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DamageX · 10-25-2008, 03:37 AM

Day in and day out I see sponsors flaunting their stats from "random" affiliates on GFY and other boards, showing great ratios "mainly from TGP traffic" and other bullshit like that. Here's the deal, those great ratios are ALMOST ALWAYS join-page ratios. Don't believe me? Send a bunch of traffic to any sponsor's one paysite tour. Check the stats. Then switch your linking code and send the same amount straight to join. You'll see a nice difference in hits counted. Not gonna name any names, just be aware that some of the most vocal and self-professed honest sponsors use this technique. So don't let yourself get fooled by their "we're the best thing since sliced bread" rhetoric.

Darkcrni · 10-25-2008, 03:45 AM

I must say that i agree with you!!!

After Shock Media · 10-25-2008, 03:48 AM

I am willing to have people test this, everyone send traffic to the sponsor in my sig.

DamageX · 10-25-2008, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I am willing to have people test this, everyone send traffic to the sponsor in my sig.

Some day I will, but not as a test of honesty. You weren't even on the list of crooks I was thinking of.

After Shock Media · 10-25-2008, 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamageX

Some day I will, but not as a test of honesty. You weren't even on the list of crooks I was thinking of.

I know that. I just saw the opening and want everyones traffic.

CuriousToyBoy · 10-25-2008, 04:17 AM

I agree wholeheartedly.

FYI, LionDollars stats show raw hits AND 2ND PAGE HITS, which includes direct to join page hits.

The issue for us has never been raw vs unique, but HOW MANY PEOPLE LAND ON THE JOIN OR CLICK THROUGH TO JOIN.

Here is my personal account stats for the month so far - my OWN traffic, TGP's, blog network etc:
Username Hits Uniques Joins Rebills Refunds Chargebacks
toyboyXXX 70945 25390 164 182 11 8

Hits = raw hits

Uniques = 2nd page/Join page hits

Now that makes 1:432 is to RAW (not uniques) and 1:154 is to join.

The interesting thing is that many affiliates look at their stats, ask the question as to why they look funny, get the above explanation and come back blank.

The other thing is that even my personal stats above are total bullshit when it comes to the usual affiliate.

I KNOW my traffic, I filter it, massage it, re-route it and clean it, because I know how to, and trust me, there are many peeps out there MUCH better at it than me.

That is why TGP and Blog traffic still works so well in my case.

2c

;-)

DamageX · 10-25-2008, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I know that. I just saw the opening and want everyones traffic.

NinjaSteve · 10-25-2008, 06:12 AM

If you're not naming names, then this is boring.

DamageX · 10-25-2008, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NinjaSteve

If you're not naming names, then this is boring.

Boring, perhaps. However, since when does a thread names being named in order to be useful?

kmanrox · 10-25-2008, 06:22 AM

I'm K-Man, and I approved this thread.

MoreMagic · 10-25-2008, 06:48 AM

Shit

and it started so great.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmanrox

I'm K-Man, and I approved this thread.

DaddyHalbucks · 10-25-2008, 07:02 AM

It wouldn't surprise me.

Iron Fist · 10-25-2008, 08:10 AM

Desperate times call for desperate measures

DamageX · 10-25-2008, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharphead

Desperate times call for desperate measures

In that case the times have been desperate for a few years now.

Pete-KT · 10-25-2008, 08:49 AM

we always show 1st page stats, we NEVER show join page stats not even in the members area for affilaites

VicD · 10-25-2008, 09:18 AM

Nobody is honest in this world...

Barefootsies · 10-25-2008, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete-KT

we always show 1st page stats, we NEVER show join page stats not even in the members area for affilaites

TheDoc · 10-25-2008, 09:34 AM

For NATS programs, other than on tours... So hosted galleries, promo tools, ect. If you 'direct link to the join page' it will not track clicks and it will not set a cookie. Yes, this method tosses ratios off for galleries, very much so.

With NATS codes, if you add /join to the end of a linking code, it will take you to the join page. It sets a cookie and tracks the click.

So if you look at your sponsor galleries, and you see direct join page linking codes (for nats programs) you may want to tell them the proper way to link to join pages, so your traffic will be tracked properly.

If you see proper /join links for nats progs, you know it's 100% tracking every click, every time.. and setting a proper cookie.

Any NATS owners reading this: If you hard link join pages, let say the visitor previously visited one of your other Paysites. When the visit the direct linked join page, the "other" paysites join page will pull up.

Mr.Right - Banned For Life · 10-25-2008, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamageX

Day in and day out I see sponsors flaunting their stats from "random" affiliates on GFY and other boards, showing great ratios "mainly from TGP traffic" and other bullshit like that. Here's the deal, those great ratios are ALMOST ALWAYS join-page ratios. Don't believe me? Send a bunch of traffic to any sponsor's one paysite tour. Check the stats. Then switch your linking code and send the same amount straight to join. You'll see a nice difference in hits counted. Not gonna name any names, just be aware that some of the most vocal and self-professed honest sponsors use this technique. So don't let yourself get fooled by their "we're the best thing since sliced bread" rhetoric.

In other news: water is wet.

Mr.Right - Banned For Life · 10-25-2008, 11:47 AM

Oh and btw, all the big, popular sponsors shave.

qxm · 10-25-2008, 11:51 AM

<<<< Scratching his balls says: "I always suspected something like this was going on..."

</lol>

Iron Fist · 10-25-2008, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamageX

In that case the times have been desperate for a few years now.

True enough... I have some trades I think you might be interested in... can I hit you up later tonight? can you email sharphead [at] sharphead [dot] net please and I'll get in touch please

notoldschool · 10-25-2008, 12:11 PM

Join page stats? LOL

Jens Van Assterdam · 10-25-2008, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Right

Oh and btw, all the big, popular sponsors shave.

If they would not, they would look like monkeys!! SENSE EHHH???
Post some proof!

DamageX · 10-25-2008, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharphead

True enough... I have some trades I think you might be interested in... can I hit you up later tonight? can you email sharphead [at] sharphead [dot] net please and I'll get in touch please

Sure thing, ICQ me, 1566665.

Puremeds-J · 10-25-2008, 11:21 PM

I dont care if sponsor A shows me 50 hits and 10 sales
and sponsor B shows me 2000 hits and 5 sales..

First works for me ;)

But if you would like to test your clicks on us, go for it! You'll be happy!

woj · 10-25-2008, 11:34 PM

You guys are way over analyzing this, isn't it 1000 times easier to just make shit up on the spot? "Our site converts at 1 in {random number between 100 and 200} on tgp traffic!"

Paul Markham · 10-25-2008, 11:45 PM

Bull shitting affiliates is a standard promotion practice on most boards. The stupid get fooled, the wise do not. Can be sponsors or affiliates with a coded link. No news here.

The last year has been bad for online porn, anyone who says it's otherwise it a FUCKING LIAR. But in thread after thread sponsors will tell everyone they are converting as well or better than ever. Just in the hope of a few gullible webmasters sending a few more clicks.

Scraping the barrel.

Yes we're doing worse than a year ago. And honest enough to admit it.

The problem is affiliates who get fooled don't come back and expose the bull shitters.

BlueDude · 10-25-2008, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Right

Oh and btw, all the big, popular sponsors shave.

What does 'shave' means?

bloggingseo · 10-25-2008, 11:59 PM

This thread deserves a sig spot and a "I wish we could know who you were talking about"

- Jesus Christ - · 10-26-2008, 12:04 AM

I think if you ask most reputable programs they will tell you exactly what their stats relay. Its not like its hard to test. If you find a progam that lies... stop promoting them and let people know thier name.

As for shaving; there is a VERY simple and easy way to detect it. Run your finger over the area. If it feels smooth... well... you know what's up. :/

RP Fade · 10-26-2008, 12:50 AM

We had this conversation before Damage 'elsewhere' if you recall and I dont get it either how it's become an accepted industry norm. As a webmaster and TGP/MPG owner I always hated this smoke and mirrors from sponsors. One thing we take pride in at NScash is that we ONLY count first page hits, not 2nd page, not join page, but FIRST page hits and we'll put our first page ratios against any sponsor any day. What you see is what you get...and that's it should be.

and /end shameless plug

DamageX · 10-26-2008, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RP Fade

We had this conversation before Damage 'elsewhere' if you recall and I dont get it either how it's become an accepted industry norm. As a webmaster and TGP/MPG owner I always hated this smoke and mirrors from sponsors. One thing we take pride in at NScash is that we ONLY count first page hits, not 2nd page, not join page, but FIRST page hits and we'll put our first page ratios against any sponsor any day. What you see is what you get...and that's it should be.

and /end shameless plug

Kard63 · 10-26-2008, 02:54 PM

Unless its pretty much your best damn friend a ratio is useless. Statistics can be interpreted so many different ways you need a paragraph explanation to qualify it and conveniently these guys never include the paragraph.

Sly · 10-26-2008, 03:08 PM

I've always believed that it's very important to get an accurate assessment of your true numbers... not just what the sponsor gives you. When comparing ratios across program, you need the ability to compare apples to apples, not apples to bananas.

Fortunately with our system you can do this... we show you numbers on first page, second page, trailers, and the join page. Allows you to get a true assessment of your numbers.

MediaManiac · 10-26-2008, 03:12 PM

this thread is going to be interesting..

Nicky · 10-26-2008, 03:26 PM

In the end the $$ earned is the important part but It's still nice to see click statistics to measure certain things.

But since this thread was about sponsors showing stats to get more affiliates, those numbers usually mean jack shit, can be targetted SE traffic but they always say It's TGP.

Brujah · 10-26-2008, 03:42 PM

If you aren't sending to Join page, you're missing out!

d-null · 10-26-2008, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bloggingseo

This thread deserves a sig spot and a "I wish we could know who you were talking about"

you can tell within a day if you look at your numbers, he's not just telling you about one or two sponsors

10-25-2008, 03:37 AM	#1
DamageX Marketing & Strategy Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Former nomad Posts: 14,293	Think your favourite sponsor is being honest with you? Think again! Day in and day out I see sponsors flaunting their stats from "random" affiliates on GFY and other boards, showing great ratios "mainly from TGP traffic" and other bullshit like that. Here's the deal, those great ratios are ALMOST ALWAYS join-page ratios. Don't believe me? Send a bunch of traffic to any sponsor's one paysite tour. Check the stats. Then switch your linking code and send the same amount straight to join. You'll see a nice difference in hits counted. Not gonna name any names, just be aware that some of the most vocal and self-professed honest sponsors use this technique. So don't let yourself get fooled by their "we're the best thing since sliced bread" rhetoric. __________________ Whitehat is for chumps If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

10-25-2008, 03:48 AM	#3
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	I am willing to have people test this, everyone send traffic to the sponsor in my sig. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

10-25-2008, 04:17 AM	#6
CuriousToyBoy Crazy Aussie Bastard Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Wherever I lay my hat, that's my home. Posts: 16,787	I agree wholeheartedly. FYI, LionDollars stats show raw hits AND 2ND PAGE HITS, which includes direct to join page hits. The issue for us has never been raw vs unique, but HOW MANY PEOPLE LAND ON THE JOIN OR CLICK THROUGH TO JOIN. Here is my personal account stats for the month so far - my OWN traffic, TGP's, blog network etc: Username Hits Uniques Joins Rebills Refunds Chargebacks toyboyXXX 70945 25390 164 182 11 8 Hits = raw hits Uniques = 2nd page/Join page hits Now that makes 1:432 is to RAW (not uniques) and 1:154 is to join. The interesting thing is that many affiliates look at their stats, ask the question as to why they look funny, get the above explanation and come back blank. The other thing is that even my personal stats above are total bullshit when it comes to the usual affiliate. I KNOW my traffic, I filter it, massage it, re-route it and clean it, because I know how to, and trust me, there are many peeps out there MUCH better at it than me. That is why TGP and Blog traffic still works so well in my case. 2c ;-) __________________ Celebs Adult Who's Who ==> Ambush Interview ==> ICQ 293 070 684 ==> intmarpacrim AT gmail DOT com

10-25-2008, 06:12 AM	#8
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10-25-2008, 06:22 AM	#10
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10-25-2008, 03:45 AM	#2
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10-25-2008, 07:02 AM	#12
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10-25-2008, 08:10 AM	#13
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10-25-2008, 08:49 AM	#15
Pete-KT Workin With The Devil Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 51,532	we always show 1st page stats, we NEVER show join page stats not even in the members area for affilaites

10-25-2008, 09:18 AM	#16
VicD ICQ: 304-611-162 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Masterdam Posts: 13,245	Nobody is honest in this world...

10-25-2008, 09:34 AM	#18
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	For NATS programs, other than on tours... So hosted galleries, promo tools, ect. If you 'direct link to the join page' it will not track clicks and it will not set a cookie. Yes, this method tosses ratios off for galleries, very much so. With NATS codes, if you add /join to the end of a linking code, it will take you to the join page. It sets a cookie and tracks the click. So if you look at your sponsor galleries, and you see direct join page linking codes (for nats programs) you may want to tell them the proper way to link to join pages, so your traffic will be tracked properly. If you see proper /join links for nats progs, you know it's 100% tracking every click, every time.. and setting a proper cookie. Any NATS owners reading this: If you hard link join pages, let say the visitor previously visited one of your other Paysites. When the visit the direct linked join page, the "other" paysites join page will pull up. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

10-25-2008, 11:47 AM	#20
Mr.Right - Banned For Life I guarantee it Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 18,314	Oh and btw, all the big, popular sponsors shave.

10-25-2008, 11:51 AM	#21
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10-25-2008, 12:11 PM	#23
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10-25-2008, 11:21 PM	#26
Puremeds-J Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Mountains of Washington State Posts: 939	I dont care if sponsor A shows me 50 hits and 10 sales and sponsor B shows me 2000 hits and 5 sales.. First works for me ;) But if you would like to test your clicks on us, go for it! You'll be happy! __________________ BiWeekly Payouts with no delay! - Now on NATS - $30 Per Trial - Check, Wire, Paxum! WE GOT AFRICAN MANGO! - Check out our New Reality Tour for CXPILL!

10-25-2008, 11:34 PM	#27
woj <&(©¿©)&> Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 47,882	You guys are way over analyzing this, isn't it 1000 times easier to just make shit up on the spot? "Our site converts at 1 in {random number between 100 and 200} on tgp traffic!" __________________ Custom Software Development, email: woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details or skype: wojl2000 or gchat: wojfun or telegram: wojl2000 Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager

10-25-2008, 11:45 PM	#28
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Bull shitting affiliates is a standard promotion practice on most boards. The stupid get fooled, the wise do not. Can be sponsors or affiliates with a coded link. No news here. The last year has been bad for online porn, anyone who says it's otherwise it a FUCKING LIAR. But in thread after thread sponsors will tell everyone they are converting as well or better than ever. Just in the hope of a few gullible webmasters sending a few more clicks. Scraping the barrel. Yes we're doing worse than a year ago. And honest enough to admit it. The problem is affiliates who get fooled don't come back and expose the bull shitters. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

10-25-2008, 11:59 PM	#30
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10-26-2008, 12:04 AM	#31
- Jesus Christ - Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ::::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: ::::::\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|:::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::: Posts: 7,197	I think if you ask most reputable programs they will tell you exactly what their stats relay. Its not like its hard to test. If you find a progam that lies... stop promoting them and let people know thier name. As for shaving; there is a VERY simple and easy way to detect it. Run your finger over the area. If it feels smooth... well... you know what's up. :/ __________________ Amen

10-26-2008, 12:50 AM	#32
RP Fade Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,343	We had this conversation before Damage 'elsewhere' if you recall and I dont get it either how it's become an accepted industry norm. As a webmaster and TGP/MPG owner I always hated this smoke and mirrors from sponsors. One thing we take pride in at NScash is that we ONLY count first page hits, not 2nd page, not join page, but FIRST page hits and we'll put our first page ratios against any sponsor any day. What you see is what you get...and that's it should be. and /end shameless plug __________________ HomemadeCash.com - Homemade & GF sites powered by NScash.com HomemadeVideoPass.com - The only all homemade mega site OurHomemadePorno.com - Real couples fucking on camera Contact ICQ: 400-786-531 Email: fade AT nscash.com

10-26-2008, 02:54 PM	#34
Kard63 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 237 619 975 Posts: 8,944	Unless its pretty much your best damn friend a ratio is useless. Statistics can be interpreted so many different ways you need a paragraph explanation to qualify it and conveniently these guys never include the paragraph. __________________

10-26-2008, 03:08 PM	#35
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,290	I've always believed that it's very important to get an accurate assessment of your true numbers... not just what the sponsor gives you. When comparing ratios across program, you need the ability to compare apples to apples, not apples to bananas. Fortunately with our system you can do this... we show you numbers on first page, second page, trailers, and the join page. Allows you to get a true assessment of your numbers. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available. Wanted: CCBill pay sites for sale

10-26-2008, 03:12 PM	#36
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10-26-2008, 03:26 PM	#37
Nicky Judge Jury and Executioner Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,069	In the end the $$ earned is the important part but It's still nice to see click statistics to measure certain things. But since this thread was about sponsors showing stats to get more affiliates, those numbers usually mean jack shit, can be targetted SE traffic but they always say It's TGP. __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com

10-26-2008, 03:42 PM	#38
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