Stop sleeping on Newbies! (Warning To The "Old Timers")

[SeanLEE]

Stop sleeping on Newbies!

Newbies evolve- while you older cats in the game still foster the same ideas, use the same systems, ploys and tactics. Making money only to waste it with trying to impress one another, spending more money and energies on unoriginal marketing ploys, un investigated advertising campaigns, and trying prove who's the biggest at the trade show.

While the newbies are poking away at new technologies- thinking bigger- better, faster-stronger. (1-2 people in a room doing the job of an entire staff)

It doesnt take an army to get rich anymore- Just 1 skilled mother fucker with a dream and a plan.


Before you know it you "Old Timers" are left in the wind- perplexed at how your sites have gone down 80% with no chance of resuscitation.

You can only continue to rob, manipulate, and extort from the newbies and ones with less know how and experienc before they catch on, and flip it on you. Then your business model is fucked! Who are you going to sell your unoriginal concepts to? And all the while- while your falling nobody will lend you a hand because you've fucked them all.

(Sort of like the US)

"Laugh- ohh no not me- Ohh that will never happen to me"


This is a warning to all you "Old Timers" and guys with 1,000,000 post on GFY.

The newbies are on the rise!... and they arent asking your permission for that #1 spot.... they're taking it!

$300,000 later and still a newb
$SeanLEE$

[munki]

When has GFY as a community not harped on the newbs... it's how things get done around here...

[pixovore]

Wow, it smells like
1/ you got motivation
2/ you need recognition

[RayBonga]

nice rant, guess I could be one of the newbies

[Imortyl Pussycat]

wow, not what i thought this was gonna be when i came in. y'all have been warned

[RRRED]

Good post. I've always said, todays newbie could be tomorrows "whale".... Seen it over and over and over. Newbies are often the ones we can learn the most from.

[seeandsee]

i like newbies (virgins especially)

[Smut]

So, you poked away at this ground-breaking new technology?
http://xzye.com/

Interesting. I've never heard of an adult search engine. How does it work?

[Smut]

Oooh, and this one is pretty cool too:
http://www.adultlinkexchange.com

Link Exchange for adult sites! Woooah! I am flabbergasted by your genius! How can I learn to do these things? I am a newbie myself.

[notime]

ambition is a very good thing and so is respect

[John-ACWM]

Anyway, the read was good

[jollyperv]

I bet this guy owns a tube

[NicAngel]

Feel better now?

[Kiwigirl]

I was once told a long LONG time ago by an old wise guy to always be cautious at shows when talking to people and treat each individual as an equal because it is true that the new guy in town could be the next big thing. I personally don't care if your a huge company making millions or a single guy making a few bucks a month on the side....we all live and breath the same air and deserve the same opportunities. Best of luck to all newbies and congrats to all the old schoolers who have managed to last as long as they have. It's a big world out there.......I'm sure there is enough room for all of us who strive to be the best that we can be. Alright, I'm rambling now. LOL

[AaliyahLove]

Originally Posted by Kiwigirl

I was once told a long LONG time ago by an old wise guy to always be cautious at shows when talking to people and treat each individual as an equal because it is true that the new guy in town could be the next big thing. I personally don't care if your a huge company making millions or a single guy making a few bucks a month on the side....we all live and breath the same air and deserve the same opportunities. Best of luck to all newbies and congrats to all the old schoolers who have managed to last as long as they have. It's a big world out there.......I'm sure there is enough room for all of us who strive to be the best that we can be. Alright, I'm rambling now. LOL

wurd.

[Phoenix]

keep hustling man..and send me your traffic..lol

[CaptainHowdy]

See sig ...

[Darkland]

Ahhh but your arrogance blinds you to the truth... The success of a newbie is only gained from climbing on the backs of the "Old Timers" who have laid out all the ground work and formed the foundation, prior to that you were nursing your thumb while riding their coattails.

You didn't invent the wheel you merely upgraded it and if it hadn't been for the old timers you wouldn't even HAVE a wheel to play with. You should show more respect for the "old timers" who created the industry you enjoy success in.

And most newbies I have run into in the last year are only interested in stealing others work and making a buck off it. Specifically tube owners and Girlfriend site owners.

[Big Red Machine]

Reading this made me think of "ROcky" running up the steps in Philly

[Super Negro]

Originally Posted by Darkland

Ahhh but your arrogance blinds you to the truth... The success of a newbie is only gained from climbing on the backs of the "Old Timers" who have laid out all the ground work and formed the foundation, prior to that you were nursing your thumb while riding their coattails.

You didn't invent the wheel you merely upgraded it and if it hadn't been for the old timers you wouldn't even HAVE a wheel to play with. You should show more respect for the "old timers" who created the industry you enjoy success in.

And most newbies I have run into in the last year are only interested in stealing others work and making a buck off it. Specifically tube owners and Girlfriend site owners.

if it wasn't for the old timers and how they did business the industry would be a MUCH better state than it is now....so fuck them

well....most of them

[fujiko]

Originally Posted by Darkland

Ahhh but your arrogance blinds you to the truth... The success of a newbie is only gained from climbing on the backs of the "Old Timers" who have laid out all the ground work and formed the foundation, prior to that you were nursing your thumb while riding their coattails.

You didn't invent the wheel you merely upgraded it and if it hadn't been for the old timers you wouldn't even HAVE a wheel to play with. You should show more respect for the "old timers" who created the industry you enjoy success in.

And most newbies I have run into in the last year are only interested in stealing others work and making a buck off it. Specifically tube owners and Girlfriend site owners.

You must be kiddin.. What ground work have they laid.. Are u talking about all the free-shit swimming all over the web.. They should have organized this industry a longtime ago, when they made so much money... But nawww.. They are too focused on cutting out the competition, by starting larger tubes & attempting the shadiest practices ever.

Note: There are some good dudes out there.. But they are just too few.

[Darkland]

Originally Posted by Super Negro

if it wasn't for the old timers and how they did business the industry would be a MUCH better state than it is now....so fuck them

well....most of them

Don't you have some content you need to be stealing?

Originally Posted by fujiko

You must be kiddin.. What ground work have they laid.. Are u talking about all the free-shit swimming all over the web.. They should have organized this industry a longtime ago, when they made so much money... But nawww.. They are too focused on cutting out the competition, by starting larger tubes & attempting the shadiest practices ever.

Note: There are some good dudes out there.. But they are just too few.

Congrats, you're both fucking idiots... I am talking about the "old timers" that DID something for this industry BEFORE it started going down the shitter. Not sure how you're equating what I said to the entire playing field of the industry. I consider ONLY people who have been doing this awhile AND successful as old timers. I have been at this since 1998 and things were much different then, much BETTER.

These suppossed "old timers" YOU are refering to are actual noobs in my eyes and are the ones that started trashing our house. And from what I have seen the newbies of today aren't or haven't exactly been a boon or a godsend to the industry. The only thing they seem to succeed in doing is finding inventive new ways to scam the surfer or the content producers all the while attacking each other at will on message boards or the like. Not all the noobs but alot of them.

And as far as what ground work? Wake the fuck up... The old timers who champion our cause that allow us to do this for a living. For the people who started allowing us to process our businesses online through them and catered to our needs. All the old timers who set the bar or were willing to show what works and what doesn't, ie. experience.

There is not a single successful noob that didn't get help or advice from at least one old timer or someone else who did. I don't care how smart you are, you don't just say one day, "Hey, I think I will work in the Adult Internet Arena." And become a success without asking questions or reading a book that an "old timer" offered.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by pixovore

Wow, it smells like
1/ you got motivation
2/ you need recognition

That about sums it up.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Darkland

And most newbies I have run into in the last year are only interested in stealing others work and making a buck off it. Specifically tube owners and Girlfriend site owners.

Agreed.

Most I have come across are lazy, do not have the first clue about business, how the internet and surfers convert, and want all the short cuts the 'old timers' learned the long, hard, costly way.

Fuck em.

[HorseShit]

it was all too much for me to read

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by jdavis

it was all too much for me to read

+1

8char

[PXN]

Whatever.

[liqqwid]

so i take it most of you know the cavemen who etched pictures of naked people walls of caves....guess we're all riding they're coattails huh???

[Big Red Machine]

Originally Posted by liqqwid

so i take it most of you know the cavemen who etched pictures of naked people walls of caves....guess we're all riding they're coattails huh???

He was the original Picasso of Pussy ,and everyone copied since then
The only difference from the CavePerv to us now is Technology

[liqqwid]

Originally Posted by Big Red Machine

He was the original Picasso of Pussy ,and everyone copied since then
The only difference from the CavePerv to us now is Technology

true, true

[hypedough]

Everyone has to start as a newb, but eventually moves up as skills progress.

[lazycash]

If being a newbie means making a thread bitching about how sexsearch hasn't paid you your $60 from two years ago, then I think I'll stick to being an old timer.

[fujiko]

Originally Posted by Darkland

Congrats, you're both fucking idiots... I am talking about the "old timers" that DID something for this industry BEFORE it started going down the shitter. Not sure how you're equating what I said to the entire playing field of the industry. I consider ONLY people who have been doing this awhile AND successful as old timers. I have been at this since 1998 and things were much different then, much BETTER.

These suppossed "old timers" YOU are refering to are actual noobs in my eyes and are the ones that started trashing our house. And from what I have seen the newbies of today aren't or haven't exactly been a boon or a godsend to the industry. The only thing they seem to succeed in doing is finding inventive new ways to scam the surfer or the content producers all the while attacking each other at will on message boards or the like. Not all the noobs but alot of them.

And as far as what ground work? Wake the fuck up... The old timers who champion our cause that allow us to do this for a living. For the people who started allowing us to process our businesses online through them and catered to our needs. All the old timers who set the bar or were willing to show what works and what doesn't, ie. experience.

There is not a single successful noob that didn't get help or advice from at least one old timer or someone else who did. I don't care how smart you are, you don't just say one day, "Hey, I think I will work in the Adult Internet Arena." And become a success without asking questions or reading a book that an "old timer" offered.

Ok.. maybe i did go a little overboard by generalizing all old-timers.. but at least, I still stated that a few of them were good.

Overall, whether you like to admit it or not.. The people that layed the foundation didnt do a good job of protecting the future of the industry. They were all just grabbing what they could get.. Call it new found riches, they were young OR watever... But the milk is spilt.. No need to cry.
All im saying is that, those that made so much money in the beginning could have regulated the industry & directed it differently.. In this world, its mostly monkey see & monkey do. New people entering the industry would have simply followed them,.. just as they have followed the paysite-selling-model that we still use today.

Anyways.. Argue responsibly.. No need to call people names cos u disagree
Goodluck with ur biz... And no disrespect to all the oldtimers.. Just my own drop of opinion.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by fujiko

Ok.. maybe i did go a little overboard by generalizing all old-timers.. but at least, I still stated that a few of them were good.

Overall, whether you like to admit it or not.. The people that layed the foundation didnt do a good job of protecting the future of the industry. They were all just grabbing what they could get.. Call it new found riches, they were young OR watever... But the milk is spilt.. No need to cry.
All im saying is that, those that made so much money in the beginning could have regulated the industry & directed it differently.. In this world, its mostly monkey see & monkey do. New people entering the industry would have simply followed them,.. just as they have followed the paysite-selling-model that we still use today.

Anyways.. Argue responsibly.. No need to call people names cos u disagree
Goodluck with ur biz... And no disrespect to all the oldtimers.. Just my own drop of opinion.

How you enjoying the 20-20 hindsight visions there toots?

[Iron Fist]

We have evolved... and some of us will continue to, with or without your help.

[thaifan99]

Worst marketing ploy ever dude.

[doridori]

Originally Posted by SeanLEE

Stop sleeping on Newbies!

Newbies evolve- while you older cats in the game still foster the same ideas, use the same systems, ploys and tactics. Making money only to waste it with trying to impress one another, spending more money and energies on unoriginal marketing ploys, un investigated advertising campaigns, and trying prove who's the biggest at the trade show.

While the newbies are poking away at new technologies- thinking bigger- better, faster-stronger. (1-2 people in a room doing the job of an entire staff)

It doesnt take an army to get rich anymore- Just 1 skilled mother fucker with a dream and a plan.


Before you know it you "Old Timers" are left in the wind- perplexed at how your sites have gone down 80% with no chance of resuscitation.

You can only continue to rob, manipulate, and extort from the newbies and ones with less know how and experienc before they catch on, and flip it on you. Then your business model is fucked! Who are you going to sell your unoriginal concepts to? And all the while- while your falling nobody will lend you a hand because you've fucked them all.

(Sort of like the US)

"Laugh- ohh no not me- Ohh that will never happen to me"


This is a warning to all you "Old Timers" and guys with 1,000,000 post on GFY.

The newbies are on the rise!... and they arent asking your permission for that #1 spot.... they're taking it!

$300,000 later and still a newb
$SeanLEE$

after rereading gotta agree on some part but not all.

but in any industry, or line of work, the experience of incumbant players is quite an asset.....thats why you dont see 18 year olds running multi billion investment funds.....the experience is a crucial value.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

I haven't stuck around here this long to not bitch at people newer than me...

[tiger]

Respect your elders. (Not me, just something a wise man once told me.)

[tonyparra]

Im not lazy, not a thief, not stupid, i want money im still poor, im not crying ...fags

[director]

I do not often write on the board I usually just cruise around reading and watching how the industry is doing? I have been operating in this industry for a while now ( many years) LOL?Seen good times and bad! I seen the shit heads and the good people! Some I trust and some I would just simply piss on. The changes I have seen over the years is the days of free search engine submission gone, evolving to assholes selling each other junk traffic out of their frustration an inability to make sales? The rising cost of search ppc and other stuff?.What absolutely brings me to saying anything here on this topic is the fact we are all doing business in a competitive market place with a lot of new and old idiots.. ripping people off.

I remember when I first start off in this business some years ago. I did not know shit fuck all about marketing?.LOL?But I stay around?watching reading?even getting ripped off once or twice by a few jack ass older timers ( But this is not all of them ) There is a lot of good people out there small business -medium - larger!

But I have never lowered myself to the stupidity of dishonest practices nor labeled someone?one thing I was told years ago by mike south ? always be nice and respectful! I will also say one of the most honest people in this industry ( older timer to me) smile? porno Dan taught me that there is some people in this industry that are so honest?.you?d give them the shirt off your back!

So like in every business?on the Internet or in real life we need to check them out before doing business with them?.and understand just because someone seems to be helping you out?they may not be!

No one can blame the old timer or the new person or persons! If you want someone to blame?blame all the fuckers using unfair business tactic, pop ups, redirects, selling shit traffic claiming its good!, jack ass sign up to trade scripts and link list ?not sending traffic back and using hidden links and taking links down?all them jerks who think its smart to sell a person a pay site membership with only 5 movies in it and 2 pictures sets? and lets not forget them unscrupulous affiliate programs? that when you send hits to them they seem never to convert?. And shit software sales companies? Naw man you can not blame the old timers? You have to blame anyone that uses decietful tactics and sends spyware, and other junk that auto downloads onto a person computer? get ride of them fuckers and we all be better off!

So no we can not blame the older timers lots of good ones out there

Hm! I wonder why I am quiet usually LOL!

Anyways this my two cents worth! LOL

[Ron2k1]

Even thought the topic-starter is probably an idiot, he has a good point.

In the past year most of the old-timers have lost tons of traffic, only very few of them inovate. Most of them are just trying to survive as long as possible with their old dying business model

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Decided to check out your xzye.com site - truly impressive for a newbie...

From Alexa:

Xzye.com has a traffic rank of: 435,015

Speed: Very Slow (98% of sites are faster), Avg Load Time: 11.1 Seconds

How do you do it?

ADG

[hjnet]

I honestly don't care if someone is a newb or an "old timer" as long as he's responsible.....

[Super Negro]

Originally Posted by Darkland

Don't you have some content you need to be stealing?

post proof that I have stolen content or I will email the admins and inform them you are spreading baseless accusations about me on the board

Originally Posted by Darkland

Congrats, you're both fucking idiots... I am talking about the "old timers" that DID something for this industry BEFORE it started going down the shitter. Not sure how you're equating what I said to the entire playing field of the industry. I consider ONLY people who have been doing this awhile AND successful as old timers. I have been at this since 1998 and things were much different then, much BETTER.

the minute content producers and program owners started giving away endless hardcore content for promotion is the minute everything went downhill....and that was pretty early on in the whole scheme of things...so, are you referring to the people before that, that shaved clicks off the ppc payout schemes? or maybe guys like 12clicks and serge that just cancelled affiliates accounts before they were paid and claimed those people scammed them without proof?

SO MUCH led to the industry being the way it is today, and I can't find one old timer that didn't stand up and say STOP instead of joining in and contributing...if you can I would love to hear who it is

[SeanLEE]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Decided to check out your xzye.com site - truly impressive for a newbie...

From Alexa:

Xzye.com has a traffic rank of: 435,015

Speed: Very Slow (98% of sites are faster), Avg Load Time: 11.1 Seconds

How do you do it?

ADG

Figure out which one of my sites are doing these #'s (Ive got over 100 different sites)(How's that for a newbie)
(Fools!- underestimating their competition)

[Jarmusch]

Originally Posted by SeanLEE

Figure out which one of my sites are doing these #'s (Ive got over 100 different sites)(How's that for a newbie)
(Fools!- underestimating their competition)

500K visitors a day and you only burn 5-6GB a day? what the hell kinda site is that?

[million]

Originally Posted by Jarmusch

500K visitors a day and you only burn 5-6GB a day? what the hell kinda site is that?

I was thinking exactly the same. Does it have any image on it?

[SeanLEE]

Originally Posted by Jarmusch

500K visitors a day and you only burn 5-6GB a day? what the hell kinda site is that?

Off my site and on to the affiliates FAST!

LOL I love this business- by the time you figure out what this newbs been doing - Ill be light years ahead of you!

[james_clickmemedia]

Originally Posted by SeanLEE

Stop sleeping on Newbies!

Newbies evolve- while you older cats in the game still foster the same ideas, use the same systems, ploys and tactics. Making money only to waste it with trying to impress one another, spending more money and energies on unoriginal marketing ploys, un investigated advertising campaigns, and trying prove who's the biggest at the trade show.

While the newbies are poking away at new technologies- thinking bigger- better, faster-stronger. (1-2 people in a room doing the job of an entire staff)

It doesnt take an army to get rich anymore- Just 1 skilled mother fucker with a dream and a plan.


Before you know it you "Old Timers" are left in the wind- perplexed at how your sites have gone down 80% with no chance of resuscitation.

You can only continue to rob, manipulate, and extort from the newbies and ones with less know how and experienc before they catch on, and flip it on you. Then your business model is fucked! Who are you going to sell your unoriginal concepts to? And all the while- while your falling nobody will lend you a hand because you've fucked them all.

(Sort of like the US)

"Laugh- ohh no not me- Ohh that will never happen to me"


This is a warning to all you "Old Timers" and guys with 1,000,000 post on GFY.

The newbies are on the rise!... and they arent asking your permission for that #1 spot.... they're taking it!

$300,000 later and still a newb
$SeanLEE$

Some truth in what you are saying..