IBILL keeping your money if you don't register? - GoFuckYourself.com

hitman699 · 10-24-2002, 08:44 AM

Ibill sent out this, And Ive asked about 5 times for the form with no reciept.

Dear iBill Client,

Last week you should have received your iBill-Visa registration
announcement. All clients are
required to complete this registration process by Visa and our acquirer.
Per the announcement,
registration is to be complete by Wednesday, October 23rd.

Failure to complete the registration
process will result in your account being placed on do not pay.

------------------------------

Basically the way I read that is IBILL is keeping your money as a reserve if you don't sign up with VISA. Anyone have any info you would like to share? Am I wrong?

quiet · 10-24-2002, 08:47 AM

that's not what i've heard. i've been told that if i did not want to continue processing with ibill past Nov 15th, that I will still be paid for all signups and recurs up to Nov 15th. and that my reserve would be paid out as usual past that date.

Master_Yoba · 10-24-2002, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet
that's not what i've heard. i've been told that if i did not want to continue processing with ibill past Nov 15th, that I will still be paid for all signups and recurs up to Nov 15th. and that my reserve would be paid out as usual past that date.

I hope..

foe · 10-24-2002, 09:53 AM

How many people are switching away from Ibill?

markusborger · 10-24-2002, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Master_Yoba

I hope..

Continue hoping.... All the BEAST PAY-SITES OWERS have been screwed up by IBILL, CCBILL and PAYPAL... 6 months ago when VISA stopped processing for beast sites

Pending money, Rebills and Holdbacks.... all GONE to their personal accounts

I guess they needed our money to pay the school of their kids

uptowno · 10-24-2002, 01:13 PM

i got that same shit i only use them for shopping cart does anyone have an alternative to this soluction.

beside a smart ass pay $750 i paid one $750

Shoplifter · 10-24-2002, 02:17 PM

Zak · 10-24-2002, 02:49 PM

CCbill has claimed they will continue to pay for everything processed up to the November 15th deadline - irregardless of the clients decision to register with them or not.

IBill should do the same or they should go out of business.

These are rough times for many webmasters and the IPSPS. The IPSPS are going to be fighting for our business since it will be a $1750 decision the webmaster makes when deciding who gets to process their VISA & Mastercard transactions.

It doesn't seem like the best time to steal the last couple payments from your clients.

Someone get an Ibill Rep on here to comment?

vegasdude · 10-24-2002, 02:52 PM

gfy rule number 999:

trust no1 - and 23% said by the 3 stooges is BS!

Zak · 10-24-2002, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zak

IBill should do the same or they should go out of business.

Yep. It's in the IBill news of the CMI:

VISA Regulations

Dear iBill Client:

Last week you should have received your iBill-Visa registration announcement. All clients are required to complete this registration process by Visa and our acquirer. Per the announcement, registration is to be complete by Wednesday, October 23rd. Failure to complete the registration process will result in your account being placed on do not pay.

If for some reason you have been unable to access your registration form, please contact your iBill account manager, email our client service team at [email protected] or call us at 866.424.5557 (US)/ 954-363-4931 (International).

We appreciate your time and effort in completing the registration form.

Thank You.

The iBill Team

I guess they are going to steal the last couple payments.

Kimmykim · 10-24-2002, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by markusborger

Continue hoping.... All the BEAST PAY-SITES OWERS have been screwed up by IBILL, CCBILL and PAYPAL... 6 months ago when VISA stopped processing for beast sites

At least one of those companies paid off any money left after cbs, credits, and refunds already. You guys must get the mail slow down under.

directfiesta · 10-24-2002, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by uptowno
i got that same shit i only use them for shopping cart does anyone have an alternative to this soluction.

beside a smart ass pay $750 i paid one $750

For hardgoods sales, you do not have to register, or pay etc...

So use Ibill at 15% or Paypal at 3-4%???

I actually use Paypal on one site and another processor located in Canada that made an"exception" since they normally do not take adult.

In case a smart ass questions the above, here is an email from the great Ibill cie:

Quote of message

Pierre,
I can understand that you are not happy with all of the new visa regulations,
let me assure you that this is not pertaining to the catalog that you are
offering your clients. There is no charge for tangible items that are going to
be billed and shipped on the internet. If you are going abroad, where are you
going? We have relationships everywhere and can assist you in setting up an
account. Let me ask you this, do you have an address in the European Union that
you can use as your company address?? If so then we can bill for you. Do you
have an address in the US? We can bill for you. If you have neither, we can
bill for you. If you would like to set up with us for your subscription site
with us I would be more than willing to see that through personally.....If you
want to set you catalog up, I would do the same.....All of the items I
mentioned to you about, will cost you nothing! Let me help you..............if
you are still not happy with what I have described to you, please ignore this
email and I am sorry for bothering you. I wish you luck and much success in all
your business ventures!

Cheers!
-Dan

======\

BTW and FYI, I told them to make a big ball with all their bice words and shove it as deep as they could up their ass.....

Shark · 10-24-2002, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta

We have relationships everywhere and can assist you in setting up an account. Let me ask you this, do you have an address in the European Union that you can use as your company address?? If so then we can bill for you. Do you have an address in the US? We can bill for you. If you have neither, we can bill for you

What the fuck did he just say ?
Looks like they can bill for you wherever you are....
Ibill paying you though, wherever you are, thats another thing entirely...

PornoBug · 10-24-2002, 11:39 PM

We spoke to our lawyers today. If iBill fail to pay us for the October period then we shall be commencing action against them in the US.

iBill would be playing a very dangerous game if they decided to unlawfully withold payment from any client. Our advice is that if they did not pay, and the client suffered loss as a result of their failure to pay (ie: web hosting disconnected or inability to meet commitments due to reliance on such payments), then they would also be liable for damages in excess of the amount owed.

Interesting times indeed.

pentae · 10-24-2002, 11:52 PM

This is what I will do if IBILL dick me:

Step 1. Get your final payment.

Step 2. Go into your merchant account, and manually refund every member. Then go to your .htaccess logs, delete them all.

Step 3. Spam all your old members with "www.ibillcs.com has been stealing 39.95 every month from your bank account.. simply call your bank, tell them these charges are unauthorized, and let them do the rest."

Aussie Rebel · 10-24-2002, 11:59 PM

I just got the same email from IBILL and I dont even own a paysite, Do affiliates have to register aswell?

DemonWolfe · 10-25-2002, 12:10 AM

I just got this letter in my email to one of my TGP's.

I don't use them to process anything (sure they email me telling me that I need to switch to them).

So why send this email out to affilates?

They can't seriously expect affilates to pay Visa fees for every sponsor they promote?

If so, no one will be promoting Ibill sponsors much longer.

d00t · 10-25-2002, 08:29 AM

heres an interesting twist...

I have a merchant a/c through authorize.net that handles all my non-adult activities .. i got the visa/mastercard email yesterday saying if a US presence is not established they would can my merchant a/c

fuck you visa

corvette · 10-25-2002, 09:23 AM

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...markusb orger

Quote:

Originally posted by markusborger
the answer is..... you will not see your money....

all the webmasters we know including ourselfs didn´t got a single penny from the 3 STOOGES after they closed processing on beast related sites after the 1st VISA rulling....

they told us... that they would holdback our money for more than 6 months.... 7 months passed since that march/2002 VISA rulling.... and no one has received a single penny

Quote:

Originally posted by corvett
markusborger, send me an email with your account number and I will get your account looked at

markusborger, i have been waiting for your email for a week now. If you had not gotten your funds, it is in your best interest to email me---------> [email protected]

brutus · 10-25-2002, 09:30 AM

Got same email.

"Do affiliates have to register aswell?"

Can't be true ...or?

It would be really nice to get the answer.

Zak · 10-25-2002, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by corvett
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...markusb orger

markusborger, i have been waiting for your email for a week now. If you had not gotten your funds, it is in your best interest to email me---------> [email protected]

Corvett,

Markusborger obviously fell under the group of flagged beasty accounts that CCbill did not pay, rather than the group of flagged beasty accounts < $x that CCbill did continue to pay (damage control).

corvette · 11-12-2002, 08:28 AM

markusborger · 11-12-2002, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zak

Corvett,

Markusborger obviously fell under the group of flagged beasty accounts that CCbill did not pay, rather than the group of flagged beasty accounts < $x that CCbill did continue to pay (damage control).

hahaha..... for what we know.... even Hans Berger accounts were flagged to not pay

WendyB · 11-12-2002, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by d00t
heres an interesting twist...

I have a merchant a/c through authorize.net that handles all my non-adult activities .. i got the visa/mastercard email yesterday saying if a US presence is not established they would can my merchant a/c

fuck you visa

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I will put you in touch with the legal firm that put my corporate package together.

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10-24-2002, 08:44 AM	#1
hitman699 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 159	IBILL keeping your money if you don't register? Ibill sent out this, And Ive asked about 5 times for the form with no reciept. Dear iBill Client, Last week you should have received your iBill-Visa registration announcement. All clients are required to complete this registration process by Visa and our acquirer. Per the announcement, registration is to be complete by Wednesday, October 23rd. Failure to complete the registration process will result in your account being placed on do not pay. ------------------------------ Basically the way I read that is IBILL is keeping your money as a reserve if you don't sign up with VISA. Anyone have any info you would like to share? Am I wrong?

10-24-2002, 02:17 PM	#7
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,727	... Last edited by Shoplifter; 10-24-2002 at 02:36 PM..

10-24-2002, 02:49 PM	#8
Zak So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 30	CCbill has claimed they will continue to pay for everything processed up to the November 15th deadline - irregardless of the clients decision to register with them or not. IBill should do the same or they should go out of business. These are rough times for many webmasters and the IPSPS. The IPSPS are going to be fighting for our business since it will be a $1750 decision the webmaster makes when deciding who gets to process their VISA & Mastercard transactions. It doesn't seem like the best time to steal the last couple payments from your clients. Someone get an Ibill Rep on here to comment? Last edited by Zak; 10-24-2002 at 02:52 PM..

10-24-2002, 02:52 PM	#9
vegasdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Royal Family Crew Posts: 3,649	gfy rule number 999: trust no1 - and 23% said by the 3 stooges is BS! __________________ Did you fucking talk to me??! Who the fuck told you to talk to me??!"

10-25-2002, 12:10 AM	#17
DemonWolfe Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: World Traveler Posts: 261	I just got this letter in my email to one of my TGP's. I don't use them to process anything (sure they email me telling me that I need to switch to them). So why send this email out to affilates? They can't seriously expect affilates to pay Visa fees for every sponsor they promote? If so, no one will be promoting Ibill sponsors much longer. __________________ Sorry, no signature today. Please come back tomorrow.

10-24-2002, 08:47 AM	#2
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	that's not what i've heard. i've been told that if i did not want to continue processing with ibill past Nov 15th, that I will still be paid for all signups and recurs up to Nov 15th. and that my reserve would be paid out as usual past that date.

10-24-2002, 09:53 AM	#4
foe Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: CT Posts: 5,246	How many people are switching away from Ibill?

10-24-2002, 01:13 PM	#6
uptowno owner Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: dc Posts: 165	i got that same shit i only use them for shopping cart does anyone have an alternative to this soluction. beside a smart ass pay $750 i paid one $750

10-24-2002, 11:39 PM	#14
PornoBug Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 237	We spoke to our lawyers today. If iBill fail to pay us for the October period then we shall be commencing action against them in the US. iBill would be playing a very dangerous game if they decided to unlawfully withold payment from any client. Our advice is that if they did not pay, and the client suffered loss as a result of their failure to pay (ie: web hosting disconnected or inability to meet commitments due to reliance on such payments), then they would also be liable for damages in excess of the amount owed. Interesting times indeed.

10-24-2002, 11:52 PM	#15
pentae Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Inconceivable! Posts: 899	This is what I will do if IBILL dick me: Step 1. Get your final payment. Step 2. Go into your merchant account, and manually refund every member. Then go to your .htaccess logs, delete them all. Step 3. Spam all your old members with "www.ibillcs.com has been stealing 39.95 every month from your bank account.. simply call your bank, tell them these charges are unauthorized, and let them do the rest."

10-24-2002, 11:59 PM	#16
Aussie Rebel Blow Me U Geeks Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Maximum Security Posts: 5,108	I just got the same email from IBILL and I dont even own a paysite, Do affiliates have to register aswell?

10-25-2002, 08:29 AM	#18
d00t Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your mind Posts: 3,766	heres an interesting twist... I have a merchant a/c through authorize.net that handles all my non-adult activities .. i got the visa/mastercard email yesterday saying if a US presence is not established they would can my merchant a/c fuck you visa

10-25-2002, 09:30 AM	#20
brutus Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Living in the bottle. Posts: 590	Got same email. "Do affiliates have to register aswell?" Can't be true ...or? It would be really nice to get the answer.

11-12-2002, 08:28 AM	#22
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