HorseShit

Without a board presence for them I hardly ever think about them much anymore since I don't frequent other boards too much when I'm not banned from here, what about you people? I used to do pretty well with lightspeed but simply forget about them from time to time

LeRoy

I thought he left a while back. Kinda miss the guy around here.

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HorseShit

It can't be helping their business

PR_Sebas

I'm sure Steve and those guys are doing just fine without GFY.

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HorseShit

really? didn't sweetums and another employee get let go?

StuartD

Steve's on his way to Hawaii. If you were at the webmaster access there, I'm sure you could ask him.

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lightspeed is still going strong.

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Speaking personally, I know Steve and Lightspeed are doing great!

From a business relationship standpoint, I have a ton of RevShare Hosting guys promoting Lightspeed and making good money.

Long live Lightspeed!!

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he is in hawaii right now, im sure having a blast and doing a ton of business.

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HorseShit

I know GFY doesn't represent the whole adult industry but there are a lot of potential affiliates on here, just don't see how it's beneficial at all, I'm not flaming them or anyone for their decision just a personal observation

pornguy

I think he drops in from time to time, but like so many others, he got tired of all the Bullshit around here.

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Rochard

I'm sure Lightspeed Cash is doing fine. Just yesterday I put this up on my blog:

http://www.rochardsbunnyranch.com/bl...n-panties.html

Still make a few hundred dollars with them every month, have been for years!

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Kiwigirl

Rest assure that LightSpeed is still going strong jdavis.
They have always converted well and continue to do so. And I am sure that Steve's lack of board whoring hasn't affected his affiliate sales. hehehe
Long live LightSpeed!

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commonsense

Silly thread.

TheMaster

I agree with Justin, it's been ages since anything happened with Lightspeed, conversions went down the drain mid 2008.

Seems I'm not the only one, others have said the same, their TOP100 affiliates list says that their number one affiliate made $494 in the last 31 days, didn't that use to be $3500 in 2007?

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i was shocked to see sweetums leave

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Socks

Well, at least Tawnee is still 19, almost 10 years later.

You can always count on that!

Socks

Bah double post.

Darkhorse

They were my first sponsor, and funny enough I only thought of them yesterday so going to push some more traffic to them....

thekingz

ya I think so

Shap

Wow i never noticed that. Their top affiliate used to be 10K+. I have to say for lightspeed to list the top affiliate doing $494 is pretty embarrassing. I'm surprised he still lists that. I would have removed that a long time ago.

Agent 488

you know i was wondering the same thing man.

WiredGuy

I agree, that top affiliate page can work against you if sales aren't doing well.
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Dodge2hot

Your right. It use to be in the Thousands not hundreds. So yeah I see their affiliate sales have dropped.

Not that it means they have, but atleast affiliate sales have dropped for them.

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DynamiteJohnson

You would hide the truth from your affiliates? Nice.

Shap

Coming from a tool that hides his identity

xNetworx

That info is not usually shown to affiliates. I've seen that info on only a handful of programs. I find it hard to believe the #1 Lightspeed affiliate only made $500 in 31 days. If that is true, that is not good.

Sly

It wouldn't exactly be "hiding the truth." It would be "being less transparent." No program is required to be transparent.

Vox

Is it really that surprising? I don't think they updated any sites in over a year. Good peeps over there, but it seems like it's a dead program now.

jcsike

what a dick, from the guy that registered lightspeeds trademarked names to begin with

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Mutt

How is it embarrasing? If he was launching sites it would be a different story but he's not - i haven't spoken to Steve in a few months but i know he wasn't planning to launch anything in this shaky time in the industry. Solo girl sites are boom or bust, he hit the jackpot on two of them. He's milking things for now, my guess is he's still making half a mil a year without working at all, no expenses, no employees, everything automated.

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BigRod

Yikes, are their big affiliates leaving or are they just not converting anymore?

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polish_aristocrat

some points..

* the fact that a program owner isn't posting on a board, shouldn't mean shit to current affiliates. The OP says he's not thinking about LightSpeedcash anymore because Steve isn't posting... well, if you're an current affiliate, then it shouldn't matter to you if he's posting or not.

* $500 per month earned by the #1 affiliate, IS in fact very little, and "embarassing" isn't really a wrong word for it.
But he's already made his millions so maybe he just stopped caring about that program, no matter what some peeps say.
Phil Flash Cash is also showing much smaller numbers than a few years ago.

* I doubt Steve still makes $500k per year from LightSpeedCash like Mutt said... . IMO ulikely that rebills and type-ins earn him that much, but then again, he's already made the $$$.

* some trend I noticed, solo girl sites have faded away a little, seems that ex-gf's sites replaced them to some degree.

* no matter what some people say, this industry IS down. Half of the once popular programs are probably seeing daily sales a good few times smaller than they once had. But they are still alive and still having their solid reputation and they might be perceived as bigger than they actually are. On the other hand some programs with next to none affiliate traffic, are showing much bigger numbers just from buying/selling cross-sales. Hint - TG screenshot posted by an ex-employee a few months ago. Welcome to mid-2009.

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TheDoc

First... I'm not speaking about Steve - it's targeted towards everyone. And I have to get that out of the way or the ICQ's from douches follow...

Listen, if you build in house traffic, you can tell the forums to fuck off. But for the other 99% of the Adult Programs, they can't. And PROOF of that is in the #'s you see ALL over the Internet.

At the same time, PLENTY of programs are posting record sales, rebills, conversions, and the list goes on. As if NOTHING is wrong.... Why?

Because the "ONLY" problem if you will.. is the lack of skills in business/marketing. Period. The people hurting today, got lucky yesterday.. The people making it today, always had the skills.

Just because you shoot some pretty girls or come up with a nifty idea, doesn't mean it's going to last for ever. Nothing on the Internet has stayed the same, not a single thing...

Other than the niches people shoot.... think about it.


More money is being made by more "business people" in porn today, than EVER before.

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Drake

If that's true, it's not good. I'm sure he's still doing well on 10s of thousands of rebills. He's made millions, and likely enough to retire as is. From what I understand, that program generated lots of it's own traffic so it was never completely affiliate driven.

Drake

Besides, who's to say that he hasn't already been investing in other businesses ventures in or outside of the adult industry for a long time now.

Mutt

i'm right - give or take 50K

once you have a hit solo girl site the money keeps coming for a long ass time - the promo content is out there forever, thousands and thousands of galleries, forums, rapidshare, members who forget to cancel or just keep rebilling to see rotated updates they've never seen before - Lightspeed has above average rebills.

he had two monster solo teen model sites - Tawnee Stone and Jordan Capri - those two alone would make in my estimation 400K net

my solo site model Dawson Miller didn't stick around and couldnt become as big as Tawnee and Jordan - and in year three of Dawson, with rotated content, it will net $120-150K.

That's how I figure with two solo sites that were bigger PLUS about 20 other solo and multi model sites he's still making 500K floating on a raft in his pool with the only expense being hosting.

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HorseShit

This thread is about Lightspeed Cash in general, not just Steve. It's mostly referring to a board presence that LSC no longer has is all, what Steve does business wise is his own deal and completely different from the point of this thread.

TheDoc

You people and your numbers, you have no clue.. 500k a year? I can't say still is, BUT IT WAS A MULTI MILLION DOLLAR PROGRAM. That's prob at least 3 Million a year, at least.

And you think he dropped to 500k a year? 20-30 sales a day sustained for years, 1300 members? Even if he is at those numbers today, it still wouldn't have hit 500k, even if he kicked all his affiliates out and lived on the rebills and inhouse traffic, it wouldn't be at 500k a year.

I'm sure LS has taken a hit.. But people, wake up... my program makes $500k a year and I haven't updated sites in 2 years. 500k a year is a "sleeper" program, and Steve is FAR from Sleeping.

I can list the programs an arm long that are 500k a year programs, and I know they don't have half the sites, half the exposure, half the life, damn sure not the girls names.

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jcsike

what you say makes sense, but it must be a lot easier said than done because that was posted by a nats programmer who started 3 failed programs/companies, evilgeniuscash, bigcockcontent and mafiabucks

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TheDoc

Well.. First, I didn't start Mafia, I saved it from not paying affiliates out and closed it when the partner broke our deal. However, saving it was my investment to own it, so I closed it.

BCC, we changed the name... It's still going, 40k investment for 1.5 million net return.. still has clients today. That's FAR from failed.

EGC made me a few million.. After some stuff out of my control happened, I lost my motivation and quit. But that program far from failed, at one point it was doing 100+ sales a day on one site.

And that's not the only programs I have owned or still own. My biggest program is easily larger than any program posted in this thread, actually - without question.


I'm not a programmer either.. Actually, I suck really bad at code, plenty of people will back that up. So that must really toss your idea off of what I do.

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the thing about Lightspeed, steve and shannon, is that their program has a lot of personality, and steve has a long history of taking smaller webmasters under his arm and showing them the ropes.

the subject of lightspeed ignites a lot of passion around here, steve helped a lot of people out on here and when i first got on GFY, he was one of the few that kept me entertained

i can say i learned a lot from him, brilliant marketer

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Better luck next time, hehe.

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jcsike

actually that was the answer i expected.

its really easy to jump into a thread about a program thats down like any other program in a shitty market and say "well, the reason is the owners lack of skills"

i thought that was a dickish thing to say and then thought, well, what the fuck have i seen the thedoc do, except for pick up misc nats programming work? everything ive ever see him connected to appeared to fizzle out

oh, but you "vaguely" mention owning some program out there thats making a mint and thats why you can make comments like that

yea right, me too

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whatif_3

agreed, steve is still making a ton right now.

When the Botto brothers put Maxcash on auto pilot 6 or so years ago, i rememeber hearing that they were making 10% the revenue of what they were before, but were more profitable now than ever

but you have to get off your high horse bro, especially in a thread like this

TheDoc

The problem here is you "assume" because I sold or quit doing something, it failed... How stupid is that?

Programming wise, I have a coder, a damn good one too. Just like I have staff to do template installs. Do you assume I do all the work?

And it is a lack of owner skills.. That's why my skills get hired. People can't figure out how to correct or setup affiliate program, how to market them, exactly what to say to members/affiliates, etc.. and of course they want it to self grow with less or NO work.

Crazy thing... I make more money selling information, things I already created, hell even ideas and theory, and research - people love research.

This is my dream job...

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Sly

If the program is the one that I'm thinking of... he isn't lying. It made a lot of people a lot of money several years back. A lot. Then it ran into issues that I will not mention because it's not my place. :-)

jcsike

thats my point. he went through the success of a program, some things happened out of his control, apparently had problems

pretty disingenuous to go into this thread and say shit like "Because the "ONLY" problem if you will.. is the lack of skills in business/marketing."

in my experience, if you went through something like that and you know how hard it is to maintain control, you shut the fuck up

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