Picking Up Pornstars - a Field Guide!

[johnnysoporno]

This is a repost of something I've shared on many public forums which has helped an awful lot of guys not make total tools of themselves

Why would a guy WANT to sleep with a Porn Star?


I've been to bed with maybe a hundred professional pornstars in the last decade or so, non-commercially... and in EVERY CASE, the question as to whether-or-not to do so was weighed individually.

I'm a strong proponent of 'sexual professionalism' - but to be frank, eighty-plus percent of porn performers are simply 'too broken' for me to wish to engage in even playful sex with them...

If a girl is making porn for 'the right reasons' then I'm all over it!
But tragically, very few actually are....

The 'right reasons' are because she loves sex, loves being watched having sex, and gets off on BEING a Porn Star.


What about exposure to diseases?

I must say, the degree of sexual playfulness amongst pros is intense and amazing, and the comfort that everyone has a current (less than 30 days old) full-spectrum STD result PUBLISHED ONLINE (via aim-med.org) is incredibly liberating and confidence building!

The Adult Industry Medical centers are all linked-in to one-another, sharing test results to prevent outbreaks. The monthly HIV etc tests are not the 'ELIZA' style anti-body tests, but instead are EXTREMELY accurate PCR/DNA tests which provide results overnight, and can detect infection within DAYS of first exposure.


Because everyone in the business MUST have their STD status available for the producers and their co-stars, there is FANATICAL dedication to never taking a chance on losing the ability to work (which continues until they have two consecutive 'clean' test results) or having the stigma of being SO DISRESPECTFUL of your peers that you haven't considered THEIR CAREERS ALSO.

You can't catch an STD from someone who doesn't have one, even without condoms!


Also, though I am BY NO MEANS advocating reckless behavior, the odds against a man's contracting HIV through heterosexual sex EVEN IF THE WOMAN HAS AIDS, and you have intercourse (vaginal, oral, or anal) WITHOUT A CONDOM.... about 2000:1 against.

I'll say that once more:
FOR A MAN, THE CHANCE OF INFECTION IS 2000:1 AGAINST! (.05%) EVEN IF YOU HAVE NON-CONDOM SEX WITH A WOMAN WHO HAS AIDS.

Obviously, it approaches ZERO if you use condoms, even if your partner is infected!

And of course, your likelihood of infection drops to NONE if your partner doesn't have HIV/AIDS...

Check TABLE 1 (page 9) of this report from the Center for Disease Control for verification:
www cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/RR/RR5402.pdf


Why are Porn Stars different from any other hot girls in clubs?

Ok, you need to recognize that sexually-confident superhotties like premium Porn Stars are DIFFERENT from your 'typical 9+' types you might find out in clubland in that they accept their sexual-attractiveness as a given.

Normal 'Club Girls' are generally NOT self-confident, and usually have pretty low self-esteem. They are actually IN the club in the first place to get VALIDATION from guys because of their looks.

Even if they DESCRIBE themselves as models, or have a models' portfolio card (Z-card) to hand out, they most-likely haven't ever had the courage OR the look necessary to really BE a professional model... and since that has meant that they've taken jobs as hair salon receptionists, dental hygienists, veterinary assistance, or whatever... they desperately seek out mens' attention to re-affirm them of their desirability.

Contrarily, Porn Stars, Spokes-Models, Photo Models, and Exotic Dancers fall into the category of "PROFESSIONALLY BEAUTIFUL GIRLS" and tend to have a different attitude; they ALREADY have all the validation they need, based on their looks - so 'negging' [giving double-edged compliments] falls on deaf ears, as well as do banal compliments.

The hottest women you'll run into basically ANYWHERE will only really here about two things from your average guy: Either HOW BEAUTIFUL SHE IS, or HOW IMPRESSIVE HE IS!

With women like these, the only impressive quality which truly matters is demonstrating your own self-comfort, and through that, the acceptance of their beauty as merely a component of their "interestingness" to you.

You must NEVER appear star-struck, or overwhelmed by their hotness or beauty! It must be obvious to them that you are undaunted by their popularity, their fame, or their sex appeal.

You'll need to engage them in conversations about things WHICH INTEREST THEM - and the easiest and most certain way to do that is by DEMONSTRATING HAPPY CURIOSITY - in other words, being light and playful and INTERESTED IN WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY, encouraging them to keep describing the things which they wish to talk about through asking insightful and INTERESTED questions.
[This is true for MOST beautiful women, and most women and men in general, but amongst the top-tier of sexiness, they almost never get to talk about their own interests!]

Forget trying to come off as 'Cocky & Funny' here - instead, Playful & Confident wins the day!


Remember always: BE CURIOUS, accepting, and appreciative. The LONGER you keep them talking about the things THEY like to talk about (themselves, their interests, their thoughts and positions on things and people) the MORE ATTRACTIVE you'll become.

Look at Howard Stern, or any talk-show host - they are NOT nice to look at, BUT because they know how to keep someone talking about themselves, and they know how to LISTEN ATTENTIVELY AND ACTIVELY encouraging the speaker to continue speaking, they are COMPELLINGLY ATTRACTIVE.

You need to BE OKAY with their career choice: Respectful, yet not in-awe.

Demonstrate that you offer them 'non-judgmental acceptance' combined with sincere appreciation, and they will ADORE you for it.

(If you haven't come-to-comfort with the notion that women should be able to make their own decisions about with-whom and why they go to bed, or you are still caught-up believing a woman is 'a slut' or undesirable because she's INTO SEX, then please check out my Seductive Reasoning seminar, available for free from SeductiveReasoning.com)

Once they know they can open-up to you, and share their intimate emotional and cerebral aspects with you, they will rapidly transfer that sense of comfort and security into their carnal and visceral centers - and they will open-up other aspect of themselves


THINGS WHICH WILL HELP:

Porn Stars, Spokes-Models, photo-models are 'WITH' agencies, they don't work FOR the agency - and actually, the agency is supposed to be working FOR THEM (which is why THEY pay the agent!) so you might ask "What agency are you with?"

For the most-part, MOST girls have worked with at least a couple of them if they have been in 'The Industry' for more than a couple of months... This makes for GOOD CONVERSATIONS!

Each Agency is known by the first-name of the owner/operator...

"Oh, you work with Derek?" "Is Joel the first agent you've worked with?" "How do you get along with September?" "Did you work with Kevin back when he was with Derek?" -


The Agencies are VERY incestuous and competitive... so it's fun to pick up on the gossip. Most of the people working at the agencies themselves have worked in other aspects of The Industry, and often for competing agents!

(For EXTRA industry gossip, visit lukeisback.com or LukeFord.com, but BE CAUTIOUS, a lot of Talent don't keep tabs on these tabloid-sites, and some people will get plenty mad at you for telling unpleasant them things about people they like!)

Every girl will have something positive to say about her current agency, and something negative (usually many things!) to say about her previous one(s)...

Other good non-contentious subjects:

"Have you shot any fun scenes lately?"
"Has the economy slowed you down much?"
"Who's your favorite Male-Talent you've worked with so far?" ("Talent" is used in place of 'actor/actress/performer') A follow up might be "Cool! Is there anyone you've really wanted to work with, but haven't yet?" and follow THAT with "Ok, what is it about SoandSo that gets you so hot?"...

"Have you had to put anyone/many people on your "No!" list yet?" (a No! list is the guys she won't work with, which the agents all respect)

"Do you prefer shooting Gonzo, or do you like features too?" (Gonzo is sex-only, no real storyline, no need for scripts - "features" are much higher production-value shoots, might require SOME acting - but take 3-5 hours longer for no extra pay!)

These topics will give you a appearance of knowing something about the production-side of things.... if they ask how you know, just tell 'em you're a friend of mine

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy - Porn Czar

P.S. I'll update this whenever I think of anything else to add!

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

ADG

[Iron Fist]

I'll have to try this out at the strip club...i'll let you all know if I get banned.

[latinasojourn]

[QUOTE=johnnysoporno;15271869]

What about exposure to diseases?


genital herpes is one of the occupational hazards of women in
the porn biz, and usually they don't know they have it.

not a death sentence but not a trivial affliction either.

if you bone plenty of sex workers you will probably pick it up.

[Nicky]

I was here, now I'm off to fuck the nearest pornstar

[johnnysoporno]

[QUOTE=latinasojourn;15272408]

Originally Posted by johnnysoporno

What about exposure to diseases?


genital herpes is one of the occupational hazards of women in
the porn biz, and usually they don't know they have it.

It's true, most pornstars contract it - but Valtrex taken orally every day for about 6 months pretty much eliminates outbreaks, usually permanently.

And GUYS can avoid it through aggressively washing their equipment thoroughly after every encounter with hot water and soap (so none of the infected cells have long-enough to penetrate the skin)

Also works for preventing HPV and other nasties - I strongly recommend serious hygienic bathing of everything between your navel and your knees AT LEAST, immediately after getting busy.

Johnny Soporno
PickingUpPornstars.com

[d-null]

it would take longer to read all that then would be worth just spending the $250 on a PSE with a hot French girl in Montreal

[Bama]

Picking Up Pornstars..

Can't you just tie a $20 bill to string and lure them on all 4's right to you?

[After Shock Media]

Is there some new player thing working its way around the country right now?
I have seen a few "tips" threads pop up lately where people seem to act like they have the ultimate method and want to share it with the no so cool kids.

[spacedog]

I wanna fuck Tiffany Preston

[mynameisjim]

Out of curiosity, if you contacted a Porn Star's manager and just offered their going rate, maybe a bit more, couldn't you just have sex with them? No cameras, just sort of an escort thing?

[d-null]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Is there some new player thing working its way around the country right now?
I have seen a few "tips" threads pop up lately where people seem to act like they have the ultimate method and want to share it with the no so cool kids.

there are e-books all over the place that are pirated so anyone could take that and rewrite/repackage and sell it themselves I guess

here is just a small example of the phenomenon, the deangelo guy has been selling the "tips" for years:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...rrent&aq=f&oq=

[johnnysoporno]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

Out of curiosity, if you contacted a Porn Star's manager and just offered their going rate, maybe a bit more, couldn't you just have sex with them? No cameras, just sort of an escort thing?

Well, that would depend on the performer, her manager, and their locale.

In California (and most of the US) in order for a Porn Star not to be considered to be performing 'acts of prostitution' in her videos, she must be recognized as a 'performance artist', EXCLUSIVELY working with OTHER 'performance artists' to generate a product for distribution to an appreciative audience.

One of the main litmus-tests is that ALL PERFORMERS MUST BE PAID, otherwise it is not considered legitimate, and could wind all the participants in jail.


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For myself, paying ANYBODY to have sex with me never made any sense, (be it a professional escort, a girlfriend, or a wife!) since I considered myself to be entertaining-enough in bed that I was giving as well as I was getting, so to speak...

Most guys accept the idea that sex which DOES NOT COST THEM ANYTHING must be somehow worthless - because they've fallen-prey to the 'Sexual Cartel' which society has been enforcing since time immemorial...

You see, society divides women into two categories:

The first category are women who do what they wish, for their own reasons, to suit themselves are uniformly decried as unworthy, despicable, loathsome creatures. We say of them "They have NO SELF-RESPECT! They give themselves away for NOTHING!" - and we brand them as "Sluts."

The other category are women who have self-respect, who would never dream of giving themselves away for nothing: They always CHARGE FOR IT.

What do we call women who charge for it? WHORES.

But wait, there are two CLASSES of whores: Low Status and High Status.

Low Status Whores understand that so long as they put out, they bring in... Whether they bring in CASH, jewelery, meals, cocaine, booze, furs, trips, rent, a better job, back-stage passes, the promise of love, day-care, misc. assistance, whatever....

We affectionately call such women "Ho's".


High Status [aka Contract] Whores instead express that they are SO HIGH VALUE, so expensive, that they can make a CONTRACT with their client - they will agree (publicly at least!) not to make their sexual services available to anyone else, in exchange for a LIFETIME of economic support for herself, and her offspring.

We refer to an upper-class "Contract Whore" by a nasty four-letter word: WIFE

So WHY ON EARTH are men STUPID ENOUGH to CHOOSE WOMEN WHO MAKE THEM PAY FOR SEX, instead of women who choose to have sex with them because they want to?

Because MEN NEED TO BELIEVE THEIR KIDS ARE THEIR OWN FLESH AND BLOOD - and every father looks at his child and thinks "Well, he MUST be mind, 'cuz his mother is a "Good Girl" and made me take her out on four expensive dates before she put-out...."

This is of course INSANITY, but it's been effective in ensuring that women are PUNISHED for making up their own minds, and mistreated universally for doing things which suit themselves. If MEN were told "If you go to bed with anyone you choose, YOU HAVE NO SELF-RESPECT" we'd laugh our asses off! But we expect women to believe this and buy-into it.

Bizarre.

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

[Shaze]

sir fuck a lot!

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by johnnysoporno

WANT


EVERY CASE

BEING

PUBLISHED ONLINE

EXTREMELY

DAYS

MUST

FANATICAL

SO DISRESPECTFUL

THEIR CAREERS ALSO.

BY NO MEANS

EVEN IF THE WOMAN HAS AIDS

WITHOUT A CONDOM

FOR A MAN, THE CHANCE OF INFECTION IS 2000:1 AGAINST! (.05%) EVEN IF YOU HAVE NON-CONDOM SEX WITH A WOMAN WHO HAS AIDS.

ZERO

NONE

DIFFERENT

VALIDATION

DESCRIBE

PROFESSIONALLY BEAUTIFUL GIRLS

HOW BEAUTIFUL SHE IS

HOW IMPRESSIVE HE IS!

NEVER

WHICH INTEREST THEM

DEMONSTRATING HAPPY CURIOSITY

INTERESTED IN WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY

BE CURIOUS.

LONGER

MORE ATTRACTIVE

LISTEN ATTENTIVELY AND ACTIVELY

COMPELLINGLY ATTRACTIVE.

THINGS WHICH WILL HELP:

GOOD CONVERSATIONS!

ALL PERFORMERS MUST BE PAID

DOES NOT COST THEM ANYTHING

NO SELF-RESPECT!

CHARGE FOR IT.

WHORES.

SO HIGH VALUE

CONTRACT

LIFETIME[/I].

WIFE

WHY ON EARTH

STUPID ENOUGH

CHOOSE WOMEN WHO MAKE THEM PAY FOR SEX

MEN NEED TO BELIEVE THEIR KIDS ARE THEIR OWN FLESH AND BLOOD

INSANITY

PUNISHED

YOU HAVE NO SELF-RESPECT

CARRY ON!!!

adg

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

Out of curiosity, if you contacted a Porn Star's manager and just offered their going rate, maybe a bit more, couldn't you just have sex with them? No cameras, just sort of an escort thing?

always best to have a test, a release, a camera and a client $.02

[johnnysoporno]

adg, according to your message, YOU ONLY SEE THINGS IN CAPS, but nothing else.

Shame, really - because the capitalized things were explicitly capitalized for emphasis. If you didn't read the other words, you've entirely missed the meanings in the messages.

Johnny

[hypedough]

This can't be real. I can't believe Scott the Engineer is posting on GFY!