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RRRED · 02-02-2009, 10:15 PM

Can you tell me the story of your first book? More of how to get an editor, print, and publishing. Any info would be greatly appreciated. I think I got something special here and I want to go about it the right way. I don't think I'll be writing just one either. But I'm a newbie! Help!

Libertine · 02-02-2009, 10:24 PM

If it's any good, contact a number of established agents.

Most publishers, these days, just ignore the bulk of manuscripts that get sent to them. Keep in mind, hundreds of thousands of books are written each year, and many of them never get published.

tony286 · 02-02-2009, 10:26 PM

if memory serves me right 12 clicks wrote a book on gambling that was published.

RRRED · 02-02-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

if memory serves me right 12 clicks wrote a book on gambling that was published.

Haha, no shit? I never heard that before. Nice! I wonder what he made off of it.

I haven't really broken it down into what the theme will be exactly. I have written a ton of stuff just to get things off my chest and I repeatedly have people telling me to write a book. I gotta organize it right and I think I could make it go. I could be wrong but I'd love to hear peoples experiences. Is it worth the bother?

Sly · 02-02-2009, 10:37 PM

Not to sound like a dick, but if you have to ask whether or not it's "worth the bother", I don't think it's for you. :-) It isn't just something you do over the summer, it takes a lot of work and organization and planning and editing etc. etc. etc. And you aren't going to get rich off of it either, you probably won't make much if anything at all. If you want to do it simply to share a story or share your story, go for it.

Libertine · 02-02-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RRRED

I haven't really broken it down into what the theme will be exactly. [...] Is it worth the bother?

You haven't actually written it yet and you're wondering if it's worth it? Then no, it isn't.

Chances of making any decent money with it are very slim, and it is guaranteed to take a lot of time. Only if it is something you would do regardless of it being "worth it", you should do it. Unless you're a celebrity, of course. No matter what crap they write, it will sell.

RRRED · 02-02-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Not to sound like a dick, but if you have to ask whether or not it's "worth the bother", I don't think it's for you. :-) It isn't just something you do over the summer, it takes a lot of work and organization and planning and editing etc. etc. etc. And you aren't going to get rich off of it either, you probably won't make much if anything at all. If you want to do it simply to share a story or share your story, go for it.

Exactly.. I could care less about money. But I know it costs money to start but I'm unsure how hard it really is. I have the time, the means, and believe me the stories and I really think it could benefit others, which is my true goal. I'm out in the woods by myself now so it's the perfect time to do it. I already kinda started but I need to organize and narrow things down on how I wanna lay this out. So I've put a halt on it cuz I really wanna do this the right way.

And we all know you're a dick

*smooch

WiredGuy · 02-02-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

if memory serves me right 12 clicks wrote a book on gambling that was published.

Seriously? I'd like to read it

WG

RRRED · 02-02-2009, 10:45 PM

Plus... when I do anything or experience anything in my life, I've learned, that it tends to be very extreme. I am trying to prepare for the success, not the failure, really. If it didn't sell, big deal. But what if it exploded into some big huge thing? Things always turn out very crazy for me. Failing wouldn't be crazy. If it exploded, shit. I dunno what I would do.

tony286 · 02-02-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Seriously? I'd like to read it

WG

If I remember correctly someone had posted here it was years ago.

kane · 02-02-2009, 10:52 PM

I'm in the process right now. I recently signed a development deal with a publisher so I can give you some insight.

First if you haven't published before and you don't have a body of published work you need to write you book first. (If you have some publishing credits you might be able to get an agent with an outline and your resume, but it will be very difficult.) Rewrite it and work your ass on it to make it as good as possible. You can search online or in your local library they should have a book in the reference section that gives info on agents and editors. You can contact an editor and pay them to edit your book. If you can find someone to edit it for $500-$1000 I would do it ( I can give you some advice on how to pick someone if you want.) At the very least you will be getting some objective input and some good ideas. Take the ideas from the ghost editor and rewrite the book again.

When you feel you have the book as good as you can then use that agent book again to start contacting agents. Send them a kick ass one page cover letter that describes the book and introduces you. If they want to read the book they will contact you and ask for a copy. When they ask send it to them and wait. It could take a while to hear back, but when you do expect to be rejected. Most agents will at least take the time to give you some notes on your book. I actually had an agent call me to reject me, but she spent an hour on the phone with me giving me some great ideas and telling me she wanted me to rewrite the book then send it to her when I was done because she thought I really showed some talent. Don't get upset, take them to heart and maybe consider rewriting yet again.

Eventually, if things work out you will eventually find an agent who will then work to get you a publisher. Once you have the publisher on board they will give you an editor and you will work with them. Chances are you will be rewriting the book again. This is a person you should listen very closely to. They know what sells and know what makes a good book so take everything they say to heart and don't be afraid to debate them and be passionate. As long as you are respectful, they will actually like your passion and you will learn a ton from this person (if they are any good)

When the book is finally ready for print they publish and get it in the stores and put you to work promoting and selling the book.

I'm on the part where I am working with the editor to polish the book and make it as good as it can possibly be.

It is a tough road, but if you are persistent and have a good idea for a book, you can make it happen.

RRRED · 02-02-2009, 11:17 PM

Excellent post, kane! Exactly what I was looking for.

May I ask the details of your personal book??? I'm curious now.

Oh and I see you're in Portland ;) Are the the same kane I'm thinking of from like 2005?

Plutonium Richard · 02-02-2009, 11:24 PM

I published mine with a print-on-demand publisher. I went with lulu.com because there were no set up fees. Basically, you upload your word processor files in order, and then your cover art (you can use one of their template), and for a flat fee they'll print it for you in paperback (and I think they can do hardcover now).

Unfortunately, it's true that few authors get published, and even those who do get little if any promotion support from the publisher. So you are still responsible for your own PR. Even if you did get published, you'd make about $1/book sold. So publish yourself, you gotta do your own marketing anyway, and keep more of the money.

doridori · 02-02-2009, 11:28 PM

what about those places where they print according to demand.

doridori · 02-02-2009, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Plutonium Richard

I published mine with a print-on-demand publisher. I went with lulu.com because there were no set up fees. Basically, you upload your word processor files in order, and then your cover art (you can use one of their template), and for a flat fee they'll print it for you in paperback (and I think they can do hardcover now).

Unfortunately, it's true that few authors get published, and even those who do get little if any promotion support from the publisher. So you are still responsible for your own PR. Even if you did get published, you'd make about $1/book sold. So publish yourself, you gotta do your own marketing anyway, and keep more of the money.

any problems with lulu so far? i tried booksurge, but heard bad things about booksurge.

kane · 02-02-2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RRRED

Excellent post, kane! Exactly what I was looking for.

May I ask the details of your personal book??? I'm curious now.

Oh and I see you're in Portland ;) Are the the same kane I'm thinking of from like 2005?

No prob. Glad to help. Yep. I have been around since around 1999 so I am the same Kane

. I didn't know you were involved with xxxrewards. I write for them so I talk to Jeff and Charles all the time. They are good guys.

My book is a fiction book that is a mystery/thriller. Basically the story is about a woman who got married at 18 and 21 years later at age 39 her husband is on his death bed. He is dying from a brain tumor and on said death bed he confesses to her that for the last 3 years he has been killing people. He dies and she assumes he was hallucinating because the guy she claimed to be was killing someone 600 miles away while he was in the hospital. She then starts to find out little things that get her thinking that maybe he was living some kid of double life. With the help of the private eye she discovers that he was in fact killing people and that he may have had a partner. What she doesn't know is that the partner is now coming after her to eliminate her before she can learn his identity and bring his fun to an end.

Agent 488 · 02-02-2009, 11:54 PM

book publishing is in a wack state right now - it's hard to figure out what publishers want when they can't even judge the current marketplace themselves.

heymatty · 02-03-2009, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

No prob. Glad to help. Yep. I have been around since around 1999 so I am the same Kane

. I didn't know you were involved with xxxrewards. I write for them so I talk to Jeff and Charles all the time. They are good guys.

My book is a fiction book that is a mystery/thriller. Basically the story is about a woman who got married at 18 and 21 years later at age 39 her husband is on his death bed. He is dying from a brain tumor and on said death bed he confesses to her that for the last 3 years he has been killing people. He dies and she assumes he was hallucinating because the guy she claimed to be was killing someone 600 miles away while he was in the hospital. She then starts to find out little things that get her thinking that maybe he was living some kid of double life. With the help of the private eye she discovers that he was in fact killing people and that he may have had a partner. What she doesn't know is that the partner is now coming after her to eliminate her before she can learn his identity and bring his fun to an end.

I'd watch that movie

SoloGirlsContent · 02-03-2009, 12:02 AM

I've written and published over 300 comic books, RAZOR being the flagship title..over 5million issues in circulation..still heavily traded on Ebay after 9 years of writing nothing..still have a nice cult following..I will be releasing a new vampire graphic novel in 09..hopefully it'll be enough to get out of the adult once and for all

WiredGuy · 02-03-2009, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

My book is a fiction book that is a mystery/thriller. Basically the story is about a woman who got married at 18 and 21 years later at age 39 her husband is on his death bed. He is dying from a brain tumor and on said death bed he confesses to her that for the last 3 years he has been killing people. He dies and she assumes he was hallucinating because the guy she claimed to be was killing someone 600 miles away while he was in the hospital. She then starts to find out little things that get her thinking that maybe he was living some kid of double life. With the help of the private eye she discovers that he was in fact killing people and that he may have had a partner. What she doesn't know is that the partner is now coming after her to eliminate her before she can learn his identity and bring his fun to an end.

I'm not an avid book reader but that sounds really good. best of luck.
WG

Libertine · 02-03-2009, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

No prob. Glad to help. Yep. I have been around since around 1999 so I am the same Kane

. I didn't know you were involved with xxxrewards. I write for them so I talk to Jeff and Charles all the time. They are good guys.

My book is a fiction book that is a mystery/thriller. Basically the story is about a woman who got married at 18 and 21 years later at age 39 her husband is on his death bed. He is dying from a brain tumor and on said death bed he confesses to her that for the last 3 years he has been killing people. He dies and she assumes he was hallucinating because the guy she claimed to be was killing someone 600 miles away while he was in the hospital. She then starts to find out little things that get her thinking that maybe he was living some kid of double life. With the help of the private eye she discovers that he was in fact killing people and that he may have had a partner. What she doesn't know is that the partner is now coming after her to eliminate her before she can learn his identity and bring his fun to an end.

Sounds a bit like Gothika.

Profits of Doom · 02-03-2009, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by simonsyinister

I've written and published over 300 comic books, RAZOR being the flagship title..over 5million issues in circulation..still heavily traded on Ebay after 9 years of writing nothing..still have a nice cult following..I will be releasing a new vampire graphic novel in 09..hopefully it'll be enough to get out of the adult once and for all

The same Razor that did a mini series with The Crow in the '90's?

SoloGirlsContent · 02-03-2009, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

The same Razor that did a mini series with The Crow in the '90's?

yep that's me..that was my last series in 1999..retired, started to do porn at AEBN in 2000

Profits of Doom · 02-03-2009, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by simonsyinister

yep that's me..that was my last series in 1999..retired, started to do porn at AEBN in 2000

Damn man, I used to love that book. It's probably been since 2000 that I collected, but I loved that series. I'd have to dig through all my old boxes since my ex was also really into that title and she took a bunch with her, but I bet I have a ton of your books...

$5 submissions · 02-03-2009, 12:48 AM

My stuff got published in an obscure academic journal. Does that count?

After Shock Media · 02-03-2009, 12:56 AM

In many ways the book industry is a lot like the record industry. The hits finance all of the failures.

I did hear from a friend who has written several books that some of the publishers are either talking about or already changing one of the ways they do things. Instead of giving authors advances to get a book done, where that money would be recouped out of future sales (hopefully) and then possibly a small percentage would kick in after that threshold. To one where they would not give up an advance and the author would get money per book sold. According to my friend he stands to make a bit more going that route since he does have the money to carry him through writing a book and does not need the advance to do it. He also feels that publishers would be more apt to publish a bit more risky books using that format as their risk is greatly diminished.

sexandcash · 02-03-2009, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

No prob. Glad to help. Yep. I have been around since around 1999 so I am the same Kane

. I didn't know you were involved with xxxrewards. I write for them so I talk to Jeff and Charles all the time. They are good guys.

My book is a fiction book that is a mystery/thriller. Basically the story is about a woman who got married at 18 and 21 years later at age 39 her husband is on his death bed. He is dying from a brain tumor and on said death bed he confesses to her that for the last 3 years he has been killing people. He dies and she assumes he was hallucinating because the guy she claimed to be was killing someone 600 miles away while he was in the hospital. She then starts to find out little things that get her thinking that maybe he was living some kid of double life. With the help of the private eye she discovers that he was in fact killing people and that he may have had a partner. What she doesn't know is that the partner is now coming after her to eliminate her before she can learn his identity and bring his fun to an end.

wow....how cool
I am a writer myself.
I have never written an actual book but write countless short stories and wrote 2 university funded research papers for university (both were between 80-120 pages so they were more like books)
My dream is to write a realistic fiction novel....I have thought about the content for the last year or so and will write....I'd love to speak to you about this process...I'm not looking to be rich or famous but I do know that I have a great story to tell...I would love it if you hit me up on ICQ or through email. I would love to speak to someone who is familiar with this process. For me it is not a matter of if, just when I will do it.
Cheers to writers everywhere....whatever it is that you write

kane · 02-03-2009, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by heymatty

I'd watch that movie

Thanks. The idea of it being a movie would rock. I can't imagine how cool that would be.

kane · 02-03-2009, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I'm not an avid book reader but that sounds really good. best of luck.
WG

Thanks for the kind words.

kane · 02-03-2009, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

Sounds a bit like Gothika.

I never saw it. I remember the commercials for it though. Is that the one that has Halle Berry in it? Is it any good?

kane · 02-03-2009, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sexandcash

wow....how cool
I am a writer myself.
I have never written an actual book but write countless short stories and wrote 2 university funded research papers for university (both were between 80-120 pages so they were more like books)
My dream is to write a realistic fiction novel....I have thought about the content for the last year or so and will write....I'd love to speak to you about this process...I'm not looking to be rich or famous but I do know that I have a great story to tell...I would love it if you hit me up on ICQ or through email. I would love to speak to someone who is familiar with this process. For me it is not a matter of if, just when I will do it.
Cheers to writers everywhere....whatever it is that you write

sure thing. My ICQ is all screwed up the last few days, so I will shoot you over an email.

sexandcash · 02-03-2009, 01:52 AM

that would be a really awesome movie by the way kane.....who would you have in the starring roles as the wife, dying husband, private eye and guy who is going to kill the wife? I'm just curious to know....

NickB. · 02-03-2009, 01:54 AM

I wanna publish one for friends only

kane · 02-03-2009, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sexandcash

that would be a really awesome movie by the way kane.....who would you have in the starring roles as the wife, dying husband, private eye and guy who is going to kill the wife? I'm just curious to know....

I hadn't given it a lot of thought. I really don't know about the wife, maybe Jennifer Connelly or Kate Winslet. it would be a pretty emotional role so it would take someone that can go down some pretty dark place. The private eye might be someone like Clive Davis or Edward Norton (dream cast talking here

) and the guy coming after the wife, that would be tough. Oddly enough as I have written his parts I envisioned Tom Cruise. When he wants to be evil, he can project evil like he did in Interview With The Vampire. It would be such a different role for him, but he is the person I have had in my head as I wrote the scenes with him in it.

There are other cops, FBI agents, a journalist and others and most of those are smaller parts so I haven't even given it much of a thought save the lead FBI agent who I see as being someone like Ed Harris

RRRED · 02-03-2009, 02:12 AM

kane! You should talk to chris mallick. Seriously!

Libertine · 02-03-2009, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

I never saw it. I remember the commercials for it though. Is that the one that has Halle Berry in it? Is it any good?

Not exactly great, but that's mainly because of bad acting.

It might be worth watching anyway, so you can avoid writing anything too similar (since it's also mostly about a woman whose dead husband turns out to have been a murderer, with a partner who's now coming after her).

kane · 02-03-2009, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

Not exactly great, but that's mainly because of bad acting.

It might be worth watching anyway, so you can avoid writing anything too similar (since it's also mostly about a woman whose dead husband turns out to have been a murderer, with a partner who's now coming after her).

I'll check it out. thanks

kane · 02-03-2009, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RRRED

kane! You should talk to chris mallick. Seriously!

That name is familiar, but I can't seem to place it. What does he do?

RedShoe · 02-03-2009, 05:24 AM

RRRED,

I worked on a book called "Heverly" I shot 17 of the 22 images for the book. It was a children's book written by an ex-ex-boss when I was still in FX. I was pretty much with him since the beginning.

People are telling you to write the book first, blah blah blah... bullshit.

What my boss did was shot the cover picture (it's an elf riding on the back of a dragon fly) The dragonfly was like 18" long, but you're supposed to think it's a regular dragonfly... whatever, you get the idea.

Ok, so he shot the cover image, and wrote a few chapters of the story. He opened it with a little bit of a back story that was intended for the publisher to get an understanding of the story, then he kicks in with the 'sample chapters' the whole thing was like 4 or 5 pages, and he had that bound with a cheap plastic spiral binding from kinkos of all places.

It didn't matter, he knew that once they saw the imagery and the writing they'd either buy it or not. They knew they cover and the binding and all the half-assed shit was just to give the publisher an idea of what it was going to look like. It was just a mock-up.

So he sent it out to a few publishers, and sure enough one picked it up and bought the rights to distribute.

Since he wasn't sure if anyone would buy he didn't invest any $$$ into creating the other scenes. Once it was purchased, we built all these bad ass sets, and I was able to shoot some really cool imagery for it. He and I both pulled all nighters working on photoshop to really make it a cool little book.

His main problems.
1) he wasn't willing to go out an promote it.
2) he didn't know his target audience. The subject matter is geared towards a young adult, but the imagery is more for younger kids. And even though there are 22 images in the book, it's pretty text heavy for little kids. So he kinda missed the target audience.

The publishers set him up with a co-writter to help target the audience, he refused their offer. Also, the editors were able to coach him along in the writting.

So before you go off and write a whole fucking book, send out the storyline with some sample chapters of your writing to as many publishers as you can. No one is going to read the whole book anyway. They just want to see if the book is saleable, and if it is, they'll buy it.

Think of it as promoting a site that's not 100% ready. You put a girl out there to see if anyone bites. If they do, you move forward with a full launch. If not, you find another girl and move on.

The Duck · 02-03-2009, 05:25 AM

Sell it through clickbank :D:DD

tranza · 02-03-2009, 05:35 AM

Yea, "Diary of a Loser" and "How to be loser in 7 steps: For dummies".

ExLust · 02-03-2009, 06:04 AM

Author Solutions Inc.

HorseShit · 02-03-2009, 07:08 AM

I'll have to ask my author friends

slapass · 02-03-2009, 07:37 AM

My friend just wrote a book. He did it through Author House. It is in the big online stores.
http://www.amazon.com/You-Cant-That-...71797&sr= 8-1

Very friendly person if you want details. You can contact him through www.jimburmeister.com

oceania · 02-03-2009, 11:05 AM

hi email me if you want a professional behind you -
i have a friend that helps writers get their work ready for agents and getting published she has been both self published and with agent/contract...

she has edited several books too
her credentials are all mainstream

SoloGirlsContent · 02-03-2009, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

Damn man, I used to love that book. It's probably been since 2000 that I collected, but I loved that series. I'd have to dig through all my old boxes since my ex was also really into that title and she took a bunch with her, but I bet I have a ton of your books...

damn ..thanks man.. it makes me feel good to hear that

quantum-x · 02-03-2009, 11:49 AM

http://www.lulu.com/

Everything from publishing to selling. It's like the cafe press of books.

HorseShit · 02-03-2009, 12:00 PM

guy that founded lulu was also the founder of Redhat Linux

Peaches · 02-03-2009, 12:05 PM

One of my best friends just published a book. It took her several years to find a publisher and it was in editing for another 9 months - 1 year. She's in the entertainment biz with a small syndicated TV show and already had an agent so I'm sure that helped. It comes out this month and she'll be touring bookstores. She better give me an autographed copy ;)

Another guy I know published about 2 years ago and it took him 3+ years from start to finish.

Self publishing is easy, but then you have to find buyers. If you look at Amazon and see all the books that are under the top 500 you see that while a LOT of books can get published, that doesn't mean a lot are going to sell.

spacedog · 02-03-2009, 12:08 PM

While I never had a book published, I have several short works published in newspapers, anthologies, compilations and magazines.

At one point in my life, my goal was to have a series of horror novels published, however, the house burned down and I lost all my manuscripts.

I was a member to Writers Guild of America and I HIGHLY RECOMMEND you take advantage of the resources they offer and also get the must have book for any writer, the Writer's Guide to Editors and Publishers.

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RRRED Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WA Posts: 6,754	Who here has published a book? Can you tell me the story of your first book? More of how to get an editor, print, and publishing. Any info would be greatly appreciated. I think I got something special here and I want to go about it the right way. I don't think I'll be writing just one either. But I'm a newbie! Help!

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SoloGirlsContent So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Mother fuckin Earth Posts: 5,013	I've written and published over 300 comic books, RAZOR being the flagship title..over 5million issues in circulation..still heavily traded on Ebay after 9 years of writing nothing..still have a nice cult following..I will be releasing a new vampire graphic novel in 09..hopefully it'll be enough to get out of the adult once and for all Last edited by SoloGirlsContent; 02-03-2009 at 12:03 AM..

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RRRED Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WA Posts: 6,754	Plus... when I do anything or experience anything in my life, I've learned, that it tends to be very extreme. I am trying to prepare for the success, not the failure, really. If it didn't sell, big deal. But what if it exploded into some big huge thing? Things always turn out very crazy for me. Failing wouldn't be crazy. If it exploded, shit. I dunno what I would do.

02-02-2009, 10:52 PM	#11
kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	I'm in the process right now. I recently signed a development deal with a publisher so I can give you some insight. First if you haven't published before and you don't have a body of published work you need to write you book first. (If you have some publishing credits you might be able to get an agent with an outline and your resume, but it will be very difficult.) Rewrite it and work your ass on it to make it as good as possible. You can search online or in your local library they should have a book in the reference section that gives info on agents and editors. You can contact an editor and pay them to edit your book. If you can find someone to edit it for $500-$1000 I would do it ( I can give you some advice on how to pick someone if you want.) At the very least you will be getting some objective input and some good ideas. Take the ideas from the ghost editor and rewrite the book again. When you feel you have the book as good as you can then use that agent book again to start contacting agents. Send them a kick ass one page cover letter that describes the book and introduces you. If they want to read the book they will contact you and ask for a copy. When they ask send it to them and wait. It could take a while to hear back, but when you do expect to be rejected. Most agents will at least take the time to give you some notes on your book. I actually had an agent call me to reject me, but she spent an hour on the phone with me giving me some great ideas and telling me she wanted me to rewrite the book then send it to her when I was done because she thought I really showed some talent. Don't get upset, take them to heart and maybe consider rewriting yet again. Eventually, if things work out you will eventually find an agent who will then work to get you a publisher. Once you have the publisher on board they will give you an editor and you will work with them. Chances are you will be rewriting the book again. This is a person you should listen very closely to. They know what sells and know what makes a good book so take everything they say to heart and don't be afraid to debate them and be passionate. As long as you are respectful, they will actually like your passion and you will learn a ton from this person (if they are any good) When the book is finally ready for print they publish and get it in the stores and put you to work promoting and selling the book. I'm on the part where I am working with the editor to polish the book and make it as good as it can possibly be. It is a tough road, but if you are persistent and have a good idea for a book, you can make it happen.

02-02-2009, 11:17 PM	#12
RRRED Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WA Posts: 6,754	Excellent post, kane! Exactly what I was looking for. May I ask the details of your personal book??? I'm curious now. Oh and I see you're in Portland ;) Are the the same kane I'm thinking of from like 2005?

02-02-2009, 11:28 PM	#14
doridori So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Canadia Posts: 2,222	what about those places where they print according to demand.

02-02-2009, 11:54 PM	#17
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	book publishing is in a wack state right now - it's hard to figure out what publishers want when they can't even judge the current marketplace themselves.

02-03-2009, 12:48 AM	#25
$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	My stuff got published in an obscure academic journal. Does that count? __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants

02-03-2009, 12:56 AM	#26
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	In many ways the book industry is a lot like the record industry. The hits finance all of the failures. I did hear from a friend who has written several books that some of the publishers are either talking about or already changing one of the ways they do things. Instead of giving authors advances to get a book done, where that money would be recouped out of future sales (hopefully) and then possibly a small percentage would kick in after that threshold. To one where they would not give up an advance and the author would get money per book sold. According to my friend he stands to make a bit more going that route since he does have the money to carry him through writing a book and does not need the advance to do it. He also feels that publishers would be more apt to publish a bit more risky books using that format as their risk is greatly diminished. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

02-03-2009, 01:52 AM	#32
sexandcash Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 1,566	that would be a really awesome movie by the way kane.....who would you have in the starring roles as the wife, dying husband, private eye and guy who is going to kill the wife? I'm just curious to know.... __________________ SexandCash ICQ: 490-947-295

02-03-2009, 01:54 AM	#33
NickB. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,855	I wanna publish one for friends only

02-03-2009, 02:12 AM	#35
RRRED Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WA Posts: 6,754	kane! You should talk to chris mallick. Seriously!

02-03-2009, 05:24 AM	#39
RedShoe 赤い靴 call me 202-456-1111 Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The Valley Posts: 14,831	RRRED, I worked on a book called "Heverly" I shot 17 of the 22 images for the book. It was a children's book written by an ex-ex-boss when I was still in FX. I was pretty much with him since the beginning. People are telling you to write the book first, blah blah blah... bullshit. What my boss did was shot the cover picture (it's an elf riding on the back of a dragon fly) The dragonfly was like 18" long, but you're supposed to think it's a regular dragonfly... whatever, you get the idea. Ok, so he shot the cover image, and wrote a few chapters of the story. He opened it with a little bit of a back story that was intended for the publisher to get an understanding of the story, then he kicks in with the 'sample chapters' the whole thing was like 4 or 5 pages, and he had that bound with a cheap plastic spiral binding from kinkos of all places. It didn't matter, he knew that once they saw the imagery and the writing they'd either buy it or not. They knew they cover and the binding and all the half-assed shit was just to give the publisher an idea of what it was going to look like. It was just a mock-up. So he sent it out to a few publishers, and sure enough one picked it up and bought the rights to distribute. Since he wasn't sure if anyone would buy he didn't invest any $$$ into creating the other scenes. Once it was purchased, we built all these bad ass sets, and I was able to shoot some really cool imagery for it. He and I both pulled all nighters working on photoshop to really make it a cool little book. His main problems. 1) he wasn't willing to go out an promote it. 2) he didn't know his target audience. The subject matter is geared towards a young adult, but the imagery is more for younger kids. And even though there are 22 images in the book, it's pretty text heavy for little kids. So he kinda missed the target audience. The publishers set him up with a co-writter to help target the audience, he refused their offer. Also, the editors were able to coach him along in the writting. So before you go off and write a whole fucking book, send out the storyline with some sample chapters of your writing to as many publishers as you can. No one is going to read the whole book anyway. They just want to see if the book is saleable, and if it is, they'll buy it. Think of it as promoting a site that's not 100% ready. You put a girl out there to see if anyone bites. If they do, you move forward with a full launch. If not, you find another girl and move on. __________________ SPECIALTY COSTUMES • PROPS • FX Superheroes • Monsters • Robots PM for details For any manufacturing needs. Adult or otherwise. aka BonsHigh on Insta Bonsai weed plants

02-03-2009, 05:25 AM	#40
The Duck Adult Content Provider Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 18,243	Sell it through clickbank :D:DD __________________ Skype Horusmaia ICQ 41555245 Email [email protected]

02-03-2009, 05:35 AM	#41
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Yea, "Diary of a Loser" and "How to be loser in 7 steps: For dummies". __________________ I'm just a newbie.

02-03-2009, 06:04 AM	#42
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02-03-2009, 07:08 AM	#43
HorseShit Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,513	I'll have to ask my author friends

02-03-2009, 07:37 AM	#44
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	My friend just wrote a book. He did it through Author House. It is in the big online stores. http://www.amazon.com/You-Cant-That-...71797&sr= 8-1 Very friendly person if you want details. You can contact him through www.jimburmeister.com

02-03-2009, 11:05 AM	#45
oceania Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: on the web Posts: 547	hi email me if you want a professional behind you - i have a friend that helps writers get their work ready for agents and getting published she has been both self published and with agent/contract... she has edited several books too her credentials are all mainstream __________________ Radio Dentata - 24/7 internet radio - Uncensored, sexy, informative. Covering B2B and B2C weekly shows. you can follow us on twitter: @radiodentata

02-03-2009, 11:49 AM	#47
quantum-x Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ICQ: 251425 Fr/Au/Ca Posts: 6,863	http://www.lulu.com/ Everything from publishing to selling. It's like the cafe press of books. __________________ PrettyInCash.com - BoozedGFs.com - TeenGFs.com - JizzGFs.com- MilfUploads.com -

02-03-2009, 12:00 PM	#48
HorseShit Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,513	guy that founded lulu was also the founder of Redhat Linux

02-03-2009, 12:05 PM	#49
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	One of my best friends just published a book. It took her several years to find a publisher and it was in editing for another 9 months - 1 year. She's in the entertainment biz with a small syndicated TV show and already had an agent so I'm sure that helped. It comes out this month and she'll be touring bookstores. She better give me an autographed copy ;) Another guy I know published about 2 years ago and it took him 3+ years from start to finish. Self publishing is easy, but then you have to find buyers. If you look at Amazon and see all the books that are under the top 500 you see that while a LOT of books can get published, that doesn't mean a lot are going to sell.

02-03-2009, 12:08 PM	#50
spacedog Yes that IS me. Bitch. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 14,149	While I never had a book published, I have several short works published in newspapers, anthologies, compilations and magazines. At one point in my life, my goal was to have a series of horror novels published, however, the house burned down and I lost all my manuscripts. I was a member to Writers Guild of America and I HIGHLY RECOMMEND you take advantage of the resources they offer and also get the must have book for any writer, the Writer's Guide to Editors and Publishers. Last edited by spacedog; 02-03-2009 at 12:09 PM..