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HELMY · 11-13-2008, 12:28 PM

http://www.sexgrid.com

And of course, constant one-upping happens in every industry.

So, what's next? HD tube sites?

»Rob Content« · 11-13-2008, 12:29 PM

Jon Clark will claim to have the first ever Hd Tube site.

seeric · 11-13-2008, 12:30 PM

technologically i don't see anything amazing with this. just layout and displaying the vids on one page.

i can do that

www.dirtyhut.com

edit: unless you mean the vids being high res.

they aren't HD thats for sure.

you can't do hd unless you have the card for it, the right source, and the right monitor. this doesn't even get close to hd picture.

»Rob Content« · 11-13-2008, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HELMY

http://www.sexgrid.com

And of course, constant one-upping happens in every industry.

So, what's next? HD tube sites?

Oh and what happens is simple, programs get nervous and add another xsale that is not really explained.

webmasterchecks · 11-13-2008, 12:33 PM

searchable, archived content, videos pulled and categorized from other tube sites, lots of stuff you can do to make it better

maybe "get paid for viewing tube videos" is next ;)

seeric · 11-13-2008, 12:35 PM

Is it just me, or does anyone else notice that all of the videos are from naughty america, but no where on the page is a banner or link to naughty america to make any sales from this content? all i see is dating and cams links. big surprise.

edit: just an observation, i'm done wasting my time with this sort of thing.

Sands · 11-13-2008, 12:35 PM

That's a pretty crappy site.

Single video pages allow you another chance to deliver ads and it also creates a larger footprint in SE's. They also allow for "related videos" and "random videos" sections that would further entice the viewer.

Having so much flash loading on the page at once makes the page very bloated. If the page lags when you scroll, then that's a good indicator that there's a bit too much on there.

Yeah, I don't see any links or banners that link to the content owner, and instead the site depends on upsells to dating and webcams. No scene titles or descriptions which could lend to SEO goals.

Yeah, it's a pretty crappy site.

Fresh · 11-13-2008, 12:41 PM

No technological wonder but its very innovative. I think users will like this layout and there is potential for the site being the first to do it. In a cut throat business, every one-up counts

Very cool.

seeric · 11-13-2008, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sands

That's a pretty crappy site.

Single video pages allow you another chance to deliver ads and it also creates a larger footprint in SE's. They also allow for "related videos" and "random videos" sections that would further entice the viewer.

Having so much flash loading on the page at once makes the page very bloated. If the page lags when you scroll, then that's a good indicator that there's a bit too much on there.

Yeah, I don't see any links or banners that link to the content owner, and instead the site depends on upsells to dating and webcams. No scene titles or descriptions which could lend to SEO goals.

Yeah, it's a pretty crappy site.

^^^^^^also what he said.

on a side note:

im getting pretty peeved about people saying they have HD content over the web.

half of them who claim it have no idea what it is or takes to view HD content over the web. many are not delivering HD, but they are sure as hell using it to market their shit.

HELMY · 11-13-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Fresh

No technological wonder but its very innovative. I think users will like this layout and there is potential for the site being the first to do it. In a cut throat business, every one-up counts

Very cool.

Exactly.

CarlosTheGaucho · 11-13-2008, 12:44 PM

The traffic pool will never be the same again.

Definition of a porn freesite has changed.

Fresh · 11-13-2008, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sands

That's a pretty crappy site.

Single video pages allow you another chance to deliver ads and it also creates a larger footprint in SE's. They also allow for "related videos" and "random videos" sections that would further entice the viewer.

Having so much flash loading on the page at once makes the page very bloated. If the page lags when you scroll, then that's a good indicator that there's a bit too much on there.

Yeah, I don't see any links or banners that link to the content owner, and instead the site depends on upsells to dating and webcams. No scene titles or descriptions which could lend to SEO goals.

Yeah, it's a pretty crappy site.

being the first one to do it, yea, theres a ton of shit thats not perfected that you can point out. In time, it can come into place.

If i was to take this approach, I would let them play X amount of videos and dive them into the standard tube layout with a very similar look and feel. Hey, if all it does is hook a surfer to stay on YOUR tube site, its effective.

Agent 488 · 11-13-2008, 12:50 PM

too slow. got bored. left.

Sands · 11-13-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fresh

being the first one to do it, yea, theres a ton of shit thats not perfected that you can point out. In time, it can come into place.

If i was to take this approach, I would let them play X amount of videos and dive them into the standard tube layout with a very similar look and feel. Hey, if all it does is hook a surfer to stay on YOUR tube site, its effective.

What is there to perfect? The only thing they've perfected is removing the basic sales, SEO, and some usability elements from the standard tube site. Loading more than one video on the same page isn't very accessible if it's bloated to the point where it'll turn surfers away.

It's a different concept, but I wouldn't consider it a one-up in usability or marketing.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 11-13-2008, 12:53 PM

I posted this idea on GFY not to long ago. I am sure this guy that made the page read my post. Its obvious to me this is along the lines of a way MGP can save them selves.

Submit a page like this with 6 flash clips on it a few banners over to MGP's that will take them and this idea will take off well. Tubesites wont have a chance on that.

Tubesites are cool, but it would be better to have a page with multiple play spots.

At tube sites no one gives a shit about a search engine or niche category. That was proven with TGP and MGP. You just make a link that reads what the nich is and link it to a page with about 6 flash clips on it. Bang. DOne EZ MODE>

I have no idea why Tube sites have come in so strong they are silly to me, other than tube sites survived by stealing content and long clips so that prolly has alot to do with it thier success.

Its certainly not the tube script itself, most tube scripts are pure shit I not seen one I like yet.

Adam X · 11-13-2008, 12:56 PM

thats a killer one-up.. from any video clicked to full screen is my fave..

Martin · 11-13-2008, 01:04 PM

Tube8 smokes that shit hole.

seeric · 11-13-2008, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fresh

being the first one to do it, yea, theres a ton of shit thats not perfected that you can point out. In time, it can come into place.

If i was to take this approach, I would let them play X amount of videos and dive them into the standard tube layout with a very similar look and feel. Hey, if all it does is hook a surfer to stay on YOUR tube site, its effective.

no, the goal is to get them to pull out their wallet in the least amount of clicks possible. unless you are running a traffic brokership, where all you do is send your leecher traffic to other people for $, your main goal is to get that card out of their pocket. why would you want to let them watch X number of videos and then "dump" them to a tube site? imho thats a terrible waste of even leecher traffic. at least pull the shady shit that some tubes do and send them to a "get premium status now for 5 bucks" or some shit. those premium access levels to tubes are just bullshit upsell speak where they say you get faster connections, yadda yadda, its a scam upsell at best. at least get some money out of them. where is the money in letting them watch X amount of videos and then sending them to more free videos, when we all know the average person searches for what he wants, beats off, and is gone in less than 5-7 minutes? tubes have sacrificed the ultimate goal of getting traffic.

(to tube owners)
yah, they managed to get it, now what you gonna do with it fuckers? you trained people to not buy porn. good job. good luck with saturated fake dating ads and dreams of getting your pee pee wet.

xenigo · 11-13-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

^^^^^^also what he said.

on a side note:

im getting pretty peeved about people saying they have HD content over the web.

half of them who claim it have no idea what it is or takes to view HD content over the web. many are not delivering HD, but they are sure as hell using it to market their shit.

So let's say I'm recording with a camera that natively records 1920x1080 resolution. And I'm converting it to 1280x720 resolution. Do you not think that's HD?

I'm pretty sure if I'm following HD spec, it's HD.

And yes, it's being delivered "over the web". But tell me, what do you think it takes? I don't think the feat is very miraculous, frankly.

Agent 488 · 11-13-2008, 01:22 PM

there are no descrips. - no way to find what i like - this site a few notches down from the tubes.

seeric · 11-13-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by xenigo

So let's say I'm recording with a camera that natively records 1920x1080 resolution. And I'm converting it to 1280x720 resolution. Do you not think that's HD?

I'm pretty sure if I'm following HD spec, it's HD.

And yes, it's being delivered "over the web". But tell me, what do you think it takes? I don't think the feat is very miraculous, frankly.

good luck with that. nice try though.

Fresh · 11-13-2008, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

no, the goal is to get them to pull out their wallet in the least amount of clicks possible. unless you are running a traffic brokership, where all you do is send your leecher traffic to other people for $, your main goal is to get that card out of their pocket. why would you want to let them watch X number of videos and then "dump" them to a tube site? imho thats a terrible waste of even leecher traffic. at least pull the shady shit that some tubes do and send them to a "get premium status now for 5 bucks" or some shit. those premium access levels to tubes are just bullshit upsell speak where they say you get faster connections, yadda yadda, its a scam upsell at best. at least get some money out of them. where is the money in letting them watch X amount of videos and then sending them to more free videos, when we all know the average person searches for what he wants, beats off, and is gone in less than 5-7 minutes? tubes have sacrificed the ultimate goal of getting traffic.

(to tube owners)
yah, they managed to get it, now what you gonna do with it fuckers? you trained people to not buy porn. good job. good luck with saturated fake dating ads and dreams of getting your pee pee wet.

Airek, this is one of the biggest problems with the business at this moment. Webmasters still think they control the surfer. You dont! I agree, you wanna get a sale with the least amount of clicks as possible, makes sense. But surfers are not the same anymore, way savvier... The business is not teh same anymore cus of all the free content out there. If you cant deliver the goods to a surfer, theres a ton of other sites that will. you need to hook em.

So, i understand the mindstate of get the dollar out as soon as possible but getting a surfer to pick your site as the their go to place for free porn, a bookmark, some loyalty even if its short lived, is very important.

With SexGrid, the point is if a surfer hits it, its something new. they will hang out and give it a shot. If you deliver good quality content and more importantly and great experience within those few moments, you can get them over to your tube site and get the sale out of em at the right sponsor. Where as a surfer hitting a site thats just like the rest of em and dosnt even stick around or give it a decent chance.

As for Premium memberships, calling it "shady shit" or a "scam upsell" is bullshit. I sell premium memberships to my free users for 9.83.

If they are a free member, they cant watch over 15 vids. With Premium they can watch as many as they want.

If its a free member, he can only watch LOW res vids in 420x340. Whereas Premium can watch bigger and full screen vids in HIGH res.

Gutter Premium users get every video on Gutter.com in 3gp and mp4 formats, high and low. Free users dont get mobile.

Premium members get way over 200+ feeds on Gutter Tv and on Hustler Vivid TV.

And yea, we do give Premium users streaming priority

Shady? Scam? I dont think so.

lazycash · 11-13-2008, 01:33 PM

Nothing new with this, have seen at least 50 of these in the last six months. Its just another form of a tube site, don't consider it one upping.

seeric · 11-13-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fresh

Airek, this is one of the biggest problems with the business at this moment. Webmasters still think they control the surfer. You dont! I agree, you wanna get a sale with the least amount of clicks as possible, makes sense. But surfers are not the same anymore, way savvier... The business is not teh same anymore cus of all the free content out there. If you cant deliver the goods to a surfer, theres a ton of other sites that will. you need to hook em.

So, i understand the mindstate of get the dollar out as soon as possible but getting a surfer to pick your site as the their go to place for free porn, a bookmark, some loyalty even if its short lived, is very important.

With SexGrid, the point is if a surfer hits it, its something new. they will hang out and give it a shot. If you deliver good quality content and more importantly and great experience within those few moments, you can get them over to your tube site and get the sale out of em at the right sponsor. Where as a surfer hitting a site thats just like the rest of em and dosnt even stick around or give it a decent chance.

As for Premium memberships, calling it "shady shit" or a "scam upsell" is bullshit. I sell premium memberships to my free users for 9.83.

If they are a free member, they cant watch over 15 vids. With Premium they can watch as many as they want.

If its a free member, he can only watch LOW res vids in 420x340. Whereas Premium can watch bigger and full screen vids in HIGH res.

Gutter Premium users get every video on Gutter.com in 3gp and mp4 formats, high and low. Free users dont get mobile.

Premium members get way over 200+ feeds on Gutter Tv and on Hustler Vivid TV.

And yea, we do give Premium users streaming priority

Shady? Scam? I dont think so.

I'm not talking about your site. Take a chill pill. You're far too defensive. I've been doing this many many years longer than you have and I understand the mentality of the surfer just fine. Don't take things so personal.

andy83 · 11-13-2008, 01:40 PM

kinda slow... *closes site*

xenigo · 11-13-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

good luck with that. nice try though.

What exactly do you consider HD, Airek?

SomeCreep · 11-13-2008, 01:51 PM

Eh, as far as tubes go, i give that site a 2 out of 10.

Fresh · 11-13-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

I'm not talking about your site. Take a chill pill. You're far too defensive. I've been doing this many many years longer than you have and I understand the mentality of the surfer just fine. Don't take things so personal.

Not taking it personal bro, but when you mention tube sites in general, then say they sell premium memberships (which fits my bill) then you say they are shady or scam upsells... kinda puts people like me who run a legit operation in front of the bullet. I know its not a personal attack, but...

A lot of people here look up to you and take a lot of what you say with very high regard. That comes from your experience in the business and your reputation which is inarguable. When you say something which is not a personal attack but it fits my exact bill, some of those people may correlate and put me in the same category. Not trying to come off as snappy bro, just wanna make sure I dont get rolled up with shady shit

seeric · 11-13-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Fresh

Not taking it personal bro, but when you mention tube sites in general, then say they sell premium memberships (which fits my bill) then you say they are shady or scam upsells... kinda puts people like me who run a legit operation in front of the bullet. I know its not a personal attack, but...

A lot of people here look up to you and take a lot of what you say with very high regard. That comes from your experience in the business and your reputation which is inarguable. When you say something which is not a personal attack but it fits my exact bill, some of those people may correlate and put me in the same category. Not trying to come off as snappy bro, just wanna make sure I dont get rolled up with shady shit

next time i will say illegal tube. you know that i like your model and who talked to me extensively about it in the very early stages of gutter. both of them actually. my apologies for being harsh.

fyi, icq me, i have something to point out to you on tubeclicks.

airek

The Adult Broker · 11-13-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

no, the goal is to get them to pull out their wallet in the least amount of clicks possible. unless you are running a traffic brokership, where all you do is send your leecher traffic to other people for $, your main goal is to get that card out of their pocket. why would you want to let them watch X number of videos and then "dump" them to a tube site? imho thats a terrible waste of even leecher traffic. at least pull the shady shit that some tubes do and send them to a "get premium status now for 5 bucks" or some shit. those premium access levels to tubes are just bullshit upsell speak where they say you get faster connections, yadda yadda, its a scam upsell at best. at least get some money out of them. where is the money in letting them watch X amount of videos and then sending them to more free videos, when we all know the average person searches for what he wants, beats off, and is gone in less than 5-7 minutes? tubes have sacrificed the ultimate goal of getting traffic.

(to tube owners)
yah, they managed to get it, now what you gonna do with it fuckers? you trained people to not buy porn. good job. good luck with saturated fake dating ads and dreams of getting your pee pee wet.

you always impress me

KRosh · 11-13-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by xenigo

So let's say I'm recording with a camera that natively records 1920x1080 resolution. And I'm converting it to 1280x720 resolution. Do you not think that's HD?

I'm pretty sure if I'm following HD spec, it's HD.

And yes, it's being delivered "over the web". But tell me, what do you think it takes? I don't think the feat is very miraculous, frankly.

The challenge is how to get high-definition TV signals into a computer, without hooking it directly to a cable line.
HDTV is a HUGE bandwidth hog. Transmitting HDTV signals in real time, using usual MPEG-2 compression standard, means sending data at 18 to 20 megabits per second. The typical user connection, delivers data at only 1.5 to 3 Mbps, of course there are faster out there but we are talking typical.

Even with new compression format, MPEG-4, it's not just a compression issue, it's an issue of transporting the signal over the Internet. In order to get around this issue some companies have adopted proprietary players (an example is VUDU) that use buffering and error correction to compensate for the lower speeds.

I think this is what A1r3k is referring to when he says most people do not know what it takes to view your content in HD

Fresh · 11-13-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

next time i will say illegal tube. you know that i like your model and who talked to me extensively about it in the very early stages of gutter. both of them actually. my apologies for being harsh.

fyi, icq me, i have something to point out to you on tubeclicks.

airek

Thanks Airek

seeric · 11-13-2008, 02:01 PM

For the record:

Fresh runs what I think is probably one the best tube models in the industry. It's very efficient, it definitely monetizes, and it is sticky. My comments should have been more clear. As I am still in an unsettled state about illegal tubes my comments were directed at them.

Fresh is on the right side of the fence.

Sands · 11-13-2008, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

For the record:

Fresh runs what I think is probably one the best tube models in the industry. It's very efficient, it definitely monetizes, and it is sticky. My comments should have been more clear. As I am still in an unsettled state about illegal tubes my comments were directed at them.

Fresh is on the right side of the fence.

Amen brotherman. Tube Clicks is cooler than the other side of a pimp's pillow.

seeric · 11-13-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sands

Amen brotherman. Tube Clicks is cooler than the other side of a pimp's pillow.

yup. sorry for the confusion everybodies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fresh · 11-13-2008, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

For the record:

Fresh runs what I think is probably one the best tube models in the industry. It's very efficient, it definitely monetizes, and it is sticky. My comments should have been more clear. As I am still in an unsettled state about illegal tubes my comments were directed at them.

Fresh is on the right side of the fence.

You the man dude, thank you for totally clearing that up. I really appreciate it

on icq with airek, this dudes a mobile goldmine

Robbie · 11-13-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KRosh

The challenge is how to get high-definition TV signals into a computer, without hooking it directly to a cable line.
HDTV is a HUGE bandwidth hog. Transmitting HDTV signals in real time, using usual MPEG-2 compression standard, means sending data at 18 to 20 megabits per second. The typical user connection, delivers data at only 1.5 to 3 Mbps, of course there are faster out there but we are talking typical.

Even with new compression format, MPEG-4, it's not just a compression issue, it's an issue of transporting the signal over the Internet. In order to get around this issue some companies have adopted proprietary players (an example is VUDU) that use buffering and error correction to compensate for the lower speeds.

I think this is what A1r3k is referring to when he says most people do not know what it takes to view your content in HD

It's more of an issue than just bandwidth speed. As I found out when I went to encrypted h264 .mp4's on claudia-marie.com s members area. Streaming on the web puts the load of processing on the USER.

I can stream as many full length vids as I want on her members area at the same time, doesn't even make the cpu of the server budge.

BUT, if you encode them at a high bit rate...then the USER can not watch them without it constantly stopping and starting and "stuttering" etc.

I originally encoded at a variable bit rate of 2-6 megs per second. The vids looked awesome. Not even a tiny bit of pixielation even when there was a lot of fast movement and big titties flying around.

And I had no problem watching them on my computer. But, what I didn't take into account is the fact that most surfers out there have their computers loaded down with resource hogging programs that are always running in the background.

90% of my user base were writing me and bitching that they couldn't get the vids to play correctly. So I had to re-encode everything down to 1200 kilobits per second. Had to do some tweaking to get it to look good. But now I'm happy and so are my customers.

Bottom line is...as of now, there is NO way to stream "real" hd. And it's not the bandwidth speed that is the issue. It's the cpu on the users end being overwhelmed. The higher the bit rate, the more cpu is used on the user end.

Having said that...tube sites are't using encrypted streaming or h264 .mp4's anyway. They are simply setting up light http on their server and streaming .flv's. So they aren't gonna be doing anything special anytime soon until they spend some money. And I don't see that happening either.

xenigo · 11-13-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

It's more of an issue than just bandwidth speed. As I found out when I went to encrypted h264 .mp4's on claudia-marie.com s members area. Streaming on the web puts the load of processing on the USER.

I can stream as many full length vids as I want on her members area at the same time, doesn't even make the cpu of the server budge.

BUT, if you encode them at a high bit rate...then the USER can not watch them without it constantly stopping and starting and "stuttering" etc.

I originally encoded at a variable bit rate of 2-6 megs per second. The vids looked awesome. Not even a tiny bit of pixielation even when there was a lot of fast movement and big titties flying around.

And I had no problem watching them on my computer. But, what I didn't take into account is the fact that most surfers out there have their computers loaded down with resource hogging programs that are always running in the background.

90% of my user base were writing me and bitching that they couldn't get the vids to play correctly. So I had to re-encode everything down to 1200 kilobits per second. Had to do some tweaking to get it to look good. But now I'm happy and so are my customers.

Bottom line is...as of now, there is NO way to stream "real" hd. And it's not the bandwidth speed that is the issue. It's the cpu on the users end being overwhelmed. The higher the bit rate, the more cpu is used on the user end.

Having said that...tube sites are't using encrypted streaming or h264 .mp4's anyway. They are simply setting up light http on their server and streaming .flv's. So they aren't gonna be doing anything special anytime soon until they spend some money. And I don't see that happening either.

Quality post. Quality content. Good read.

KRosh · 11-13-2008, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

It's more of an issue than just bandwidth speed. As I found out when I went to encrypted h264 .mp4's on claudia-marie.com s members area. Streaming on the web puts the load of processing on the USER.

I can stream as many full length vids as I want on her members area at the same time, doesn't even make the cpu of the server budge.

BUT, if you encode them at a high bit rate...then the USER can not watch them without it constantly stopping and starting and "stuttering" etc.

I originally encoded at a variable bit rate of 2-6 megs per second. The vids looked awesome. Not even a tiny bit of pixielation even when there was a lot of fast movement and big titties flying around.

And I had no problem watching them on my computer. But, what I didn't take into account is the fact that most surfers out there have their computers loaded down with resource hogging programs that are always running in the background.

90% of my user base were writing me and bitching that they couldn't get the vids to play correctly. So I had to re-encode everything down to 1200 kilobits per second. Had to do some tweaking to get it to look good. But now I'm happy and so are my customers.

Bottom line is...as of now, there is NO way to stream "real" hd. And it's not the bandwidth speed that is the issue. It's the cpu on the users end being overwhelmed. The higher the bit rate, the more cpu is used on the user end.

Having said that...tube sites are't using encrypted streaming or h264 .mp4's anyway. They are simply setting up light http on their server and streaming .flv's. So they aren't gonna be doing anything special anytime soon until they spend some money. And I don't see that happening either.

Robbie great post but I do have to disagree with one point. There IS a way to stream HD and there is a way to view it on your computer but it requires an external device such as the VUDU set top box full HD 1080p- although you saw really nice non pixelated video it was not true HD -

sorry now back to the topic at hand

woj · 11-13-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by webmasterchecks

maybe "get paid for viewing tube videos" is next ;)

With the way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised

Robbie · 11-13-2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KRosh

Robbie great post but I do have to disagree with one point. There IS a way to stream HD and there is a way to view it on your computer but it requires an external device such as the VUDU set top box full HD 1080p- although you saw really nice non pixelated video it was not true HD -

sorry now back to the topic at hand

That's pretty cool! But not something that will affect our business very much. Having said that...I'd like to get one.

But does anybody stream real HD?

Fletch XXX · 11-13-2008, 06:37 PM

porn just doesnt turn me on anymore lol

ive been desensitized for over 10 years working with this stuff, chicks with clothes turn me on more than those vids lol

stickyfingerz · 11-13-2008, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

Is it just me, or does anyone else notice that all of the videos are from naughty america, but no where on the page is a banner or link to naughty america to make any sales from this content? all i see is dating and cams links. big surprise.

edit: just an observation, i'm done wasting my time with this sort of thing.

Link to the site for the content appears after the video ends with a Watch full vid now.

Looks slick but its just a mgp using a cdn network, and a nice layout. I see nothing wrong with it. Clips are all smaller size that I saw.

slavdogg · 11-13-2008, 06:48 PM

HD tube sites would be kinda cool

stickyfingerz · 11-13-2008, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xenigo

So let's say I'm recording with a camera that natively records 1920x1080 resolution. And I'm converting it to 1280x720 resolution. Do you not think that's HD?

I'm pretty sure if I'm following HD spec, it's HD.

And yes, it's being delivered "over the web". But tell me, what do you think it takes? I don't think the feat is very miraculous, frankly.

Yup I am streaming 720p with no problem, but yes the end user can't have a crappy computer or connection. But seriously if you want to watch HD tv at home in your living room do you plop down a 25" SD tube style TV? Nope you have to plunk down some coin to enjoy that quality.

Computers are the same way. If you don't have the equipment you won't get the quality. When marketing an HD site you are marketing to people that can handle HD. Now as a secondary for our HD sites we stream 480p too which is also technically HD. Its a lot easier to view and less cpu cycles being at 854 x 480. Which isn't a ton larger than SD DVD quality.

But yes you CAN stream 720p at 1280x720.

mynameisjim · 11-13-2008, 07:04 PM

That layout is crap. Totally out of touch with the direction a tube site should be going. Clean and fresh is what you want with a tube site, not that trainwreck.

stickyfingerz · 11-13-2008, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

That layout is crap. Totally out of touch with the direction a tube site should be going. Clean and fresh is what you want with a tube site, not that trainwreck.

Thats isn't a tube site. Its an streaming mgp.

stickyfingerz · 11-13-2008, 07:12 PM

Btw its pretty slick that the ads that come up after the movie finish are geoip right in the space of the player.

collegeboobies · 11-13-2008, 07:14 PM

sounds awesome

Mutt · 11-13-2008, 07:17 PM

most people's computers as Robbie says can't even play a real HD video file - and with the economy the way it is people aren't going to be buying new computers for awhile.

there isn't even any demand for HD porn - porn fans could care less if something is shot in HD or SD - they can't tell the difference. Shoot in 16:9, encode at 2mbps and tell them it's HD - no .01% will have a clue that isn't 'HD'.

11-13-2008, 12:28 PM	#1
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11-13-2008, 12:29 PM	#2
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11-13-2008, 12:30 PM	#3
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	technologically i don't see anything amazing with this. just layout and displaying the vids on one page. i can do that www.dirtyhut.com edit: unless you mean the vids being high res. they aren't HD thats for sure. you can't do hd unless you have the card for it, the right source, and the right monitor. this doesn't even get close to hd picture. Last edited by seeric; 11-13-2008 at 12:32 PM..

11-13-2008, 12:33 PM	#5
webmasterchecks Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,685	searchable, archived content, videos pulled and categorized from other tube sites, lots of stuff you can do to make it better maybe "get paid for viewing tube videos" is next ;) __________________ Webmasterchecks Affiliate Payments - fully compatible with nats/mpa3

11-13-2008, 12:35 PM	#7
Sands Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: 418194907 Posts: 3,134	That's a pretty crappy site. Single video pages allow you another chance to deliver ads and it also creates a larger footprint in SE's. They also allow for "related videos" and "random videos" sections that would further entice the viewer. Having so much flash loading on the page at once makes the page very bloated. If the page lags when you scroll, then that's a good indicator that there's a bit too much on there. Yeah, I don't see any links or banners that link to the content owner, and instead the site depends on upsells to dating and webcams. No scene titles or descriptions which could lend to SEO goals. Yeah, it's a pretty crappy site. Last edited by Sands; 11-13-2008 at 12:40 PM..

11-13-2008, 12:41 PM	#8
Fresh TubeClicks.com - First Tube Affiliate Program Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: LA Posts: 4,920	No technological wonder but its very innovative. I think users will like this layout and there is potential for the site being the first to do it. In a cut throat business, every one-up counts Very cool. __________________ Promote ONE Legal Tube Site, Collect Checks from 19 Sponsors Fresh Dave \| Email: [email protected] \| ICQ: 317160390

11-13-2008, 12:44 PM	#11
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11-13-2008, 12:50 PM	#13
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	too slow. got bored. left.

11-13-2008, 12:53 PM	#15
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	I posted this idea on GFY not to long ago. I am sure this guy that made the page read my post. Its obvious to me this is along the lines of a way MGP can save them selves. Submit a page like this with 6 flash clips on it a few banners over to MGP's that will take them and this idea will take off well. Tubesites wont have a chance on that. Tubesites are cool, but it would be better to have a page with multiple play spots. At tube sites no one gives a shit about a search engine or niche category. That was proven with TGP and MGP. You just make a link that reads what the nich is and link it to a page with about 6 flash clips on it. Bang. DOne EZ MODE> I have no idea why Tube sites have come in so strong they are silly to me, other than tube sites survived by stealing content and long clips so that prolly has alot to do with it thier success. Its certainly not the tube script itself, most tube scripts are pure shit I not seen one I like yet. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \| Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 11-13-2008 at 12:58 PM..

11-13-2008, 12:56 PM	#16
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11-13-2008, 01:04 PM	#17
Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	Tube8 smokes that shit hole. __________________

11-13-2008, 01:22 PM	#20
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	there are no descrips. - no way to find what i like - this site a few notches down from the tubes.

11-13-2008, 01:33 PM	#23
lazycash Troll Patrol Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Local Socal Posts: 15,214	Nothing new with this, have seen at least 50 of these in the last six months. Its just another form of a tube site, don't consider it one upping.

11-13-2008, 01:40 PM	#25
andy83 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,605	kinda slow... closes site __________________ Available Skimmed Traffic Available Ad Spots BUY NICHE BANNER CLICKS OR IMPRESSIONS, SELL YOUR SPOTS FOR A FLAT RATE, SELL YOUR AD SPOTS WITH PROTRAFFIC.COM

11-13-2008, 01:51 PM	#27
SomeCreep :glugglug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 26,118	Eh, as far as tubes go, i give that site a 2 out of 10. __________________ Webair Hosting I use and recommend Webair for hosting.

11-13-2008, 02:01 PM	#33
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	For the record: Fresh runs what I think is probably one the best tube models in the industry. It's very efficient, it definitely monetizes, and it is sticky. My comments should have been more clear. As I am still in an unsettled state about illegal tubes my comments were directed at them. Fresh is on the right side of the fence.

11-13-2008, 06:37 PM	#42
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11-13-2008, 06:48 PM	#44
slavdogg Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 3,570	HD tube sites would be kinda cool __________________ Adult Traffic for Sale

11-13-2008, 07:04 PM	#46
mynameisjim Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,985	That layout is crap. Totally out of touch with the direction a tube site should be going. Clean and fresh is what you want with a tube site, not that trainwreck. __________________ jim (at) amateursconvert . com Amateurs Convert

11-13-2008, 07:12 PM	#48
stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,983	Btw its pretty slick that the ads that come up after the movie finish are geoip right in the space of the player.

11-13-2008, 07:14 PM	#49
collegeboobies So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,644	sounds awesome

11-13-2008, 07:17 PM	#50
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	most people's computers as Robbie says can't even play a real HD video file - and with the economy the way it is people aren't going to be buying new computers for awhile. there isn't even any demand for HD porn - porn fans could care less if something is shot in HD or SD - they can't tell the difference. Shoot in 16:9, encode at 2mbps and tell them it's HD - no .01% will have a clue that isn't 'HD'. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!