Scott Rabinowitz - The Coming Shift Away From Affiliates - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

DamageX · 12-30-2008, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0

By making it internationally illegal to distribute hardcore pornography on the internet, without the surfer PROVING they are 18 years old....with a credit card.

Right, good fucking luck with that...

hjnet · 12-30-2008, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

webmasters or sponsors shouldnt buy traffic from free hardcore sites till they start censoring or not showing pussy. I bet sales would sky rocket.

someone has to force it. and sponsors shouldnt give away anymore hardcore content free

Well, that idea is nice, and I think everybody on GFY would agree that it would be better for our biz if we'd limit free porn somehow. But the Problem is that there's no way to enforce that wishful thinking....

hjnet · 12-30-2008, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard

...the get-rich-quick artists who chased those $100+ payouts will, indeed, go the way of the dinosaurs, if they don't change their methods.

Dinosaurs live on a tropical Island and spend their scammed money on hookers?

12clicks · 12-30-2008, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard

Until they start offering to buy adspace instead of soliciting me to join their programs, I don't see "the death of the affiliates" as a big worry.

uh.........what?

NikKay · 12-30-2008, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard

They don't WANT to cut out the middleman and keep all the profit; what they want is to shuffle all the risk off onto their affiliates, so they don't need to worry about ROI.

Quoted for truth.

They don't want to have to pay someone a salary to worry about the ROI. Or they can't afford to.

Minte · 12-30-2008, 08:11 AM

Most of the current program owners started as affiliates. If things change then I would see a lot more programs starting again. And the older established programs will have a new round of competitors to deal with.

tranza · 12-30-2008, 08:17 AM

This link isn't workin' here...

Forkbeard · 12-30-2008, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Most of the current program owners started as affiliates. If things change then I would see a lot more programs starting again.

This made me LOL in an agreeing sort of way. Just yesterday my girlfriend, frustrated with one of the programs we deal with, said to me "Honey, why don't we just move to San Francisco and hire some cute young models and make our own porn?"

We probably won't do it, not this year anyway. But it's crystal clear to me why successful affiliates evolve in that direction.

Paul Markham · 12-30-2008, 03:22 PM

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By making it internationally illegal to distribute hardcore pornography on the internet, without the surfer PROVING they are 18 years old....with a credit card.

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Right, good fucking luck with that...

How about this then.

The US passes a law that decrees if you have pictures or videos on your site that are illegal for an 18 year old to view they will block the site.

It won't need to be 100% because the threat of losing the US market will force most people to conform. It does not even need a program to enforce it, just a few guys sitting by a computer and Googling.

Will it work? Who will risk getting their site banned from the US market?

Will they pass it? Not in a thousand years.

Will it benefit the industry? Who knows.

Is it morally right that a 14 year old can't walk into a porn shop on Hollywood Blvd and can surf the Net and get all the porn he wants, or does not want?

pocketkangaroo · 12-30-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Most of the current program owners started as affiliates. If things change then I would see a lot more programs starting again. And the older established programs will have a new round of competitors to deal with.

Hasn't it been going the opposite direction though? It seemed like we went through a stage over the past few years with new programs popping up everyday. NATS and CCBill made it real easy for anyone with a couple grand to start a program. Now many of those programs have been selling to bigger ones. I mean hahaha bought about 15 over the past year and there have been a lot of other smaller ones that have sold or just folded up.

tony286 · 12-30-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How about this then.

The US passes a law that decrees if you have pictures or videos on your site that are illegal for an 18 year old to view they will block the site.

It won't need to be 100% because the threat of losing the US market will force most people to conform. It does not even need a program to enforce it, just a few guys sitting by a computer and Googling.

Will it work? Who will risk getting their site banned from the US market?

Will they pass it? Not in a thousand years.

Will it benefit the industry? Who knows.

Is it morally right that a 14 year old can't walk into a porn shop on Hollywood Blvd and can surf the Net and get all the porn he wants, or does not want?

a good post paul

except will they pass it ? not in 1000 yrs never say never. It wouldnt take much for a rally like that to start.

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D Ghost · 12-30-2008, 05:41 PM

thanks for the link...

Minte · 12-30-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Hasn't it been going the opposite direction though? It seemed like we went through a stage over the past few years with new programs popping up everyday. NATS and CCBill made it real easy for anyone with a couple grand to start a program. Now many of those programs have been selling to bigger ones. I mean hahaha bought about 15 over the past year and there have been a lot of other smaller ones that have sold or just folded up.

Only because larger affiliates have been doing ok. If the trend moves towards eliminating affiliates,I see larger site owners getting their own programs going. There aren't a lot of options other than closing up shop. And I can't see that happening. Any of the large site owners could easily finance their own programs if they wanted to. I think it will continue to be harder for the small guy or startups to make it.

TDF · 12-30-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by NikKay

Quoted for truth.

They don't want to have to pay someone a salary to worry about the ROI. Or they can't afford to.

i emailed you last week about buying some traffic

Paul Markham · 12-31-2008, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

a good post paul

except will they pass it ? not in 1000 yrs never say never. It wouldnt take much for a rally like that to start.

I did say they would not pass it in a thousand years. But it would not be that hard to do. I suspect in the future more people who are more Internet savvy will be looking at ways to control it. You can run your site as your country allows, just don't expect to run it to our citizens will be what some politicians look into.

As for affiliates and their long term participation in the business. This is my personal opinion of course.

They will stay but there will be people looking hard at what works and what's profitable in the next couple of years. 2009 and 2010 will be tough for all businesses and buyers will be more canny and less likely to get out their cards for another site offering the same as Tubes. So the "traffic" solution will slow down. People will be looking harder at how to convert more and keep them longer before they look at how to get more to the site.

Yes there will still be the guys who are convinced that it's about traffic, but they will simply spend themselves out of the business. Tubes are great at getting traffic, but what's the profit margin on them? Today they make a profit, tomorrow they might find the free surfers and people who have bought dating and cam site joins can't be supported by those who do spend money.

The guy who spends his money in any business is the king. The customer is always right. Be ready to realise replacing him with 100 more will not work as well as it did.

Let's face it, it has not worked better and better every year has it? Who has experienced better join ratios as his traffic went up? It has never been more important than it is today to convert more of the traffic we already have.

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