Little test shoot of Fresh faced 18 year old using crappy $100 camera (PICS!!!) - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

papill0n · 01-10-2009, 03:17 PM

she is cute man - give it a shot

01-10-2009, 03:23 PM

[QUOTE=PSSuperstars;15307106]Your brain just doesn't go niche.. other than teen, milf, or straight sex..
maybe, just maybe, ya might have a dildo, anal sex, or foot job.

This chick could be GOLDEN with a femdomesque site.[/QUOTE

Are you kidding? Fetish people are some of the most picky people in the world. She would have to have killer feet to satisfy the feet people. Bondage fans like hot women that are tied up. She may do well with the alt fetish crowd.

01-10-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

In your position, I'd definitely be thinking in terms of fetish/bondage niche. I have to agree with what Paul said about her being rather average (at best) - and as he said...no offense to the model intended.

But average can work well in the bdsm/fetish niche if shot well - or given a unique spin.

Some of the photos aren't half-bad (considering a "crappy $100 cam). I liked the scenic background location - where is that?

She may fit into the alt fetish crowd. Most of the bondage companies shoot better looking models than that. Look at Harmony Concepts, Jon Woods, Jim Weathers, etc. Hot models all tied up. That is the bondage that really sells. As you know fetish has a huge following but they are very picky as to what they like.

wtfent · 01-10-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pornask

I've already commented on the lady. Where is this waterfall?

Secret little spot in San Diego.

TeenSluts · 01-10-2009, 05:29 PM

shocked me alright

nice ass

wtfent · 01-10-2009, 05:41 PM

Alright well site is off, she was my girlfriend for the week but I'm over her quicker than usual, her bad attitude was the deal breaker, she got real annoying and jealous of my other girlfriends as well. Fuck it. Got many more girls lined up.

After Shock Media · 01-10-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wtfent

Alright well site is off, she was my girlfriend for the week but I'm over her quicker than usual, her bad attitude was the deal breaker, she got real annoying and jealous of my other girlfriends as well. Fuck it. Got many more girls lined up.

Think your mindset is all wrong then. If you have and like to use "girlfriends". Also if you claim to have multiple and that is true. Why even consider a solo site? Are you stuck on that concept or something?
I figure it would do you much better to consider a multi girl site full of amateurs. Have them do what they will and as quickly as you can since you claim to move through them pretty quickly, since you get "over them". Toss them some cash, get the footage and when your bored or whatever get your next one.

Wagerboy · 01-10-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by donkevlar

That's what I was thinking... she reminds me of some groupie I would take into the green room after a show.

Im not THAT status but dont all those type of girls look the same? lol...same nice ass, rest is a mess, teeth always not so great, tats of stars all around but a lay up for the slam in the car and a fake cell number afterwards...lol silly little slobs.

D Ghost · 01-10-2009, 06:53 PM

nice assss

wtfent · 01-10-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Think your mindset is all wrong then. If you have and like to use "girlfriends". Also if you claim to have multiple and that is true. Why even consider a solo site? Are you stuck on that concept or something?
I figure it would do you much better to consider a multi girl site full of amateurs. Have them do what they will and as quickly as you can since you claim to move through them pretty quickly, since you get "over them". Toss them some cash, get the footage and when your bored or whatever get your next one.

Yea my site is filled with these kind of girls, usually just a one time shoot kinda deal, she just happened to be one of the girls that was overly excited to do her own site so I thought I might give it a try. I won't do a site for a girl that's not excited about it.

http://thiswillshockyou.com/uncensored/tour1.htm

Paul Markham · 01-11-2009, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PSSuperstars

It doesn't matter what fetish she's into.
I can go take a girl off the street... write a few scripts for her on femdom/humiliation.. put her on a cam site for $3.99+/min.. and make bank.

What a girl or what a photographer is personally into doesn't have anything to do with what they make money at...

2-3 days of reading can get you started... but ya gotta have a brain to be able to break it apart.. every fetish is just about the psychology of it.. if you're a great writer, you can BS right thru it once you get the psychological part down...

And you said, "Fetish can't afford me.."

Well you can choose to shoot it for your own sites and make a lot more than ya do.. not just for your content site.. but for your program/self... but you choose not to...

and I'm not making assumptions.. I'm just going off advice I've read you give other people over and over about the girls they post.. and it bothers me.

This post from JaneB it all.

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Are you kidding? Fetish people are some of the most picky people in the world. She would have to have killer feet to satisfy the feet people. Bondage fans like hot women that are tied up. She may do well with the alt fetish crowd.

So you think you can go and read up for a few days and become an expert on a fetish!!!!!

And we wonder why so many surfers are turning away from buying the filler pulp many put out. The biggest flaw in your theory is this.IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE NICHE HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT TO READ? How do you know the site is good, what to pick out, how to interpret it, if the model is right, if the setting is right, if the clothing is right, if the action is right and if you have a clue about how you're putting it together in the right way and not insulting the intelligence of the fetish devotee?

Because you read up on it for a few days.

I can tell you straight off with those tattoos she won't fit a lot of fetishes. Femdom is top of the list. But you would know that because you read up on it for 2-3 days.

Paul Markham · 01-11-2009, 04:27 AM

This thread says so much about our attitude towards the product we sell. And maybe gives a clue at why surfers are harder to turn away from Tubes and turn into members.

Someone puts up a girl who is at best average, tattooed, skinny and asks if he should do a site of her. Some reply she's hot or cute, give it a go and talk very positively. Some even suggest jumping into a fetish she is clearly not suited for unless the tattoos are covered and even suggest a few days reading will give all the knowledge needed, even if the girl is not into the fetish.

Yes all very optimistic and positive and I'm sure it's very nice that you're talking like this. However the reality is a little different.

The girl is not hot and never cute, she's average and there are thousands more prettier girls on sites that already don't convert well. Building a solo girl site of her was it turns out a stupid idea because she's a girl friend who is now dropped. Even though the thread is only a few days old.

I'm often accused of being negative and a moaning old fart. So look around you and see who was right.

One of the reasons people don't buy a product is that the product does not meet their needs. This thread shows how clueless about what our customers needs are. Yes put up a site and if you drive enough traffic at it you will convert some. And the next time those ex members look at a site they will remember your site and how well it filled their needs.

If you produce filler content without knowing what it is that you're doing and what the customer really wants. You will build distrust in those customers. Your customers today are mine tomorrow, mine today are yours tomorrow. If we don't keep them happy they won't be anyone's customers tomorrow.

I'm not trying to have a go at people, but please you don't learn how to shoot porn in a few day, let alone shoot fetish porn. Trust me I know, I learned the hard way.

geirlur · 01-11-2009, 09:17 AM

great ass but not singlegirl site material imo

mrwilson · 01-11-2009, 09:28 AM

Great little ass on her for sure.
She has got alot potential imo

Chosen · 01-11-2009, 09:35 AM

Cute girl, I like her

romeo22 · 01-11-2009, 09:38 AM

really like it

Ass for hitting

01-11-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

This post from JaneB it all.

So you think you can go and read up for a few days and become an expert on a fetish!!!!!

And we wonder why so many surfers are turning away from buying the filler pulp many put out. The biggest flaw in your theory is this.IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE NICHE HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT TO READ? How do you know the site is good, what to pick out, how to interpret it, if the model is right, if the setting is right, if the clothing is right, if the action is right and if you have a clue about how you're putting it together in the right way and not insulting the intelligence of the fetish devotee?

Because you read up on it for a few days.

I can tell you straight off with those tattoos she won't fit a lot of fetishes. Femdom is top of the list. But you would know that because you read up on it for 2-3 days.

Bondage is a very hard niche to shoot. I had to laugh when he said he could read up on it in two or three days. I have shot bondage since 2000, and it is one of the hardest niches to shoot. If you are shooting feet, the models have to have perfect toenail polish and very nice feet. People will notice even a nick in the nail polish or a hang nail. When you are shooting your toes have to be pointed at all times even in high heels. You also have to be flexible to get the best angles possible. Having your elbows tied together behind your back for an hour is no easy task. The amount of work that goes into fetish shoots is amazing. I do not think a lot of people realize how hard it really is. Plus if you do not have a clue how to do proper ties in bondage, you can really hurt a model.

John-ACWM · 01-11-2009, 01:57 PM

Not too much quality,but you said it was a hundred bucks camera. She's pretty,the scenery nice...at least it was a fun shoot

PSSuperstars · 01-11-2009, 01:58 PM

Fetish or niche doesn't just mean bondage or feet.

I see the per minute side of porn. I can tell you what guys pay $120 to $500 per hour sometimes to see or hear... and I can tell you a girl can be trained to do what's needed in that hour in just an hour or so.. as long as the psychology of it is understood... If you can google the keywords, read it up.. and get the psychology of it.. you're golden. The problem is incorporating people with brains over people with generic hot bodies. You guys operate differently. That's fine

And it's not just bondage and feet...

But it's fine. You guys go on doing what you do. You're successful at it

Go on with it

This guy wouldn't have made it anyways just wanting to film girls who are his "girlfriends"

NY Jester · 01-11-2009, 04:06 PM

She's got an ass and a half... she could get it!

batts · 01-11-2009, 04:16 PM

She is really sexy, i think the camera is good, good to see pics that are not professional.

LiveDose · 01-11-2009, 04:33 PM

Very cute.

01-11-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PSSuperstars

Fetish or niche doesn't just mean bondage or feet.

I see the per minute side of porn. I can tell you what guys pay $120 to $500 per hour sometimes to see or hear... and I can tell you a girl can be trained to do what's needed in that hour in just an hour or so.. as long as the psychology of it is understood... If you can google the keywords, read it up.. and get the psychology of it.. you're golden. The problem is incorporating people with brains over people with generic hot bodies. You guys operate differently. That's fine

And it's not just bondage and feet...

But it's fine. You guys go on doing what you do. You're successful at it

Go on with it

This guy wouldn't have made it anyways just wanting to film girls who are his "girlfriends"

I know fetish covers more than just feet and bondage. Those are just the top fetishes. Thanks for informing me about a field that I have been involved in for years. I know the psychology of it better than you. People that pay for for these services per minute still want a pretty face and nice body. I do per minute sites and I hear from many members about how they think how many of the women on these sites are ugly. There are women on webcam sites that do only fetishes but they are still hot as hell. Sorry to break it you you, but most people want an attractive person. You can find an average woman on any street. To find an attractive women that is into fetishes is icing on the cake for many people. Pay per minute is about the fantasy. Plus a lot of women in this industry do have brains and a hot body. Why take one over the other when you can have both.

atman · 01-11-2009, 05:16 PM

nice ass perfect

Paul Markham · 01-12-2009, 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaneB

Bondage is a very hard niche to shoot. I had to laugh when he said he could read up on it in two or three days. I have shot bondage since 2000, and it is one of the hardest niches to shoot. If you are shooting feet, the models have to have perfect toenail polish and very nice feet. People will notice even a nick in the nail polish or a hang nail. When you are shooting your toes have to be pointed at all times even in high heels. You also have to be flexible to get the best angles possible. Having your elbows tied together behind your back for an hour is no easy task. The amount of work that goes into fetish shoots is amazing. I do not think a lot of people realize how hard it really is. Plus if you do not have a clue how to do proper ties in bondage, you can really hurt a model.

The problem is many here are creating, selling and promoting porn they clearly have no clue about. It's like vegetarians selling meat. They can read up on it and think they have a clue, in reality they produce filler content that has little appeal, they think the key is driving traffic. There were two big mistakes he made with his post, one was learning a fetish by reading up on it for a few days and the other was about the model being into the fetish.

The first one we dealt with, the second one is one of the main reasons we have slumped as an industry. Who wants to spend months in a site full of models doing something they are clearly not into? How many time have we seen a scene in any niche with a model giving a half hearted performance of even badly faking it?

The problem is we don't understand what we sell, we know all about the vehicle and box we deliver it in and the road and route to get it to the consumer. The content of the box many are clueless about.

No worries the surfer doesn't buy because we don't have enough traffic.

Lykos · 01-12-2009, 06:14 AM

I like her

tranza · 01-12-2009, 07:11 AM

Nice ass on her!

01-10-2009, 05:41 PM	#56
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01-11-2009, 04:27 AM	#62
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	This thread says so much about our attitude towards the product we sell. And maybe gives a clue at why surfers are harder to turn away from Tubes and turn into members. Someone puts up a girl who is at best average, tattooed, skinny and asks if he should do a site of her. Some reply she's hot or cute, give it a go and talk very positively. Some even suggest jumping into a fetish she is clearly not suited for unless the tattoos are covered and even suggest a few days reading will give all the knowledge needed, even if the girl is not into the fetish. Yes all very optimistic and positive and I'm sure it's very nice that you're talking like this. However the reality is a little different. The girl is not hot and never cute, she's average and there are thousands more prettier girls on sites that already don't convert well. Building a solo girl site of her was it turns out a stupid idea because she's a girl friend who is now dropped. Even though the thread is only a few days old. I'm often accused of being negative and a moaning old fart. So look around you and see who was right. One of the reasons people don't buy a product is that the product does not meet their needs. This thread shows how clueless about what our customers needs are. Yes put up a site and if you drive enough traffic at it you will convert some. And the next time those ex members look at a site they will remember your site and how well it filled their needs. If you produce filler content without knowing what it is that you're doing and what the customer really wants. You will build distrust in those customers. Your customers today are mine tomorrow, mine today are yours tomorrow. If we don't keep them happy they won't be anyone's customers tomorrow. I'm not trying to have a go at people, but please you don't learn how to shoot porn in a few day, let alone shoot fetish porn. Trust me I know, I learned the hard way. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

01-11-2009, 09:17 AM	#63
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01-11-2009, 01:57 PM	#68
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01-11-2009, 01:58 PM	#69
PSSuperstars Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,477	Fetish or niche doesn't just mean bondage or feet. I see the per minute side of porn. I can tell you what guys pay $120 to $500 per hour sometimes to see or hear... and I can tell you a girl can be trained to do what's needed in that hour in just an hour or so.. as long as the psychology of it is understood... If you can google the keywords, read it up.. and get the psychology of it.. you're golden. The problem is incorporating people with brains over people with generic hot bodies. You guys operate differently. That's fine And it's not just bondage and feet... But it's fine. You guys go on doing what you do. You're successful at it Go on with it This guy wouldn't have made it anyways just wanting to film girls who are his "girlfriends" __________________ Porn's Best Kept Secret : PSOCash.com : Make Money Promoting Phone Sex in Members Areas, TGPs, and MORE! : Lifetime 30% Payout *Best Webcam Referral Payouts* Last edited by PSSuperstars; 01-11-2009 at 02:00 PM..

01-10-2009, 03:17 PM	#51
papill0n Unregistered Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 15,547	she is cute man - give it a shot

01-10-2009, 03:23 PM	#52
JaneB Guest Posts: n/a	[QUOTE=PSSuperstars;15307106]Your brain just doesn't go niche.. other than teen, milf, or straight sex.. maybe, just maybe, ya might have a dildo, anal sex, or foot job. This chick could be GOLDEN with a femdomesque site.[/QUOTE Are you kidding? Fetish people are some of the most picky people in the world. She would have to have killer feet to satisfy the feet people. Bondage fans like hot women that are tied up. She may do well with the alt fetish crowd.

01-10-2009, 05:29 PM	#55
TeenSluts Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,966	shocked me alright nice ass

01-10-2009, 06:53 PM	#59
D Ghost null Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,820	nice assss

01-11-2009, 09:28 AM	#64
mrwilson mrwilson 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: ICQ: 465406783 Posts: 5,122	Great little ass on her for sure. She has got alot potential imo

01-11-2009, 09:35 AM	#65
Chosen VIPPay.com \| AdultWebSponsors.com Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 63,151	Cute girl, I like her

01-11-2009, 09:38 AM	#66
romeo22 你自己去他媽的 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 23,347	really like it Ass for hitting

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01-11-2009, 04:16 PM	#71
batts So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,266	She is really sexy, i think the camera is good, good to see pics that are not professional.

01-11-2009, 04:33 PM	#72
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01-12-2009, 06:14 AM	#76
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01-12-2009, 07:11 AM	#77
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Nice ass on her! __________________ I'm just a newbie.