Question For Content Producers - What Are You Using To Store Your Content? - GoFuckYourself.com

SteveHardeman · 02-12-2009, 10:10 PM

The raw footage takes up a ton of space. I'm looking at around 12GB per scene for DV and around 30GB/scene for HD.

I'm about tired of running out and buying 1TB drives. Especially when I have a lot of stuff that I rarely touch anymore. And we're not even addressing back-up yet. It all adds up fast.

Anyone care to share their storage secrets? Is there a writable DVD greater than 4.7 GB?

I was going to save it all to VCR tapes but my mom gets pissed when they're all over the house with lables like "Teen Mandy Sucks and Swallows" :-)

Advice anyone?

Barefootsies · 02-12-2009, 10:15 PM

I have stack of ext HD's. No secret formula.

I need the DV AVI's readily available for content deals, and being able to quickly find, and convert clips easily without having to dig through tapes, and pull video again.

YellowDude · 02-12-2009, 10:18 PM

I use DLT or buy HD for every production. There are 9 Giga DVD's double layer. But for me the cheapest way is external HD's for every scene. 250 Giga is about 90 Euro.

If I only need the editted version I use DLT.

NaughtyRob · 02-12-2009, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I have stack of ext HD's. No secret formula.

I need the DV AVI's readily available for content deals, and being able to quickly find, and convert clips easily without having to dig through tapes, and pull video again.

Yep, what he said. and of course the original MiniDVs.

jay23 · 02-12-2009, 10:27 PM

LTO4 Tape drives, never trust HD

Barefootsies · 02-12-2009, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GetNaughty

Yep, what he said. and of course the original MiniDVs.

Yep. I still have the original DV mini's. Most at the bank in a lock box. Just to be safe. Almost everything else is on ext. HD's. The most recent clips I typically have on 2nd and 3rd HD's on the computer.

Once full, I pull the clips and back up on ext.. I then disconnect the ext HD, and unplug.

F-U-Jimmy · 02-12-2009, 10:41 PM

I use hard drives and have about 60 TB. almost all full with video and images. As most do here i keep all the Mini DVs in a vault / fire proof safe but that is also full so im looking at tape as i have had some bad experiences using CDs and DVDs

If you have a Costco in your area you can pick up a 1TB drive for around $100, its good value per gig I just picked up another 30. 1TB Western Digital drives they hold 400 DVD quality videos each or 100 to 200,000 jpgs web ready size.

YellowDude · 02-12-2009, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Yep. I still have the original DV mini's. Most at the bank in a lock box. Just to be safe. Almost everything else is on ext. HD's. The most recent clips I typically have on 2nd and 3rd HD's on the computer.

Once full, I pull the clips and back up on ext.. I then disconnect the ext HD, and unplug.

But put them in a controlled air condicion if not they will not start up after some time.

Jim_Gunn · 02-12-2009, 10:43 PM

Nothing beats a mini-DV tape to archive raw footage. Same tape the footage was shot on. $3.35 apiece, stores 65 minutes of DV or HDV video, lasts a long time, takes up very little space. I use DVCam tapes for edited movie masters. Hard drives are really just temporary storage. I have some DV AVI files and encoded files that I need to access over and over again on HDD's. But for original footage, I capture it once, edit and encode it, do whatever else I need to do and store the tape in my closet. I have tapes from 1999 that are still as pristine as the day they were shot.

Barefootsies · 02-12-2009, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YellowDude

But put them in a controlled air condicion if not they will not start up after some time.

Yep.

tony286 · 02-12-2009, 11:41 PM

when blu ray writers and the blanks come down in price. That would be a cool option with a single disc holding 25gig

digitaldivas · 02-12-2009, 11:44 PM

I archive my tape. If you are wanting to store, external hd.

ExLust · 02-13-2009, 12:49 AM

Hard drives and dvds.

MaDalton · 02-13-2009, 04:09 AM

network storage and a gigabit network

this is about 20 TB in Raid 5 storage:

dready · 02-13-2009, 07:37 AM

I'm about to pick up eight 1.5TB HDDs to put in a RAID6 array. Will be 9TB online as a single volume. Cost will be ~$1600 including the Raid card.

Don't trust RAID5 for anything over a few TB.

DutchTeenCash · 02-13-2009, 07:41 AM

ext hd and dvd and raw tapes

lookin at blueray though cause the vids take up a lot

SteveHardeman · 02-13-2009, 09:47 AM

Hmmmm, what are your thoughts on this? What if I go get a mess of 100GB ext HD's and just archive like A-E on one, F-I on one. Anyone have experience with aging external harddrives? Am I setting myself up for failure if I happen to need something off of that drive 2,3,4,10 years after then last time it's been plugged in?

dready · 02-13-2009, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveHardeman

Hmmmm, what are your thoughts on this? What if I go get a mess of 100GB ext HD's and just archive like A-E on one, F-I on one. Anyone have experience with aging external harddrives? Am I setting myself up for failure if I happen to need something off of that drive 2,3,4,10 years after then last time it's been plugged in?

I'd at least put them in RAID for some redundancy. I guess it depends on how valuable the data is to you.

notime · 02-13-2009, 10:43 AM

Double 48TB Raid 6 filers that sync every day

tranza · 02-13-2009, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

network storage and a gigabit network

this is about 20 TB in Raid 5 storage:

this is fucking sick!

UFGators2007 · 02-13-2009, 11:33 AM

You really do not have a hell of a whole lot of options right now, but from what I have been seeing in the trade-shit, you will have a some really cool options in the next few months.

Barefootsies · 02-13-2009, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notime

double 48tb raid 6 filers that sync every day

dayum!!!!

SteveHardeman · 02-13-2009, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

network storage and a gigabit network

this is about 20 TB in Raid 5 storage:

Wanna ballpark me on what that set up cost?

SteveHardeman · 02-13-2009, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notime

Double 48TB Raid 6 filers that sync every day

Wow, I almost don't want to know what the power bill is for that. OK, yes I do.

notime · 02-13-2009, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveHardeman

Wow, I almost don't want to know what the power bill is for that. OK, yes I do.

Here you can order them: http://www.s3s.be/portal/
Machines like this used to be really expensive but cost very little the lasts months.
(like under 10K instead of 40K around 2 years ago)

RevTKS69 · 02-13-2009, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveHardeman

Hmmmm, what are your thoughts on this? What if I go get a mess of 100GB ext HD's and just archive like A-E on one, F-I on one. Anyone have experience with aging external harddrives? Am I setting myself up for failure if I happen to need something off of that drive 2,3,4,10 years after then last time it's been plugged in?

Unplugging an external HD and storing it for long periods of time is asking for trouble. Especially with newer drives. You have two things to consider, the physical moving parts, and the magnetic media.

The moving parts are designed to do just that, move. The are not designed to be unplugged and left stagnant. Also, there was a note about storing them at proper temperature and such...this is important too. For extended off-line storage, use media that are designed for it.

Stored Magnetic media will eventually fail, period. One of the things about a drive that is on-line and active; the data gets refreshed on occasions and the drives have built-in checks for data integrity. This is crucial. Being taken off-line cripples the drives ability to protect the data.

MaDalton · 02-13-2009, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveHardeman

Wanna ballpark me on what that set up cost?

not as much as you would think

http://www.buffalo-technology.com/pr...e/terastation/

http://shopper.cnet.com/external-har...-32560428.html

starts at about $1700 for the 4 TB version. and with gigabit network its about as fast as a directly attached USB2 harddrive

we also have everything on DVD and the original tapes as an additional backup

Barefootsies · 02-13-2009, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevTKS69

Unplugging an external HD and storing it for long periods of time is asking for trouble. Especially with newer drives. You have two things to consider, the physical moving parts, and the magnetic media.

The moving parts are designed to do just that, move. The are not designed to be unplugged and left stagnant. Also, there was a note about storing them at proper temperature and such...this is important too. For extended off-line storage, use media that are designed for it.

Stored Magnetic media will eventually fail, period. One of the things about a drive that is on-line and active; the data gets refreshed on occasions and the drives have built-in checks for data integrity. This is crucial. Being taken off-line cripples the drives ability to protect the data.

Mine are not stored, and turned off, for long periods of time. Although your idea of 'long time' may be different then mine.

I am always work on the content in some way. So all the HD's are being accessed at least a time or more a month. Especially with more content deals.

I used to keep them plugged in all the time, and they would wear out quick just from running 24/7. So if I did not run out of space. The disks would start making noise after a period of time (less that 12-18 months) and I would have to replace before the drive took a shit.

Now I unplug to make sure I do not have to worry about viruses, electrical surges, and other controllable issues. Not to mention, I have TWO copies of all files anyways. Not including the original DV tape.

jakethedog · 02-13-2009, 05:11 PM

As a shooter for way to long and now program owner .. I have all content on minidv .. BUT tape does deteriorate over time .. every scene I have is backed up to DVD's after editing as a master containing all 2257 and opening and closing addendums .. DVDs won't deteriorate and take up no space at all .. as for HDs .. I have all content on HDs as well and got this simple little dock that you just drop 1TB HDs into with out an external enclosure and just file them when they are about 3/4 full ..

1BB · 02-13-2009, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

network storage and a gigabit network

this is about 20 TB in Raid 5 storage:

Sooo cool!

02-12-2009, 10:10 PM	#1
SteveHardeman Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,728	Question For Content Producers - What Are You Using To Store Your Content? The raw footage takes up a ton of space. I'm looking at around 12GB per scene for DV and around 30GB/scene for HD. I'm about tired of running out and buying 1TB drives. Especially when I have a lot of stuff that I rarely touch anymore. And we're not even addressing back-up yet. It all adds up fast. Anyone care to share their storage secrets? Is there a writable DVD greater than 4.7 GB? I was going to save it all to VCR tapes but my mom gets pissed when they're all over the house with lables like "Teen Mandy Sucks and Swallows" :-) Advice anyone? __________________ BrokeAmateurs And ErosPOV And GirlsGoingSolo And PureAshley Sign Up At AmateursConvert.com Questions? I-C-Q: 3Five1FiveFive3476

02-12-2009, 10:15 PM	#2
Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	I have stack of ext HD's. No secret formula. I need the DV AVI's readily available for content deals, and being able to quickly find, and convert clips easily without having to dig through tapes, and pull video again. __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

02-12-2009, 10:18 PM	#3
YellowDude Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Breda Posts: 1,031	I use DLT or buy HD for every production. There are 9 Giga DVD's double layer. But for me the cheapest way is external HD's for every scene. 250 Giga is about 90 Euro. If I only need the editted version I use DLT. __________________ John Bols Productions Email: jaj.lambregts @ gmail.com

02-12-2009, 10:41 PM	#7
F-U-Jimmy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Visiting a city near you soon ! Posts: 6,853	I use hard drives and have about 60 TB. almost all full with video and images. As most do here i keep all the Mini DVs in a vault / fire proof safe but that is also full so im looking at tape as i have had some bad experiences using CDs and DVDs If you have a Costco in your area you can pick up a 1TB drive for around $100, its good value per gig I just picked up another 30. 1TB Western Digital drives they hold 400 DVD quality videos each or 100 to 200,000 jpgs web ready size. __________________ icq. 176240424 44.years as a pornographer !!!!!!!!!!!

02-12-2009, 10:43 PM	#9
Jim_Gunn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Where The Teens Are Posts: 5,702	Nothing beats a mini-DV tape to archive raw footage. Same tape the footage was shot on. $3.35 apiece, stores 65 minutes of DV or HDV video, lasts a long time, takes up very little space. I use DVCam tapes for edited movie masters. Hard drives are really just temporary storage. I have some DV AVI files and encoded files that I need to access over and over again on HDD's. But for original footage, I capture it once, edit and encode it, do whatever else I need to do and store the tape in my closet. I have tapes from 1999 that are still as pristine as the day they were shot. __________________ Jim Gunn Filming Cinematic Porn Skype JimGunnProductions

02-12-2009, 10:27 PM	#5
jay23 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,444	LTO4 Tape drives, never trust HD

02-12-2009, 11:41 PM	#11
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	when blu ray writers and the blanks come down in price. That would be a cool option with a single disc holding 25gig

02-12-2009, 11:44 PM	#12
digitaldivas ..I Heart Cannibal Corpse Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 4,327	I archive my tape. If you are wanting to store, external hd. __________________ ...

02-13-2009, 12:49 AM	#13
ExLust Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,223	Hard drives and dvds. __________________ BE A PARTNER

02-13-2009, 04:09 AM	#14
MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,826	network storage and a gigabit network this is about 20 TB in Raid 5 storage: __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

02-13-2009, 07:37 AM	#15
dready Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 5,247	I'm about to pick up eight 1.5TB HDDs to put in a RAID6 array. Will be 9TB online as a single volume. Cost will be ~$1600 including the Raid card. Don't trust RAID5 for anything over a few TB. __________________ ICQ: 91139591

02-13-2009, 07:41 AM	#16
DutchTeenCash I like Dutch Girls Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: dutchteencash.com Posts: 21,684	ext hd and dvd and raw tapes lookin at blueray though cause the vids take up a lot __________________ ICQ 16 91 547 - SKYPE dutchteencash bob AT dutchteencash DOT com ... did you see our newest Sweet Natural Girl Priscilla (18)?

02-13-2009, 09:47 AM	#17
SteveHardeman Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,728	Hmmmm, what are your thoughts on this? What if I go get a mess of 100GB ext HD's and just archive like A-E on one, F-I on one. Anyone have experience with aging external harddrives? Am I setting myself up for failure if I happen to need something off of that drive 2,3,4,10 years after then last time it's been plugged in? __________________ BrokeAmateurs And ErosPOV And GirlsGoingSolo And PureAshley Sign Up At AmateursConvert.com Questions? I-C-Q: 3Five1FiveFive3476

02-13-2009, 10:43 AM	#19
notime Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: cyberspace Posts: 8,019	Double 48TB Raid 6 filers that sync every day

02-13-2009, 11:33 AM	#21
UFGators2007 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 1,739	You really do not have a hell of a whole lot of options right now, but from what I have been seeing in the trade-shit, you will have a some really cool options in the next few months. __________________ "I use the Google to pull up maps."

02-13-2009, 05:11 PM	#29
jakethedog Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Vancouver B.C. Posts: 2,497	As a shooter for way to long and now program owner .. I have all content on minidv .. BUT tape does deteriorate over time .. every scene I have is backed up to DVD's after editing as a master containing all 2257 and opening and closing addendums .. DVDs won't deteriorate and take up no space at all .. as for HDs .. I have all content on HDs as well and got this simple little dock that you just drop 1TB HDs into with out an external enclosure and just file them when they are about 3/4 full .. __________________ No sig .. just me