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EXPORT · 01-10-2009, 10:47 PM

Just listening to some songs and they are awesome!

Must be 15 years since I last listened to any of their music

So many memories ohhhh shitters...

You have any feelings?

Mutt · 01-10-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EXPORT

Just listening to some songs and they are awesome!

Must be 15 years since I last listened to any of their music

So many memories ohhhh shitters...

You have any feelings?

who the hell are the Beatles - i'm a young dude and i listen to real music - rap. i'll leave the rock and roll to you old geezers.

EXPORT · 01-10-2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

who the hell are the Beatles - i'm a young dude and i listen to real music - rap. i'll leave the rock and roll to you old geezers.

lol

I do not think you are serious...

i am a young geezer

Blazed · 01-10-2009, 11:03 PM

Beatles a poor mans Oasis.

Mutt · 01-10-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Blazed

Beatles a poor mans Oasis.

who are Oasis? is there anybody fucking here under 60?

EXPORT · 01-10-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

who are Oasis? is there anybody fucking here under 60?

you went to private school?

tony286 · 01-10-2009, 11:13 PM

amazing song writers.

raven1083 · 01-10-2009, 11:18 PM

i like beatles, they are so good!

Matyko · 01-10-2009, 11:29 PM

Both my girlfriend and I are huge Beatles fans. We listen Beatles/Lennon/McCartney on a daily basis. Incredible talents and wonderful songs. And I am not talking about ticket to ride" and such famous/overplayed/crappy songs but like most of the tracks of Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band or Abbey Road.

Obviously our daughter is raised listening to this kind of music instead of turning on MTV/Viva shit...

mmcfadden · 01-10-2009, 11:40 PM

there's alot better music out there... :two cents

After Shock Media · 01-10-2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Blazed

Beatles a poor mans Oasis.

please
btw seriously who are they how long they been around what they sing/write

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Originally Posted by mmcfadden

there's alot better music out there... :two cents

sure there is
there always is better to others in a large general arena like music
just your comment is missing some examples since better is subjective and with no baselines comparison your comment falls short

MikeSmoke · 01-11-2009, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

who are Oasis?

Oasis was the "modern-day" Beatles...for about 15 minutes or so

bobby666 · 01-11-2009, 01:10 AM

my all time beatles favourites are:
Rocky Racoon and
Marthay my dear

Drake · 01-11-2009, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Blazed

Beatles a poor mans Oasis.

The Oasis guys have some decent melodies but your statement should be reversed.

They have no tunes that touch even the tip of the Beatles catalogue:

Sam Granger · 01-11-2009, 04:09 AM

Love the Beatles! Here comes the sun, yesterday, all are fucking classics. Went to the Bootleg Beatles a few months back which was awesome. If they are ever playing nearby I suggest you go! Just waiting for Baddog to post in this topic with his pics

Klen · 01-11-2009, 04:28 AM

Beatles is still most popular band ever.

Blingbaby · 01-11-2009, 04:42 AM

I grew up with and will always love The Beatles. Have you seen Across The Universe? I never thought anyone could do Beatles covers, let alone make an entire musical movie with Beatles songs but this movie rocks, you might really like it.

Blingbaby · 01-11-2009, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Blazed

Beatles a poor mans Oasis.

Wow, what a retarded statement..

XX_RydeR · 01-11-2009, 06:21 AM

The Beatles will always be iconic and played until FOREVER lol.

Kristian · 01-11-2009, 07:26 AM

The Beatles...best band ever.

Rolling Stones...second.

BlackCrayon · 01-11-2009, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Blingbaby

Wow, what a retarded statement..

blaze does this in every beatles thread. what a fanboy.

buzzy · 01-11-2009, 07:57 AM

Oasis are one of the best bands of all time but no match for the Beatles i must admit.

But you Americans need your heads checking, Oasis are one of the greatest bands of the 90's and infact of all time.

CaptainHowdy · 01-11-2009, 08:00 AM

I know they are a great influence an blah but I just don't like them...

buzzy · 01-11-2009, 08:03 AM

notoldschool · 01-11-2009, 08:11 AM

First of all Oasis is garbage compared to the beatles who were inventors of rock and roll as well as many other types of music. Their music still works in these ages and Oasis is not nearly as well known even today. Beatles music will never die as Oasis will never live.

buzzy · 01-11-2009, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool

First of all Oasis is garbage compared to the beatles who were inventors of rock and roll as well as many other types of music. Their music still works in these ages and Oasis is not nearly as well known even today. Beatles music will never die as Oasis will never live.

Totally false.

Oasis are known all around the world (Apart from the USA) as one of the biggest and best rock and roll bands of all time.

Matyko · 01-11-2009, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool

First of all Oasis is garbage compared to the beatles who were inventors of rock and roll as well as many other types of music. Their music still works in these ages and Oasis is not nearly as well known even today. Beatles music will never die as Oasis will never live.

QFT

SomeCreep · 01-11-2009, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by EXPORT

You have any feelings?

Just that they're the greatest rock band ever.

notoldschool · 01-11-2009, 08:45 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles

The Beatles made their first live American television appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show on 9 February 1964. Approximately 74 million viewers ? about half of the American population ? watched the group perform on the show.

About 2/3 of that number thinks that you are talking about water in the desert when you mention oasis.

buzzy · 01-11-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles

The Beatles made their first live American television appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show on 9 February 1964. Approximately 74 million viewers ? about half of the American population ? watched the group perform on the show.

About 2/3 of that number thinks that you are talking about water in the desert when you mention oasis.

But that's America.

Blazed · 01-11-2009, 11:20 AM

The beatles were lucky to be born before Oasis if it had been the other way around Oasis would be the band everyone considers the beatles to have been.

Although some people like me can see that Oasis are better than the beatles ever were anyway. The problem is alot of you older guys were on shrooms everyday dancing around fields listenting to the beatles, you got caught up in the moment and now when you look back on the "good old days" it makes yout hink the beatles were better than they actually were.

If you just compare song for song without the hippy bias Oasis are better.

Also heres more proof

Beatles - Imagine 18million views

Oasis - Wonderwall 22million views

The beatles video was added a year earlier and still has 4m less views, thats because only old hippies give a damn about the beatles and if the music was half as great as you make out young people today would like them also, but the clearl;y isnt the case which is why oasis videos get more views on youtube.

Darkland · 01-11-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzy

Oasis are known all around the world (Apart from the USA) as one of the biggest and best rock and roll bands of all time.

Not sure were you get that, while Oasis IS a good group, I can think of others that are much better.

And my contribution to the last Beatles discussion when Blazed jumped in with his insane fanboy adoration of Oasis.

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Originally Posted by Darkland

The proof is in the pudding...

Oasis have sold over 50 million records worldwide and have had eight UK number-one singles.

The Beatles have sold more albums in the United States than any other band... sold over one billion records worldwide... the Beatles charted twenty #1 singles in the States ? three more than runner-up Elvis Presley - and seventeen in the UK.

I think that about sums it up...

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Originally Posted by Darkland

Okay, those Beatles stats where correlated in 1985 so that is 25 years total. Those stats on Oasis are current figures so that means it has taken them 17 years to sell those measly 50 million records. Lets be fair and say the sell 50 million a year for the remaining 8 years they still won't come close to selling the same number of records. Hell, they wouldn't even if you tripled that number per year over the remaining 8 years.

Even if those Beatles stats ARE current there is no way, just by the proven numbers alone of Oasis for them to catch up.

No matter what Oasis does or how much longer that continue to make music, they will never reach the heights The Beatles have acheived, who has sold far more records AFTER their demise than OASIS has to date.

justinsain · 01-11-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles

The Beatles made their first live American television appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show on 9 February 1964. Approximately 74 million viewers ? about half of the American population ? watched the group perform on the show.

I was one of them

John-ACWM · 01-11-2009, 01:47 PM

I listen to all kinds of music and I have to say that Beatles were and are great. Long live the music

jollyperv · 01-11-2009, 02:06 PM

Can there not be a beatles thread without someone mentioning fucking oasis??

Matyko · 01-11-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by justinsain

I was one of them

Please Expound!

Drake · 01-11-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Blazed

Beatles - Imagine 18million views

Oasis - Wonderwall 22million views

The beatles video was added a year earlier and still has 4m less views, thats because only old hippies give a damn about the beatles and if the music was half as great as you make out young people today would like them also, but the clearl;y isnt the case which is why oasis videos get more views on youtube.

Imagine came out in 1971; it's almost 40 years old. Wonderwall is ~15 years old. They should have more views if views means they're better. Lil Wayne has 25 million views so it's not a good metric to use.

I wasn't always a Beatles fan. Their music wasn't hard enough. Not enough guitar work. It was status quo music for 'old' people. But I've come to appreciate how difficult it is to craft everlasting melodies and good songs, especially of the scope of the Beatles. Liking or disliking their music is a matter of taste but there is no doubting their influence/imprint in music.

Is this just a Beatles versus Oasis thing? In your opinion, is Oasis better than the Rolling Stones, The Who, Zepplin? I couldn't tell you who is the better of the latter three bands, but they were all great. I don't put Oasis in the same league.

roly · 01-11-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mmcfadden

there's alot better music out there... :two cents

i've not heard of two cents, do you mean 50 cent?

Spunky · 01-11-2009, 02:35 PM

Grew up listening to them,still like them after all these years

reebix · 01-11-2009, 02:59 PM

Imagine is not a Beatles song; it's the title song from Lennon's second album after the Beatles broke up.

(The first was the Plastic Ono Band which... ugh probably doesn't count

)

The music industry of that era doesn't exist anymore so any comparisons to "current" artists, which Oasis certainly wouldn't be considered by anyone in the industry or its key demographic to be, are useless.

Violetta · 01-11-2009, 03:07 PM

elanor rigby...

justinsain · 01-11-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Matyko

Please Expound!

I was seven at the time when the Beatles first appeared on Ed Sullivan that night.

I remember it because I got to stay up late to watch it with the rest of my family and I was
excited just about that. My older sister went crazy, my Mom didn't see what all the fuss was about and I have to say that my Dad was a tad bit disgusted

BlackCrayon · 01-11-2009, 04:25 PM

Goddamn...Blazed can you please stay away from beatles threads in the future. We all know your opinion. I would do the same in any oasis threads that you do in beatles threads but oh wait...there aren't any.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-11-2009, 04:48 PM

A few more Beatles gems...

RIP John and George...

ADG

notoldschool · 01-11-2009, 05:52 PM

Beatles invented Rock and Roll. They started before there was rock and every rock band copies something they invented. Period. Oasis is not even in the top 25 bands of all time. They invented nothing. The beatles are not from America and it was their first time in front of America so I dont understand the America theory.

Oasis will NEVER know the success or even close to the popularity of the beatles. Sorry.

jollyperv · 01-11-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool

Beatles invented Rock and Roll. They started before there was rock and every rock band copies something they invented. Period. Oasis is not even in the top 25 bands of all time. They invented nothing. The beatles are not from America and it was their first time in front of America so I dont understand the America theory.

Oasis will NEVER know the success or even close to the popularity of the beatles. Sorry.

Sorry dude, and while I do agree with you on the Oasis point, the Beatles definetely did not invent rock and or roll...they idolized the true innovators, which were basically black dudes from the southeastern united states (Chuck Berry, etc.). What they DID do, however, was bring rock and roll into the mainstream unlike any band had ever done in history, and got massive and well deserved fame because of it. Plus tons and tons of pussy.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-11-2009, 06:09 PM

Listening to Wonderwall makes me want to bang my head against the wall...

Wonderwall is a poor rewrite of Across the Universe meets Hey Jude:

Either way you look at it, lyrically or musically, the Beatles win...No Contest!!!

Oasis has never been anything but a pale imitation of the Beatles...

ADG

Blazed · 01-11-2009, 09:10 PM

No other band in the world gets the audience singing along like Oasis, their gigs are crazy and every single person in the room is singing at the top of their voice. Their arent any other bands in the world which have that same affect on people.

The beatles were hippies and talked shit which at the time the people of America wanted to hear, even though the beatles themselves were anti american and just milked as much money as they could.

The only band you could reasonably compare with Oasis from them days is Queen or The Clash.

notoldschool · 01-11-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Blazed

No other band in the world gets the audience singing along like Oasis, their gigs are crazy and every single person in the room is singing at the top of their voice. Their arent any other bands in the world which have that same affect on people.

Yeah that happens at Miley Cyrus concerts, are you saying she is more popular than the beatles.

I LOL @ the anyone over 14 saying that Oasis is even in the top 20 all time bands world wide. That is a laugher. Queen is FAR better, more popular, and have more hits BY FAR and they dont beat the beatles. Hell MJ is far more popular than Oasis will ever be. I cant even beleive im mentioning them in the same breath.

You can even say that beatles had their hand in starting techno sounds when most of you were sucking on moms tit.

MikeSmoke · 01-11-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Blazed

The only band you could reasonably compare with Oasis from them days is Queen or The Clash.

What days are "them days?" Is "them days" the days before you were born? Were Glenn Miller and Beethoven from "them days" too?

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EXPORT Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,345	The Beatles Just listening to some songs and they are awesome! Must be 15 years since I last listened to any of their music So many memories ohhhh shitters... You have any feelings?

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notoldschool Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,687	First of all Oasis is garbage compared to the beatles who were inventors of rock and roll as well as many other types of music. Their music still works in these ages and Oasis is not nearly as well known even today. Beatles music will never die as Oasis will never live. __________________ No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture. -- Learned Hand http://www.bjpenn.com

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notoldschool Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,687	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles The Beatles made their first live American television appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show on 9 February 1964. Approximately 74 million viewers ? about half of the American population ? watched the group perform on the show. About 2/3 of that number thinks that you are talking about water in the desert when you mention oasis. __________________ No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture. -- Learned Hand http://www.bjpenn.com

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Blazed Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: London Posts: 1,701	The beatles were lucky to be born before Oasis if it had been the other way around Oasis would be the band everyone considers the beatles to have been. Although some people like me can see that Oasis are better than the beatles ever were anyway. The problem is alot of you older guys were on shrooms everyday dancing around fields listenting to the beatles, you got caught up in the moment and now when you look back on the "good old days" it makes yout hink the beatles were better than they actually were. If you just compare song for song without the hippy bias Oasis are better. Also heres more proof Beatles - Imagine 18million views Oasis - Wonderwall 22million views The beatles video was added a year earlier and still has 4m less views, thats because only old hippies give a damn about the beatles and if the music was half as great as you make out young people today would like them also, but the clearl;y isnt the case which is why oasis videos get more views on youtube. __________________ ☻

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notoldschool Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,687	Beatles invented Rock and Roll. They started before there was rock and every rock band copies something they invented. Period. Oasis is not even in the top 25 bands of all time. They invented nothing. The beatles are not from America and it was their first time in front of America so I dont understand the America theory. Oasis will NEVER know the success or even close to the popularity of the beatles. Sorry. __________________ No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture. -- Learned Hand http://www.bjpenn.com Last edited by notoldschool; 01-11-2009 at 05:54 PM..

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Blazed Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: London Posts: 1,701	No other band in the world gets the audience singing along like Oasis, their gigs are crazy and every single person in the room is singing at the top of their voice. Their arent any other bands in the world which have that same affect on people. The beatles were hippies and talked shit which at the time the people of America wanted to hear, even though the beatles themselves were anti american and just milked as much money as they could. The only band you could reasonably compare with Oasis from them days is Queen or The Clash. __________________ ☻