on your blogs is the watermarks will just draw the surfers to the tubesites directly and you will be adding to the problem in streaming half hour videos like they do anyways

the zombie dos idea might be the best one, other than the little issue with illegality

the tubesite attackers might think it a good idea to concentrate efforts on one or two sites at once though, rather than spreading it around... perhaps the stolen content site that ranks highest on google for the hugest keywords might be where they concentrate their efforts on?
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Let's put this in perspective people... I was looking at ONE video and it was about 5 minutes in length.. not too long.. but still little too long for my liking.. anyways.... I looked at the "views" number before I refreshed and after.. and for ONE video, it jumped almost 4000 views in 5 minutes...

iframing them/proxy or refreshing them to death won't put a dent in the larger operations, hell i'd be surprised if they even knew that you were doing it or cared at all for that matter.
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Let's put this in perspective people... I was looking at ONE video and it was about 5 minutes in length.. not too long.. but still little too long for my liking.. anyways.... I looked at the "views" number before I refreshed and after.. and for ONE video, it jumped almost 4000 views in 5 minutes...

iframing them/proxy or refreshing them to death won't put a dent in the larger operations, hell i'd be surprised if they even knew that you were doing it or cared at all for that matter.
well, if the numbers are accurate, I bet those 4000 people probably only watched a few seconds of the video before jumping on to the next one, and that was probably a featured video on the front page, so that ONE video may actually represent a larger proportion of viewers than the rest of the videos on the site

but I agree with you

it will take a pretty big and continuing type of effort on them to achieve the goal

it should be fairly easy to calculate bandwidth costs to see what actual monetary effect any of the plans would cost on them... ie. number of videos streamed vs. bandwidth costs... .it would be interesting to see some numbers from someone that feels like calculating
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All do repect Jay, you of all people know a lot about traffic of course...but Wrong way of thinking bro....tube sites are a new way of doing business and marketing. Its the way for people living around the world.....and changes you cant fight and have to change with it.... Instead of spending time talking about " taking down tube sites " , you should adapt to these changes and make money from it....and even build your own legit money making tube site :-)......Remember, we have been showing porn video online since 1994...thats 14 years ( or i can say 140 human years with the speed the internet is moving )....there is A LOT of content, a A LOT of options and A LOT of new stuff coming up for everyone...

Do you make lots gallery pages for each site in your program? Why not just have 1 mega "tube" or whatever you want to call it and put all galleries on 1 page?
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it should be fairly easy to calculate bandwidth costs to see what actual monetary effect any of the plans would cost on them... ie. number of videos streamed vs. bandwidth costs... .it would be interesting to see some numbers from someone that feels like calculating

it would be interesting and a sort of "feel-good" incentive for those that did do something...... kind of like the content removal people who say "35 gigs of stolen content removed today", it would be cool for the tubesite bandwidth-burner peoples to be able to say "we cost tubesite-x $12000 in extra bandwidth charges this month"
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if it actually started to make any difference I'm sure they will just block/redirect that foreign traffic anyways

and the proxy idea, while a good thought, will only go so far, because you will probably kill off the proxies faster than you will make enough of a difference to the tube sites

and the problem with embedding on your blogs is the watermarks will just draw the surfers to the tubesites directly and you will be adding to the problem in streaming half hour videos like they do anyways

the zombie dos idea might be the best one, other than the little issue with illegality

the tubesite attackers might think it a good idea to concentrate efforts on one or two sites at once though, rather than spreading it around... perhaps the stolen content site that ranks highest on google for the hugest keywords might be where they concentrate their efforts on?
Perhaps, you could mix it up though.

I think you would have to concentrate on one or two. Bury them till they go down for good. As for legality, I don't think they are going to go cry wolf. Most of them are doing something illegal already and probably don't want to draw too much ire from the government.
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Old 09-24-2008, 12:07 AM   #61
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All do repect Jay, you of all people know a lot about traffic of course...but Wrong way of thinking bro....tube sites are a new way of doing business and marketing. Its the way for people living around the world.....and changes you cant fight and have to change with it.... Instead of spending time talking about " taking down tube sites " , you should adapt to these changes and make money from it....and even build your own legit money making tube site :-)......Remember, we have been showing porn video online since 1994...thats 14 years ( or i can say 140 human years with the speed the internet is moving )....there is A LOT of content, a A LOT of options and A LOT of new stuff coming up for everyone...

Do you make lots gallery pages for each site in your program? Why not just have 1 mega "tube" or whatever you want to call it and put all galleries on 1 page?
Raffi, just because you sell cheap content to the couple guys that do keep it legal doesn't make the whole concept a good thing. The damage giving away 25 minute videos of all the top pornstars isn't going to mean a god damn thing until we have the technology to make Amy Ried come out of the computer screen and fuck you.

I'd say we are still 20 years away from that.

The new generation of porn surfers coming online will think it is a ludicrous idea to pay for porn and they'd be right.

Then who will you have to see cheap videos to?

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Raffi, just because you sell cheap content to the couple guys that do keep it legal doesn't make the whole concept a good thing. The damage giving away 25 minute videos of all the top pornstars isn't going to mean a god damn thing until we have the technology to make Amy Ried come out of the computer screen and fuck you.

I'd say we are still 20 years away from that.

The new generation of porn surfers coming online will think it is a ludicrous idea to pay for porn and they'd be right.

Then who will you have to see cheap videos to?


Jay, i am surprised you dont know much....WWC is not the cheapest....We are actually higher than MANY content providers who are trying to duplicate our business and compete with us! We WONT go lower than a certain price....Proof is I have 18 in house WWC employees to support and provide a service and product to the industry. Others have only a few staff so they can afford to sell much cheaper. Its also depends on the quality of content, year made, niche, availability, etc...this is business my friend.

Although, thats not the point, the point is that i dont control the market, the industry and ALL of the people in it control the market and not to mention the consumer spending habits, new ways of living, economy, etc....you need to understand. The future is closer than you think ;-) not 20 years from now....remember, we have been in this for a LONGGGGG time..... our friend Bill Gates even said, DVD will be obsolete in 5 years.....

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guys you sound like people from redirect hosts that tried to fight tgps that killed our business in 2002-2003.

yeah Zango script is a great idea... kill all your traffic with this shit, the people won't back to you - their new bookmark will be clean tube sites that offer 40mins videos
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Better to make blogs with lots of their embedded movies, at least you could make some money on their bandwidth.
Thats actually the best idea.
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Better to make blogs with lots of their embedded movies, at least you could make some money on their bandwidth.

Thats actually the best idea.

that's actually a bullshit idea

all you are doing is giving the biggest thieving tubesites alot of backlinks and watermark exposure

fuck that

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Old 09-24-2008, 09:38 AM   #68
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Here is an idea. Get rid of the fucking "download my whole members area for 30.00" crap. Protect your investment in your exclusive content. If you bought a brand new Mercedes would you leave it out on the street unlocked with the windows down and then be surprised when its stolen? Lock shit down. Get away from the 'rental' model we have now.
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OK now this is an idea i can get behind that shit is fucking funny.
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I believe there is a simple option in Opera to reload apage every five minutes automatically. The same with Firefox in the form of extensions.

Simple. Load the url to a five minute or gretaervideo and set this up each night before you go to sleep. Multiply this by 1,000 webmasters and it can get pretty effective. No coding reuired. Easy as can be. Completely automated.
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Example using Opera:

1. Enter Pornhub/tube8 video url.
2. Right click.
3. "Click Reload Every..."
4. select from every 15 seconds to 30 minutes.

It will reload forever.

LOL

Can we get this stickied?
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Old 09-24-2008, 01:03 PM   #74
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I'd put up $25 a month into a fund to buy Boneprone... I mean Chinese traffic and send it to their sites. If 400 webmasters did so the fun would grow to $10,000 a month. I am sure we could get a few million clicks of Chinese traffic for that.

Then again... I hear AFF is doing well in China now...
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The future is closer than you think ;-) not 20 years from now....remember, we have been in this for a LONGGGGG time..... our friend Bill Gates even said, DVD will be obsolete in 5 years.....
Well someone better hurry up and build a time machine in the next 6 months so we can jump forward in time 20 years and get that pornstar generator because this business, as we know it, will be dead in 2 years.

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Well someone better hurry up and build a time machine in the next 6 months so we can jump forward in time 20 years and get that pornstar generator because this business, as we know it, will be dead in 2 years.

:-) i know your a good client and thank you for your business! I have some great plans coming out with WWC and WorldWideFeeds.com ..... but this business wont be dead just change the way we do business , we need to see where consumer is willing to spend and go after that.... we'll have a drink at Webmaster Access in LA and go over lots of good stuff.....

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First, we get a bunch of those plastic knives, you know, just in case there are metal detectors. Then we get a dog. Not like some Lassie motherfucker, but an old hound dog with one leg, one eye, and half of its tail missing. With duct tape, we attach those plastic knives to the dog so it's like a one-eyed, three-legged porcupine of fucking doom! Next, we need a car. Something sporty, but practical. Like a '99 Chevy Cavalier, but with rims nigga because when we're at a stop light it should look like we're still rolling. Chickenheads love that shit! Ok, so anyway, next we need to get rubber bands and paper clips. MacGuyver always had that shit laying around he was making atomic bombs with them. Now we tie up all those rubber-band together to make one giant band, and weld the paper clips together to make a big Y-shaped structure that we attach the giant rubber band to, effectively creating a giant slingshot. We put the porcupine pooch into that bitch, and using the car to pull the band back as far as it can go, we launch that kooky canine at Steve Johnson's house because that cocksucker used to call me "Fatty McButterpants" in high school. That'll teach those tube sites.
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Example using Opera:

1. Enter Pornhub/tube8 video url.
2. Right click.
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4. select from every 15 seconds to 30 minutes.

It will reload forever.

LOL

Can we get this stickied?
What will that do? You do know there are millions of people every day already watching using the bandwidth, you think you reloading a video all day is going to make any difference to them? Even a 1000 of you reloading a video everyday is not even going to register on there bandwidth graph.
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Actually the coup de gras will be when AFF and other big companies stop giving 20K per month prepays. Once upon a time they were buying exits like that. At that point they will have no more funding and should tank.
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i don't think you can stop a tube site with anything short of a DDOS attack, which would be illegal

even youtube still has copyrighted material all over the place, while they are in a $1b lawsuit already.
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First, we get a bunch of those plastic knives, you know, just in case there are metal detectors. Then we get a dog. Not like some Lassie motherfucker, but an old hound dog with one leg, one eye, and half of its tail missing. With duct tape, we attach those plastic knives to the dog so it's like a one-eyed, three-legged porcupine of fucking doom! Next, we need a car. Something sporty, but practical. Like a '99 Chevy Cavalier, but with rims nigga because when we're at a stop light it should look like we're still rolling. Chickenheads love that shit! Ok, so anyway, next we need to get rubber bands and paper clips. MacGuyver always had that shit laying around he was making atomic bombs with them. Now we tie up all those rubber-band together to make one giant band, and weld the paper clips together to make a big Y-shaped structure that we attach the giant rubber band to, effectively creating a giant slingshot. We put the porcupine pooch into that bitch, and using the car to pull the band back as far as it can go, we launch that kooky canine at Steve Johnson's house because that cocksucker used to call me "Fatty McButterpants" in high school. That'll teach those tube sites.




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First, we get a bunch of those plastic knives, you know, just in case there are metal detectors. Then we get a dog. Not like some Lassie motherfucker, but an old hound dog with one leg, one eye, and half of its tail missing. With duct tape, we attach those plastic knives to the dog so it's like a one-eyed, three-legged porcupine of fucking doom! Next, we need a car. Something sporty, but practical. Like a '99 Chevy Cavalier, but with rims nigga because when we're at a stop light it should look like we're still rolling. Chickenheads love that shit! Ok, so anyway, next we need to get rubber bands and paper clips. MacGuyver always had that shit laying around he was making atomic bombs with them. Now we tie up all those rubber-band together to make one giant band, and weld the paper clips together to make a big Y-shaped structure that we attach the giant rubber band to, effectively creating a giant slingshot. We put the porcupine pooch into that bitch, and using the car to pull the band back as far as it can go, we launch that kooky canine at Steve Johnson's house because that cocksucker used to call me "Fatty McButterpants" in high school. That'll teach those tube sites.

OMG I literally spit out my soda. That is the funniest shit I have read in a LONG time!
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Every time you jerk off to a nice 25 minute free video, blow your load about 2 minutes and then let the rest of the video play while you get a snack or go to sleep.

I know it doesn't sound like much, but if we had millions of people doing it every day their bandwidth bill would would go through the roof and they would have to find a new business model.

Hell, I a doing it to pornhub right now!

Good night ya'll!
nah I just use RealPlayer 11 and download all the videos anyways.
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Old 09-25-2008, 06:44 PM   #86
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until we have the technology to make Amy Ried come out of the computer screen and fuck you.

I'd say we are still 20 years away from that.
More like 90 days . . .
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Old 09-27-2008, 11:55 AM   #87
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Another easy idea that may be worth a try...

Upload as many taped webcam shows as you can to all tube sites. Once the surfers get this boring content for free, they will be less inclined to bother clicking any of the webcam links that are riddled all over most tube sites.

If surfers don't click through to the webcam links that the tube sites reply on for revenue, guess what happens...
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Another easy idea that may be worth a try...

Upload as many taped webcam shows as you can to all tube sites. Once the surfers get this boring content for free, they will be less inclined to bother clicking any of the webcam links that are riddled all over most tube sites.

If surfers don't click through to the webcam links that the tube sites reply on for revenue, guess what happens...
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Every time you jerk off to a nice 25 minute free video, blow your load about 2 minutes and then let the rest of the video play while you get a snack or go to sleep.

I know it doesn't sound like much, but if we had millions of people doing it every day their bandwidth bill would would go through the roof and they would have to find a new business model.

Hell, I a doing it to pornhub right now!

Good night ya'll!
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