how the adult industry killed itself

[DaddyHalbucks]

1. Get in the game ASAP! Create zillions of "tube" sites and educate consumers that they can get free porn there and condition consumers not to pay for adult entertainment.

2. Support the tubes! Advertise and do business with tube sites. Sell them traffic and buy their traffic.

RINSE and repeat.

In no time at all.. you will see a massive decline in sales! You will see your content everywhere on the net, in the P2Ps and in the torrents.. you are now famous. It is now time to jump up and down with joy!!

If you ever get worried about this 'business plan,' just slurp down a few cold beers, spark up a blunt, and keep telling yourself this:

if I don't do business with the tubes my competitors will...if I don't do business with the tubes my competitors will...if I don't do business with the tubes my competitors will...if I don't do business with the tubes my competitors will...if I don't do business with the tubes my competitors will...if I don't do business with the tubes my competitors will...if I don't do business with the tubes my competitors will...if I don't do business with the tubes my competitors will...if I don't do business with the tubes my competitors will...if I don't do business with the tubes my competitors will...

Final step is to get a real job.. and sell the Lambo.

[GatorB]

Yep before 2 years ago there wasn't any free porn.

You do realize without tubes, mpgs, TGPs, picposts etc. People would be getting free porn the same way they are getting their free music, movies and TV shows. If people don't give a fuck about stealing stuff that's considered "legitimate" they certianly wouldn't have any qualms about stelaing porn.

It's kind of funny that Hulu( a non porn TUBE site that gives out whole episiodes of shows for FREE ) actually INCREASES viewership of network shows when they are on TV. Hmmmm.

[Loch]

I find it funny that when a business as a whole changes people always point towards one thing that they dont like, instead of changing with the trends.

What does whining get you?

[mynameisjim]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Yep before 2 years ago there wasn't any free porn.

You do realize without tubes, mpgs, TGPs, picposts etc. People would be getting free porn the same way they are getting their free music, movies and TV shows. If people don't give a fuck about stealing stuff that's considered "legitimate" they certianly wouldn't have any qualms about stelaing porn.

It's kind of funny that Hulu( a non porn TUBE site that gives out whole episiodes of shows for FREE ) actually INCREASES viewership of network shows when they are on TV. Hmmmm.

Two points I respectfully disagree with.

1) Yes, if it wasn't for tubes, people could still get free site rips via torrents. But EVERYONE can use a tube site. Believe it or not, a large percentage of people have no interest in learning how to use torrent sites and never will.

2) Yes, Hulu does increase viewership of shows but the producers of the shows are CONTROLLING the way their product is released. That is hardly the case with illegal tube sites. I would have no problem if every illegal porn tube operated like Hulu. But you know the big tubes don't do that.

Look, the business has changed and that's fine with me. You can still make money in porn. But you can't say illegal tube sites are neutral or actually a positive thing.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Loch

I find it funny that when a business as a whole changes people always point towards one thing that they dont like, instead of changing with the trends.

What does whining get you?

People like him are like the blacksmiths of 100 years ago that just bitched about "horseless carriages" instead of branching out into the tire business.

[D Ghost]

TGPs provided "free porn"

[mmcfadden]

is there money in porn??

my armpit itches... can i get a scratch?

[SomeCreep]

It's okay to eat fish, cuz they don't have any feelings.

[Pleasurepays]

it ended?


...again?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

Two points I respectfully disagree with.

1) Yes, if it wasn't for tubes, people could still get free site rips via torrents. But EVERYONE can use a tube site. Believe it or not, a large percentage of people have no interest in learning how to use torrent sites and never will.

The music, tv and movie industry would respectfully disagree with your assessment. Hell one of my son's teachers showed the movie Monsters and Aliens in the classroom a couple of weeks ago. This movie just came out in theaters and not only that she told the kids WHERE to get it and other movies. When the people that are supposed to be teaching our kids are blatantly violating copyright well there you go.

2) Yes, Hulu does increase viewership of shows but the producers of the shows are CONTROLLING the way their product is released. That is hardly the case with illegal tube sites. I would have no problem if every illegal porn tube operated like Hulu. But you know the big tubes don't do that.

And there are illegal non porn tube sites that show episodes of Tv shows and movies. I've seen one of Family Guy. The are many of South Park. In fact is was because there were so many illegal South Park tube sites that they decided to make every episode ever made available at southparkstudios.com

[Fap]

Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

TGPs provided "free porn"

Exactly what i was going to say. But TGP's were just samples

[Spunky]

The man is always trying to hold you down

[Loch]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

Two points I respectfully disagree with.

1) Yes, if it wasn't for tubes, people could still get free site rips via torrents. But EVERYONE can use a tube site. Believe it or not, a large percentage of people have no interest in learning how to use torrent sites and never will.

2) Yes, Hulu does increase viewership of shows but the producers of the shows are CONTROLLING the way their product is released. That is hardly the case with illegal tube sites. I would have no problem if every illegal porn tube operated like Hulu. But you know the big tubes don't do that.

Look, the business has changed and that's fine with me. You can still make money in porn. But you can't say illegal tube sites are neutral or actually a positive thing.

Today its illigal tubes, yesterday stolen content on torrents/paysites/galleries etc

Its a new time, move on and roll with the punches

[Ozarkz]

I blame Obama.

[Loch]

Originally Posted by Ozarkz

I blame Obama.

Thats just because you are black

Err i mean, that you errr FUCK YOU

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

it ended?


...again?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by banthis

Exactly what i was going to say. But TGP's were just samples

8-10 years ago movies were a pain in the ass to watch on the internet. Pics was pretty much it. And frankly any decently sized TGP over the course of just one year could give me literally MILLLIONS of "samples". I'm sorry, if Baskin Robbins lets me have a "free sample" of all 31 flavors then it isn't a sample anymore. It's a full serving.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Loch

I find it funny that when a business as a whole changes people always point towards one thing that they dont like, instead of changing with the trends.

What does whining get you?

That's the problem, this industry will not adapt to the the new business environment. They want to carry on as they are and hope it will all work.

Adapting would be easy, easier than losing a business.

The problem to most the word adapting means copying others.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Adapting would be easy, easier than losing a business.

Let's all copy Markham.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by GatorB

8-10 years ago movies were a pain in the ass to watch on the internet. Pics was pretty much it. And frankly any decently sized TGP over the course of just one year could give me literally MILLLIONS of "samples". I'm sorry, if Baskin Robbins lets me have a "free sample" of all 31 flavors then it isn't a sample anymore. It's a full serving.

And here is the real problem.

If "31 flavors then it isn't a sample anymore" why are we selling a months supply of full tubs?

If our customer is getting off to a few samples, or full scenes, why don't we change?

Why do some sites try to trick the customer into buying membership to loads more sites?

Why do some sites have 30 to 50 scenes shot by the same person, the same way, maybe the same girl and insist he buys a months membership?

We have changed, how many other sites have?

Yes I agree we have to adapt, but so far the only adaptation I see from this industry is to open a Tube site. That's not adapting in the true sense of the word.

But things might change.

http://www.dmnews.com/Yahoo-profits-down-78-cuts-5-of-work-force/article/131088/Yahoo has reported a 78% drop in profits in the first quarter of 2009 to $118.7 million, compared to $536.8 million in the first quarter of last year. Yahoo also is cutting more than 600 jobs, 5% of its worldwide work force.

Will Internet advertising be the cash cow it was?

[Zorgman]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Let's all copy Markham.

But then we all FAIL!

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Let's all copy Markham.

That would be the last thing most will do. They are too busy doing exactly the same as they have been doing for decades and the results are clear to see.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Why do some sites try to trick the customer into buying membership to loads more sites?

Why do some sites have 30 to 50 scenes shot by the same person, the same way, maybe the same girl and insist he buys a months membership?

You need to ask the owners of those sites that question.

[Loch]

I find it brilliantly easy, we just started a business helping people sort out their video/editing/encoding/bulk processing needs and voila....
Ohh and serving huge amounts of video cutting BW in half, etc etc

easy as that, and the really brilliant thing about this is that no one has to keep it a secret as its a skill that takes years and cant be copied

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Loch

I find it brilliantly easy, we just started a business helping people sort out their video/editing/encoding/bulk processing needs and voila....
Ohh and serving huge amounts of video cutting BW in half, etc etc

easy as that, and the really brilliant thing about this is that no one has to keep it a secret as its a skill that takes years and cant be copied

Put Markham on the case. He has the patience needed.

[Loch]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Put Markham on the case. He has the patience needed.

Haven't seen any of his stuff "video" but im guessing that he is just fine in that area lol

[the.drunk]

Originally Posted by GatorB

People like him are like the blacksmiths of 100 years ago that just bitched about "horseless carriages" instead of branching out into the tire business.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by GatorB

You need to ask the owners of those sites that question.

And the affiliates who send traffic to these sites.

Put Markham on the case. He has the patience needed.

I hate editing, don't have the patience. All our editing is done by my editor. I only know how to shoot the scenes so the editor can do his job.

Not that my normal stuff needs a lot of editing.

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by Loch

I find it brilliantly easy, we just started a business helping people sort out their video/editing/encoding/bulk processing needs and voila....
Ohh and serving huge amounts of video cutting BW in half, etc etc

easy as that, and the really brilliant thing about this is that no one has to keep it a secret as its a skill that takes years and cant be copied

well, right now adapting in adult means getting out of adult, why spend hours working on your adult sites for a few $$, you can make much more (and easier) money just about anywhere else

[mrshine]

Why you guys cry all the time?

[martinsc]

free porn? where?

[mynameisjim]

I love how all the people who think they are "cutting edge" and adapting and call everyone else a dinosaur just own cloned tube sites.

If you made Redtube, or Tube8, or one of those sites then you have room to talk. If you bought a $100 script and scraped videos two years after the actual idea of a porn tube came out, then you are just a copy cat. Nothing wrong with being a copy cat, but don't claim to be some kind innovator leaving everyone else in the dust. You're as late to the party as everybody else you claim is behind the times.

What's next on your to-do list? Make a social networking clone site that sends out short text messages to all your followers and claim yourself as a genius?

[the.drunk]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Final step is to get a real job.. and sell the Lambo.

beautiful thing

[kmanrox]

i dont know why u guys bust on paul for the sake of busting on paul.. dude thinks outside the box, albeit a little differently than the outside of 'your' boxes. . but still, it's ppl thinking 'differently' that will essentially lay the base to combat slowing sales and overall demand.

im not endorsing anything he says, i'm just saying... be receptive to different perspectives and we may get somewhere, someday.

[Raf1]

well it's harder to make money in adult than a few years ago, but there are still a lot of ways to make money here. The plus side is that a lot of people will be getting out of the industry

[Drake]

RIP adult industry

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by mrshine

Why you guys cry all the time?

because we check our stats daily

[mrshine]

Originally Posted by Antonio

because we check our stats daily

I check mine to, but it's not that bad!
It will be better

[bmchunu]

its tough times for sure right, now .. but its also a case of adapt or die ... just like it is in the wild .. survival of the fittest.

Spend an hour less crying on here and you just might make it through the rough patch.

[polish_aristocrat]

the industry didn't kill itself, but it surely is much worse overall than just a few years ago

[TheDoc]

The Industry isn't dead.... And Tubes didn't create the problem "you think" is going on today. No Amount of Piracy or Tubes created ANYTHING going on today.

Thing is, Tubes DO MAKE sales. That's why they have Adult Porn Site Sponsors, thats why Sponsors Advertise on them, that's why Sponsors Add Videos to them, and that's why the same Sponsors keep buying ads from them, month after month.

Wake up... Stop Being Stupid... Without Free Porn - YOU WOULD BE OUT OF BUSINESS.... Without Piracy, Free Porn, now Tubes - NONE of you would have started, NONE of you would be here today...


Opening a Tube isn't what adapt or die is about... thinking you need to open a tube to adapt, probably means you should die.

[polish_aristocrat]

TheDoc, so what is in your opinion the reason that a landing page getting the same amounf of US-traffic from Google, searching for "hot teens" would have probably earned 5 times more 8 years ago than today?

[seeandsee]

no time for talk, build tubes

[pornguy]

I love the way people are pointing at the tube sites as beinig the issue.. I recall the same thing with tgp and mgp and

Not to mention that people are worried about MONEY!

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

TheDoc, so what is in your opinion the reason that a landing page getting the same amounf of US-traffic from Google, searching for "hot teens" would have probably earned 5 times more 8 years ago than today?

a more educated surfer

a surfer that knows how to wade through the bullshit and peoples shitty excuses for a site

a more mature business that offers better choices than 8 years ago with some people STILL offering the same choices and same shitty sites/content as 8 years ago

people searching for sites which have became brands they are familiar with

people having some awareness or ability to discern between a great site and a shitty site

the list could go on and on and on and on and it wouldn't change anyone's mind because this is about laying blame for failure where it doesn't belong.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

1. Get in the game ASAP! Create zillions of "tube" sites and educate consumers that they can get free porn there and condition consumers not to pay for adult entertainment.

2. Support the tubes! Advertise and do business with tube sites. Sell them traffic and buy their traffic.

RINSE and repeat.

In no time at all.. you will see a massive decline in sales! You will see your content everywhere on the net, in the P2Ps and in the torrents.. you are now famous. It is now time to jump up and down with joy!!

If you ever get worried about this 'business plan,' just slurp down a few cold beers, spark up a blunt, and keep telling yourself this:

if I don't do business with the tubes my competitors will...if I don't do business with the tubes my competitors will...if I don't do business with the tubes my competitors will...if I don't do business with the tubes my competitors will...if I don't do business with the tubes my competitors will...if I don't do business with the tubes my competitors will...if I don't do business with the tubes my competitors will...if I don't do business with the tubes my competitors will...if I don't do business with the tubes my competitors will...if I don't do business with the tubes my competitors will...

Final step is to get a real job.. and sell the Lambo.

I've been saying this since tube sites day one. Unfortunately many in this industry have chosen the "adapt-and-die" strategy instead.

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by kmanrox

i dont know why u guys bust on paul for the sake of busting on paul.. dude thinks outside the box, albeit a little differently than the outside of 'your' boxes. . but still, it's ppl thinking 'differently' that will essentially lay the base to combat slowing sales and overall demand.

im not endorsing anything he says, i'm just saying... be receptive to different perspectives and we may get somewhere, someday.

thats one of the smartest things i have ever heard here...

a guy could say 1 million dumb things and then lay down a nugget that gives someone a light bulb moment..

[grumpy]

The industry is not dead!!
There is just to much free porn on the net.

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

a more educated surfer

a surfer that knows how to wade through the bullshit and peoples shitty excuses for a site

a more mature business that offers better choices than 8 years ago with some people STILL offering the same choices and same shitty sites/content as 8 years ago

people searching for sites which have became brands they are familiar with

people having some awareness or ability to discern between a great site and a shitty site

the list could go on and on and on and on and it wouldn't change anyone's mind because this is about laying blame for failure where it doesn't belong.

That is certainly true, lots of surfers are better educated, and they might been either burned by the pornsites or they are just annoyed when seeing the same stuff offered as in the past. However, in a hypothetical scenario of no free porn (or: MUCH less free porn) a lot of people who are free porn surfers now woule be forced to pay again.

You can't deny that some surfers are happy with what they are being offered now for free, but would sign up to pornsites if the content wasn't available for free. Discussing this endlessly might be pointless because the current situation is not likely to change, but I don't see anything wrong in acknowledging it.

I'm also not sure if the reality sites we are seeing today can be considered shitty, in my opinion they offer actually a great value to the surfer, as opposed to other, more traditional sources of porn. You can get access for $30 (or even less) per month to all reality sites and all the episodes of a big program, is that really bad pricing, or is the quality bad?

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

That is certainly true, lots of surfers are better educated, and they might been either burned by the pornsites or they are just annoyed when seeing the same stuff offered as in the past. However, in a hypothetical scenario of no free porn (or: MUCH less free porn) a lot of people who are free porn surfers now woule be forced to pay again.

You can't deny that some surfers are happy with what they are being offered now for free, but would sign up to pornsites if the content wasn't available for free. Discussing this endlessly might be pointless because the current situation is not likely to change, but I don't see anything wrong in acknowledging it.

Acknowledging this reality is not wrong, but doing so while promoting a program in your sig that contributes greatly to the problem, well that's just hypocritical.