Do you plan to break off from adult this year? - GoFuckYourself.com

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 01-28-2009, 12:48 PM

I been talkin to a few people and they got plans to cut out of the biz sometime this year.

There seems to be alot of opportunities out there outside adult.
I been thinking about shutting adult down sometime this year myself as most of you can probably guess. I am planning on moving to reneweable energy and in the process of setting a few things up in that sector.

But at any rate do you plan on making a transition?

If so what area ya thinking?

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 01-28-2009, 12:50 PM

I dropped out in fall of 08 and been slowly cleaning out my adult domains and projects since. It's been the best decision i've made in my online career. Tangible goods CAN NOT BE DOWNLOADED. That fact alone should speak for itself. There ain't no fat girls out there downloading Acai Berry and Wu Yi Tea.....

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 01-28-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

I dropped out in fall of 08 and been slowly cleaning out my adult domains and projects since. It's been the best decision i've made in my online career. Tangible goods CAN NOT BE DOWNLOADED. That fact alone should speak for itself. There ain't no fat girls out there downloading Acai Berry and Wu Yi Tea.....

Wow I agree with you! Media is fucked its just a downward spiral.
It seems adult will never be able to survive as the opportunities to generate ad revenue is pretty limited. But yeah piracy, tubes, and everything thats free, Adult Media is pretty screwed obviously.

Good for you man. Honestly I hope you do well

Xrated J · 01-28-2009, 01:03 PM

im not yet, but i have heard a few people i know talkin about it

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 01-28-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Wow I agree with you! Media is fucked its just a downward spiral.
It seems adult will never be able to survive as the opportunities to generate ad revenue is pretty limited. But yeah piracy, tubes, and everything thats free, Adult Media is pretty screwed obviously.

Good for you man. Honestly I hope you do well

In 3 months of mainstream promotion I have almost caught up to 3 YEARS of adult...

TeenCat · 01-28-2009, 01:09 PM

i hope everyone will drop adult so newbies as me will have it alot easier ...

Boobiepalooza · 01-28-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

In 3 months of mainstream promotion I have almost caught up to 3 YEARS of adult...

Thats quite a claim, what sort of products?

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 01-28-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Boobiepalooza

Thats quite a claim, what sort of products?

First thing you'll learn when you get to mainstream is that no one is going to answer many questions like that. I have dabbled in bizopp, health & beauty, short form & survey, mainstream dating, weightloss, self improvement, educational offers & entertainment among others. I'm mostly working on PPC projects right now. Not gonna go into what is working for me...

starpimps · 01-28-2009, 01:12 PM

yep started in December...still going to do adult but its just not going to take up as much time as it had before

Barefootsies · 01-28-2009, 01:13 PM

I can honestly say I do not see myself ever leaving adult.

I love making my own content, and I have a solid membership bases and sales. My members and customers love our content, and I love basically making my own toe porn for my pleasure. It's nice that others enjoy and help finance it.

The money is simply too good, and every year I make more. My ratios (sig) do not go down, and business keeps plugging away. I am looking forward to adding in some other adult projects to position us for the future. But I am planning to buy out business partner this year (hopefully) and keep things small. Nice and profitable.

That said, I am investing in some mainstream projects as well. Sure there is money in them, but I am really doing my music stuff more for me. Not thinking so much about the money part. Adult is my own personal bank with which I can fund the fun.

Boobiepalooza · 01-28-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

First thing you'll learn when you get to mainstream is that no one is going to answer many questions like that. I have dabbled in bizopp, health & beauty, short form & survey, mainstream dating, weightloss, self improvement, educational offers & entertainment among others. I'm mostly working on PPC projects right now. Not gonna go into what is working for me...

heh no probs i was just being nosey

Ozarkz · 01-28-2009, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

I been talkin to a few people and they got plans to cut out of the biz sometime this year.

There seems to be alot of opportunities out there outside adult.
I been thinking about shutting adult down sometime this year myself as most of you can probably guess. I am planning on moving to reneweable energy and in the process of setting a few things up in that sector.

But at any rate do you plan on making a transition?

If so what area ya thinking?

What are you going to setup in renewable energy?

RayVega · 01-28-2009, 01:26 PM

I got into adult in the first place because my real career is executive management. When appointed CEO of a porn company, I went with it. Now i am president of a mainstream firm, but still dabble in adult. It may only be a secondary income stream, but i like the people and the challenge, and I'm a bit of a perv...so it makes sense.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 01-28-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozarkz

What are you going to setup in renewable energy?

Renewable energy is going to be big in 09. As are other green/organic subjects. Myself I haven't looked into it yet, but I trust that we'll see more CPA offers opening up soon in this area as the interest grows.

Personally I'd start looking into commission based affiliate networks that stock energy efficient electronics, books & programs on off the grid living, and so forth. I'm sure amazon would be a great place to start looking.

CaptainHowdy · 01-28-2009, 01:34 PM

I will be back to strip-dancing...

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 01-28-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

I will be back to strip-dancing...

lame assed yankee style stripping, or badass canadian chucking loonies at twat style stripping?

Boobiepalooza · 01-28-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

Renewable energy is going to be big in 09. As are other green/organic subjects. Myself I haven't looked into it yet, but I trust that we'll see more CPA offers opening up soon in this area as the interest grows.

Personally I'd start looking into commission based affiliate networks that stock energy efficient electronics, books & programs on off the grid living, and so forth. I'm sure amazon would be a great place to start looking.

I agree there, especially with Obamas recent pledge to cut green house emissions and the whole push towards it, how that will reflect to making money online its yet to be seen but early adopters will make money.

candyflip · 01-28-2009, 02:01 PM

Totally, no...but for the most part I already have moved more towards mainstream.

CaptainHowdy · 01-28-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

lame assed yankee style stripping, or badass canadian chucking loonies at twat style stripping?

!

BFT3K · 01-28-2009, 02:45 PM

I am going back to work at the old chicken assembly plant.

I am a certified beak specialist, and I even have a masters degree in beakology!

MichaelP · 01-28-2009, 03:06 PM

I can hardly see myself going back to mainstream corporate world ... I LOVE Adult too much !

Ozarkz · 01-28-2009, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

Renewable energy is going to be big in 09. As are other green/organic subjects. Myself I haven't looked into it yet, but I trust that we'll see more CPA offers opening up soon in this area as the interest grows.

Personally I'd start looking into commission based affiliate networks that stock energy efficient electronics, books & programs on off the grid living, and so forth. I'm sure amazon would be a great place to start looking.

Can't be easy to just jump into that industry.

Robbie · 01-28-2009, 03:21 PM

I'm watching the news and seeing all these companies posting huge losses and massive layoffs. I'm not so sure "mainstream" is going to be all that profitable. I already make more money than any doctor in town, or anybody else that I know in "real life". The only people I personally know that blow me away with revenue generated are other guys in porn. When I'm out and meet guys in retail, or doctors, or lawyers, etc., they're not even close to what we all make in adult. So I'm not sure I could make more in mainstream...I know I failed miserably before at online mainstream back in 2002. With current economic conditions, my fail would only be worse.

notime · 01-28-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I can honestly say I do not see myself ever leaving adult.

I love making my own content, and I have a solid membership bases and sales. My members and customers love our content, and I love basically making my own toe porn for my pleasure. It's nice that others enjoy and help finance it.

The money is simply too good, and every year I make more. My ratios (sig) do not go down, and business keeps plugging away. I am looking forward to adding in some other adult projects to position us for the future. But I am planning to buy out business partner this year (hopefully) and keep things small. Nice and profitable.

That said, I am investing in some mainstream projects as well. Sure there is money in them, but I am really doing my music stuff more for me. Not thinking so much about the money part. Adult is my own personal bank with which I can fund the fun.

There's the entire secret; you love doing it and enjoy working on it. Money comes second. So that's why it works for you and on your surfers in the same way

Agent 488 · 01-28-2009, 03:23 PM

i dunno - if you suck at adult will it really be that easy to make it big in mainstream? doubt it.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 01-28-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozarkz

Can't be easy to just jump into that industry.

Says who?

Violetta · 01-28-2009, 04:05 PM

Mainstream rocks for me now these days!

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 01-28-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by budsbabes

i dunno - if you suck at adult will it really be that easy to make it big in mainstream? doubt it.

adult is a good place to start with zero knowledge. if you have some basic html skrillz, know what a search engine is, and know what makes you blow a hard load, you can get into adult, install wordpress and go hard. what i've learnt in the passed couple of years has definitely eased the transition. i think people who have been in adult for a long time and make the transition to mainstream will notice a much different attitude amongst their peers. it is far more business oriented, people protect their little trade secrets, and help is not always easy to come by.

now if you "suck" at adult, you're probably not going to come in guns blazing, but selling a digital product that is easily ripped off is not an easy game. if you can make sales in adult at all, you're off to a good start with mainstream. you just gotta learn to adjust the way you look at promoting your product. it is a challenging experience, but a rewarding one. much more rewarding than trying to slang overpriced memberships to shit that can be found free 10,000x over...

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 01-28-2009, 04:09 PM

i encourage you all to stay in adult, believe me! what works for one, might not for another. the success i'm seeing in mainstream has me very excited so far though. all i can say is that i wish i had 3 years of mainstream promo behind me as opposed to adult right now!

Nicky · 01-28-2009, 04:09 PM

I'm here to stay.

Nicky · 01-28-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

Not gonna go into what is working for me...

Oh please do

Martin · 01-28-2009, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozarkz

Can't be easy to just jump into that industry.

These guys that say they're going mainstream mean

:P

Ozarkz · 01-28-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

Says who?

Renewable energy? like what? sign up to a MLM? AlienQ isn't going to be buying a windmill any time soon.

Mr Pheer · 01-28-2009, 04:20 PM

I dont do anything new in adult, and havent for a long time. What I have running in adult, all runs on autopilot with minimal input from me.

Been doing mainstream projects for a while, and its well worth my time

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 01-28-2009, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozarkz

Renewable energy? like what? sign up to a MLM? AlienQ isn't going to be buying a windmill any time soon.

You're clueless, stay in adult, you'll fit right in with the majority...

RyuLion · 01-28-2009, 04:26 PM

I never even have to..give up..

bdld · 01-28-2009, 06:02 PM

always diversifying.

GAMEFINEST · 01-28-2009, 06:06 PM

google adwords...

carry on

jmcb420 · 01-28-2009, 08:28 PM

I started online in mainstream and naturally progressed into adult. For me, things have had a steady build up and I cant complain about the way its happened, the money ive made or the money i've spent. I can only cross my fingers and hope that by following my instincts and reinvesting what I make into what made it for me, i'll come out on top.

AJC said it correcty though. You cant download a tangibe product, and if I found a good solid product that I could push the hell out of you could bet your bottom dollar I would. If in doing that, it got big enough to take "adult" off my plate, no problem. Until then, i'm gonna keep rolling with the punches and look for my next oppertunity, be it adult or mainstream.

JamesK · 01-28-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bdld

always diversifying.

Not to mention adult is fun & easier.

Rochard · 01-28-2009, 11:15 PM

This industry used to be easy - put up a TGP and then retire in two years.

I'm expanding my own stuff, which I should have done years ago. I'm seeing some good results. I'm going full bore for 2009.

tony286 · 01-28-2009, 11:17 PM

im in for the long hall but if things change they change.

ExLust · 01-29-2009, 01:42 AM

Still here and will counting.

Sarah_Jayne · 01-29-2009, 04:31 AM

I hope not because it would be a forced move if I did. Though, I do 'dabble' more in mainstream than I used to but it is still a very small aspect of my work.

master_design · 01-29-2009, 04:56 AM

Why would I?

Ethersync · 01-29-2009, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

I been talkin to a few people and they got plans to cut out of the biz sometime this year.

There seems to be alot of opportunities out there outside adult.
I been thinking about shutting adult down sometime this year myself as most of you can probably guess. I am planning on moving to reneweable energy and in the process of setting a few things up in that sector.

But at any rate do you plan on making a transition?

If so what area ya thinking?

You are a designer. What is stopping you from taking mainstream clients now?

How do you plan to move into the "reneweable energy" sector?

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 01-29-2009, 01:58 PM

Loving all the people in here who think it's impossible for someone to come in and profit from the renewable energy industry with little to no investment. If you can profit from Thai ladyboys, you can profit from renewable energy. Seriously, the closeminded thinking around this forum is what is going to have half of you standing in the soup line in a few years. Congratulations on being the honorable captains your are. It takes some balls to hold on to the last minute and go down with the sinking ship. I for one am getting on the life raft and getting to safety.

Alien, if you do get into some projects, hit me up. I'm looking at getting in soon myself. Just holding out a little longer for the right domain. What would you know, available green living and renewable energy domains are next to fucking nonexistant!

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 01-29-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

Loving all the people in here who think it's impossible for someone to come in and profit from the renewable energy industry with little to no invest. if you can profit from thai ladyboys, you can profit from renewable energy...

Some people do not get it. Maybe I just do not understand the porn biz and thats why I have failed all these years in trying shit that just was not meant to be, but so far this renewable energy project is working for me.

Over the years I have passed so many opportunities in non adult work when I should not have. Infact if things go the way they currently are in my Non adult stuff I will be leaving sooner than later.

No sense in chasing somthing that was just not meant to be and I am rather tired of it.

View Poll Results: So whats yer plan?
Pr0n for life I am here to stay!	26	44.83%
Already Have A Mainstream Thing Going It makes me more than porn.	12	20.69%
Contemplating a transition.	10	17.24%
In the process of transition.	10	17.24%
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01-28-2009, 12:48 PM	#1
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Do you plan to break off from adult this year? I been talkin to a few people and they got plans to cut out of the biz sometime this year. There seems to be alot of opportunities out there outside adult. I been thinking about shutting adult down sometime this year myself as most of you can probably guess. I am planning on moving to reneweable energy and in the process of setting a few things up in that sector. But at any rate do you plan on making a transition? If so what area ya thinking? __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

01-28-2009, 01:09 PM	#6
TeenCat Too lazy to set a koala Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: CZ/EU forever! Posts: 16,139	i hope everyone will drop adult so newbies as me will have it alot easier ... __________________ 6bot / Coming again very soon! Svit Zlin Radio 24/7!

01-28-2009, 01:13 PM	#10
Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	I can honestly say I do not see myself ever leaving adult. I love making my own content, and I have a solid membership bases and sales. My members and customers love our content, and I love basically making my own toe porn for my pleasure. It's nice that others enjoy and help finance it. The money is simply too good, and every year I make more. My ratios (sig) do not go down, and business keeps plugging away. I am looking forward to adding in some other adult projects to position us for the future. But I am planning to buy out business partner this year (hopefully) and keep things small. Nice and profitable. That said, I am investing in some mainstream projects as well. Sure there is money in them, but I am really doing my music stuff more for me. Not thinking so much about the money part. Adult is my own personal bank with which I can fund the fun. __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

01-28-2009, 01:26 PM	#13
RayVega Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New York ICQ#348007554 Posts: 4,212	I got into adult in the first place because my real career is executive management. When appointed CEO of a porn company, I went with it. Now i am president of a mainstream firm, but still dabble in adult. It may only be a secondary income stream, but i like the people and the challenge, and I'm a bit of a perv...so it makes sense. __________________ Ray "The Don" Vega Managing Director Private Equity Fund [email protected]

01-28-2009, 12:50 PM	#2
Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life (felis madjewicus) Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In Mom & Dad's Basement Posts: 20,368	I dropped out in fall of 08 and been slowly cleaning out my adult domains and projects since. It's been the best decision i've made in my online career. Tangible goods CAN NOT BE DOWNLOADED. That fact alone should speak for itself. There ain't no fat girls out there downloading Acai Berry and Wu Yi Tea.....

01-28-2009, 01:03 PM	#4
Xrated J Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Daytona Beach Posts: 4,347	im not yet, but i have heard a few people i know talkin about it

01-28-2009, 01:12 PM	#9
starpimps Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: internets Posts: 6,954	yep started in December...still going to do adult but its just not going to take up as much time as it had before

01-28-2009, 01:34 PM	#15
CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 93,565	I will be back to strip-dancing...

01-28-2009, 02:01 PM	#18
candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,064	Totally, no...but for the most part I already have moved more towards mainstream. __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me

01-28-2009, 02:45 PM	#20
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	I am going back to work at the old chicken assembly plant. I am a certified beak specialist, and I even have a masters degree in beakology!

01-28-2009, 03:06 PM	#21
MichaelP Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: QWEBEC Corporate Office Posts: 7,124	I can hardly see myself going back to mainstream corporate world ... I LOVE Adult too much !

01-28-2009, 03:21 PM	#23
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	I'm watching the news and seeing all these companies posting huge losses and massive layoffs. I'm not so sure "mainstream" is going to be all that profitable. I already make more money than any doctor in town, or anybody else that I know in "real life". The only people I personally know that blow me away with revenue generated are other guys in porn. When I'm out and meet guys in retail, or doctors, or lawyers, etc., they're not even close to what we all make in adult. So I'm not sure I could make more in mainstream...I know I failed miserably before at online mainstream back in 2002. With current economic conditions, my fail would only be worse. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

01-28-2009, 03:23 PM	#25
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	i dunno - if you suck at adult will it really be that easy to make it big in mainstream? doubt it.

01-28-2009, 04:05 PM	#27
Violetta Affiliate Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 28,735	Mainstream rocks for me now these days! __________________ M&A Queen

01-28-2009, 04:09 PM	#29
Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life (felis madjewicus) Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In Mom & Dad's Basement Posts: 20,368	i encourage you all to stay in adult, believe me! what works for one, might not for another. the success i'm seeing in mainstream has me very excited so far though. all i can say is that i wish i had 3 years of mainstream promo behind me as opposed to adult right now!

01-28-2009, 04:09 PM	#30
Nicky Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,069	I'm here to stay. __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com

01-28-2009, 04:20 PM	#34
Mr Pheer Retired Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21,220	I dont do anything new in adult, and havent for a long time. What I have running in adult, all runs on autopilot with minimal input from me. Been doing mainstream projects for a while, and its well worth my time __________________ 2 lifeguards for Jessica

01-28-2009, 04:26 PM	#36
RyuLion ClubDomCash.com Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 32,258	I never even have to..give up.. __________________ Adult Biz Consultant A tech head since 1995

01-28-2009, 06:02 PM	#37
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	always diversifying.

01-28-2009, 06:06 PM	#38
GAMEFINEST Make STACK$ Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: sexy time Posts: 14,436	google adwords... carry on __________________ Compound interest.

01-28-2009, 08:28 PM	#39
jmcb420 So Fucking Drunk Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,155	I started online in mainstream and naturally progressed into adult. For me, things have had a steady build up and I cant complain about the way its happened, the money ive made or the money i've spent. I can only cross my fingers and hope that by following my instincts and reinvesting what I make into what made it for me, i'll come out on top. AJC said it correcty though. You cant download a tangibe product, and if I found a good solid product that I could push the hell out of you could bet your bottom dollar I would. If in doing that, it got big enough to take "adult" off my plate, no problem. Until then, i'm gonna keep rolling with the punches and look for my next oppertunity, be it adult or mainstream. __________________ I'm funner than AIDS, and easier to explain to your parents.

01-28-2009, 11:15 PM	#41
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 73,976	This industry used to be easy - put up a TGP and then retire in two years. I'm expanding my own stuff, which I should have done years ago. I'm seeing some good results. I'm going full bore for 2009. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

01-28-2009, 11:17 PM	#42
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	im in for the long hall but if things change they change.

01-29-2009, 01:42 AM	#43
ExLust Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,223	Still here and will counting. __________________ BE A PARTNER

01-29-2009, 04:31 AM	#44
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	I hope not because it would be a forced move if I did. Though, I do 'dabble' more in mainstream than I used to but it is still a very small aspect of my work.

01-29-2009, 04:56 AM	#45
master_design Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 772	Why would I?

01-29-2009, 01:58 PM	#47
Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life (felis madjewicus) Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In Mom & Dad's Basement Posts: 20,368	Loving all the people in here who think it's impossible for someone to come in and profit from the renewable energy industry with little to no investment. If you can profit from Thai ladyboys, you can profit from renewable energy. Seriously, the closeminded thinking around this forum is what is going to have half of you standing in the soup line in a few years. Congratulations on being the honorable captains your are. It takes some balls to hold on to the last minute and go down with the sinking ship. I for one am getting on the life raft and getting to safety. Alien, if you do get into some projects, hit me up. I'm looking at getting in soon myself. Just holding out a little longer for the right domain. What would you know, available green living and renewable energy domains are next to fucking nonexistant! Last edited by Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life; 01-29-2009 at 02:02 PM..