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Henry has a great sense of humor

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kane

Rollins is god.

papill0n

I want to disconnect myself.

Pull my brain stem out and unplug myself.

I want nothing right now.

MaDalton

i just finished watching Wrong Turn 2 - he's also not that bad as actor ;)

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tony286

that was great

Shagbunny

Rollins speaks his mind, I admire that.

quesadilla

sounds like a hater.

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I', with Henry here... Heck No to Techno

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TheAmericanCannibal

D$ and I have a GREAT Henry Rollins story

The story is featured in my book

D-Money

We worked out together. He was super cool. Took him to the best gym in Cleveland with me. One of the realist peeps ever. He smelled so bad that day, I didn't even bother cleaning out my car before driving with him.

But that's not the story in KB's book, I'll let you all buy the book to find out the rest.

LOL

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Don Pueblo

sounds like the faggy djs are cutting into his profits of his terrible music. sign of the times. younger generations dont know or care who he is.

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BlackCrayon

the "younger" generation also listens to shit pussified punk rock and other lame over produced crap. Seriously, i struggle to name one good band these days. And I personally hate techno, trance, whatever. Its just a rip off of someone elses music mostly.

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CarlosTheGaucho

LOL

You think that anything as mindless / unconcrete / silly ass posing / machinedrum sounding competes with HR?

One of my greatest friends actually worked for a while as a bartender in a club, and I used to see him time from time on saturdays.

There were different shows, like hardcore, rock, whatever no well known bands mostly very local underground stuff BUT then there were also the "sail the beats" shows that were something for the techno / drum n bass / jungle / psytrance / asstrance and I don't know how did they called it.

And I was SO fascinated once I came in and there was this "sail the beats" show - those people actually :

- didn't need to talk
- didn't need to drink
- most of them even looked they don't need to eat as they looked really unhealthy

An apocalyptic scenery - those weird metal sounds, very fast and very loud, all those girls and boyz in weird conciousless zombie motion, glass eyes watching the projection of different fractals and really visually weird things, and If I mean weird I mean REALLy weird like a 5 second loop of some kid in in the winter cloak repeating over and over.

And they started at 10PM and they practically haven't moved out of their little circle where they were hybernating, unless they went out to smoke more weed or pop another miracle pill.

The worst part - you couldn't stop them, it was like fighting with the living dead, you all remember "resident evil" or "return of the living dead" movies now THOSE people were just as pale, with glass eyes they didn't react on light or human voice, so we had to turn off the power or they would probably be shaking around in their little circle for a week.




If I don't take into account the serious psychical and physical damage caused by the constant level of a loud and very unpleasant sound, they spent alltogether probably like 20 USD for the whole night as far as noone consumed anything organic.

It was fascinating.

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that is some funny shit, thanks for the laugh

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LOL this is a great post Carlos, enjoyed reading it

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yeah, a hater of shitty music.

Pornwolf

I wouldn't compare the Trance crowd to the Jungle crowd.

I went to a couple of Goldie/Metalheadz parties in London. The crowd was very aggressive and definitely not light in the ass like most trance fruit flavored multi colored flashing light loving crowds.

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Dave_Lethal

Rollins is a talentless hack, the only good band he ever performed in was Black Flag and all of that was written by Greg Ginn. DJing and Producing takes talent, I hate it when people who don't know a thing about Electronic Music start spouting off like this.

alias

I've fucked with reason 4.0 a little and made a couple tracks, he is not far off. Unless you play piano you are destined to use other music & samples to get anywhere.

btw can't you make your sig text any larger? it's a little hard to read

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Most producers use midi controllers of some sort to write leads.

Messing around with reason is evidence that producing quality techno does not take talent? I'm missing the logic train on that one.

Some DJs are talentless, but he is lumping DJs in with producers (many do both) since he doesn't understand the culture. Its the equivalent of parents bitching about the type of music thier children listen to. Its so ironic coming from him.

Just because you don't like or appreciate a form of art doesn't mean it does not take talent to produce.


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BlackCrayon

I'd have a lot more respect for it if they made their own stuff to sample instead of just using everyone elses. If they are so talented, why does it all start with someone else's music?

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Dave_Lethal

you know it!

kane

Agreed. I will be impressed when I see a DJ pick up an instrument, play it and write a decent song with it.

It is kind of like when Rappers take the music from one song and just write new lyrics to it.

d-null

that's why I am liking what Shavo and Rza are up to lately where they are actually using real instruments to lay down tracks and doing some pretty cool original stuff for that genre

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Sound designers program soft-synths and those are the instruments that most producers use. Very few quality producers do heavy sampling.

It doesn't.

Daft Punk ripped off that "cola bottle baby" song and various other tracks, same with fatboy slim. They are not the norm, especially when it comes to the type of club scene Rollins is referring too.

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Super Negro

djing a bunch of someone elses music probably commands more cash than rollins dreams on making on his little spoken word tour....even though I agree with the euro trash dj's, they usually get $20k+ a night when they play large gigs

and btw, that ENTIRE tirade he went off on has been done over and over and over again by numerous comedians and talk show hosts, so who is replaying old samples?

one thing I pride myself on, is I may not love all music, but I sure as hell don't go off on other people for their tastes in music, everyone has their own styles, and if we all got mad at anyone not listening to music we like, the world would be a hateful place

Jayvis

I guess I am in a weird predicament of liking both rollins and electonic stuff. A buddy of mine owns a club here and he just had Dirty Vegas do a one night set for a measly $2k, so not all of them are overpaid or talentless. Got to talking to him after the bar closed down and he was nothing but super nice. If it sounds good, and I'm into it, I'll take it. Don't need rollins telling me whats good and whats not. Although his weight lifting article about he totally transformed himself was inspiring to say the least: http://www.gittlen.com/rollins.htm -- really good read for those who need motivation to hit the gym.

kane

Rza has always stuck me as an innovator. Wu Tang had some great stuff (and I'm not a big rap fan). It can be done and done well. I just get annoyed when you see someone like Diddy taking the music from a song, writing a few mew words to it and considering himself a "talented artist." I admire Diddy for being a businessman, but not as a musician.

kane

I think his point is that many people seem to like this music because they are told it is cool. It is like when you wear a shirt because other people tell you it is in style, not because you like it. I think he is mostly railing against people who just follow the herd and don't explore different things for themselves. Rollins will be the first to admit he is not for everyone and most people will not like his music, but he would rather someone hate him and have passion for what they like than to just be indifferent about everything and like something because it makes you shake your ass and goes well with ecstasy.

I interviewed Rollins for a music magazine I used to write for. We spent the day going all over Seattle. He is one of the smartest, most intense and well spoken people I have ever interviewed or spoken to.

Dave_Lethal

Diddy is absolutely awful, what he does isn't sampling, he is basically just rapping over an instrumental version of another artist's music. I understand that a lot of people don't like electronica and dont like hip-hop, but when people make comments about the lack of talent involved in creating either genre, it only makes them look ignorant. Just like with Rock Music, Hip-Hop and Electronica do have some artists who are less talented than others, but creating either style of music well does require a high level of talent.

munki

Rollins calling for censorship... now that's wierd...

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no doubt

CarlosTheGaucho

Word,

And don't get me wrong but I haven't noticed since when should artists be politically correct either.

The problem with this "popular electro scene" is that it doesn't require that much from its listeners (seriously) and it doesn't require that much from its creators (seriously).

It takes years and years of excercise, unless you are really super gifted, to be able to read / write music and play an instrument on a such decent level so you can actually play what you want to play and what you feel and even develop your own style and not to overplay excercises and stuff you practiced or heard somewhere else.

So it's very unlikely that anyone who ever dedicated hours, days and years to be able to play an instrument on a very mediocre level, will get crazy about the next DJ Assbeat record.

Yeah one of my buddies truly went into the electro music after he played drums for like 8 years, but his brain at that time was already so fucked up from weed that he could really play a record backwards and tell you it's his new tune.

Like I am sure there are really original dedicated guys with balls using samplers and shit like Tricky or Roni Size, but that's hardly something for a saturday night douchebag party.



You know what I don't like about most of the electro music?

The fact that it's SO PERFECT - it's a movement of people who don't really usually have much to say and they don't even really need to express anything because:

- they are "together"
- they are "there"
- they are beautiful
- and they love the DJ

So let me ask = who's the (popular) electro music fan?

You wouldn't really get one single specific - cause it's too easy to listen to and too unconcrete and that's the power.

Douchebag looks help to get accepted but even that's not required.



Don't try to bullshit me, I've seen that.

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cykoe6

I used to own a nightclub that played electro house at ear splitting volume for a bunch of drug addled zombie like teenagers and I can state from long and painful first hand experience that electronic music (especially electro) is nothing more than the soundtrack for a very bad dream. I am confident when I get to hell I will be hearing it.

The shit should be outlawed.

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CarlosTheGaucho

There were a few that did this, like Guru, The Roots, then of course if we would talk about sampling DJ Premier used to be really creative with Gang Starr, Tribe called quest or De La Soul were very recognizable.

Then you have a lot of jazzy guys experimenting with hip hop like the Buckshot LeFonque project (Brandford Marsalis and DJ Premier), some Courtney Pine stuff, I guess even Herbie Hancock did a couple hybrid collaborations on one of his newer records.

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Dave_Lethal

If you like DJ Premier you should check out JDilla and Madlib

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Carlos is pretty damn well rounded I'd say.

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Thanks man,

I really admire Rollins for what he is doing.

It's a tough route he chose, but seriously, where is the social criticism / humour these days?

There's so much non sense goin on on a daily basis and all that you see in media is this mediocre politically correct / not too mind demanding bullshit they trying to feed you with to persuade you that you're in fact all right and the only thing you're missing yet is the shit they're advertising you.

I am always both - surprised and happy that his name is becoming quite well recognized, when I started to explore his work (around 1997) I thought I've found such an incredible underground thing, but over the years it seems his audience not only remained loyal but, probably with the help of his appearances on radio and TV (the IFC shows were released on a DVD recently and I can only recommend them) also broadened.

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GAMMA303

Agreed.

Yea what the fuck. Now he's turned into a fuckin hater. Why isn't everybody angry like me? FUCK OFF is what I say to that. Times fuckin change buddy.

He's loosing respect in my eyes for sure. He's just trying to find a new target market. Old Angry people.

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xNetworx

He sounds like a crabby old grandpa. He's half a fag... i'm surprised he doesnt like techno

Drake

I think there are more people who pretend to like Rollins because they think it's cool than people who pretend to like techno (has it ever been cool to like techno?). No sense in getting worked up about it. The market decides what gets airplay. The music industry is about money, not quality. Britney Spears has outsold most of my favorite music artists/bands many times over.

As for hip-hop/rap attempts at or mergers with 'real' music, it should probably stop. It rarely works because rap isn't 'real' or traditional music by any means. It's street theater and poetry put to a 4/4 time signature looped breakbeat with samples and sprinkled with jingles. Most of the best raps have been done using these standard features, not live instrumentation or marriages to other genres. From what I've heard, it seems to work sparingly and only if the non-rap genre is the principle component of the song (eg. some of RATM's stuff, Aerosmith's Walk this Way featuring Run DMC).

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Dave_Lethal

I've never really respected Rollins, I prefer the Black Flag stuff with Dez Cadena, Chavo or Keith Morris on vocals, but those comments are pure bullshit, especially considering the kind of treatment that Punk Rockers got from mainstream society in the early 80's.

CarlosTheGaucho

The problem with anything getting "popular" (and I'm meaning "popular" in the Rollins case) is that you get a whole lot of people who are jumping ANY wagon just to get a "status" or "to belong somewhere", so something that should in fact attract those who are not comfortable with the majority of "usual" shit that's goin on, will in fact attract fake kids that want to look different and original.

The same goes with punk rock / hardcore / trash metal movements you have a couple dedicated hardcore fans and a whole lot of fakes that usually bark the most, but they'll get their hair cut and thier job in daddy's firm soon.

If I identified with Rollins when I was 17?

Yes I did, and it's no wonder since we both come from very similar family background, we both were skinny outsiders as kids who started to work out frantically (I've gained about 45 pounds in the gym while on a high school), we both love music and can't help but comment on any douchebaggin that's goin on.

Now I'm getting older, but I still enjoy his spoken word and I still enjoy his older records, his publishing activities, his media activities (the Henry Rollins show on IFC is some of the best I've seen in TV in ages), the W3C activities, as well as most of his reading although I am lighter in the ass than I used to be.

The point is that some things / and these modern faggy electro music included are BUILT to attract those, who need a simple and easy "status".

Yeah I am going to the dance party - there's nothing else to say about it..

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CarlosTheGaucho

That's correct, rap used to be a form of poetry, a form of cultural expression of those who couldn't play instruments or didn't had money to buy any - most importantly it was an underground thing when it started.

Noone ever expected it to grow as big as those baggy pants they're wearin.

Do you know how those huge baggy pants came to existence? Kids from the ghetto were wearing their uncle's pants cause they were too poor to buy new ones, so now you have billions of baggy pants in the streets sold for 200 USD / piece to remind you on those, who couldn't afford any.

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cykoe6

I think you may be right about this. I am old and angry and hate techno. I thought his comments were spot on.

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