What are some negatives of internet pornography?

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Alright, heh... My mom just called me, shes having a debate in her Public Speaking class for college, and the topic is internet pornography, and shes gotta debate the NEGATIVES of it...

I have no fucking clue why she asked someone who WORKS in it to give the negatives, but like a good son, I told her I'd help and see if I can find anything for her.

So I'm coming to you GFY, help me help my mom graduate college, lol.

Questions she asked me:

1. How the laws changed and what they are with internet pornography.
2. A few arguments AGAINST internet pornography.
3. Propriety pictures to use about internet pornography.
4. Statistics of internet pornography.

If anybody can help, I'd really appreciate it.
Thanks in advance.

[AaronM]

Not exactly the right forum for such questions.

[Iron Fist]

I can help with number 4...

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Not exactly the right forum for such questions.

How so? Theres negatives in every industry, not like I'm trying to come up with a case to take down the industry...

[DWB]

Porn is a segway drug. You start with the soft stuff, like Playboy, then before you know it you're sucking off ladyboys in Asia while cheap Thai whores are pissing down your chest, blowing smoke in your face and kicking you in the balls.

Tell her that.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Retox Josh

How so? Theres negatives in every industry, not like I'm trying to come up with a case to take down the industry...

Go post this shit on X3 or something,

If my mother asked me that shit I would hang up on her.

[tnaindex]

one negative that you might want to mention is the social stigma that adult models have to deal with?

hope its helpful!

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Go post this shit on X3 or something,

If my mother asked me that shit I would hang up on her.

I bet you and your mother don't get along huh?

Its a college debate, nothing more, if it pisses you off so much, maybe you should get out of the industry, because every industry has pros and cons, live with it, if you can't go work with barney or something you damn cry baby.

[cherrylula]

your Mom is in college? Is she hot?

[escorpio]

Declining ratios.
Chargebacks.
Tube sites.

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

your Mom is in college? Is she hot?

She decided now that my fathers passed, and her 3 children are grown up and on their own, that maybe it's time to go to school, I support her, there's no age limit on college.

Originally Posted by escorpio

Declining ratios.
Chargebacks.
Tube sites.

Heh, yes those are negatives, but the wrong negatives.

[Enemator]

One negative is that it attracts people like you.

[Press Release Pro]

hi mr. 200 clicks.

go work on getting traffic instead of your board rep.

[Tom_PM]

The negative is "obscenity" laws. "I'll know it when I see it".
Can you or your mom imagine if the government see's some cupcakes as criminally obscene, but they wont know it til they see it, so if you make it and they see it and they know it, you could go to prison?

I mean shit. You know the gray area of the law that this entire industry is forced to work under in the US right?

Another negative is tha decades long media misinformation (not saying it was intentional) that proclaims that if you are a woman who is into adult entertainment, that ultimately you are being used and manipulated by a man and you are corrupt. Which is funny because at the same time, I've been told how women are far beyond the days when they could be "kept" in such straits by any man.

Also it goes against common sense. Let me ask you a question. If 10 men go into a club and 1 woman gets $20 from each of 10 men. Are the men using the woman? huh, interesting.. Well remind your mom that society at large gets a generally very screwy view from politicians who do crazy things like refer to abortion as "murder in the womb" and other fun facts like that. (Brownback, (R) Kansas)

I dunno, you should have plenty to tell her when you think about negatives from the POV of someone who WANTS to be into adult entertainment.


BTW: "pornography" as a word is often not even allowed in courts (and I advise her to dispute the word) because it is a post-judgment word. That is to say it carries ONLY a negative connotation. Have her dive right into that meaty chunk. It's adult entertainment.

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Enemator

One negative is that it attracts people like you.

Awww, cry a fucking river.

Originally Posted by Press Release Pro

hi mr. 200 clicks.

go work on getting traffic instead of your board rep.

I do other shit in this industry other then traffic stuff, you dumb fucking fake nick.

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

The negative is "obscenity" laws. "I'll know it when I see it".
Can you or your mom imagine if the government see's some cupcakes as criminally obscene, but they wont know it til they see it, so if you make it and they see it and they know it, you could go to prison?

I mean shit. You know the gray area of the law that this entire industry is forced to work under in the US right?

Another negative is tha decades long media misinformation (not saying it was intentional) that proclaims that if you are a woman who is into adult entertainment, that ultimately you are being used and manipulated by a man and you are corrupt. Which is funny because at the same time, I've been told how women are far beyond the days when they could be "kept" in such straits by any man.

Also it goes against common sense. Let me ask you a question. If 10 men go into a club and 1 woman gets $20 from each of 10 men. Are the men using the woman? huh, interesting.. Well remind your mom that society at large gets a generally very screwy view from politicians who do crazy things like refer to abortion as "murder in the womb" and other fun facts like that. (Brownback, (R) Kansas)

I dunno, you should have plenty to tell her when you think about negatives from the POV of someone who WANTS to be into adult entertainment.


BTW: "pornography" as a word is often not even allowed in courts (and I advise her to dispute the word) because it is a post-judgment word. That is to say it carries ONLY a negative connotation. Have her dive right into that meaty chunk. It's adult entertainment.

Nice post, thanks!

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by Retox Josh

Heh, yes those are negatives, but the wrong negatives.

I thought she might want to give an insiders perspective.

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by escorpio

I thought she might want to give an insiders perspective.

Haha yeah, but I want her to pass this not fail. ;)

[Z]

Carpal tunnel?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by sharphead

I can help with number 4...

Oldie but a goodie... and true...

[d-null]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Porn is a segway drug. You start with the soft stuff, like Playboy, then before you know it you're sucking off ladyboys in Asia while cheap Thai whores are pissing down your chest, blowing smoke in your face and kicking you in the balls.

Tell her that.

I'm not sure I'm understanding where the negatives are in that post?

[AnniKN]

An argument against internet porn is that all levels of it are accessible to underage people who might not have the necessary real life experience to judge porn for what it is... fantasy.

Before the internet, the only way to get some porn if you were underage were legal age friends, finding your dad's dirty mags and/or stealing the goods from the corner shop...

Now, 12 year olds left alone with parents who do not concern on adult filters, have the ability to see hours of gang bang videos for free since they just have to SAY to a link that they're 18. Which leads to much more sexually jaded people that will very likely not be satisfied with their sex lives. I've known SEVERAL people who got into the internet about 10 years ago, many of them virgins, who haven't been able to get off to anything less than gaping, gagging gang bangs since they were 16, yet are unable to go out there and look for dates.

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by AnniKN

An argument against internet porn is that all levels of it are accessible to underage people who might not have the necessary real life experience to judge porn for what it is... fantasy.

Before the internet, the only way to get some porn if you were underage were legal age friends, finding your dad's dirty mags and/or stealing the goods from the corner shop...

Now, 12 year olds left alone with parents who do not concern on adult filters, have the ability to see hours of gang bang videos for free since they just have to SAY to a link that they're 18. Which leads to much more sexually jaded people that will very likely not be satisfied with their sex lives. I've known SEVERAL people who got into the internet about 10 years ago, many of them virgins, who haven't been able to get off to anything less than gaping, gagging gang bangs since they were 16, yet are unable to go out there and look for dates.

Nice information, thanks!

[AnniKN]

No prob! Here I found some stats from 2006:

http://www.internet-filter-review.to...tatistics.html

[d-null]

Originally Posted by AnniKN

....I've known SEVERAL people who got into the internet about 10 years ago, many of them virgins, who haven't been able to get off to anything less than gaping, gagging gang bangs since they were 16, yet are unable to go out there and look for dates.

cool, curious where you are meeting all these people?

[AnniKN]

Originally Posted by d-null

cool, curious where you are meeting all these people?

Various internet forums around different interests, from music, to film, to porn, to games, to photoshop

[DWB]

Originally Posted by d-null

I'm not sure I'm understanding where the negatives are in that post?

Ohhhhh... NEGATIVE. My bad, I thought he wanted positive stuff. Sorry.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by AnniKN

Various internet forums around different interests, from music, to film, to porn, to games, to photoshop

ok, fair enough, pretty reputable sources then.... problem is that all of those people on those forums also have 11 inch penises, so that kind of skews the demographics a bit

[SmokeyTheBear]

i have a negative..

Your mom might call up one day asking about the negatives of the porn industry

[SmokeyTheBear]

but seriously , i will give you a few common pointers she can build on

Porn creates body image issues for women who can't live up to the pornstars body image or performance

Porn creates body image issues for men who can't live up to the pornstars body image or performance

Porn addiction ?

Feeding drug addiction.

Breakup families

not that i agree with any of those but def essential debate points

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i have a negative..

Your mom might call up one day asking about the negatives of the porn industry

Haha, yeah I told her I was the wrong one to ask.

But I sent here the info in here, and told her to focus on the easily accessibility porn is too minors due to the internet.

[AnniKN]

Originally Posted by d-null

ok, fair enough, pretty reputable sources then.... problem is that all of those people on those forums also have 11 inch penises, so that kind of skews the demographics a bit

I never said EVERYONE had this problem, just that it was indeed a negative situation that spur out of internet porn availability ;)

[gornyhuy]

Teh negatives: Your sig

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Retox Josh

Alright, heh... My mom just called me, shes having a debate in her Public Speaking class for college, and the topic is internet pornography, and shes gotta debate the NEGATIVES of it...

I have no fucking clue why she asked someone who WORKS in it to give the negatives, but like a good son, I told her I'd help and see if I can find anything for her.

So I'm coming to you GFY, help me help my mom graduate college, lol.

Questions she asked me:

1. How the laws changed and what they are with internet pornography.
2. A few arguments AGAINST internet pornography.
3. Propriety pictures to use about internet pornography.
4. Statistics of internet pornography.

If anybody can help, I'd really appreciate it.
Thanks in advance.

Im sorry this has to be said!

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Im sorry this has to be said!

[d-null]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Im sorry this has to be said!

I know that is Napoleon Dynamite, but for some reason it sounded like a perfect Anal Cunt title to me when I glanced at it

[SilentKnight]

A few free-flowing thoughts...

One of the major problems of debating the negative aspects of porn is those who denounce it tend to exaggerate their points and blow things out of realistic proportion.

Generally (but not always)...those who debate the negative side are often people who aren't involved in the industry itself and have little-to-no insider knowledge or factual data to back up their assertions.

Not to say there aren't negative aspects, of course.

As someone who's been involved in the adult entertainment industry since the early 90s, one negative aspect (from a producer standpoint) is it can sometimes be detrimental to maintaining secondary mainstream employment outside the industry. In the past I've been let go from a job when management learned I was an adult photographer. At the time I was rather pissed off at their decision...but later came to realize it was actually a positive thing since it motivated me to devote more time to photography production.

Lemons into lemonade.

But I digress....

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

A few free-flowing thoughts...

One of the major problems of debating the negative aspects of porn is those who denounce it tend to exaggerate their points and blow things out of realistic proportion.

Generally (but not always)...those who debate the negative side are often people who aren't involved in the industry itself and have little-to-no insider knowledge or factual data to back up their assertions.

Not to say there aren't negative aspects, of course.

As someone who's been involved in the adult entertainment industry since the early 90s, one negative aspect (from a producer standpoint) is it can sometimes be detrimental to maintaining secondary mainstream employment outside the industry. In the past I've been let go from a job when management learned I was an adult photographer. At the time I was rather pissed off at their decision...but later came to realize it was actually a positive thing since it motivated me to devote more time to photography production.

Lemons into lemonade.

But I digress....

Hopefully my mom does a good job of being true and not over exaggerate, as shes all for the industry and has supported my decision to work in it since she first learned I was doing it in mid March 2000.

[BigBen]

Originally Posted by Retox Josh

Heh, yes those are negatives, but the wrong negatives.

"That's the beauty of argument, if you argue correctly, you're never wrong." - Thank You For Smoking

[psili]

This board's full of specific negatives about online porn... Just do a search and make shit up:

1. Tours / advertisements that completely mis-represent the experience after the credit card has been swiped.
2. X-sales
3. Being a sponsor and working to not get constantly fucked by sketchy affiliates.
4. Being an affiliate and not get fucked by sketchy sponsors.
5. Lack of accountability; anyone can open a porn site, do what they want and get out if it's too sketchy.
6. Lack of morals; "if it makes me money, fuck the rest of you".

Maybe I missed the point, though anyone reading threads on this board for even a week could make up some shit.

Edit: Some of the people in the online porn business: i.e. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=866650

[Malicious Biz]

Porn is a tool of the devil to steer people away from the path to God's love

[Trixie]

There are a lot of things wrong with SOME internet pornography, but most aren't problems intrinsic to porn or, more importantly, intrinsic to INTERNET porn except the volume, and wide/free distribution of it. The speed with which you can consume mass quantities of it (like ANYTHING at this point in the information age with technology allowing you to interact with it and absorb it quickly) is a style of delivery that can desensitize people, shorten their attention spans, makes it easier to dehumanize the people appearing in it, develop compulsions/addictions (like with any video game or repetitive, easy and pleasurable activity but with the added bonus of fucking up intimate relationships, causing sexual dysfunction because you've been conditioned to only get off this way), etc.. And of course the content in a lot of porn does that too as someone already mentioned.

A lot of porn "teaches" people total bullshit about sex and people's bodies (especially women's). But I don't think that's really porn's problem so much as a lack of information (sex education, media literacy, etc.) and to balance it out. There are boys on the internet getting really crazy and dangerous ideas, like that a woman's cervix is a toy to be penetrated.

It also sucks that sex workers (porn models, camgirls, etc.) in prosperous countries with a high standard of living and better human rights have to compete with sex workers in countries where they do more, for less, and under poor conditions that sometimes aren't even consensual and that there are more pimps (aka "webmasters") than the world has ever seen with those middlemen being paid more for sales for doing less work than girls in the content or on cam are. Instead of sex workers getting all of the money for doing sex work, the vast majority of the money goes to credit card processors, affiliates, producers, camsites, etc.

While there is MORE privacy for consumers of internet porn than hardcopy porn, there is LESS privacy for the sex workers appearing in it and no motivation for consumers to not redistribute it for free while there's tons of motivation for affiliates and producers to multiply it and give it away all over the place (even the models' personal, identifying information with 2257) so the chances of suffering negative consequences are greater (more of a problem with society and stupid laws than with porn, though) and, again, the product's (and the woman's work) value goes down because there's so much of it to be had for free.

[pigman]

The only negative part is that is very easy accessible for kids. =/

[GrouchyAdmin]

Chafing.

[wootpr0n]

The negatives affect porn producers and consumers.

Producers:
-Obscenity laws do not specifically define "obscenity". It is impossible to know whether or not your content will constitute obscenity in the future. And since this law applies as based on local community standards, what may be acceptable in one community may be unacceptable in another.

With internet porn, if you run your site from New York, and someone acceses your site in Texas, you can face criminal and civil liability in Texas even if you haven't set foot there. You can be exposed to lawsuits in states where you do not do business. And if a small redneck community finds your content to be offensive, you can be prosecuted for obscenity based on their standards.


Consumers
-Easy access to children. Website age verification systems are incapable of distinguishing between children and adults. Moreover, pornography is readily available for free via Tube sites and P2P.
-Instant access to nearly infinite quantities. You can't watch all of the porn in the world if you tried. There are millions of videos and they are all available. It is easy to kill a whole day watching porn. And you may spend a lot of money if you don't pirate the porn. And the wasted time/money leads to you neglecting your job, school, health, and/or family.
-Erosion of family values. It is immoral.
-Unrealistic portrayl of sex and depections of the human body. This makes you unsatisfied with your own sex life and attributes of your partner's body.

Other
-Human sex trafficking no longer requires travel, just a webcam.
-Easy to distribut child pornography which increases child abuse and exploitation

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Hey, thanks guys, but this thread is not needed anymore, alittle late :S its 10AM right now, shes probably in her class doing the debate right now.

[DamianJ]

Probably get lots more answers on - say - a catholic anti-porn forum.

[The Duck]

Porn desensitises the viewer over time. Porn downloads an version of sex into your brain that may not be very healthy, I have seen this many times in women.

Give both men and women hard ideals to follow.

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Probably get lots more answers on - say - a catholic anti-porn forum.

If I wanted my mother to argue bullshit reasons I would of went to a catholic anti-porn board, but what better place to get TRUE reasons by the people who do it?

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Retox Josh

I bet you and your mother don't get along huh?

Its a college debate, nothing more, if it pisses you off so much, maybe you should get out of the industry, because every industry has pros and cons, live with it, if you can't go work with barney or something you damn cry baby.

Actually, my mother and I get along great, thank you for your concern. That's not the point nor the topic of this discussion though.

This board is reviewed daily by people who would love to see porn go away. I'm sure they would like nothing more than to be able to quote people, in the porn industry, who wish to add fuel to the fire by posting such shit.

You are posting on an adult webmaster board that is filled mostly with surfers and complete fucking retards, such as yourself, and now you are asking those people to post negative shit. It's kind of like when there is a tornado and the only people you see getting interviewed or quoted on the news are the inbred retards. Have you seen one high-end program owner respond to this thread? Don't you think that their experiences would be the most subjective and encompass more than the average GFY member? Yet, they are not posting in this thread. Why is that? Because this is a lame fucking topic for a board like this.

Again, take your shit to X3.

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

AaronM, please kindly take your bullshit somewhere else, I don't care what you think, or what you say.