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DirtyDanza · 12-19-2008, 11:23 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,470039,00.html

After years of suing thousands of people for allegedly stealing music via the Internet, the recording industry is set to drop its legal assault as it searches for more effective ways to combat online music piracy.

The decision represents an abrupt shift of strategy for the industry, which has opened legal proceedings against about 35,000 people since 2003.

Critics say the legal offensive ultimately did little to stem the tide of illegally downloaded music. And it created a public-relations disaster for the industry, whose lawsuits targeted, among others, several single mothers, a dead person and a 13-year-old girl.

Instead, the Recording Industry Association of America said it plans to try an approach that relies on the cooperation of Internet service providers.

The trade group said it has hashed out preliminary agreements with major ISPs under which it will send an e-mail to the provider when it finds a provider's customers making music available online for others to take.

Depending on the agreement, the ISP will either forward the note to customers, or alert customers that they appear to be uploading music illegally, and ask them to stop.

If the customers continue the file-sharing, they will get one or two more e-mails, perhaps accompanied by slower service from the provider.

Finally, the ISP may cut off their access altogether.

Babaganoosh · 12-19-2008, 11:27 AM

What isn't good about that? Suing thieves and those facilitating theft has clearly failed. I'd say this has a much better chance of success.

Fletch XXX · 12-19-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

Finally, the ISP may cut off their access altogether.

I dont think the RIAA or ISps know how pirates trade music these days.

I wont spill the beans, but no one will ever stop it.

You and I with aid of search engines can basically find full length rips of any album you want within seconds of finding an album you want on Amazon.

I tested this out recently and browsed Amazon for 5 new albums I wanted.

I was able to download them in 300+ bitrates in under 10 mins.

PS paypal is the company doing the processing for the pirates and I can average 2 gigs of music in a day with no porblem, full length albums with no torrent, perople have no clue i think

Babaganoosh · 12-19-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

I dont think the RIAA or ISps know how pirates trade music these days.

I wont spill the beans, but no one will ever stop it.

You and I with aid of search engines can basically find full length rips of any album you want within seconds of finding an album you want on Amazon.

I tested this out recently and browsed Amazon for 5 new albums I wanted.

I was able to download them in 300+ bitrates in under 10 mins.

PS paypal is the company doing the processing for the pirates and I can average 2 gigs of music in a day with no porblem, full length albums with no torrent, perople have no clue i think

Don't ever call candyrip a thief again, hypocrite.

Fletch XXX · 12-19-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Don't ever call candyrip a thief again, hypocrite.

incorrect, I do not rip, steal, profit from the trading of music, make it available or definitely do not resell it.

I like to understand the threats facing "content" and if you do not, then youll never know how to sidestep them.

What Candyflip did was to steal my galleries and RESELL them, selling them to clients and pocketing money. Do not compare the two, big difference.

back to tpic: I was proving to a friend that anything on amazon, I could find for him for free... didnt believe so I showed him.

And in doing so, I educated myself to the amount of theft occuring online. I assure you I deleted the Slipnot afterwards LOL i dont even listen to it... (deleted)

CyberHustler · 12-19-2008, 11:38 AM

Word, 'cause stopping theft is a sin.

Fletch XXX · 12-19-2008, 11:49 AM

the reason I posted what I said above was to highlight how silly it is to go after "teenagers trading music online" when its the big dawgs (paypal and the hosts hosting the material) who make the cheese from it, not some guy in his room downloading a metallica song.

every album you could ever want is a click away

http://rapidshare.com/premium.html

And guess who does the processing?

As someone who is "hip" to the new ways, when I read these threads and news articles, I ask myself if they even know how music is traded,...

people who think torrents are the medium are stuck in the 90s lol

andy83 · 12-19-2008, 01:38 PM

so true. any shit you want is available on rapidshit and for less than a buck a day you can download till your hdds are maxed. (you can even do it for free, just need to be smarter)

and everytime i see them trying to sue the teenager for "file-sharing" i just LOL inside.
really dumb people we have, controlling our music industry

Fletch XXX · 12-19-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by andy83

so true. any shit you want is available on rapidshit and for less than a buck a day you can download till your hdds are maxed. (you can even do it for free, just need to be smarter)

and everytime i see them trying to sue the teenager for "file-sharing" i just LOL inside.
really dumb people we have, controlling our music industry

right which is the same reason I laugh in these threads to.

its like watching cops talk about pot dealers being weird guys in vans that drive by schools, anyone who knows real drug dealers knows this is stereotype crap and not accurate at all.

Fact is, the REAL people making money behind stolen music/programs/member section trading is people like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Schmitz

He is the guy who owns *ding ding* Megaupload, another HUGE upload file trading network and no matter how many teens get sued by RIAA, what does that have to do with the guys registering companies to Hong Kong and actually profiting from the files?

Nah, its more effective to sue dead people and 13 year olds who wanted to download a Nelly song because it aint worth buying lol

d-null · 12-19-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

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Nah, its more effective to sue dead people and 13 year olds who wanted to download a Nelly song because it aint worth buying lol

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you might be right that morally the thieves that are profiting deserve to be punished

but I think it may be more effective to sue 13 year olds downloaing Nelly, because if you see a bunch of end users start to go down, the ripple effect of people not wanting to take a chance ripping a song off of the net (or porn...) would be HUGE

Fletch XXX · 12-19-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null

but I think it may be more effective to sue 13 year olds downloaing Nelly, because if you see a bunch of end users start to go down,

well juding from the article this thread is about, that may not be the case....

you saying that because that 13 year old girl was sued, LESS people are trading today?

I promise you, traders are trading more porn/music than ever before, today and tomorrow...

d-null · 12-19-2008, 01:59 PM

I think that yes, less people are trading than would be....

alot of parents that heard about cases like this have been enlightened and won't permit their kids to steal music and instead buy them itunes cards.... it did have an effect

they just didn't have the heart to do enough of it perhaps?

Fletch XXX · 12-19-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null

I think that yes, less people are trading than would be....

alot of parents that heard about cases like this have been enlightened and won't permit their kids to steal music and instead buy them itunes cards.... it did have an effect

they just didn't have the heart to do enough of it perhaps?

well, I dont have access to data to prove more or less are downloading but I know it hasnt stopped at all, and gigs and gigs are a click away.... But, in regards to "not doing it enough" according to article, they sued 35,000 people in 5 years,... (is that 19 lawsuits a day for 5 years?) some would say that is a fail.

Robbie · 12-19-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

I tested this out recently and browsed Amazon for 5 new albums I wanted.

I was able to download them in 300+ bitrates in under 10 mins.

You just described EXACTLY what people do to find porn online for free. They go to TGP's like mine, or to review sites, or to sites like freeones and they use us as "directories" and then they google it up on torrent and go download the whole site.

KILLING sales.

That's why we are all seeing these 0:5,000 type ratios

Fletch XXX · 12-19-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

You just described EXACTLY what people do to find porn online for free. They go to TGP's like mine, or to review sites, or to sites like freeones and they use us as "directories" and then they google it up on torrent and go download the whole site.

KILLING sales.

That's why we are all seeing these 0:5,000 type ratios

well I work with so much porn, to be honest ive never tried to "steal it" lol

i have member passes to at least 50 sites in a given month... but if you say that is what is being done I do not doubt it.

As I said, i know this is how its being done with music... you sample what you want on Amazon (they have mp3 sample clips) and if you want it, the album (not just songs) can be then be found and downloaded within minutes... and again, not talking torrents here, talking straight up .rar files...

CDSmith · 12-19-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

After years of suing thousands of people for allegedly stealing music via the Internet, the recording industry is set to drop its legal assault as it searches for more effective ways to combat online music piracy.

Only about 10 years after the fact, but better late than never I guess.

Music industry; not exactly the paragon of forward thinking.

Fletch XXX · 12-19-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

You just described EXACTLY what people do to find porn online for free. They go to TGP's like mine, or to review sites, or to sites like freeones and they use us as "directories" and then they google it up on torrent and go download the whole site.

KILLING sales.

That's why we are all seeing these 0:5,000 type ratios

I just did a few tests and yes, same methods of finding content yields full scene member videos for every big porn sites out there, and the girl names are even worse, meaning its easier to find the "tawnee stone"vids you want, or locate the "claudia marie" vid you want.,.. i was able to find ( i didnt actually download just clicked to make sure link was active) Tawnee Stone fuck scene 44 megs, assuming full length scene...

seeandsee · 12-19-2008, 02:39 PM

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Robbie · 12-19-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

I just did a few tests and yes, same methods of finding content yields full scene member videos for every big porn sites out there, and the girl names are even worse, meaning its easier to find the "tawnee stone"vids you want, or locate the "claudia marie" vid you want.,.. i was able to find ( i didnt actually download just clicked to make sure link was active) Tawnee Stone fuck scene 44 megs, assuming full length scene...

Yep, I first suspected it about a year and a half ago when I saw my affiliate sales from my tgps going sideways.

Then it hit me...for 10 years we were the way people found porn to BUY. Now we are the way they find porn to steal.

I just hope more sites will begin to protect their content so we can bring sales back up

12-19-2008, 11:23 AM	#1
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