SilentKnight

After looking at all our stats and conversion ratios - we've come to the conclusion that the majority of our CCBill affiliates aren't performing as good as they have been in past years.

So perhaps its time to 'clean house' a little and drop those that are lagging.

Anyone else experiencing similiar poor performance from their CCBill accounts lately? Or any unexplainable discrepancies in traffic vs. conversion ratios?

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Machete_

So you blame your affiliates that YOUR site cant convert the traffic they send you?
Not flaming, just a honest question

KillerK

two words.... COOKIE STUFFING!!

PantieZ

I´ll take them all

sltr

good thing you posted this on the weekend, else it would get ugly in heres

SilentKnight

No, the traffic we send them isn't converting as well as most of our other affiliates.

I'm not assessing blame here...merely stating fact and asking if others are experiencing similiar results lately.

sortie

Maybe I didn't read this right, but if I did then purging affilates is the dumbest
move in the world.

3 years from now one of your "shit affilates" could start sending mad sign ups.
(after a layoff from regular job and now full time pimp)

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Machete_

I dont understand what it is you are saying. Are you a program or a affiliate?

I thought you were a program, but now you say "the traffic we send them" ?

SilentKnight

We run our own affiliate program - but also have affiliate accounts with several other programs.

Machete_

I think you are way off blaming the affiliates that the traffic don't convert like it used to. Nobody have the same stats as they did a few years ago - or at least very few, with some very unique content.

Ratio is down but traffic is growing, and each day a new surfer gets Internet access. Cutting affiliates that have invested time in promoting your site is downright rude.

I sometime don't send traffic to a affiliate account for years. Some of them I have only tested a few months but still have the account in case I can use it with my traffic one day. I they would close down my account for not sending any sales, I would not recommend anyone to ever use that program

If you want to go back to the old days where programs demanded a ratio of their affiliates, you better prepare yourself for a massive affiliate walkout

As long as the affiliate dont give away all your content for free, or run shady sites, I would NEVER reccomend a program to cut the affiliate. Its traffic. Without it you are broke.

That is my - other might see it a different way

CDSmith

Then either you meant you are thinking of dropping some of your own affiliates from your own program (which would be dumb, as aformentioned), which is what I thought you meant on first read.

Or you are thinking of dropping a few of the programs you are an affiliate of, because those programs aren't doing well with your traffic... in which case nevermind talking about it, just do it.

However I don't think it wise to lump all programs using CCBill into one "they all suck" category, they may all use CCBill but they are after all different programs. Some of those I send traffic to don't do as well as others but the only one's I've ever purged are individual programs that I know just don't do well with my traffic. Only a few have been CCBill users.

You're finding they ALL suck? I find that hard to believe.

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stickyfingerz

Ok to clear it (from what I interpreted at least) They are thinking of stopping sending traffic to ccbill based affiliate programs, not dropping affiliates from their own program.

candyflip

He meant to word it as sponsors...CCBill Sponsors.

Cut the guy some slack. He probably had a long day writing parking tickets. It's been gorgeous weather in this part of the world, and I'm sure the Falls have been packed.

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..that might be a reason

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affiliates promote affiliate programs

FlexxAeon

quoted for clarity

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this would be VERY easy to point out, if there was a massive amount of cookie stuffing going on there would be a massive jump in clicks driving the ratios down. if clicks remained at an explainable constant while ratios dropped, i would have to say this isn't the issue. even if it was, it wouldn't be hard to point out the affiliates doing it...

Super Negro

ccbill has always had the worst system, half the shit doesn't get tracked and god forbid anyone with low traffic try and push a ccbill only program, you will be lucky to make 1 sale every 6 months

camperjohn64

I think he means the *sponsors* that he is sending traffic to. But maybe I'm wrong.

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EscortBiz

I use every biller out there between sites I own and promote everything is the same in these days yes a drop but nothing to do with ccbill, ccbill only makes money is a card gets processed they have no reason not to want to very best system to get as many signups approved as possible

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Confusing, this thread, yes, mrrmmmm.

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fuzebox

Nothing drives me crazy more than people who incorrectly refer to affiliate programs as "affiliates", especially in this case where a program owner is talking about "dropping his affiliates".

People, if you send traffic to a program, you are the affiliate, they are the affiliate program.

Jarmusch

BSleazy

Dumbest thread I've read in a long time.

Clear up what you're talking about already. Jesus.

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HorseShit

lame thread I have to agree

snaker

How are your Epoch, Segway, etc etc sites doing compared to your CCbill only sites with your traffic? Do you see a marked difference here between billers? I noticed with my traffic ccbill sites have dipped, around april last year, but epoch and other billers has been consistantly steady. interesting

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This thread is SHIT

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agreed, you title the thread as if CCBill is doing something wrong, sheesh.........

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NaughtyRob

No, its not CCBill. It depends on the sites. Some of my ccbill affiliate that I push do great, others don't. Same with any other programs.

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Crazy and confusing.

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AnniKN

A couple of times in the past few weeks, I have tried links with ccbill affiliate codes and not gotten anywhere, as in, page just won+t load so...

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After Shock Media

Funniest part is when people thought you meant dropping ccbill affiliates in your program, poster ends up being idiot who will go broke. When it became dropping ccbill from the programs he promotes it became way more acceptable.

Kill affiliates - outrage and you go broke.
Kill largest 3rd party biller of the 2-3 that exist - OK sure I can see that.

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Robbie

It's pretty simple. I've always saw CC Bill sales as the least. That's because when they do their billing they are real strict with scrubbing the card. If there's one little typo in the guys info...say his billing address is 1414 Gardo Way and he typed 14,14 Gardo Way by mistake, then that transaction won't go through with CC Bill.

I always stick 'em in the back of the chain for processing in my cascade. But the flip side of their system is you should theoretically get less chargebacks...but unfortuntately I've found that they hand back money real fast to people. Including on my VOD sales (which means that customers download my shit, they get their product and then go to CC Bill and get their money back...complete ripoff on me by the surfer)

Anyway, that's why CC Bill only programs don't make as many sales (at least since I started online in 1998) as other programs with cascading billing. And now that so many are suffering from torrents, tubes, and the economy....it's a lot worse.

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After Shock Media

As far as handing money out I am not so sure. I know only with Epoch have I had the issue of repeated chargebacks from the same damn person. It is one thing to have someone do a set of 3-4 months of charges as a chargeback, it is entirely a new issue if they are allowed to do it more than once let alone a few times with the same damn info.

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BVF

Huh?....CCbill is putting through all kinds of garbage that ends up a chargeback...I see chargebacks and the info says "No match address or postal code"....

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SilentKnight

My apologies - was in the studio all afternoon and didn't realize this thread had spun the way it did.

To clarify - I'm referring to dropping a few programs we're affiliates of under CCBill. My earlier terminology wasn't concise.

After Shock Media

I got what you meant. I still find the responses funny though.

PS. I have not seen the number of declines via ccbill go up (via email notices). So I am not thinking they are scrubbing more.

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one thing thats tricky when comparing ratios are you looking at apples to aples or aples to oranges. ccbill stats give you a number of all clicks. other sponsors filter so you see lower ratios.

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Hey SilentKnight I will give ya my professional advice on the matter.

Only reason I would see it as being necessary is only if you provide support to CCBILL affilaites in ad design, Ad Campaign assistance and so forth. If you spend alot of time with CCBILL affiliates that are not productive you just may well be spending money on resources you may not need.

However CCBILL is a processor and I would say to anyone the more way you can transact the better off you will be today and into the future.

The CCBILL affiliates are not productive leave em be. You can remove inactive accounts perhaps or even find those inactive and send them an email remind them of your program. Mayber some signed up forgot got involved with another sponsor and will change over or promote you with just a simple reminder. Basically I do not see the reasoning in purging the CCBILL affiliates unless of course they are costing you more than they make.

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SilentKnight

Well, between Jan 1st and current - we've sent 12,081 hits and 5 signups to various ccbill sites. Works out to 1:2415 ratio.

We're comparing that to an average of 8-10 signups per month (not including recurring, of course) with most other affiliate sponsors with a comparable hit amount.

So at this point, we're somewhat at a loss to explain the vast differences between the stats.

After Shock Media

Alien that is not what he meant.

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SilentKnight

(nodding)

Makes sense - perhaps we'll shuffle the banners somewhat...or possibly custom design a few a see if that shakes things up a little. But its primarily the ratios that have me a bit baffled at the moment, too.

FreeHugeMovies

Maybe bc. they don't cascade?