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Old 01-19-2009, 03:17 PM   #101
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<table>
<tr>
<td>navigation</td>
<td>content area</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>footer stuff</td>
</tr>
</table>

Or...

<table>
<tr>
<td>Content Area</td><TD>Navigation</TD>
</tr>
<tr rowspan=2>
<td>footer stuff</td>
</tr>
</table>

Simplify the order of content with good structure along those lines.
I'd prefer you used CSS for the first, but it still looks ok.

If you used the second table, I'd never hire you.
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Old 01-19-2009, 03:18 PM   #102
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Google already has an algorithm in place to detect text that is hidden and moved via CSS. Their official statement is that they have not removed any sites from the SERPs for this, yet.
I'm not talking about hiding things, but leaving the important content on the top of the code and the less relevant content below. And I seriously doubt Google will take action against what I'm talking about, unless someone takes this shit to another level.

And I agree AlienQ, content is king and CSS is just a small improvement. But that's not relevant as we're talking about tables vs CSS.

If you compare a perfect tableless CSS layout to a perfect table layout, the CSS one has a lot more benefits when it comes to loading times (IF it uses multiple pages), SEO (cleaner code, content on top) and management (everything can be changed a lot faster). I don't see how anyone can disagree on this.

Plus with CSS it's a lot easier to integrate designs into scripts.
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Old 01-19-2009, 03:23 PM   #103
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Your argument is based upon valid uses of CSS (aesthetics), however - aesthetics does not equate to proper SEO. Your CSS positioning (to place content higher in the markup, not not so visually) will eventually be penalized so I will not consider this a valid point.
I didn't know we were talking about the future...

They have been saying this for a couple years now, I have chalked it up to heresay since what i have read from google and such that they arent leaning either way...

Im also relying on my and others' results...

And yes... i guess im arguing the mixture of SEO and marketing...

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Old 01-19-2009, 03:32 PM   #104
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Just as I have for almost anyone that has ever asked me... I will help you Alien with your CSS if you need/want it...

You keep saying that placement is unstable, but you are dealing with basic CSS< if you use strict settings and know all the right formulas, you will position every browser equal and have the added benefit of cell phone surfers n such... depending on the site of course...
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Old 01-19-2009, 04:36 PM   #106
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the reason css is pissing you off is because you dont know how to do it.
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http://www.alistapart.com/articles/seo

http://www.stonetemple.com/articles/css-and-seo.shtml

http://www.avangate.com/articles/seo-css_64.htm

http://www.hobo-web.co.uk/seo-blog/i...alid-html-css/

http://www.darrenatkinson.co.uk/articles/boost-seo-css/

http://www.nick-stone.com/css_seo.php
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Old 01-19-2009, 05:26 PM   #109
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All of those articles are about using valid markup.

Not using tables is a good thing, and does help SEO.
Using CSS alone does not benefit SEO.

CSS does allow you to quit using tables and start using semantic markup, so it indirectly helps SEO - but it does not directly, and this has been my point all along.

The two are not mutually exclusive; I can still build a tabled and cluttered markup website, and still use CSS to style it.
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<table>
<tr>
<td>navigation</td>
<td>content area</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>footer stuff</td>
</tr>
</table>

Or...

<table>
<tr>
<td>Content Area</td><TD>Navigation</TD>
</tr>
<tr rowspan=2>
<td>footer stuff</td>
</tr>
</table>

Simplify the order of content with good structure along those lines.
rowspan=2?

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