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ADL Colin · 02-25-2009, 09:43 AM

"I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it."

It's a tricky history but I wouldn't get the US credit for it. Maybe Karl Benz in Germany. Whatcha think?

pornguy · 02-25-2009, 09:47 AM

No I think the very first one was a ford.

Tanker · 02-25-2009, 09:49 AM

no ford put the automobile on an assembly line and pumped them out cheap

DrChango · 02-25-2009, 09:50 AM

It was Karl Benz, but the technology was perfected in the United States, and the assembly line was all us. Without that, cars would have been hand-crafted luxury items and I would have ridden a carriage to work this morning (rather than my roommate's sedan, lol)

Who the fuck is his speech writer, anyways? Was it Bush's speech writer?

jakethedog · 02-25-2009, 09:50 AM

Henry Ford is credited with standardization and interchangeability in the auto industry, maybe he meant something along those lines ..

dyna mo · 02-25-2009, 09:50 AM

adl colin, i've noticed your post/thread quality has gone done recently. i used to look forward to your comments re: stocks and such.

it's too bad that this is what you took from the speech last nite, i expected more from you.

BlackCrayon · 02-25-2009, 09:55 AM

Benz was the first to perfect the gas combustion engine but didn't manfacture entire cars until much later. Like others have pointed out ford was the first to allow affordable assembly line made cars. They could assemble a model t in something like an hour and half.

ADL Colin · 02-25-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

adl colin, i've noticed your post/thread quality has gone done recently. i used to look forward to your comments re: stocks and such.

it's too bad that this is what you took from the speech last nite, i expected more from you.

I myself find the history of technology to be fascinating. You're free not to participate.

There are multiple answers to who invented the automobile and it is interesting to see what people think about it. I would think most Americans would say Ford and most Europeans would say Benz.

Same with the history of the radio which has such interesting answers as Marconi, Tesla and Alexander Popov. Most know Marconi, some know Tesla, hardly anyone knows Popov outside of Eastern Europe. All legitimate answers in my opinion.

And how about TV? Is it Farnsworth or Zworykin?

And the WWW? Would you go with Tim Berners-Lee or Al Gore?!

ADL Colin · 02-25-2009, 10:01 AM

According to the American "Library of Congress" there is not a straightforward answer
though if you had to give credit to one inventor it would be "Karl Benz".

http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/auto.html

Darkland · 02-25-2009, 10:01 AM

That caught me off guard too... I thought it was a pretty ignorant thing to say.

ADL Colin · 02-25-2009, 10:03 AM

Wiki::
Karl Friedrich Benz, sometimes spelled as Carl, (November 25, 1844, Karlsruhe, – April 4, 1929, Ladenburg, Germany) was a German engine designer and automobile engineer, generally regarded as the inventor of the gasoline-powered automobile and pioneering founder of the automobile manufacturer, Mercedes-Benz. Other German contemporaries, Gottlieb Daimler and Wilhelm Maybach working as partners, also worked on similar types of inventions, without knowledge of the work of the other, but Benz patented his work first and, after that, patented all of the processes that made the internal combustion engine feasible for use in automobiles. In 1879 Benz was granted a patent for his first engine, which he designed in 1878.

Darkland · 02-25-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin

According to the American "Library of Congress" there is not a straightforward answer
though if you had to give credit to one inventor it would be "Karl Benz".

http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/auto.html

Why Carl Benz? The first known "automobile" was a steam run creation of French inventor Nicolas Cugnot in 1769. If we were being "combustion engine" specific then yes it would be Benz, but we are talking about the first "automobile."

Wizzo · 02-25-2009, 10:09 AM

Yea he should have added "industry" behind it, but overall the guy can give a hell of speech...

DK · 02-25-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DrChango

Who the fuck is his speech writer, anyways? Was it Bush's speech writer?

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First of all, That answer is a grey area. You can research and get different correct answers, his being one of them.

Second, Obama is one of the greatest speakers of all time. To compare him to Bush is plain ignorant

PlugRush Sascha · 02-25-2009, 10:11 AM

Giving Ford credit for creating the automobile because he set up an assembly line is like giving Google credit for creating the Internet because they allow you to search it quickly.

He probably meant setting up the assembly line and thus making automobiles affordable, but saying the US invented the automobile is still an ignorant statement. He should have worded it differently.

However, if that's all we have to complain about when he gives a speech, that's a good thing!

PlugRush Sascha · 02-25-2009, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkland

Why Carl Benz? The first known "automobile" was a steam run creation of French inventor Nicolas Cugnot in 1769. If we were being "combustion engine" specific then yes it would be Benz, but we are talking about the first "automobile."

I'll be fucked if we're gonna give France credit for anything but baguette.

SmokeyTheBear · 02-25-2009, 10:15 AM

well since nations dont invent things and people do , i would suspect he was speaking in "broad" terms. i.e. america was the pioneer of the auto industry.

Slappin Fish · 02-25-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin

There are multiple answers to who invented the automobile and it is interesting to see what people think about it. I would think most Americans would say Ford and most Europeans would say Benz.

Ford wasn't even the first American production line manufacturer, it was Oldsmobile.

Almost a decade before Ford Oldsmobile had started producing more affordable cars on a production line...

Oh and Benz weren't building cars only licensing patents and selling engines, the first gasoline car manufacturer was Peugeot.

Trax · 02-25-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ktj4l

Giving Ford credit for creating the automobile because he set up an assembly line is like giving Google credit for creating the Internet because they allow you to search it quickly.

exactly lol
well said

nico-t · 02-25-2009, 10:31 AM

i think mc ren should write the speech of any president.

I'm sneaky as FUCK when it comes to crime!

Penthouse Tony · 02-25-2009, 10:40 AM

I caught that too. He probably meant (I hope) America invented modern car manufacturing.

crockett · 02-25-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

No I think the very first one was a ford.

No Henry Ford just made them affordable and set up the production line.

GatorB · 02-25-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF

I caught that too. He probably meant (I hope) America invented modern car manufacturing.

I'm sure that's what he meant and anyone that gets all pissy about this is fucked up.

HorseShit · 02-25-2009, 10:45 AM

close enough, fuck it

GatorB · 02-25-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ktj4l

Giving Ford credit for creating the automobile because he set up an assembly line is like giving Google credit for creating the Internet because they allow you to search it quickly.

He probably meant setting up the assembly line and thus making automobiles affordable, but saying the US invented the automobile is still an ignorant statement. He should have worded it differently.

However, if that's all we have to complain about when he gives a speech, that's a good thing!

YOU=ANAL get over it.

Germans are also good at starting wars and having us kick their asses.

TheSenator · 02-25-2009, 10:51 AM

The Republicans are outrage!

MaDalton · 02-25-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

YOU=ANAL get over it.

Germans are also good at starting wars and having us kick their asses.

at least we gave up on starting new ones after 1945

ADL Colin · 02-25-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkland

Why Carl Benz? The first known "automobile" was a steam run creation of French inventor Nicolas Cugnot in 1769. If we were being "combustion engine" specific then yes it would be Benz, but we are talking about the first "automobile."

If you wanna go THERE then why not Ferdinand Verbiest?

scuba steve · 02-25-2009, 11:06 AM

pretty sure if bush had said this, no one would be defending him and everyone would be adding it to his resume of idiocies

doesn't mean i like bush either, i'm just saying...

Darkland · 02-25-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin

If you wanna go THERE then why not Ferdinand Verbiest?

"Around 1672 he designed ? as a toy for the Chinese Emperor ? a steam-propelled trolley which was, quite possibly, the first working steam-powered vehicle ('auto-mobile').... only 60cm long.... It is not known if Verbiest's model was ever built at the time."

We are talking about "practical" inventions, as in completed to working models. Leonardo made sketched designs for a helicopter but he isn't the "inventor" who works out all the technical bugs for a working model.

I could sketch a design for a time machine or a teleporter but that doesn't make ME the inventor.

Quagmire · 02-25-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

at least we gave up on starting new ones after 1945

By far the best comeback of the day. Kudos to you man.

bobby666 · 02-25-2009, 11:15 AM

the car was invented by a white european, black president mixed somethig up

GonZo · 02-25-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

adl colin, i've noticed your post/thread quality has gone done recently. i used to look forward to your comments re: stocks and such.

it's too bad that this is what you took from the speech last nite, i expected more from you.

Im sure Colin is crushed.

HomerSimpson · 02-25-2009, 11:20 AM

Obama is lama'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile

minddust · 02-25-2009, 11:24 AM

sure you can't walk away with it, because the goddamn fucking check engine light is on

ADL Colin · 02-25-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkland

"Around 1672 he designed ? as a toy for the Chinese Emperor ? a steam-propelled trolley which was, quite possibly, the first working steam-powered vehicle ('auto-mobile').... only 60cm long.... It is not known if Verbiest's model was ever built at the time."

We are talking about "practical" inventions, as in completed to working models. Leonardo made sketched designs for a helicopter but he isn't the "inventor" who works out all the technical bugs for a working model.

I could sketch a design for a time machine or a teleporter but that doesn't make ME the inventor.

I don't disagree with you. Sketching it ain't inventing it. Like you said "It is not known if Verbiest's model was ever built". Possibly it was. It's not likely we'll ever know.

ADL Colin · 02-25-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkland

"Around 1672 he designed ? as a toy for the Chinese Emperor ? a steam-propelled trolley which was, quite possibly, the first working steam-powered vehicle ('auto-mobile').... only 60cm long.... It is not known if Verbiest's model was ever built at the time."

We are talking about "practical" inventions, as in completed to working models. Leonardo made sketched designs for a helicopter but he isn't the "inventor" who works out all the technical bugs for a working model.

I could sketch a design for a time machine or a teleporter but that doesn't make ME the inventor.

Apparently Cugnot and Verbiest are in the same boat. Did they actually build them? Did they actually run?

"Although Nicolas-Joseph Cugnot is often credited with building the first self-propelled mechanical vehicle or automobile in about 1769 by adapting an existing horse-drawn vehicle, this claim is disputed by some, who doubt Cugnot's three-wheeler ever ran or was stable"

roly · 02-25-2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin

There are multiple answers to who invented the automobile and it is interesting to see what people think about it. I would think most Americans would say Ford and most Europeans would say Benz.

And how about TV? Is it Farnsworth or Zworykin?

it definitely wasn't ford, but it's a common misconception.

JP-pornshooter · 02-25-2009, 11:40 AM

who cares.. Obama was speaking to the american people who in general believe that america did "invent" the automobile and since it is popular belief, it must be correct.

what is 100% correct is that America perfected and branded the automobile, not an invention but surely much more important.

Renegade Jeff · 02-25-2009, 11:41 AM

It wont matter once the oil is gone.

roly · 02-25-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

who cares.. Obama was speaking to the american people who in general believe that america did "invent" the automobile and since it is popular belief, it must be correct.

what is 100% correct is that America perfected and branded the automobile, not an invention but surely much more important.

you didn't perfect the automobile, ford perfected at the time mass production.

ADL Colin · 02-25-2009, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Renegade Jeff

It wont matter once the oil is gone.

Whats wrong with steam powered cars?

Redmanthatcould · 02-25-2009, 11:52 AM

Sounds to me like you are really stretching. If that's the only thing you took away from what he said, then I'm thoroughly impressed. Bravo.

ADL Colin · 02-25-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

what is 100% correct is that America perfected and branded the automobile, not an invention but surely much more important.

When did America perfect the automobile? GM? Ford?

I'll stick to my Mercedes.

dyna mo · 02-25-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GonZo

Im sure Colin is crushed.

just like you by the adult industry?

ADL Colin · 02-25-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by VS_Jeff

Sounds to me like you are really stretching. If that's the only thing you took away from what he said, then I'm thoroughly impressed. Bravo.

What is it that you "took away from what he said" Jeff?

ADL Colin · 02-25-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

since it is popular belief, it must be correct.

errr, wow.

xmas13 · 02-25-2009, 12:11 PM

Nationalism/patriotism. I thought it was wrong and politically incorrect.

Oh wait, it's financially correct these days. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Brujah · 02-25-2009, 12:12 PM

I think we should impeach him now. I'm outraged!

nico-t · 02-25-2009, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

at least we gave up on starting new ones after 1945

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ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	Wiki:: Karl Friedrich Benz, sometimes spelled as Carl, (November 25, 1844, Karlsruhe, – April 4, 1929, Ladenburg, Germany) was a German engine designer and automobile engineer, generally regarded as the inventor of the gasoline-powered automobile and pioneering founder of the automobile manufacturer, Mercedes-Benz. Other German contemporaries, Gottlieb Daimler and Wilhelm Maybach working as partners, also worked on similar types of inventions, without knowledge of the work of the other, but Benz patented his work first and, after that, patented all of the processes that made the internal combustion engine feasible for use in automobiles. In 1879 Benz was granted a patent for his first engine, which he designed in 1878. __________________ Adult Date Link - $50 PPS starting NOW! -- good and JUICY! skype = "adultdatelink"

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