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WarChild · 12-16-2008, 09:57 AM

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U. S. Senate Minority Report:

More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

Scientists Continue to Debunk ?Consensus? in 2008

Over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe challenged man-made global warming claims made by the United Nations Intergovernemntal Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and former Vice President Al Gore. This new 231-page U.S. Senate Minority Report report -- updated from 2007?s groundbreaking report of over 400 scientists who voiced skepticism about the so-called global warming ?consensus? -- features the skeptical voices of over 650 prominent international scientists, including many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN IPCC. This updated report includes an additional 250 (and growing) scientists and climate researchers since the initial release in December 2007. The over 650 dissenting scientists are more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...cdb7&Issue_id=

Maybe some of you idiots can dance around and explain how it's a "fact" some more for us?

BradM · 12-16-2008, 10:01 AM

Religion is a fact to some, and a farce to others. 50% of people will always FEVERISHLY disagree with what you have to say and are absolutely unswaying. To even try is futile.

StuBradley · 12-16-2008, 10:13 AM

It's a fact that the temperature of Earth is on an upswing. What is causing that is still up for debate. Personally, I don't think that we are causing it. I think the fact that the polar caps on Mars are melting points more towards the sun as being the culprit.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2..._southpole.htm

cykoe6 · 12-16-2008, 10:14 AM

The continued bleating from the green party leftist idiots about how man made global warming is a "fact" is just a typical Marxist ploy to to stifle dissenting opinions so as to implement unpopular and disastrous big government policies by use of continued repetition of the "big lie" that global warming is an existential threat to the planet.

While common sense dictates that everyone should try to live in an environmentally sound way the agenda of the "global warming" fanatics has nothing to do with the environment and everything to with increasing the power and scope of government to the extent that their entire Marxist agenda can be implemented without having to deal with the ever shifting winds of pubic opinion and the democratic process.

stickyfingerz · 12-16-2008, 10:15 AM

Fuck you Al Gore made a movie saying its so. Al Gore invented the fucking internet. What more proof do you need? Honestly?

potter · 12-16-2008, 10:17 AM

Well, global warming is still a fact. Our polar ice caps are still melting at an incredible rate. If it's not our fault there's no way for us to change anything to reverse it.

... So you're saying we're fucked and there's nothing we can do about it?

Great! Glad you cleared things up.

czarina · 12-16-2008, 10:26 AM

I always said that it's natural climatic shifting, but nobody wanted to listen. Hell, I said that 911 was done by the US govt. and nobody wanted to listen either!

Malicious Biz · 12-16-2008, 10:27 AM

Global Warming is caused by Al Gore's flatulence.

Tom_PM · 12-16-2008, 10:28 AM

Why bother arguing? It's a moving target.

First people claimed there was NO global warming and that was the target. Now people agree the globe is in a warming trend, so now the target is if it's man made or not.

When will the fact that it doesnt matter what caused it penetrate? Mankind can help reduce the amount of bad emissions so why doesnt he do so quickly? Money.

WarChild · 12-16-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by potter

Well, global warming is still a fact. Our polar ice caps are still melting at an incredible rate. If it's not our fault there's no way for us to change anything to reverse it.

... So you're saying we're fucked and there's nothing we can do about it?

Great! Glad you cleared things up.

I'm saying the Earth's weather is cyclic. It's been hotter, it's been colder. There have been ice ages and the ice has melted.

The average temperature got _colder_ over the last year, not warmer. So you'd better switch to calling it Global Cooling now.

WarChild · 12-16-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Why bother arguing? It's a moving target.

First people claimed there was NO global warming and that was the target. Now people agree the globe is in a warming trend, so now the target is if it's man made or not.

When will the fact that it doesnt matter what caused it penetrate? Mankind can help reduce the amount of bad emissions so why doesnt he do so quickly? Money.

Every person should really do what they can to reduce their footprint on the planet, period. It doesn't matter if Carbon contributes to "Global Climate Change" or not. The net results of pollutants we release can be observed on a much more local scale. That is, large power plants spewing crap in to the air in Boston lowers the air quality in Boston.

Nobody's arguing that mankind is not wasteful or couldn't do a much better job at taking care of this planet of ours. The argument is wether or not it's prudent to declare Carbon as the problem to end all problems, regulate and tax the shit out of, and run along as if everything else is normal.

_Richard_ · 12-16-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

I'm saying the Earth's weather is cyclic. It's been hotter, it's been colder. There have been ice ages and the ice has melted.

The average temperature got _colder_ over the last year, not warmer. So you'd better switch to calling it Global Cooling now.

putting the world to one extreme means that it will go into another. If the simple term 'global warming' was too much for you to accept the natural cycle in the enviroment, so be it.

If it gets really hot, it's going to get really cold, and from there, possibly, spiral out of control.

i'm not sitting here being eco-er-than-thou, i'm just saying it's a no brainer to say humanity is having a negative effect on the environment.

BlackCrayon · 12-16-2008, 10:33 AM

What I don't like is when people who say there is no such thing as global warming do so as a green light to continue to abuse the earth. No matter if its real or not we should be doing all we can to use items, energy, etc that doesn't harm us or the earth.

Martin · 12-16-2008, 10:35 AM

I'm totally for cleaning up this planet and for more restrictions on heavy polluting corporations. I'm all for greener cars, cleaner homes. I'm all for stopping over fishing, over tree harvesting. All these things, but I never believed that humans were the cause of the climate change, warming, cooling.

WarChild · 12-16-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SBR Richard

putting the world to one extreme means that it will go into another. If the simple term 'global warming' was too much for you to accept the natural cycle in the enviroment, so be it.

If it gets really hot, it's going to get really cold, and from there, possibly, spiral out of control.

i'm not sitting here being eco-er-than-thou, i'm just saying it's a no brainer to say humanity is having a negative effect on the environment.

I have highlighted the key word in your post.

If aliens show up in mother ships to destroy the Earth, and Will Smith is not available, the whole place might be ionized all at once. If.

Why is it a "no brainer"? Nature gives man some pretty handy ass kickings. Earthquakes, hurricanes, tornados, floods, drout, etc etc. If you ask me, it seems like we're more at the will of mother nature than the other way around.

Tom_PM · 12-16-2008, 10:47 AM

Well I agree about reducing the footprint. People know I live like a hermit here. I drive like 2 miles a week max, have had flourescent bulbs for like 15 yrs now and shit like that. My personal footprint must be teensy.

Lets hope these scientists stop arguing about what causes it and do some math on what needs to be done.

Step 1) there is no such thing as "clean coal".

The phrase "clean coal" is a slogan. It's not an actual thing. Coal is the filthiest mother fucker on the planet. The Bush people even overturned some of Clintons clean water act instead of LOSING in court against the slew of people who sued the government about the coal miners. They blast the top off mountains, get the coal, and dump the rest over the side of the mountain! Right into streams, creeks, rivers, lakes, oceans. Peoples well water is black now. And the governments resolution was to overturn the laws that forced them to mine cleaner.

And they have the gall to convince McCain (who railed against 'clean coal' grants in the 1990's!!!) and Obama too! They BOTH use the slogan "clean coal" in their campaigns. My god that must have been a shitload of money they shovelled into their pockets.

The Duck · 12-16-2008, 10:54 AM

Dude we actually agree on something. I think hell just froze over.

Do you guys want to know what I think is causing global warming?

Darkland · 12-16-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by potter

Well, global warming is still a fact. Our polar ice caps are still melting at an incredible rate. If it's not our fault there's no way for us to change anything to reverse it.

... So you're saying we're fucked and there's nothing we can do about it?

Great! Glad you cleared things up.

This is why so many still cling to the man made global warming theory... The thought that they have no control over their world and their lives is unthinkable.

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Originally Posted by WarChild

I have highlighted the key word in your post.

If aliens show up in mother ships to destroy the Earth, and Will Smith is not available, the whole place might be ionized all at once. If.

Why is it a "no brainer"? Nature gives man some pretty handy ass kickings. Earthquakes, hurricanes, tornados, floods, drout, etc etc. If you ask me, it seems like we're more at the will of mother nature than the other way around.

Exactly, and data shows it has been like this before. Shit, when our planet was forming and was basically one hemmroidal volcano CO2 was all there was.

Other things people do not take into account that affects our planet is not always IN or ON our planet. Differing distances or changing orbits around the sun, changes in the sun itself, just because we THINK we know how the sun works or THINK the sun always behaves in a certain way doesn't mean it can't do something out of the norm or do something that is normal for it that just hasn't been observed yet.

I think mankind has to big an ego to think they have the power to change or destroy the planet. The planet isn't in jepordy like the green peacers would have you believe, WE ARE by our own actions. We aren't killing the planet, we are killing ourselves. The earth is not dependant on us for it's health and security, we are dependant on it.

LadyMischief · 12-16-2008, 11:15 AM

This is not news to those who actually have done any amount of research or have a clue about paleoclimatology...or even look so far as the dark ages.... :P

Or they could simply explain away the homologous warming trend on Mars to earth's own warming trend by saying it was the little green men... (people should look at a more common source, like the sun..)

B2BwithJoeD · 12-16-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

I'm saying the Earth's weather is cyclic. It's been hotter, it's been colder. There have been ice ages and the ice has melted.

The average temperature got _colder_ over the last year, not warmer. So you'd better switch to calling it Global Cooling now.

Evil MAN is responsible for the global cooling phenomenon...

cykoe6 · 12-16-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Step 1) there is no such thing as "clean coal".

The phrase "clean coal" is a slogan. It's not an actual thing. Coal is the filthiest mother fucker on the planet. The Bush people even overturned some of Clintons clean water act instead of LOSING in court against the slew of people who sued the government about the coal miners. They blast the top off mountains, get the coal, and dump the rest over the side of the mountain! Right into streams, creeks, rivers, lakes, oceans. Peoples well water is black now. And the governments resolution was to overturn the laws that forced them to mine cleaner.

And they have the gall to convince McCain (who railed against 'clean coal' grants in the 1990's!!!) and Obama too! They BOTH use the slogan "clean coal" in their campaigns. My god that must have been a shitload of money they shovelled into their pockets.

If you are opposed to clean coal then I hope you don't enjoy any activities that require electricity. I guess when the blackouts come we will have people like you to thank for it. Not sure why people would want to go back to the stone ages in order to save themselves from some imagined threat but to each their own. I just wish your suicidal stupidity was not going to effect the rest of us who prefer life with luxuries like electricity.

hjnet · 12-16-2008, 11:22 AM

Does it really matter if it's man made or not? I think the only thing that matters is that we can do something against it by reducing CO2 and Methane Emissions.

Being just a Natural Phenomenon doesn't mean that we just have to sit there and wait like a cow for the slaughter....

SmokeyTheBear · 12-16-2008, 11:25 AM

lets just say that tomorrow every leading scientist came out and said global warming is a myth. 100%, everyone.

How exactly does that change ANYTHING ?

All the things that lead up to the theory of global warming are still bad things, maybe they just dont cause the earth to get warmer.

Tom_PM · 12-16-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

If you are opposed to clean coal then I hope you don't enjoy any activities that require electricity. I guess when the blackouts come we will have people like you to thank for it. Not sure why people would want to go back to the stone ages in order to save themselves from some imagined threat but to each their own. I just wish your suicidal stupidity was not going to effect the rest of us who prefer life with luxuries like electricity.

Yes. Because Coal is the only way to create electricity.

What you do is use the sun. Use the wind. Use natural gas. Any of those existing technologies. And you invest in them. You actually spend money on them for once. Lets try that before we find our caves and work on starting fires.

huey · 12-16-2008, 11:42 AM

The next ice age should really fuck things up. Think we are due.

KillerK · 12-16-2008, 11:55 AM

Clean Coal is Clean!

cykoe6 · 12-16-2008, 11:59 AM

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Yes. Because Coal is the only way to create electricity.

What you do is use the sun. Use the wind. Use natural gas. Any of those existing technologies. And you invest in them. You actually spend money on them for once. Lets try that before we find our caves and work on starting fires.

50% of the electricity in the US is currently produced by coal. Thanks to the environmentalist zealots it is already next to impossible to get permitting for a power plant. They are already predicting roving blackouts as a matter of course in New York City and Los Angeles in the next few years as a result of the ridiculous polices mandated by the environmentalist left. We need to go in the opposite direction and build more coal fired power plants to insure the power supply.

If you are so opposed to coal then unplug your computer, light up some candles and pull yourself off the grid. Leave the rest of us out of it.

Tom_PM · 12-16-2008, 12:18 PM

Most of the power where I live comes from water and nuclear, then coal. But yes I do know what you mean. But dont think that the CURRENT and PAST reliance on coal means we should roll back laws made to keep water clean, lmao. Come on. Thats cheating

Want to burn coal? Fine. Do it within the laws. But rolling back a law PURELY because doing so will make your operation "legal" again is pretty piss poor reasoning. The water in West Virginia didnt miraculously become cleaner when they rolled back the law. It only made dumping waste into it legal again, at the DIRECT expense of the residents. And the government doesnt kick in money for them to buy their water now since they can not use their wells anymore. They're hopelessly contaminated. Check out youtube or something for mountaintop mining, or similar.

But no worries, the government DOES kick in more money for the coal industry to try mixing it with cow shit in the hope that it burns "clean". Priorities. Priorities.

How much money in grants does the US government supply to alternative sources? When it's the same amount it grants to coal and oil, then we can debate why were were idiots back in the day of burning fossilized plants and animals.

klinton · 12-16-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

What I don't like is when people who say there is no such thing as global warming do so as a green light to continue to abuse the earth. No matter if its real or not we should be doing all we can to use items, energy, etc that doesn't harm us or the earth.

exactly

TheDoc · 12-16-2008, 01:18 PM

What if it 'should be' hotter, what if it should be 10-20 degrees hotter on average? It once was, and they now think that during those times humans lived much, almost double the age of today's average while during cold periods the average age of death was about to 2/3 lower, even 100 years ago the difference in age, is the difference in a few degrees in mother earth.

What if... it should be hotter?

Bill8 · 12-16-2008, 02:24 PM

By definition it's not a "fact". It's a theory.

If you are going to pretend to talk science, you sould get your terms right. Pretending to talk science and mixing up basic terminology pretty clearly demonstrates that you don't understand the science behind the theory.

You should read more.

cykoe6 · 12-16-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill8

By definition it's not a "fact". It's a theory.

If you are going to pretend to talk science, you sould get your terms right. Pretending to talk science and mixing up basic terminology pretty clearly demonstrates that you don't understand the science behind the theory.

You should read more.

He is quite aware that it is not a fact. It is the alarmists who claim that it is a fact.

slapass · 12-16-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Every person should really do what they can to reduce their footprint on the planet, period. It doesn't matter if Carbon contributes to "Global Climate Change" or not. The net results of pollutants we release can be observed on a much more local scale. That is, large power plants spewing crap in to the air in Boston lowers the air quality in Boston.

Nobody's arguing that mankind is not wasteful or couldn't do a much better job at taking care of this planet of ours. The argument is wether or not it's prudent to declare Carbon as the problem to end all problems, regulate and tax the shit out of, and run along as if everything else is normal.

If we are not the problem why bother reducing anything? In a closed environment the increase of CO2 raises the average temperature. We are in a closed environment just a very big one. So the rest is just math to see how much not if. Also because we are in such a big environment we get lots noise in the data. Pretty common problem.

seeandsee · 12-16-2008, 04:03 PM

ice cold coming

Bill8 · 12-16-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

He is quite aware that it is not a fact. It is the alarmists who claim that it is a fact.

Since his "evidence" consists of 600 scientists signing a paper, then presumably if the other side gets 6000 scientists to sign a paper, then the right wing would have to apologize and pay for all the delay they've caused out of their own personal pockets.

Like that'll happen.

The way he's presenting his "fact" is silly histrionics. It's not science, it has nothing to do with the various theories, it's just politically motivated polemic that means nothing more than any other "alarmist" emotional polemic.

And it happens to be conveinient for the right wing (and the corporations that pay for these kinds of papers and events) to promote this point of view, just as it was conveinient for the tobacco companies to pay for years to promote false claims that tobacco wasn't harmful - to avoid blame and costs.

LadyMischief · 12-16-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hjnet

Does it really matter if it's man made or not? I think the only thing that matters is that we can do something against it by reducing CO2 and Methane Emissions.

Being just a Natural Phenomenon doesn't mean that we just have to sit there and wait like a cow for the slaughter....

We are fleas on the back of a dog compared to what the earth can emit without our help.. all it takes is one massive volcano or natural event to blow the levels of co2 we've produced in the entire industrial period out of the water in a matter of hours. Don't think for am oment anything we do is going to have any effect, or do you honestly think we can effect the solar cycles and stop them from doing what they've done for BILLIONS of years? We can make our environment less polluted for generations to come..but in all honesty, that's about IT.

Do the research yourself don't take my word for it ;)

LadyMischief · 12-16-2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

lets just say that tomorrow every leading scientist came out and said global warming is a myth. 100%, everyone.

How exactly does that change ANYTHING ?

All the things that lead up to the theory of global warming are still bad things, maybe they just dont cause the earth to get warmer.

That's about the size of it.

LadyMischief · 12-16-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill8

Since his "evidence" consists of 600 scientists signing a paper, then presumably if the other side gets 6000 scientists to sign a paper, then the right wing would have to apologize and pay for all the delay they've caused out of their own personal pockets.

Like that'll happen.

The way he's presenting his "fact" is silly histrionics. It's not science, it has nothing to do with the various theories, it's just politically motivated polemic that means nothing more than any other "alarmist" emotional polemic.

And it happens to be conveinient for the right wing (and the corporations that pay for these kinds of papers and events) to promote this point of view, just as it was conveinient for the tobacco companies to pay for years to promote false claims that tobacco wasn't harmful - to avoid blame and costs.

Actually, a lot of the scientists who are claimed to have signed off on it had nothing to do with the report whatsoever, and several even filed lawsuits over the fact they were claimed to have signed off on it and in fact felt quite the opposite. The UN's governing body on climate change is about as useful as the UN itself..BULLSHIT.

GatorB · 12-16-2008, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Maybe some of you idiots can dance around and explain how it's a "fact" some more for us?

YOU=RETARD

So you find someone that agree wihtk your point of view adn somehow your point is "proven". Um WRONG. Hey try using LOGIC and you'll see.You REFUSE to use logic and thus come up with illogical opinions.

here's is why you don't believe in man made global warming

A) you think the necessary changes will hurt business( untrue by the way )
B) you think the encessary changes will increase your taxes( untrue by the way )
C) you think necessary changes will cost you more money out of your pocket( unture just the opposite is true )
D) you think the necessary changes will be brudensome to you.( once again UNTRUE )

Now even if every I post was in fact true that still is not a reason to not believe in man made global warming. You are one of those people that think if you deny the truth it's no longer the truth. How one comes up with that illogical way of thinking is beyond me.

LadyMischief · 12-16-2008, 04:15 PM

Great article here:

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4072

And another...excellent article by National Geographic entitled Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...s-warming.html

Global warming has also been detected on Triton:
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/199...runc_sys.shtml

The "Greenhouse Effect" has been brought into severe question as well:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...cientists.html

Timothy Ball, one of the first Canadian doctors in climatology, wrote an article about his frustration of people NOT listening to the scientific community about "global warming":
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/...ming020507.htm

I suppose that's all made up stuff, while the Global warming camp is all basing their "knowledge" and "stats" on facts, right? WRONG.

LadyMischief · 12-16-2008, 04:17 PM

They must all be quacks!
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ut_030320.html

Global warming is reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal we humans TOTALLY did it!!!

LadyMischief · 12-16-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill8

By definition it's not a "fact". It's a theory.

If you are going to pretend to talk science, you sould get your terms right. Pretending to talk science and mixing up basic terminology pretty clearly demonstrates that you don't understand the science behind the theory.

You should read more.

I'd love to see real science behind the theory.. not junk science. Global warming may be happening (due to forces ENTIRELY out of man's control), but it's not us doing it..unless of course, we're also somehow creating global warming on mars, triton and other bodies in the solar system. No, wait it's the little green men again..heh.

directfiesta · 12-16-2008, 04:19 PM

so funny to see the extreme right wing club clinging to false fact.

Check out how much Groenland ( Greenland ) has lost of its mass of ice over the past 5 years ...Enough to fill 37 Cheasapeake bay ....

LadyMischief · 12-16-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

so funny to see the extreme right wing club clinging to false fact.

Check out how much Groenland ( Greenland ) has lost of its mass of ice over the past 5 years ...Enough to fill 37 Cheasapeake bay ....

Not the first time in history and not the last time those kind of catastrophic melts will happen. It's a fairly predictable cycle that can be intrinsically linked with SOLAR CYCLES... unless of course you can explain warming on other planets too....?

GatorB · 12-16-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

We are fleas on the back of a dog compared to what the earth can emit without our help.. all it takes is one massive volcano or natural event to blow the levels of co2 we've produced in the entire industrial period out of the water in a matter of hours. Don't think for am oment anything we do is going to have any effect, or do you honestly think we can effect the solar cycles and stop them from doing what they've done for BILLIONS of years? We can make our environment less polluted for generations to come..but in all honesty, that's about IT.

Do the research yourself don't take my word for it ;)

wrong. we are fleas? yes look how much destuction of the planet us fleas have caused. we have populated the entired planet. We have caused the extinction of tens of thousands of species and brought other to the brink of extinction. Look at all the land we have torn up to build all our cities. Mother Nature never wiped out 100% of all life on Earth, man has that power and can do it quickly and not take eons. To deny man can do great harm is to be obtuse and ignorant and possible downright stupid.

GatorB · 12-16-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

so funny to see the extreme right wing club clinging to false fact.

Check out how much Groenland ( Greenland ) has lost of its mass of ice over the past 5 years ...Enough to fill 37 Cheasapeake bay ....

These same retard at first deny ANY kindof global warming. Now they denyman made global warming. Hard to deny global warming due to CO2 when we have VENUS as proof CO2 can make planet HOT. So now that we established that CO2 in the atmosphere WARMS it up and you have the fact that mankind if putting CO2 into the air. Then if one uses LOGIC mankind is contriubuting to the warming of the earth.

LadyMischief · 12-16-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

wrong. we are fleas? yes look how much destuction of the planet us fleas have caused. we have populated the entired planet. We have caused the extinction of tens of thousands of species and brought other to the brink of extinction. Look at all the land we have torn up to build all our cities. Mother Nature never wiped out 100% of all life on Earth, man has that power and can do it quickly and not take eons. To deny man can do great harm is to be obtuse and ignorant and possible downright stupid.

One asteroid can and has done more damage than we humans have in the 90,000 some-odd years modern humans have been on this planet. Mother nature has not only come close to wiping out 100% of the life on earth, but it's done so MULTIPLE times, and we have an awful lot of bones in museums to pay testament to both that fact, and the fact that climate change, mass extinction of species, and change in environment are hardly unique to our lifetimes.

GatorB · 12-16-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

One asteroid can and has done more damage than we humans have in the 90,000 some-odd years modern humans have been on this planet. Mother nature has not only come close to wiping out 100% of the life on earth, but it's done so MULTIPLE times, and we have an awful lot of bones in museums to pay testament to both that fact, and the fact that climate change, mass extinction of species, and change in environment are hardly unique to our lifetimes.

At the height of the cold war if the US and USSR had launched all this nuclear missles that would have done more damage and any asteroid has done. And would have done it in hours not 90,000 years. nice try.

the real question is why are you for pollution? Stop dismissing logic. You must be a shill for the oil companies or something. You POV is totally illogical.

TheDoc · 12-16-2008, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

wrong. we are fleas? yes look how much destuction of the planet us fleas have caused. we have populated the entired planet. We have caused the extinction of tens of thousands of species and brought other to the brink of extinction. Look at all the land we have torn up to build all our cities. Mother Nature never wiped out 100% of all life on Earth, man has that power and can do it quickly and not take eons. To deny man can do great harm is to be obtuse and ignorant and possible downright stupid.

Fleas can kill the host, humans can not kill earth. Man can not kill everything on this earth either. Man doesn't have enough power to kill all the humans, let alone everything else.

LadyMischief · 12-16-2008, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

These same retard at first deny ANY kindof global warming. Now they denyman made global warming. Hard to deny global warming due to CO2 when we have VENUS as proof CO2 can make planet HOT. So now that we established that CO2 in the atmosphere WARMS it up and you have the fact that mankind if putting CO2 into the air. Then if one uses LOGIC mankind is contriubuting to the warming of the earth.

Apparently you need to read some of the articles from the HIGHLY RESPECTED SCIENTISTS AND SCIENTIFIC sources who basically prove the "man-made global warming theory" to be completely bunk. I don't think I've personally ever said global warming doesn't exist, but I will say people sure didn't do it. And remember boys and girls, usually a global warming trend is followed by a massive global COOLING trend, I'd be FAR more worried about that than the warmth.

http://ff.org/centers/csspp/library/...06-23/dark.htm

"The previous cycle of the millennial-scale oscillation of climate that brought the planet the Little Ice Age and Modern Warm Period introduced the world to the Dark Ages Cold Period and Medieval Warm Period. We here report on this phenomenon as it occurred in South America, focusing on the Dark Ages Cold Period. "

The last time this happened.. the world of plenty from the warmth was driven down into the dark ages by the horrible cold and famine that followed. That is far more disturbing to me than seeing the world get warmer for a few years. Enjoy it while it lasts.

12-16-2008, 10:13 AM	#3
StuBradley Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 2,625	It's a fact that the temperature of Earth is on an upswing. What is causing that is still up for debate. Personally, I don't think that we are causing it. I think the fact that the polar caps on Mars are melting points more towards the sun as being the culprit. http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2..._southpole.htm __________________ 51-566-514

12-16-2008, 10:14 AM	#4
cykoe6 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vegas Posts: 4,499	The continued bleating from the green party leftist idiots about how man made global warming is a "fact" is just a typical Marxist ploy to to stifle dissenting opinions so as to implement unpopular and disastrous big government policies by use of continued repetition of the "big lie" that global warming is an existential threat to the planet. While common sense dictates that everyone should try to live in an environmentally sound way the agenda of the "global warming" fanatics has nothing to do with the environment and everything to with increasing the power and scope of government to the extent that their entire Marxist agenda can be implemented without having to deal with the ever shifting winds of pubic opinion and the democratic process. __________________ бабки, шлюхи, сила

12-16-2008, 10:17 AM	#6
potter Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Denver Posts: 6,559	Well, global warming is still a fact. Our polar ice caps are still melting at an incredible rate. If it's not our fault there's no way for us to change anything to reverse it. ... So you're saying we're fucked and there's nothing we can do about it? Great! Glad you cleared things up. __________________

12-16-2008, 10:28 AM	#9
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Why bother arguing? It's a moving target. First people claimed there was NO global warming and that was the target. Now people agree the globe is in a warming trend, so now the target is if it's man made or not. When will the fact that it doesnt matter what caused it penetrate? Mankind can help reduce the amount of bad emissions so why doesnt he do so quickly? Money. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

12-16-2008, 10:33 AM	#13
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	What I don't like is when people who say there is no such thing as global warming do so as a green light to continue to abuse the earth. No matter if its real or not we should be doing all we can to use items, energy, etc that doesn't harm us or the earth. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

12-16-2008, 10:01 AM	#2
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	Religion is a fact to some, and a farce to others. 50% of people will always FEVERISHLY disagree with what you have to say and are absolutely unswaying. To even try is futile.

12-16-2008, 10:15 AM	#5
stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,983	Fuck you Al Gore made a movie saying its so. Al Gore invented the fucking internet. What more proof do you need? Honestly?

12-16-2008, 10:26 AM	#7
czarina Webmaster Extraordinaire Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: A beautiful beach... Posts: 10,746	I always said that it's natural climatic shifting, but nobody wanted to listen. Hell, I said that 911 was done by the US govt. and nobody wanted to listen either!

12-16-2008, 10:27 AM	#8
Malicious Biz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Put Shoe On Head Plz Posts: 4,575	Global Warming is caused by Al Gore's flatulence.

12-16-2008, 10:35 AM	#14
Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	I'm totally for cleaning up this planet and for more restrictions on heavy polluting corporations. I'm all for greener cars, cleaner homes. I'm all for stopping over fishing, over tree harvesting. All these things, but I never believed that humans were the cause of the climate change, warming, cooling. __________________

12-16-2008, 10:47 AM	#16
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Well I agree about reducing the footprint. People know I live like a hermit here. I drive like 2 miles a week max, have had flourescent bulbs for like 15 yrs now and shit like that. My personal footprint must be teensy. Lets hope these scientists stop arguing about what causes it and do some math on what needs to be done. Step 1) there is no such thing as "clean coal". The phrase "clean coal" is a slogan. It's not an actual thing. Coal is the filthiest mother fucker on the planet. The Bush people even overturned some of Clintons clean water act instead of LOSING in court against the slew of people who sued the government about the coal miners. They blast the top off mountains, get the coal, and dump the rest over the side of the mountain! Right into streams, creeks, rivers, lakes, oceans. Peoples well water is black now. And the governments resolution was to overturn the laws that forced them to mine cleaner. And they have the gall to convince McCain (who railed against 'clean coal' grants in the 1990's!!!) and Obama too! They BOTH use the slogan "clean coal" in their campaigns. My god that must have been a shitload of money they shovelled into their pockets. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

12-16-2008, 10:54 AM	#17
The Duck Adult Content Provider Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 18,243	Dude we actually agree on something. I think hell just froze over. Do you guys want to know what I think is causing global warming? __________________ Skype Horusmaia ICQ 41555245 Email [email protected]

12-16-2008, 11:15 AM	#19
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	This is not news to those who actually have done any amount of research or have a clue about paleoclimatology...or even look so far as the dark ages.... :P Or they could simply explain away the homologous warming trend on Mars to earth's own warming trend by saying it was the little green men... (people should look at a more common source, like the sun..) __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

12-16-2008, 11:22 AM	#22
hjnet Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: European Union Posts: 3,815	Does it really matter if it's man made or not? I think the only thing that matters is that we can do something against it by reducing CO2 and Methane Emissions. Being just a Natural Phenomenon doesn't mean that we just have to sit there and wait like a cow for the slaughter....

12-16-2008, 11:25 AM	#23
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	lets just say that tomorrow every leading scientist came out and said global warming is a myth. 100%, everyone. How exactly does that change ANYTHING ? All the things that lead up to the theory of global warming are still bad things, maybe they just dont cause the earth to get warmer. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

12-16-2008, 11:42 AM	#25
huey Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: vancouver Posts: 3,655	The next ice age should really fuck things up. Think we are due. __________________ opinions are like assholes................. "They aren't after me, they are AFTER YOU! Im just in their way" -D.J. Trump

12-16-2008, 11:55 AM	#26
KillerK Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,406	Clean Coal is Clean!

12-16-2008, 12:18 PM	#28
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Most of the power where I live comes from water and nuclear, then coal. But yes I do know what you mean. But dont think that the CURRENT and PAST reliance on coal means we should roll back laws made to keep water clean, lmao. Come on. Thats cheating Want to burn coal? Fine. Do it within the laws. But rolling back a law PURELY because doing so will make your operation "legal" again is pretty piss poor reasoning. The water in West Virginia didnt miraculously become cleaner when they rolled back the law. It only made dumping waste into it legal again, at the DIRECT expense of the residents. And the government doesnt kick in money for them to buy their water now since they can not use their wells anymore. They're hopelessly contaminated. Check out youtube or something for mountaintop mining, or similar. But no worries, the government DOES kick in more money for the coal industry to try mixing it with cow shit in the hope that it burns "clean". Priorities. Priorities. How much money in grants does the US government supply to alternative sources? When it's the same amount it grants to coal and oil, then we can debate why were were idiots back in the day of burning fossilized plants and animals. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

12-16-2008, 01:18 PM	#30
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	What if it 'should be' hotter, what if it should be 10-20 degrees hotter on average? It once was, and they now think that during those times humans lived much, almost double the age of today's average while during cold periods the average age of death was about to 2/3 lower, even 100 years ago the difference in age, is the difference in a few degrees in mother earth. What if... it should be hotter? __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

12-16-2008, 02:24 PM	#31
Bill8 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,901	By definition it's not a "fact". It's a theory. If you are going to pretend to talk science, you sould get your terms right. Pretending to talk science and mixing up basic terminology pretty clearly demonstrates that you don't understand the science behind the theory. You should read more.

12-16-2008, 04:03 PM	#34
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12-16-2008, 04:15 PM	#40
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	Great article here: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4072 And another...excellent article by National Geographic entitled Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...s-warming.html Global warming has also been detected on Triton: http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/199...runc_sys.shtml The "Greenhouse Effect" has been brought into severe question as well: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...cientists.html Timothy Ball, one of the first Canadian doctors in climatology, wrote an article about his frustration of people NOT listening to the scientific community about "global warming": http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/...ming020507.htm I suppose that's all made up stuff, while the Global warming camp is all basing their "knowledge" and "stats" on facts, right? WRONG. __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

12-16-2008, 04:17 PM	#41
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	They must all be quacks! http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ut_030320.html Global warming is reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal we humans TOTALLY did it!!! __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

12-16-2008, 04:19 PM	#43
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Punta Cana, DR Posts: 29,585	so funny to see the extreme right wing club clinging to false fact. Check out how much Groenland ( Greenland ) has lost of its mass of ice over the past 5 years ...Enough to fill 37 Cheasapeake bay .... __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....