The reason I don't go mainstream. - GoFuckYourself.com

sortie · 01-05-2009, 11:10 AM

Very simple :

I have never been able to decide how to make money that way.

I thought about pay per click/adsense and I just don't see the money there without
goo-gobs of traffic, which I don't have.

I haven't seen products that I think I can sell.

Adult is easy, just join sponsors and send traffic.

I know some people are doing it and making big bank, but it's one of those
things where some can do it and others can/will not.

OR....maybe I just like porn.

polish_aristocrat · 01-05-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sortie

adult is easy, just join sponsors and send traffic.

96ukssob · 01-05-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by sortie

Very simple :

I have never been able to decide how to make money that way.

I thought about pay per click/adsense and I just don't see the money there without
goo-gobs of traffic, which I don't have.

I haven't seen products that I think I can sell.

Adult is easy, just join sponsors and send traffic.

I know some people are doing it and making big bank, but it's one of those
things where some can do it and others can/will not.

OR....maybe I just like porn.

ive been involved with both, and hands down adult is MUCH more enjoyable

not just because i get to look at boobies all day, but people are much nicer as well

JamesK · 01-05-2009, 11:54 AM

Mainstream is great. It just takes more brain to be successful

BradM · 01-05-2009, 11:55 AM

Because you're untalented, angry, idiotic and can't program? I'm guessing that is why.

crockett · 01-05-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Because you're untalented, angry, idiotic and can't program? I'm guessing that is why.

Jesus, would you girls go take your arguments to a private forum or something. It's tiring seeing the little group of you girls bickering at each other like a bunch of high school tawts, non stop in every other topic.

woj · 01-05-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesK

Mainstream is great. It just takes more brain to be successful

but I'm not really sure it takes more brain, it's just a bit different... the mainstream market is 100x bigger than adult, so there are way more opportunities to make a buck there, so in a way it's actually easier...

marketsmart · 01-05-2009, 12:11 PM

mainstream rules, but it is def a lot more work....

sortie · 01-05-2009, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Jesus, would you girls go take your arguments to a private forum or something. It's tiring seeing the little group of you girls bickering at each other like a bunch of high school tawts, non stop in every other topic.

Hey, I'm not in it anymore.

I agree.

JamesK · 01-05-2009, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

but I'm not really sure it takes more brain, it's just a bit different... the mainstream market is 100x bigger than adult, so there are way more opportunities to make a buck there, so in a way it's actually easier...

Well looking at GFY for example I think it's fair to conclude most of the people in adult business are either completely braindead or mentally challenged.

WiredGuy · 01-05-2009, 12:25 PM

Its completely different mainstream and adult marketing, but there's definitely a lot more money to be made in mainstream.
WG

sortie · 01-05-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Its completely different mainstream and adult marketing, but there's definitely a lot more money to be made in mainstream.
WG

With adult I never have to worry about content and that is probably what
keeps me doing adult.

Donfoolio · 01-05-2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

With adult I never have to worry about content and that is probably what
keeps me doing adult.

Nothing wrong with diversification sometimes. Especially if you have mastered what you do now and have more time on your hands.

seven · 01-05-2009, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Donfoolio

Nothing wrong with diversification sometimes. Especially if you have mastered what you do now and have more time on your hands.

agreed

Europeeing Lee · 01-05-2009, 12:41 PM

the ONLY reason you haven't done anything in mainstream is because you are an idiot who doesn't know any better, and just wants to make new threads on a surfmaster board to see if people click his siggy some more

people EVOLVE from adult into mainstream, it isn't a fucking choice, once you learn enough and get more business sense, you have no choice but to expand outward beyond porn

wyldblyss · 01-05-2009, 12:52 PM

I am a big believer in as much income as possible coming in from as many sources as possible so for me, I dabble in mainstream too (where I started).

Never hurts to have a backup just in case

germ · 01-05-2009, 02:21 PM

If you know how to push traffic to websites, it shouldnt really matter what's on those websites.

Promote whatever makes the most money.

Jdoughs · 01-05-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by germ

If you know how to push traffic to websites, it shouldnt really matter what's on those websites.

Promote whatever makes the most money.

Exactly, my grandmother used to say:

"A good salesmen will never be out of a job, it don't matter what they are selling if they are a good salesmen."

Completely relevant in our business.

tony286 · 01-05-2009, 02:47 PM

Alot more money to be made in mainstream but its much much harder to generate free traffic.

sortie · 01-05-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Europeeing Lee

the ONLY reason you haven't done anything in mainstream is because you are an idiot who doesn't know any better, and just wants to make new threads on a surfmaster board to see if people click his siggy some more

people EVOLVE from adult into mainstream, it isn't a fucking choice, once you learn enough and get more business sense, you have no choice but to expand outward beyond porn

Obviously you have no clue about what I do.

But thanks anyway

sortie · 01-05-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by germ

If you know how to push traffic to websites, it shouldnt really matter what's on those websites.

Promote whatever makes the most money.

Yeah, but what do you sale for mainstream?

EthnicLover · 01-05-2009, 02:52 PM

There are definitely a lot more niches to push in mainstream but there is also potentially a lot more competition. However, if you know how to funnel targeted traffic to your site then you shouldn't have a problem crossing over. Bottom line is though that you've got to enjoy whatever you sell online.

itto · 01-05-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

Yeah, but what do you sale for mainstream?

just have a look at clickbank's or paydotcom's marketplace - there's plenty of products!

sortie · 01-05-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Donfoolio

Nothing wrong with diversification sometimes. Especially if you have mastered what you do now and have more time on your hands.

I had some good off-the-web mainstream but that took so much time.
(brick and mortar type)

I'd like to find a way to do that again without distracting from the wed too much
but so far I haven't seen a clear way to do that.

EthnicLover · 01-05-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

Yeah, but what do you sale for mainstream?

Its amazing the amount of crap that can be sold online. Just check out these sites and their niches:

Money Clips
Swords
Muffins
Log Cabin Furniture

Friggin swords? I had no idea that many people bought swords in the world. What the hell do they do with them?

So there are a lot of products to push. Just got to find what you like.

sortie · 01-05-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by itto

just have a look at clickbank's or paydotcom's marketplace - there's plenty of products!

I thought clickbank had closed.

I signed up there years ago but never really got into it.

XPays · 01-05-2009, 03:04 PM

our coffee thing at nonadult.com is doing well for many

sortie · 01-05-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by EthnicLover

Its amazing the amount of crap that can be sold online. Just check out these sites and their niches:

Money Clips
Swords
Muffins
Log Cabin Furniture

Friggin swords? I had no idea that many people bought swords in the world. What the hell do they do with them?

So there are a lot of products to push. Just got to find what you like.

That's interesting!

The one thing I really wanted to sell online never had an affilate program.
I spent $600 with them right away.
I asked then about an affiliate program and they said they were closing thier biz
because it was too slow.

Man they should have gotten an affiliate program for sure.
I just think they had no clue about the web.

MaDalton · 01-05-2009, 03:12 PM

www.cj.com

sortie · 01-05-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by XPays

our coffee thing at nonadult.com is doing well for many

Awesome!

That's some great stuff.

Bookmarking this thread!

sortie · 01-05-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

www.cj.com

For some reason I didn't like them; but that was back in 2000 or even earlier.

Worth a re-check.

itto · 01-05-2009, 03:24 PM

another thing to consider when going mainstream is the difference in the sales-process.. first i just created blogs, linking to sales-pages. didn't work out. nowadays i create a squeeze-page where people opt-in for a free info product and i make 'em affiliate-sales in the backend (after 4 or 5 autoresponder mails). way better conversions i tell ya.

wyldblyss · 01-05-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by EthnicLover

Its amazing the amount of crap that can be sold online. Just check out these sites and their niches:

Money Clips
Swords
Muffins
Log Cabin Furniture

Friggin swords? I had no idea that many people bought swords in the world. What the hell do they do with them?

So there are a lot of products to push. Just got to find what you like.

Holy crap, $42 for 12 muffins..works out to be almost $3.56 each without shipping. As for the shipping, they won't even give you the price of it on the page, you have to enter your credit card number first.

And they say porn is bad lol

sortie · 01-05-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by itto

another thing to consider when going mainstream is the difference in the sales-process.. first i just created blogs, linking to sales-pages. didn't work out. nowadays i create a squeeze-page where people opt-in for a free info product and i make 'em affiliate-sales in the backend (after 4 or 5 autoresponder mails). way better conversions i tell ya.

That's a good strategy.

sortie · 01-05-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by wyldblyss

Holy crap, $42 for 12 muffins..works out to be almost $3.56 each without shipping. As for the shipping, they won't even give you the price of it on the page, you have to enter your credit card number first.

And they say porn is bad lol

Yeah, but have you tasted one yet.

Maybe they are "herbal muffins".

EthnicLover · 01-05-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wyldblyss

Holy crap, $42 for 12 muffins..works out to be almost $3.56 each without shipping. As for the shipping, they won't even give you the price of it on the page, you have to enter your credit card number first.

And they say porn is bad lol

Yeah really. I guess someone is willing to pay a chuck of change for some muffins. I wonder if Gourmet Muffins taste any better than regular ones?

Libertine · 01-05-2009, 03:51 PM

Mainstream is much easier, in my opinion. People tend to trust you more if you're able to present them with well-written advertisements that are packaged as "content".

EscortBiz · 01-05-2009, 03:57 PM

mainstream is not easy at all and you need 10x as much money and effort, but if you set it up right and put in the cash time and brains there is lots of money to be made but its not easy at all

sortie · 01-05-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by EscortBiz

mainstream is not easy at all and you need 10x as much money and effort, but if you set it up right and put in the cash time and brains there is lots of money to be made but its not easy at all

I wonder why youtube does not do more.

They don't have to put it on the main page, just have a link to shopping.

germ · 01-05-2009, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

Yeah, but what do you sale for mainstream?

Heres a good place to look for mainstream offers.

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

www.cj.com

Also a solid place.

MaDalton · 01-05-2009, 06:53 PM

i noticed that in mainstream you have like 20-25% cancellations sometimes - depending on the product. it can be a bit frustrating when you come from adult and you have to take that into your calculation

dav3 · 01-05-2009, 06:59 PM

Because mainstream commission is usually about 1%-4%?

MaDalton · 01-05-2009, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dav3

Because mainstream commission is usually about 1%-4%?

huh?

5678

xsabn · 01-05-2009, 07:34 PM

mainstream is boring ..

dav3 · 01-05-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

huh?

5678

Most of the products I want to push on CJ are small commission, which was kind of a let down. For instance, newegg was only 1%. Amazon is a little better at, I think, 4% for 1st tier.

sortie · 01-05-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dav3

Most of the products I want to push on CJ are small commission, which was kind of a let down. For instance, newegg was only 1%. Amazon is a little better at, I think, 4% for 1st tier.

That's the draw back for sure.

You gotta push big sales thru to make it.

Adult payouts are good and it's becoming plug-n-play : sign up, plug in, get check.

J$tyle$ · 01-05-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i noticed that in mainstream you have like 20-25% cancellations sometimes - depending on the product. it can be a bit frustrating when you come from adult and you have to take that into your calculation

A bit frustrating, huh? Really? And what are the cancellation %'s in adult?

LOL

I've never seen an industry in my life that offers more to their "commissioned sales people" to help them make $$$. Ads, custom ads, Free Image Galleries, Free Movie Galleries, RSS Feeds, FREE HOSTING, FREE CONTENT, and the list goes on and on ... all FREE! Basically, "Here's everything YOU NEED and we'll foot the bill for all the costs of licensing, technology, hardware, bandwidth and anything else ... you just go bring sales, ok?" Don't get me wrong. I know it's not as easy as it once was to generate traffic and tubes, torrents, surfer rip forums, yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah ... but it's almost a FREE "turnkey business" and has been for years now.

Do you think maybe that webmasters have been spoiled by adult and the PPS model? Sponsors pay more than they make per sale ... and on top of that, the affiliate program takes the hit on cancellations and charge backs. That is, unless it's a true partnership program - and there are very few REAL partnership programs in existence. That question/statement wasn't necessarily aimed at you, MaDalton - just a general question/statement

Affiliates are basically "sales people". You RARELY see a company/industry in "the real world" pay their sales people MORE than what they make on a sale. Don't get me wrong, it happens. The Cell Phone industry, for example, gave away the phone and paid 'reps' hundreds of $$$'s for new accounts back in the day - but at least they got customers/consumers to pay with long-term contracts.

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Originally Posted by dav3

Because mainstream commission is usually about 1%-4%?

Not quite. That's a huge generalization.

It really depends on what you're selling. If it's a retail physical item with low markup then low %'s are all you're going to get. If it's an "info product" or software you can make a much higher %.

J$tyle$ · 01-05-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

Adult payouts are good and it's becoming plug-n-play : sign up, plug in, get check.

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Originally Posted by J$tyle$

it's almost a FREE "turnkey business" and has been for years now.

Exactly ...

Europeeing Lee · 01-05-2009, 09:35 PM

sortie, I have seen you post enough over the past 6-8 months to be able to recognize that you don't know shit, and whenever you don't know something you always make a post and disguise it as a timid question about that particular something

this thread was your attempt to get ideas about pushing mainstream products because you are obviously not doing well in adult...don't worry though, I did the same thing when I started out 13 years ago...you HAVE to put feelers out and see where the market is and see if anything tickles your fancy

but the fact that you are obviously some 18 year old kid with absolutely no clue about how to work anything is what is laughable

you make a couple of references in this thread about how easy adult is...you put up links and make sales...but I would venture to guess you couldn't even consistently make one sale a day with any program, otherwise you wouldn't beat into the gfy thread viewers heads about how you put up links and makes sales so easily

my suggestion...go back to school, drop out of porn, and leave us the FUCK alone with your pseudo intellectual surfmaster verbal vomit

sortie · 01-05-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Europeeing Lee

sortie, I have seen you post enough over the past 6-8 months to be able to recognize that you don't know shit, and whenever you don't know something you always make a post and disguise it as a timid question about that particular something

this thread was your attempt to get ideas about pushing mainstream products because you are obviously not doing well in adult...don't worry though, I did the same thing when I started out 13 years ago...you HAVE to put feelers out and see where the market is and see if anything tickles your fancy

but the fact that you are obviously some 18 year old kid with absolutely no clue about how to work anything is what is laughable

you make a couple of references in this thread about how easy adult is...you put up links and make sales...but I would venture to guess you couldn't even consistently make one sale a day with any program, otherwise you wouldn't beat into the gfy thread viewers heads about how you put up links and makes sales so easily

my suggestion...go back to school, drop out of porn, and leave us the FUCK alone with your pseudo intellectual surfmaster verbal vomit

01-05-2009, 11:10 AM	#1
sortie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,771	The reason I don't go mainstream. Very simple : I have never been able to decide how to make money that way. I thought about pay per click/adsense and I just don't see the money there without goo-gobs of traffic, which I don't have. I haven't seen products that I think I can sell. Adult is easy, just join sponsors and send traffic. I know some people are doing it and making big bank, but it's one of those things where some can do it and others can/will not. OR....maybe I just like porn. __________________

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Europeeing Lee Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 81	the ONLY reason you haven't done anything in mainstream is because you are an idiot who doesn't know any better, and just wants to make new threads on a surfmaster board to see if people click his siggy some more people EVOLVE from adult into mainstream, it isn't a fucking choice, once you learn enough and get more business sense, you have no choice but to expand outward beyond porn __________________

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Europeeing Lee Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 81	sortie, I have seen you post enough over the past 6-8 months to be able to recognize that you don't know shit, and whenever you don't know something you always make a post and disguise it as a timid question about that particular something this thread was your attempt to get ideas about pushing mainstream products because you are obviously not doing well in adult...don't worry though, I did the same thing when I started out 13 years ago...you HAVE to put feelers out and see where the market is and see if anything tickles your fancy but the fact that you are obviously some 18 year old kid with absolutely no clue about how to work anything is what is laughable you make a couple of references in this thread about how easy adult is...you put up links and make sales...but I would venture to guess you couldn't even consistently make one sale a day with any program, otherwise you wouldn't beat into the gfy thread viewers heads about how you put up links and makes sales so easily my suggestion...go back to school, drop out of porn, and leave us the FUCK alone with your pseudo intellectual surfmaster verbal vomit __________________