Turkish Airlines plane crashses on Amsterdam Airport

[DutchTeenCash]

plane is in 3 pieces 5 unconfirmed death many wounded



http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe...dam/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/wor...ash.watson.cnn

LIVE http://www.nos.nl/journaal24/wmv.html

[DutchTeenCash]

[who]

3-part landing?

[Czech]

Yep watching it on CNN now.

[Pixelbucks Eric]

Press conference a few minutes ago: 9 confirmed deaths so far.

[Bike]

My sister works in the ER and is helping the wounded at the moment

[nico-t]

cheap ass turkish planes

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by nico-t

cheap ass turkish planes

ill never fly those

if you wonder why its only $25 to istanbul you know why now. Seen a doc on tv once bout spareparts for planes, theyre hell expensive and theres a huge aftermarket for 2nd hand b or c graded parts, these airlines use them all over

[grumpy]

Originally Posted by DutchTeenCash

ill never fly those

if you wonder why its only $25 to istanbul you know why now. Seen a doc on tv once bout spareparts for planes, theyre hell expensive and theres a huge aftermarket for 2nd hand b or c graded parts, these airlines use them all over

this company is what KLM is to holland. Plane is only 7 years old ( made in 2002)
Get your facts straight before you start to bash a company.

Idiot remarks!!

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by grumpy

this company is what KLM is to holland. Plane is only 7 years old ( made in 2002)
Get your facts straight before you start to bash a company.

Idiot remarks!!

klm: 8 crash records since 1950

http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/a...tch+Airline s

turkish airlines: 13 crash records since 1959

http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/a...rkish+Airlines

onar air: 7 incendents since 2006

I think we can safely say that price stunters on international flights to Turkey arent the safest, Im sure you still remember this

Onur Air were temporarily suspended from taking off or landing in France, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Germany for alleged safety breaches and the alleged need to tighten security standards. The airline denies all allegations, but 40,000 passengers were left grounded as a result. Talks were held with the Dutch aviation authorities

[HorseShit]

a lot of plane crashes lately

[Lykos]

hmmm Serbian air company had just 3 crashes... and from those 3 ,in 1st there weren't any dead,and on 3rd crash it was shut down by Czech military?wtf,lol
http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/a...oslav+Airlines
So we are pretty safe then,lol

[Toni]

damn that sucks

[grumpy]

Originally Posted by DutchTeenCash

klm: 8 crash records since 1950

http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/a...tch+Airline s

turkish airlines: 13 crash records since 1959

http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/a...rkish+Airlines

onar air: 7 incendents since 2006

I think we can safely say that price stunters on international flights to Turkey arent the safest, Im sure you still remember this

Onur Air were temporarily suspended from taking off or landing in France, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Germany for alleged safety breaches and the alleged need to tighten security standards. The airline denies all allegations, but 40,000 passengers were left grounded as a result. Talks were held with the Dutch aviation authorities

you better check the crashes dutch companies made, they are the biggest in history.
You are way of.

[Antonio]

That's what I've been hearing all morning, I'm listening to some Dutch (I think) radio and all I hear is crash and plane or something of that sort, now I know what the hell they've been talking about.

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by grumpy

you better check the crashes dutch companies made, they are the biggest in history.
You are way of.

transavia: 1
martinair: 2

so where am I of? Dont make this some racial shit, you have no clue who I am. Onur air has a very very bad record, the whole not allowing to land ordeal wasnt set for no reason.

[grumpy]

Originally Posted by DutchTeenCash

transavia: 1
martinair: 2

so where am I of? Dont make this some racial shit, you have no clue who I am. Onur air has a very very bad record, the whole not allowing to land ordeal wasnt set for no reason.

This is not onur air.
I dont care who you are.

so you dont fly martinair or transavia for that reason?

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by grumpy

This is not onur air.
I dont care who you are.

so you dont fly martinair or transavia for that reason?

you said

Originally Posted by grumpy

you better check the crashes dutch companies made, they are the biggest in history.

You are way of.

so I dont get how 'the biggest in history' is 1 and 2 the last decade when Turkish Airlines has 13 crashes

13 is more then 1 and 2 I think

[grumpy]

this is getting stupid if you cant remember what you post

[quote Originally Posted by nico-t View Post
cheap ass turkish planes[/quote]

ill never fly those
if you wonder why its only $25 to istanbul you know why now. Seen a doc on tv once bout spareparts for planes, theyre hell expensive and theres a huge aftermarket for 2nd hand b or c graded parts, these airlines use them all over

done here

[nico-t]

well i just dont trust those glorified 3rd world country planes no matter what the companies say or how new the planes are or any other of their own arguments, call me ignorant i dont care... plus i know the working mentality of turks they're even more lazy and careless than me

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by grumpy

this is getting stupid if you cant remember what you post

Originally Posted by nico-t

cheap ass turkish planes

Originally Posted by grumpy

done here

yes I wrote that yes so? I never said cheap ass turkish planes - nico did, I know they use the same planes as any other airline do, its how theyre maintained that counts.

What you wrote about dutch airlines is nonsense, Turkish Airlines has a crash record thats higher then all dutch airlines together - that says something imho.

[Cyndalie]

Oh man, those poor people

[UFGators2007]

Time to take the train...oh wait, thats not safe either. We're all gonna die!

[WebairGerard]

that's awful. seems to be a lot of plane crashes lately.

[DarkJedi]

fucking dutch stoners

[DarkJedi]

[WeirdHomer]

Originally Posted by nico-t

cheap ass turkish planes

Useless comment, don't talk if you don't know what your talking about...... this aircraft is a 737-800 and there is no doubt about it, it has winglets, the 737-800 is the only model that has them. This is one of the latest B737 models.

Originally Posted by DutchTeenCash

ill never fly those

if you wonder why its only $25 to istanbul you know why now. Seen a doc on tv once bout spareparts for planes, theyre hell expensive and theres a huge aftermarket for 2nd hand b or c graded parts, these airlines use them all over

How can a 737-800 use "2nd hand b or c graded parts"? Most of them didn't even go thruw a C-check because they don't have enough flight hours yet.

Originally Posted by Davey Jones

fucking dutch stoners

Your just a dumbass, once more proven.

To grumpy:

KLM does not have the most crashes, they infact have a good safety record. I think you are confusing the fact that KLM caused the crash with the most fatalities wich was in Tenerife when a KLM captain started take-off without permission and hit another aircraft wich was still on the runway, both aircraft where B747 Jumbo Jets.
So KLM = good safety record but crash with most fatalities.

[DutchTeenCash]

homer: youre right most dont have the c-check yet since its 2500 fh

they have this rumor going on now the plane left with not enough kerosene - im sure theyll find out soon

[tranza]

That is terrible...those plane accidents suck

[JamesK]

lol @ the arguing in this thread

[AtlantisCash]

Originally Posted by nico-t

well i just dont trust those glorified 3rd world country planes no matter what the companies say or how new the planes are or any other of their own arguments, call me ignorant i dont care... plus i know the working mentality of turks they're even more lazy and careless than me

You can turn even an accident to a racial shit? People like You're shame of humanity, did You even care about those 9 deaths and 50 wounded people rather then Turk Bashing?

[AtlantisCash]

Originally Posted by nico-t

cheap ass turkish planes

Do You have any proof or You're just talking out of Your ass? there are many foreigner students in Our university, lots of them are my A Specially the European students come with Erasmus program, so as i heard from some of them, They were saying Turkish airlines was expensive so they wanted to by the ticket from Their country.

Turkish Airlines is my ass, i could care less, which company was that but there are wounded and dead people are out their, You can be more show some respect, Me or You could be inside that plane also, Life isn't endless.

[AtlantisCash]

Correction because of Browser crash.

"
Originally Posted by nico-t
View Post
cheap ass turkish planes
Do You have any proof or You're just talking out of Your ass? there are many foreigner students in Our university, lots of them are my A Specially the
European students come with Erasmus program, so as i heard from some of them, They were saying Turkish airlines was expensive so they wanted to by the
ticket from Their country.

Turkish Airlines is my ass, i could care less, which company was that but there are wounded and dead people are out their, You can show some respect,
Me or You could be inside that plane also, Life isn't endless."

[WeirdHomer]

Originally Posted by DutchTeenCash

they have this rumor going on now the plane left with not enough kerosene - im sure they'll find out soon

Well i have been hearing the same here in Belgium but i'm 99% sure this isn't what happened. This was a scheduled flight with IFR flight plan so the aircraft took on enough kerosene to reach his destination + alternative + 30 Min's flight time which is the standard rule.

Facts: - Tail struck ground first - the aircraft didn't slide allot, it "dropped" onto terrain - eye witnesses report it having an abnormal "pitch up" attitude

Two possible scenarios from a pilots point of view:

A - The aircraft was very low on airspeed on final approach and started to stall due to pilots failure to keep enough airspeed, pilots tried to recover the stall but didn't have enough altitude. In this case it's a pilot error. I have my doubts about this scenario because the one engine i saw in the news pics and clips still had his basic structure and all blades so i doubt it was still running when it hit the ground else it would have destroyed the blades and the basic structure when the blades disintegrate on impact.

B - The aircraft suffered a loss of engine power, this can have many causes but again, i don't think running out of fuel is one of them. This would explain the extreme pitch up attitude, when you loose airspeed you have to add energy to keep flying, you add this energy by pitching the nose up but this also means you have to take the energy somewhere and this energy comes from the airspeed. So nose up -> slower descent but loss of airspeed -> finally you stall and drop. Also the aircraft crashed into a muddy field which i personally think was a pilots choice, so a controlled crash because the aircraft turned away from it's normal approach path to reach this field. The pilots never called out an emergency according to news reports, this would also indicate to me they had enough fuel else they would have asked for an emergency landing due to fuel starvation.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

Correction because of Browser crash.

"
Originally Posted by nico-t
View Post
cheap ass turkish planes
Do You have any proof or You're just talking out of Your ass? there are many foreigner students in Our university, lots of them are my A Specially the
European students come with Erasmus program, so as i heard from some of them, They were saying Turkish airlines was expensive so they wanted to by the
ticket from Their country.

Turkish Airlines is my ass, i could care less, which company was that but there are wounded and dead people are out their, You can show some respect,
Me or You could be inside that plane also, Life isn't endless."

well i dont really care, people i dont know die every day all over the world what difference does this incident make.... id be griefing 24 hours a day

[WeirdHomer]

Here is an update:

I just heard the ATC tapes with 1951 before and after the crash. All was going normal, when center handed of 1951 to approach the pilot asked if it was ok for him to hold speed, this indicates that they didn't have any problem at all, the pilot knows what speed they are doing and the speed was good for approach, the controller approved it.
I also heard someone who survived the crash saying the aircraft started to shake and second after that it started to plunge to the ground, to me this indicates it suffered an engine failure and at this altitude the pilots couldn't recover from it.

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by WeirdHomer

Here is an update:

I just heard the ATC tapes with 1951 before and after the crash. All was going normal, when center handed of 1951 to approach the pilot asked if it was ok for him to hold speed, this indicates that they didn't have any problem at all, the pilot knows what speed they are doing and the speed was good for approach, the controller approved it.
I also heard someone who survived the crash saying the aircraft started to shake and second after that it started to plunge to the ground, to me this indicates it suffered an engine failure and at this altitude the pilots couldn't recover from it.

I thought A as well - ppl stated it literally fell out of the air it stalled not enough speed, but it wasnt that, one guy one dutch radio said it shaked horribly then 10 secs later crashed, engine failure during landing would result in this for sure, it would tip one wing maybe, shame noone has video, but theyll find out

what bothers me is that the Turkish authorities stated minor injuries while they removed the first bodybags - I really feel sorry for all those ppl

comes to mind they do have a huge amount of seagulls on that landing strip, its a real problem, if the same thing happened as the NY plane last month then that would explain more

[StaceyJo]

Terrible news.

[WeirdHomer]

Originally Posted by DutchTeenCash

I thought A as well - ppl stated it literally fell out of the air it stalled not enough speed, but it wasnt that, one guy one dutch radio said it shaked horribly then 10 secs later crashed, engine failure during landing would result in this for sure, it would tip one wing maybe, shame noone has video, but theyll find out

what bothers me is that the Turkish authorities stated minor injuries while they removed the first bodybags - I really feel sorry for all those ppl

comes to mind they do have a huge amount of seagulls on that landing strip, its a real problem, if the same thing happened as the NY plane last month then that would explain more

I did a few appraoches myself to the "polderbaan" and indeed they have a problem with birds overthere. If i recall correct out of my head the polderbaan is 18R and i sure did see alot of birds there. i also did some approaches to the kaagbaan, i think that's 06 and they don't have that problem overthere but wheren't they making plans to shut down the porlderbaan and use 18C instead?

[John-ACWM]

Heard it on discovery that the safest zone in a plane is next to the wing

[WeirdHomer]

Originally Posted by John-ACWM

Heard it on discovery that the safest zone in a plane is next to the wing

If discovery made a statement like this they should read up on fuel tanks and location of them
Safest is the tail section or the seats right after the flight deck.

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by WeirdHomer

I did a few appraoches myself to the "polderbaan" and indeed they have a problem with birds overthere. If i recall correct out of my head the polderbaan is 18R and i sure did see alot of birds there. i also did some approaches to the kaagbaan, i think that's 06 and they don't have that problem overthere but wheren't they making plans to shut down the porlderbaan and use 18C instead?

polderbaan is 18r-36l yes

and yes youre right they want that one closed, mainly cause the noiselevel is way way too much, but Schiphol is stuck it has to expend but also has to comply with rules and due to the flighttax it got a big hit in the face with a lot less turnover as well

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by John-ACWM

Heard it on discovery that the safest zone in a plane is next to the wing

you dont have to be a tech guy to understand that sitting next to 26.025 liters of fuel isnt the safest place

[WeirdHomer]

Originally Posted by DutchTeenCash

polderbaan is 18r-36l yes

and yes youre right they want that one closed, mainly cause the noiselevel is way way too much, but Schiphol is stuck it has to expend but also has to comply with rules and due to the flighttax it got a big hit in the face with a lot less turnover as well

Well from an airliners economic view polderbaan is a big no no :-)
I used to fly City Bird's MD-11 up there (OO-CTB) and we had to do ILS to polderbaan almost every time. Even when i asked for another approach they usually declined it..... although they allowed allot of KLM aircraft another runway when they asked.... heh, Dutch controllers :-)
Anyway, the taxi out from that runway is fuel and time consuming.... a bit over the edge if you ask me. Most of the time we had the papers ready and cockpit prepared for crew change before we where half way to the gate haha.

[LiveDose]

I can't even imagine how terrifying it must be to experience something like that on a commercial flight.