Simone_MakeBank

That would be a shite way to end his career.

Of course, Randy's an intelligent fighter and will set the tone of the fight...but man, Lesnar is such a beast.

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Anthony

How do you think Couture will set the tone of the fight?

With the Greco Roman clinch, or dirty boxing? Randy will negate any of Lesnar's shots, as Randy has an excellent sprawl.

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I hope its not a snooze fest, where Lesnar just lays on Randy for 5 rounds. That Herring - Lesnar fight was boring as fuck after he knocked him dowm.

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Lesnar was a div 1 champion wrestler

Couture was an Olympic Wrestler.

Something to take into consideration.

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I'm really looking forward to that fight. Likely more than any other MMA fight to date.

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Randy is a natural light heavy though who was fighting middle of the wieght class heavies. Lesnar cuts 20 to 30 pounds just to make heavy weight. Both are awesome wrestlers.. but Lesnar has all the advantages in this fight.. technique only takes you so far.

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I think if Randy can take it into the 3rd round or later, he's got it in the bag.

If he can survive and tire Brock out in the first couple of rounds, experience and conditioning will come into play.

I call Randy in Round 4

mizmiz

Yea, but Lesner is MUCH bigger then Couture, so it doesnt matter how good wrestlar Couture is.

Anthony

I disagree, and I'm sure you'll find alot of those who train to fight will also disagree. Technique is the winning factor. Randy took Tim Sylvia down and outboxed one of the most dominant Heavyweights in UFC history. He won, with superior technique against a man who outweighted him by 40lbs.

Lesnar is still green. His fight record is an absolute joke. There is a HUGE difference between being a DIV 1 Wrestler, and an Olympic Wrestler. HUGE. Now, let's get past that. Greco Roman wrestling is better suited to MMA vs Free Style. Free Style Wrestling Shots can be negated by a good sprawl. Pummeling on the other hand, is a different beast in the Greco Roman world. If I'm loosing you here, look this up on google.

Lesnar will try for the single and double leg shot. Couture will negate it with the sprawl. I don't think Lesnar can stop Couture's clinch work, and that will be the deciding factor.

Technique wins fights, and with all things considered physically, the one with the superior technique will win.

That's my break down, and the great thing about MMA, is that any little factor can change a fight, and I am really looking forward to this fight, to watch Handy put Frate Trane on his ass and show him the chump that he is.

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Anthony

You've obvioulsy never wrestled.

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Deej

This topic is completely laughable!

Lesnar is a powerhouse yes- but in this sport hes a gimmick...

Couture is the real deal... hes faced much worse...

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mizmiz

really? Do you think 200 pounds muscled guy wont take down 140 pounds guy easily?
btw I train 3 times a week in judo.

do u guys remmber rico rodriguez vs Couture

Peter Romero

Exactly. Does anyone remember Gracie? He was kind of a big deal. And he weighed about 185 and beat EVERYONE regardless of thier size.

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get over it dude.. that was true in 1992 when there was a good chance that the bigger guy might not know anything about sub wrestling but thats not true anymore. These guys are much closer in wrestling skill than your trying to suggest. Add to that age and 50 pounds of muscle and lesnars going to drop bombs on Couture..

oh and Greco, the ultimate wrestling? gimme a break thats a sport for guys who aren't good enough to compete in Freestyle.

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I don't believe you. If you trained 3 times a week in Judo than you would know that a judoka with better technique will take down or stop a take down of a lesser Judoka.

I've had my ass handed to me by Yudansha Judoka who I outweighed by 50lbs+.

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does it happen? sure....

is the difference in skill present in this match? no

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I used to love him as a fighter, but now I am ready to see brock smash his face into the ground.

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Your reading comprehsnsion sucks ass. Lesnar is a Div 1 Wrestler, who couldn't make it on the Olympic team. Maybe you dont' know the difference between Olympic and Collegiate levels. Lesnar had a wrestling match with a broke down Kurt Angle back in the WWE days, and Kurt Angle (Olympic Champion) OWNED HIM.

As for me saying Greco was ultimate wrestling, show me where I said that, or shut the fuck up. I said Greco is more suited to MMA due to pummelling and clinch work. Learn how to comprehend.

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You are basing your views on what?

Decorated MMA CHAMPION, to hold belts in two weight classes. Olympic Level Athlete.

vs

Divsion 1 Wrestler, and WWE superstar with a shitty ass MMA record, whos most notable win was to Heath Herring, a Pride washout.

Yeah, you are right.

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Kurt owned Lesnar according to whom? Oh yeah Kurt big fucking suprise... pls show me the video of this happening otherwise gtfo.

Greco is better because of pummeling? WTF are you smoking... do you think they don't pummel in other wrestling styles? gimme a break....

Lastly why didn't Lesnar become an Olympian? Was it becuase he couldn't have done that? no..... oh yeah thats right becuase he'd rather make fucking money than persue a gold medal that isn't worth shit.

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thats all you needed to say... thanks

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Hey I'm just repeating what you WWE fanboys keep chanting about Angle coming in. Again, the difference in Olympic and College wrestling is big.


Pummeling and the Clinch, don't be leaving shit out to make your point, that's cowardly bullshit. They may pummel in freestyle, but it is not the bread and butter like it is in Greco. You know this, you are being dense.

Right... That's why he went and tried out Professional Football too. You are absolutely right.

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Lame.

Very.

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don't forget juvenile!

We'll see whos right on the 15th. FYI, I haven't watched WWE since it was the WWF and The Ultimate Warrior beat up Hulk Hogan.

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Anthony

I wouldn't count Randy out...

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Anthony

I was set for an educated discussion, but if you wanted to troll I could have done that too. Curious, have you trained in wrestling? Im thinking Freestyle, cause that's usually the mindset FS has on GR.

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mizmiz

Im not saying its not possible , Im just saying that Couture isnt a better wrestler then Lesner and Lesner is much more powerfull so hed take down Randy easily...

ScottXXX

Love to talk about it in more detail later. Yes, I've been training for a year. The wrestling instructors are college FS guys..

srsly though my opinion is summed up as follows..
- their not that different in terms of wrestling skill
- all differences will be made up for due to brocks size
- as long as brock plays conservative and doesn't get knocked the fuck out he'll win via decision.

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What do you base your opinion on?

Mine is really simple.

Randy Coture - Olympic Caliber Wrestler

Brock Lesnar - Collegiate Div 1 Wrestler

Throw in punches and kicks, and it really skews it for Couture. Randy by experience, technique, and dirty boxing.

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Pretty good break down detailing why Brock will win. I'm thinking if it goes past the 3rd round, it's gonna be Randy. And if Randy can survive the 1st round burst that Lessnar does, all the better.

I'm excited for this fight. I want the winner to take on Minotauro.

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I love Couture and all, and Im sure hes still feeling young with the benefits of growth hormones and all but I dont see Couture beating Lesnar with dirty boxing because he hasnt faced anyone near as strong as this guy, and please dont mention Silva. Lesnars record of course is comparable to Kimbos but he has a shit load of speed and strength which will be hard to contend with. Its not like Lesnar meeting Mir who is top of the line with submissions, which couture is not. Randy needs to get him in the later rounds hoping he gasses or that he makes a newbie mistake.

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It's not a title fight there is no round 4

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I agree with the latter rounds. I think Randy has better hands, and Lesnar isn't anywhere near as good striker as Tim.

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You might want to get your facts straight Bro.

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How the fuck did that happen, I thoun Minotaro was the champ? My BAD.

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germ

sure he is.

again...randy is a much better wrestler.

sure it is. interim belt. 5 rounds.

again...i say brock gasses in the later rounds and randy takes it in the later rounds.

DAMNMAN

How the fuck did Lesner rate a champ fight? Thats' some serious bullshit there. $$$$$$$$ box office wins every time.

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germ

nogiera is the UFC heavyweight champ.

its just some interim shit because of the fact that when randy left he still had the belt. its confusing.

notoldschool

Minataro is the interim champ fighting Mir and the winner fights whoever holds the belt after Couture (the champ) fights lesnar, so it could be Lesnar fighting Mir for the belt. LOL

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germ

agreed. i think he's got a TON of potential, but the fact that he's already going for a champ is all business. dana white knows itll bring big numbers.

as far as proving himself...brock definitely has NOT done that yet, in my opinion.

germ

that would be funny. i think nogiera's gonna beat mir, though.

DAMNMAN

My heads gonna explode with dumb shit here.........

O.k. Randy is still the champ and I've always liked him and I train at Xterme Couture so I hope he wins.

That said Lesnar is capable through sheer agression, power and stregth to upset the champ. 'cause that's just how it is in the real world sometimes.
Anything is posible in MMA on a given day.

How ever Lesner might have learned a lesson from Frank Mir about - where fools rush in etc...... and he may try to think which in my oppinion is not his strong suit.

If Lesner thinks too much he looses!!!!!!!
If he goes ape shit he may do something just stupid enough to win.................

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I feel this way as well...

I just highly doubt couture losing either way...

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germ

He did the exact same thing against Heath Herring in his last fight. I dont think Brock has learned any major lessons just yet.

I'm not counting Brock out...I just think people give him, and his size/strength a little too much credit.

Doctor Dre

MMA wise definitly... we're not talking about pure wrestling.

GSP outwrestled KOS because he could mix it up, he'd probably lose in a straight wrestling match.

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I'm taking randy on this one.
Only way Lesnar wins is if Randy can't weather the early storm

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boneprone

LOL.

Are you actually worried about Randy?

SHit......... People should be worried about Lesnar....

IMO he got into the MMA biz way too early... And this is too soon.

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When is this fight supposed to air?

It's a fucking shame how everything is going PPV these days, all the good hbo boxing matches and mma.. but I still pay for it like a sucker every time.

Manowar

styles makes fights, and this one should be good