Oh god... Make it stop...

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

JonClark ‎(3:14 PM):
Wut up buddy..
JonClark ‎(7:42 PM):
Hey
Alien ‎(8:09 PM):
hgeya man
how ya doin? rough place
JonClark ‎(8:09 PM):
WHat?
JonClark ‎(8:10 PM):
ROugh place..?
Were..?
Alien ‎(8:10 PM):
I dunno you B hailing me whats on yer mind
JonClark ‎(8:10 PM):
Are you really hurting for work..?
Alien ‎(8:10 PM):
Of course, the biz sucks
JonClark ‎(8:10 PM):
I can give you work if you want..
JonClark ‎(8:11 PM):
And you really do not have to worry about getting paid..
Alien ‎(8:11 PM):
If it pays I do it
JonClark ‎(8:11 PM):
That fuck that didn't get paid was really up to something..
His bank was frozen by US gov..
FOr sure per my attorney
And the dude would not go clear his name..
Alien ‎(8:11 PM):
Well what can I do for you
JonClark ‎(8:12 PM):
I was not going to fuck around with sending money off shore...
Alien ‎(8:12 PM):
I jusy want work that pays LOL

JonClark ‎(8:12 PM):
Specually only 50 bucks for a fuck that wouldn't even do what he needed to do to get it
I can start pushing design from XXX
You do the work..
Alien ‎(8:12 PM):
I need to make 2000 to 2500 a month
JonClark ‎(8:12 PM):
I will start tommorrow if you are serious and I can count on you
JonClark ‎(8:13 PM):
I will run some crazy promo to get things started..
but other then that..
Alien ‎(8:13 PM):
Well my only terms are 1/2 up front then half on completion tours take 3-5 days depending on how sticky the client is
JonClark ‎(8:13 PM):
You should be able to make that if we can keep the designs moving..
JonClark ‎(8:14 PM):
The economy is a little bit of a hurdle..
but not too bad..
I will split with you 50/50
I will pay as I get paid..
JonClark ‎(8:15 PM):
Meaning, I will pay you out of the down payment, and the balance..
Right when I recieve them..
Alien ‎(8:15 PM):
I do Epass and wires
JonClark ‎(8:15 PM):
No paypal..?
JonClark ‎(8:16 PM):
Jeezus..
Alien ‎(8:16 PM):
No paypal right now
JonClark ‎(8:16 PM):
We prolly will not get any big orders right away..
Banners... Galls, dumb shit to start...
Alien ‎(8:16 PM):
My wifer got a complaint on Ebay a while back so its being fixed
JonClark ‎(8:19 PM):
So do you want to be serious and do this..?
Alien ‎(8:19 PM):
Sure. I need a minimum of 700-800 per tour. Galleries I do for 60 each banners 10-15
Alien ‎(8:20 PM):
Half page ads 120-200
Galleries I do is only templates I do not put in content to galleries generally if they want that I charge another 25 per gallery
JonClark ‎(8:21 PM):
You are greedy for someone that is broke..
Alien ‎(8:21 PM):
Those are numbers I can work with in this
JonClark ‎(8:21 PM):
This is 2009
You give people what they pay for..
Not try to sell them the best...
I will go sell 50 banners tommorrow for 5 bucks a piece..
JonClark ‎(8:22 PM):
Or fifty gall pages for 10 bucks a piece..
Alien ‎(8:22 PM):
5 bucks a banner?

JonClark ‎(8:22 PM):
Cheap ass work..
Get things moving..
You do realize people are hurting right now..
JonClark ‎(8:23 PM):
Either way...
It is a matter of getting the clients in the door spending a few bucks..
Once they are hooked we raise the prices to the max there budget can afford.. I am good at that..
JonClark ‎(8:24 PM):
I will sell a tour for 500 right now... Not 1500
Jeezus...
Alien ‎(8:24 PM):
Well keep in mind I wont do banners for 5 bucks a piece. Unless they are dirt banners
JonClark ‎(8:24 PM):
No one will pay them prices right now..
People get what they pay for..
But..
You can give them pure garbage
JonClark ‎(8:25 PM):
Look, it boils down to rather you want money...
If you really need some money then you should have no problem..
Alien ‎(8:26 PM):
Well if ya find something fopr me to do hit me up tell me what they are paying and what they expect
JonClark ‎(8:26 PM):
I have to work off for sures..
Alien ‎(8:26 PM):
But keep in kjind I am not going to work for 24 hours for 50 bucks
JonClark ‎(8:27 PM):
I am not going to sell someone something with hopes youwill do it..
You have to be able to take any grunt work I can find us..
Alien ‎(8:27 PM):
If its not worth my time I wont do it bud
Alien ‎(8:28 PM):
I got quality and if they can not pay it I am not interested.
I rather starve
Then produce shit
JonClark ‎(8:28 PM):
So if you have the coice of doing some work for maybe not your normal rate versus sitting around doing nothing...
You choose nothing..?
JonClark ‎(8:29 PM):
I am talking about pushing off of XXX not IAlien..
Alien ‎(8:29 PM):
The prices I put above are reasonable prices
JonClark ‎(8:29 PM):
No one will no you even did it..
Alien ‎(8:29 PM):
Its not over the top of what real designers with good ability charge
JonClark ‎(8:29 PM):
Ok man, never mind then...
JonClark ‎(8:30 PM):
If you are not willing to do what you got to do...
Nothing I can do
Alien ‎(8:31 PM):
Well take note on the above rates ya find anything that works with that ya got a deal
JonClark ‎(8:32 PM):
I am not going to put in any effort..
It is not worth it..
I am willing to sell to people for what there budget can afford..
There is a ton of work out here..
But I am going for all of it or none..
Alien ‎(8:33 PM):
They always say there is a ton of work but when it comes to money they wont pay reasonably man.
JonClark ‎(8:33 PM):
This economy is not one to elephant hunt in..
Alien ‎(8:33 PM):
If they can not show me the money I am not interested bud. People can talk all they want but if the money is not in my wallet I am not playing.
JonClark ‎(8:33 PM):
I used to close 5k a week in design
3 designers
Alien ‎(8:34 PM):
I mean I can find work to if I worked for 20 hours strate for 50 bucks sure. But thats like toiling in a rock field, its pointless.
JonClark ‎(8:34 PM):
I wouldn't have you do 20 hours worth of work for 50 bucks.. lmao
JonClark ‎(8:35 PM):
Hell in 8 hours you can do 15-20 banners..
Alien ‎(8:35 PM):
I did a tour for 500 bucks a couple weeks ago.
The fucking client was happy but a compelte royal pain in the ass and expected Mike Wylde design.
I wont do that shit again.
JonClark ‎(8:35 PM):
Look, I am good at sales and handleing customers..
Alien ‎(8:36 PM):
The fucker got a 1500 dollar design for 500 bucks and I wasted a shit wad of time on it
JonClark ‎(8:36 PM):
All you have to do is the designs..
That is it..
Well if I would have sold it you could have gotten it done in two days..
Alien ‎(8:36 PM):
NO dude... I do not think you understand.
JonClark ‎(8:37 PM):
I do not think you understand
I am trying to hook you up here..
Alien ‎(8:37 PM):
Changing the same fucking photo 10 times and swapping sentences out then moving shit all the fuck around 4 times is lame and for 500 bucks no way. Not doing that shit again.
JonClark ‎(8:37 PM):
People pay for revisions..
JonClark ‎(8:38 PM):
They get one revision when I sell them.. And it is a quicky..
Anything else I charge them..
JonClark ‎(8:39 PM):
10-15 per working hour is what you should make in the begining..
From there, sure we will get the prices up to standard..
But to get things rolling you have to run some promos..
Alien ‎(8:41 PM):
Well all ya goto do is find a project, find the details and get me the price.
JonClark ‎(8:41 PM):
But if you won't do it then I have to go back to client and cancel... lmao
Alien ‎(8:41 PM):
Then we can decide if the project is worth taking on. Just do not run around and settle for anytyhing
JonClark ‎(8:41 PM):
I am not going through that..
I am a money maker, not game player..
Alien ‎(8:41 PM):
NO man just tell ya got the details and the project and we can get ya a price. Put the price down and see what they do.
JonClark ‎(8:42 PM):
I usually close right away
I have a method..
Alien ‎(8:42 PM):
Thats standard business anyways. Ya goto know the scope of work before bidding on it
JonClark ‎(8:42 PM):
If I tell them to hold on, or I will get back to you I will loose the sale..
I am not the designer..
Just pay attention to that line..
JonClark ‎(8:43 PM):
I am not the designer
Alien ‎(8:43 PM):
No ya wont if ya do they werent interested in the first place. Its more professional to make em wait for a price quote
JonClark ‎(8:43 PM):
I have ran two successful design companies..
I know how to sell the hell out of design..
Come on man... I do not tell you how to run photoshop.. lol
Fuck proffessional..
I am a closer..
I get ther money and give them a product..
JonClark ‎(8:44 PM):
I am not here to stroke them..
Alien ‎(8:45 PM):
Well what ever. Get the scope of work evaluate it we price it. FInd out what there rough budget is and seal the deal. its easy
JonClark ‎(8:45 PM):
You are right.. But I do not have time to go over the shit with you
Alien ‎(8:45 PM):
But if they are to cheap it becomes not worth the time bro and thats just how it is these days.
JonClark ‎(8:45 PM):
I know how to figure things out..
Alien ‎(8:46 PM):
Well again. Under sell and I wont do it. Its tyhat simple, get me a good price and fair price and I will.
JonClark ‎(8:47 PM):
OK, I am going to go to bed now...
Alien ‎(8:47 PM):
DOnt whore me for fucking 24 hours of work for 50 bucks
JonClark ‎(8:47 PM):
I see why you are in the shape you are in..
You can't even comprehend what I am telling you..


FUcking christ is there any hope in this god damn industry...
I hate people that waste my time.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Your first mistake was answering his IM at all.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

[alias]

What is this good for, seriously?

[JamesK]

Originally Posted by MDCQ

Your first mistake was answering his IM at all.

[alias]

"Fuck proffessional..
I am a closer..
I get ther money and give them a product.."

ok, nm

[pornocruto]

You are both just too different to be working together.

You want what you think you are worth, he wants to sell you for a lot less, simple tell him to fuckoff and thats that.

He is using your situation to try and get some good work out of you cheap, dont bite. Let it go and move on.

[Dirty F]

Alien ‎(8:11 PM):
If it pays I do it

Is that what you said just before you sucked that guys cock a few years ago?

[NickB.]

failed to read - sig spot

[papill0n]

alienq are you really britney?

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

FUcking christ is there any hope in this god damn industry...
I hate people that waste my time.

Every fucking day you are crying how broke you are and how lousy this industry is. Go find a job outside you fucking moron? Do you still not get it? It has nothing to do with this industry. Tons of people are still making shitloads...you aren't making 10 bucks a day. This mean you are a failure and YOU can't make money. There are tons of designer getting tons of jobs. How would that happen if this industry is dead?

Just move on dude...go away...we're all tired of your daily in every thread how everything sucks and no money can't be made anymore while in the meantime you act like you know everything. You know shit. If you did know stuff you wouldn't be the total failure you are now.

Piss off loser.

[WarChild]

Fuck that clown.

Alien, do you know Wordpress integration or any Tube Software integration. Basically, how's your CSS coming? I might have something for you.

[Deej]

before fully reading the rest it sounds like he is going to short change you on the deal, charge those prices but give you peanuts...

and who the fuck splits 50/50 with a design broker?

this is all of course my opinion, back to reading the rest...

[blademaster16]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Alien ‎(8:11 PM):
If it pays I do it

Is that what you said just before you sucked that guys cock a few years ago?

loool nice one

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Fuck that clown.

Alien, do you know Wordpress integration or any Tube Software integration. Basically, how's your CSS coming? I might have something for you.

I am pretty good with Word Press
I can install WP, modify themes and redesign them.

Tube Software not so much. I not got my hands on any yet.
Anytime man, ya got an interest hit me up on ICQ in the morning or when ya got time


THe funny thing about that Jon CLark conversation...
Its not the first time people have approached me like he did to do business.
Infact it's rather typical.

Here is the break down.

1: Thinks they got a plan
2: Talk to much.
3: Makes sure they put you down in the process of attempting to arrange a deal.
4: Lacks a Decisive plan.
5: Puts nothing on the table.


If I am going to be a whore I better get fucking paid. Bottom fucking line.

[DK]

Anyone that deals with this Jon Clark character deserves everything they get!

[potter]

i'd say you both look like idiots from that log

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Don't get me wrong I try and read between the lines, some of the best assholes I ever done business with are genious and in thier points I look for the reason.

9 times out of ten I see it,

So Its OK to be an asshole to me but if what you are trying to say or plan makes no fucking sense or sincerity I am not going to be interested. I work on Logic for the most part in these matters. SO if the plan is good I do not give a shit what ya call me or what you do to make the plan work, a good plan is a good plan wioth backing information.

I am really good at seeing whats being offered cussing swaring being rude is irrelevant a good idea is a good idea. SO the conversation above made me wonder what the hell he was getting at. It wreaked of poor potential, it had no basis of plan or facts outlined just alot of conjecture and posturing.

When you kids grow up and want to put a plan on to someone the above might help you out on what not to do. I can help people out immensely, sure I am a little nuts sometimes its what artists do, and if you can see through my illness I can do some pretty crazy shit and help a person or company.

I may not be in the best financial situation sure but it does not mean I am inept in the skill's needed to make a good plan work out and present itself well on the web. I been around a long time a very long time, odd's are if you not been in the biz as long as I have, I do know more than you and I can help you.
What I can offer and know should not be a threat to you, its a benefit.

SO if in the future anyone wants to do business with me, long term, or contract or just a design deal keep in mind I can really work for you and be a benefit.

Also in the future if you ever go upto someone and got a plan and want to present it, make sure you think of the plan, come with numbers in hand, present the information you know that works with your plan.

I may not make you rich but down the line you may come accross someone thast very well can. So always try and present your idea's in an intelligent and decisive manor.

[Dirty F]

And you just go on and on and on..

You're so fucking clueless i almost feel sorry for you.

[Farang]

The ultimate meltdown!!

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

And you just go on and on and on..

You're so fucking clueless i almost feel sorry for you.

It must suck for you to be such a wastoid piece of Euro shit.

GO die in the gutter troll fag...

[Farang]

I just can't believe this clown is thirty something y.o

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by AAK

The ultimate meltdown!!

It's getting close for sure. But on the other side i think as long as gfy exists we have to read his sorry ass posts about not being able to make money and blaming everyone but himself for that. It's been like that for years and it will be like that for many years to come.

And he will keep on posting in every thread telling us how this and that works and how he knows better. The fact that he is broke as fuck and all those other people make money is kinda ironic though.

[StaceyJo]

LOL @ the sweet conversation

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

And you wonder why you have no work.... lol

[HorseShit]

you two having cyber sex is not new news

[LadyMischief]

There's an old saying. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. You can't say you really didn't know better.

[candyflip]

So you do all the work while he tries to drum up some business for you and then expects to keep half?

Jon Clark is a scamming scum bag trying to ride the coat tails of whoever might entertain his delusions.

[Juicy D. Links]

thats too long to read

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

thats too long to read

JonClark ‎(8:24 PM):
No one will pay them prices right now..
People get what they pay for..
But..
You can give them pure garbage

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Jon Clark is a scamming scum bag

oh the irony. one of the most well known gfy scammers calling someone else a scammer. this is hilarious.

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

The fact that he is broke as fuck and all those other people make money is kinda ironic though.

It is not ironic... Just read his convo with me.. He is not willing to work...

[candyflip]

JonClark ‎(8:43 PM):
I have ran two successful design companies..
I know how to sell the hell out of design..
Come on man... I do not tell you how to run photoshop.. lol
Fuck proffessional..
I am a closer..
I get ther money and give them a product..

[seeandsee]

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by candyflip

JonClark ‎(8:24 PM):
No one will pay them prices right now..
People get what they pay for..
But..
You can give them pure garbage

Actually it is a typo... "can't" is what was ment.. And it is obvious...

[TeenCat]

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by candyflip

JonClark ‎(8:43 PM):
I have ran two successful design companies..
I know how to sell the hell out of design..
Come on man... I do not tell you how to run photoshop.. lol
Fuck proffessional..
I am a closer..
I get ther money and give them a product..

Exactly...

Why dick around with negotiating back and forth... lmao


Sales and marketing is what I do.. Both offline and online.. I know what I am doing.. My design company is booked out till mid next month.. Hi-R is booked for the next couple weeks...


And in all these years on gfy running my companies I have only had two clients that ended up being unhappy...




Now go fuck yourself... You are a scamming loser...

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

oh the irony. one of the most well known gfy scammers calling someone else a scammer. this is hilarious.

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by TeenCat

It is so much fun...

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Anyways, I was just trying to help the guy out with some work, there is a ton of it around..

[UFGators2007]

If you don't egg him on, then he will eventually fade away like all monsters do.

[HorseShit]

thread is so funny

[StuartD]

That hurt just skimming it. Do you two take english as a second language??
If that's how the two of you "talk business", it's amazing that you don't both own billion dollar corporations.

[Si]

Originally Posted by TeenCat

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by Jon Clark

Actually it is a typo... "can't" is what was ment.. And it is obvious...

Obivious to who? I think all of us here see it the way it was typed.

Find me one person who believes you made a typo.