Vendot

OK so I ask him (my site designer) to build me a pure html site with no javascript, no php, no flash, no css and no bullshit. I like to keep things really simple and with minimum hassle and fast load times.

What does he do? He uses CSS on all the pages.

Is CSS a good thing? Does it slow loading times and does it cause compatibility issues on browsers? Can someone clear this one up for me because im just clueless and he's totally obsessed with using CSS on my pages.

sortie

Sounds like someone built you a good design and you are about to piss them off by
complaining.

CSS works and is standard and reccomended by most web people.

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sortie

And if CSS were to actually slow down your website then that would be a clear
sign that you are on a overloaded server.

No way should your site slow down.

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Sands

CSS is an excellent way to control the appearance of all the elements and items on a website. It should not encumber the site, and there may be cross-browser compatibility issues dependent upon what you're trying to do accomplish. However, a good designer will know how to create valid CSS and HTML so these cross-browser issues are compensated for, or avoided altogether.

StuartD

Sounds to me like you don't know what you're doing and should leave it up to your designer.

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mona

That is exactly what CSS does...It can significantly increase load times by decreasing the amount of code.

http://www.webweaver.nu/html-tips/load-time.shtml

TeenCat

html is oldschool, css is teaching at school now ... i can cut for you clean html in hour, my programmer cut css in three hours saying that css is needed for seo ... i am always making only simple html pages and i can be at the first page in 12 hours for millions keyword ... so, css is just new html, but you can hear also that html is shit and only assholes are using it ... just wanted to say ...

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munki

its like a blowjob... only from your rendered html, not a cute chick... and without the really great orgasm part, just streamlined updating and layout... yeah... so its kinda nothing like a blowjob, but its still pretty great

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Voodoo

You should have had him just do the whole thing in Perl.

QUOTE FOR TRUTH:
"because im just clueless"

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Snake Doctor

This is a webmaster board and you're asking what CSS is?

That's like someone going to a mechanic's board and asking what a V-8 is or an attorney's board and asking what due process is.

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Donfoolio

css is good. if you know nothing about any of it assuming to tell the guy how to do his job is the very definition of pomp. There is a BIG difference between defining parameters to work within and outright overstepping your own position as a boss.

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sortie

It's kind of hard to have a decent website with no html.
Even a 100% flash site is going to have an html page with the embed code.

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sortie

Sooooooo....you don't work on cars do ya?

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AaronM

If anybody reading this thread is interested in giving me a fair price on a CSS based MySpace profile, hit me up.

leek

I hate doing jobs for people like you. Hopefully you didn't complain too much, you might still be able to salvage a good designer.

PR_Sebas

Wow, you guys really tore this guy apart.

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Vendot

Actually, thats what i was hoping for........ up front, in your face. Thanks for the feedback guys.

I wanted to be sure before I complained about anything and it seems that my fears were completely unfounded. I'll let him continue with the CSS.

Supz

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CSS can help your site get indexed better. If there are way too many HTML tables embedded withon one another, it may make it difficult for SE bot to spider the content of the page thoroughly.

If you page doesn't get fully indexed or if SE bots don't follow all the links on the page, you may consider CSS instead of tables to make it easier on SE bots

SomeCreep

CSS is good, taste like banana.

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He's actually doing you a favor, stop complaining.

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HomerSimpson

css speeds up site loading, and simplifies the site code,
but sometimes css can be very complex for someone else to maintain or edit...
but in general it's a good thing...

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css is used with load times in mind. proper use of a stylesheet should speed up your load times, not slow them.

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I would try potter, he does them when hes not booked, hes a wiz at css



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mona

Yes, it can get complex, but I find that CSS saves time since the lion's share of one's design can be kept in one file, and come time to edit, one must only worry about one file as opposed to going through the entire site to edit

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css is the way to go

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AaronM

Potter and I have discussed this. I find that a grand is WAY out of line for what I am looking for.

potter

CSS is HTML.

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HorseShit

I find it funny he is questioning his designer lol

potter give AaronM a break

potter

That was the price for doing it while I was booked. I offered to do it a couple weeks ago at an hourly rate.

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potter

I offered

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stickyfingerz

Umm ya ok.. wow..

AaronM

I seem to recall something like that.

Not sure how you run your business but I know how I run mine. My rate doesn't change if I am busy or slow. My rate is my rate....I consider that the only fair way to do business.

My work is not worth any more during a slow week than it is during a busy week.

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Css is the devil

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Some good laughs here.

Some good advice too.

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potter

Your business is much different no? You have schedules with actual dates and times right? If someone needs you for something, you can say - I have next Tuesday available from X:00 to X:00.

My business is not like that. I have three projects right now that could last into February. With six more pending for January, February, and March. It was my impression you needed that myspace layout done asap. Which meant I would have had to bump back work on my projects at the time with value well higher than a quick myspace design. You can knock me all you want, but it's not going to accomplish anything.

It's like if you bring your car to a shop. They might be able to get to when they can at their normal rate. Or you could pay them a higher rate to bump yourself up the line and get it worked on right away. As I said, I was under the impression you were the latter.

Since this seems to be a misunderstanding. I'll make it real simple. If you want a design for a normal hourly rate.

• We can schedule one for the future when I have no projects in place. It would have to be for sometime in February or March.

• We can schedule one for me to work on as soon as I can, with no real completion date (probably something like 2-4 weeks). Meaning, I will work on your design in between my already scheduled projects. I might have two hours this week with no work, eight hours, or zero hours. I'll work on yours and complete it, however the current projects I have get priority each day.

• Or you can hire someone else.


... I run my company very tight. I don't just accept job after job and "hope" to get it all done. The organization is very precise. It keeps work consistent and on time.

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AaronM

Actually...You and I never discussed anything about the MySpace layout until the last thread that you mentioned. You spoke with somebody else who asked you for a rate on my behalf. There was never any discussion of me being in a hurry or anything like that. I wanted the design 6 months ago and still don't have it. I must not be in that big of a hurry....No?

I've never knocked you and I'm not doing so now. I'm simply telling it like it is.

I don't do anything based on an hourly rate. That's a great way to get fucked, especially by somebody who is working remotely.

potter

.. So then do you want to set something up? If you know exactly what you want it shouldn't be difficult to estimate the time involved and do a flat rate.

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Malicious Biz

A lot of people don't know this but potter was coded out of pure CSS in a government lab back in the 70's

baddog

I had to stop reading after the first few smug responses. In case no one has explained it yet, in a nutshell, CSS cuts back on the amount of code (html) required on your page. Not only should it increase your speed, but it lets the search engines see more of your text as it isn't spending all its time dwelling on your code.

potter

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Azlord

To go even further on what Baddog brings up, it's not only that the spiders are crawling your site faster that's a benefit, but a properly marked up page uses the code the way it's meant to be used and the spider will see that. For exampe, a h1 tag needs to be used accordingly. It's the top level heading tag. So you want your most important info to be in a h1 tag. I love seeing sites that will have the name of their site in a p tag but style it to be extra big and bold (like a h1 tag).

Use paragraph tags when marking up... you got it, paragraphs of text. Lists are used all over the place, you might not see it right away, but lists are everywhere... navigation is a really common list now.

As far as load times, well it's not a whole huge difference at first, and it won't be much faster if it's a one page site...like a gallery (some exceptions to the rule of course). But CSS gets cached. So if you use a single style sheet for a whole paysite tour, or members area, then once the CSS is loaded the first time, it doesn't have to load again. This makes going from page to page, in a well marked up page, faster.

Also, just because a page is marked up table-less-ly (is that a word?) doesn't mean it will cut down the code all that much. I see tons of pages where people just basically replace tables with divs and call it a day. That's not the best way to do it. And there is a time to use tables. They do have a proper use. It's just not for presentation.

Another fun thing is when people will mark up their pages table-less-ly but then not have a doc type, or use the wrong doc type, or not use valid html / css or all of the above. Why take the time to do all that work if your pages aren't valid?

Ok... I will end my rant here.