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aniloscash · 03-02-2009, 02:38 PM

sex tube thats interested it would seem to me google should own anything that uses the name tube. aka youtube which came first.

mpahlca · 03-02-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by aniloscash

sex tube thats interested it would seem to me google should own anything that uses the name tube. aka youtube which came first.

Sorry but please read the thread you will see sextube.com was registered prior to youtube.com

Brujah · 03-02-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Davey Jones

http://www.darksidedata.com/twistys2.txt

Yes, indeed you own more copyright infriging names.

Steve doesn't mind Shap owning LightSpeedSorority.com either? I hope we can get mpahlca to explain how this is different.

Lamis · 03-02-2009, 02:41 PM

Karma is doing it's job... everyone gets hit SOON or LATE..

chio was one...

I will really enjoy when the canadian PIG gets hit by KARMA... Because HE WILL get HIT soon or late... We need to put some sharks near that boat.

Agent 488 · 03-02-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Just sucks that you have to hire a lawyer to keep a website with almost no traffic.

?

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...ardsextube.com

03-02-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hdkiller

hardsextube is my trademark in hungary... also my domain is registered before your trade mark... you are a trademark troll..

If that is the case then fight to keep it.

Deej · 03-02-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

I'm going to register "Amazing Content" and then sue every other content seller who claims to have amazing content ;)))

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Oh shit...my bad

OMG roffleskates galore!!!!

Youre going doooown DEAN!!!!

mpahlca · 03-02-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by hdkiller

hardsextube is my trademark in hungary... also my domain is registered before your trade mark... you are a trademark troll..

hardsextube.com created on 21 Mar 2007

you think so? we will find out with Icann good luck.

CrkMStanz · 03-02-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

I can't believe how many people are backing a guy who built his traffic on stolen content lol

I really am not backing him but (i hate stolen content users) .... but...

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Originally Posted by Mr.Right

Let's be realistic here. Someone having hardsextube.com name in no way collides with your sextube.com site. You just want to take away some juicy names and you're hiding behind the "our lawyer did it" excuse.

you can't reasonably expect that because you have full rights to sextube.com that you automatically have rights to...

hardsextube.com
bluesextube.com
wetsextube.com
joessextube.com
mandysextube.com
cnotesextube.com
pillsextube.com
softsextube.com
.
.
.
.
[insertanyname]sextube.com
.
.
.
.
toinfinitysextube.com

or do you...?

ContentPimp · 03-02-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Matyko

you see, some just see that you're trying to "hijack" a tube site way more bigger and valuable than yours...

Btw it was so weak to use the stolen content card :P I suggest you to change your lawyer to a better one, like mine

i like your master of litigation ;)

Brujah · 03-02-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mpahlca

hardsextube.com created on 21 Mar 2007

you think so? we will find out with Icann good luck.

Don't get busted reverse domain hijacking. That's a precedence you don't want to set so early.

03-02-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mpahlca

hardsextube.com created on 21 Mar 2007

you think so? we will find out with Icann good luck.

Do you really need to be such an ass to him? There is no need for Twisty's to try and take his site. Like someone pointed out Shap owns a lot of copyright infriging names. I would like to see LightSpeed come after you.

mpahlca · 03-02-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Steve doesn't mind Shap owning LightSpeedSorority.com either? I hope we can get mpahlca to explain how this is different.

As i posted earlier on our position let Steve hit us up about it.

starpimps · 03-02-2009, 02:47 PM

tube.com trademark is going to go after sextube and youtube

Brujah · 03-02-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mpahlca

As i posted earlier on our position let Steve hit us up about it.

So your position is, it's OK if Shap does it. It's BAD if anyone else does it.

03-02-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mpahlca

As i posted earlier on our position let Steve hit us up about it.

Ok. I will send him the link to this thread. I am sure he will hit you up about it.

Cyandin · 03-02-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

That's a stupid comment, especially coming from a host. Trademark is trademark.

Brad

No, what's stupid is your inability to formulate an intelligent response to my statement.

hdkiller · 03-02-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mpahlca

hardsextube.com created on 21 Mar 2007

you think so? we will find out with Icann good luck.

let we see exposed how hungarians sue a company for a few millions of bucks

hdkiller · 03-02-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fris

Shap funds stolen content sites, hes part of the problem as well.

yeah who keep alive the puretna where all of the youporn contents come from

expose?

mpahlca · 03-02-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JaneB

Do you really need to be such an ass to him? There is no need for Twisty's to try and take his site. Like someone pointed out Shap owns a lot of copyright infriging names. I would like to see LightSpeed come after you.

I am sorry why am I being and ass? he owns a trademarked domain that he built illegally with stolen content and using our trademark? We sent a letter asking him to turn it over, thats his problem, if Steve would like his domain back thats up to him, and if he has the trademark we would by law have to turn it over wouldn't we.

hdkiller · 03-02-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

I don't believe he even has a hungarian trademark. I may be wrong. From the searches I ran nothing came up.

i do, i have legal documents, also i have top lawyers.. money speak you know...

Lamis · 03-02-2009, 02:52 PM

SHAP... yo make 100k per month of profit...

I can't believe that your LAWYER SUCKS SO MUCH DUDE... LOL...

Are there no real lawyers in bahamas or what???

He don't even know the law... LOL....

Rice_Master · 03-02-2009, 02:52 PM

just checked out http://www.hardsextube.com, it's a pretty big site according to alexa...if i were shap i'd try to take the domain away as well

mpahlca · 03-02-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

So your position is, it's OK if Shap does it. It's BAD if anyone else does it.

Not bad good business.

cherrylula · 03-02-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

I can't believe how many people are backing a guy who built his traffic on stolen content lol

how can you say this when you run tube sites? come on now...

Trax · 03-02-2009, 02:53 PM

if hardsextube.com was there before sextube.com as the guy from hungary claims he has nothing to fear anyway....

Sands · 03-02-2009, 02:54 PM

We sure got a lot of snow here in NY. It's crazy how it just keeps coming down. Like an unending cascade.

notime · 03-02-2009, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

I'm going to register "Amazing Content" and then sue every other content seller who claims to have amazing content ;)))

Can I pay you in beer then ?

mpahlca · 03-02-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula

how can you say this when you run tube sites? come on now...

Check ours for any stolen content we are 100% legit, and always have been even when people called us out no one found a single link that had illegal content instead we advertise the sites completely, by surrounding their videos with contextual ads.

We police every video on our sites and check with the users who do submit to double check the age and verification of the videos. We also invite sponsors to submit and work closely with many to make sure their videos get the most clicks and sales we make money 100% as affiliate based tubes.

Brujah · 03-02-2009, 02:56 PM

If hardsextube.com needs to find a great lawyer to defend his position with ICANN, contact me. I'd be glad to help. Any domain owners with generic domains need to make sure their domain rights are protected against reverse domain hijackers.

mpahlca · 03-02-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Trax

if hardsextube.com was there before sextube.com as the guy from hungary claims he has nothing to fear anyway....

it was not

03-02-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mpahlca

Not bad good business.

How is that good business? You are doing the same exact thing that you are going after other people for.

Redmanthatcould · 03-02-2009, 02:57 PM

I don't claim to be a trademark lawyer, but from what I have heard / been told, if you know of a site infringing on your trademark, and don't take action, you could potentially lose your mark.

So I don't think it has anything to do with "abusing a policy", but I think it has everything to do with protecting their mark.

HorseShit · 03-02-2009, 02:58 PM

if hardsextube.com had an alexa rank of 5 million would you guys still be going through all of this?

PornMD · 03-02-2009, 02:58 PM

Registration date and even trademark date isn't as important as USAGE.

"What are common law rights?

Federal registration is not required to establish rights in a trademark. Common law rights arise from actual use of a mark."

Arguably, since "tube" isn't yet technically considered a generic term referring to a website with videos on it, YouTube could have the jump on all sites with "tube" in them that are operating a similar style video site because such sites are piggybacking on the popularity of YouTube, which has had common law trademark rights since its first usage of YouTube as a video site. From the looks of things, SexTube was still under construction in at least part of 2006 while YouTube was very much in use as a video site.

All that said, given SexTube's usage began before HardSexTube and they are trademarked, they probably will win. But if I were them or any other tube site with "tube" or possibly even "you" in the name, I would not be surprised if sometime in the future, YouTube knocks on their door. Google has bullied others out of their domains/sites before and will gladly do it again with their ridiculous amount of lawyers/money.

What I don't get are people that support copyright infringement but not trademark infringement or vice versa. I don't think Shap would look bad at all in this thread if he wasn't supporting tube sites with stolen content or had typo domains. There's a difference between protecting your trademark/wanting law upheld and thinking law should only apply to you when you can benefit from it and not when you're breaking it or supporting those that break it. You can do whatever you want, but don't be surprised when others don't take kindly to it.

mpahlca · 03-02-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hdkiller

i do, i have legal documents, also i have top lawyers.. money speak you know...

Then why didn't your respond with the legal documents instead of having your friend post here?

BV · 03-02-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mpahlca

For your records:

youtube.com Created on..............: 2005-02-14
sextube.com Created on..............: 2004-10-31

actually sextube was first registered in 1998

problem you guys have is that sextube was never a "tube" site until just recently (past 6 mos or so), so you might have a hard time in court

cess · 03-02-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mpahlca

if Steve would like his domain back thats up to him, and if he has the trademark we would by law have to turn it over wouldn't we.

If Steve didn't know about it or any other names that you guys own have trademarks in them it's still trademark infringement. The law isn't broken if you refuse to hand it over it's broken when you used someone elses trademark to make money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark_infringement

"Trademark infringement is a violation of the exclusive rights attaching to a trademark without the authorization of the trademark owner or any licensees (provided that such authorization was within the scope of the license)."

mpahlca · 03-02-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jdavis

if hardsextube.com had an alexa rank of 5 million would you guys still be going through all of this?

We already are, we have hardsextube.ca which was already turned over, and are continuing to go after the others as I post this.

PornMD · 03-02-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cess

If Steve didn't know about it or any other names that you guys own have trademarks in them it's still trademark infringement. The law isn't broken if you refuse to hand it over it's broken when you used someone elses trademark to make money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark_infringement

"Trademark infringement is a violation of the exclusive rights attaching to a trademark without the authorization of the trademark owner or any licensees (provided that such authorization was within the scope of the license)."

Correct - that's why sometimes even when names are turned over, the owners are then sued for damages, legal fees, etc. They were breaking the law the moment they infringed on the trademark.

03-02-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mpahlca

We already are, we have hardsextube.ca which was already turned over, and are continuing to go after the others as I post this.

Good luck. You are going to lose affiliates over this. Funny that you are going after people, but you are doing the exact same thing. Which in turn means someone will come and sue you.

mpahlca · 03-02-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JaneB

Good luck. You are going to lose affiliates over this. Funny that you are going after people, but you are doing the exact same thing. Which in turn means someone will come and sue you.

Funny thing on that I have had more people hit me up today because of this thread so thats why i keep bumping it, I really don't care what people think, its making me money the more this stays at the top, and in the end we will get the domain, I dont really put faith in GFY legal opinions I pay lawyers for their opinions.

mpahlca · 03-02-2009, 03:11 PM

BTW thanks for everyone hitting the site, looks like best day ever on http://www.sextube.com keep it up.

wjxxx · 03-02-2009, 03:11 PM

Yeah, it`s the time of crisis. Low-lives will do everything to make a buck. Some of them hit surfers with hidden prechecked crossales, others steal content and others steal domains.

I just dropped all Twistys links, good day

Pipecrew · 03-02-2009, 03:13 PM

I think almost everyone here bitching about trademark law really does not understand it very well. Go read up on it for about 10 minutes and you will count the people who know what they are talking about on one hand in this thread.

d-null · 03-02-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JaneB

Good luck. You are going to lose affiliates over this.

I thought somebody was quoted in some other thread about how the affiliate model is on its last legs and priorities are moving to other business models that will cut out the affiliates completely?

xclusive · 03-02-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mpahlca

Check ours for any stolen content we are 100% legit, and always have been even when people called us out no one found a single link that had illegal content instead we advertise the sites completely, by surrounding their videos with contextual ads.

We police every video on our sites and check with the users who do submit to double check the age and verification of the videos. We also invite sponsors to submit and work closely with many to make sure their videos get the most clicks and sales we make money 100% as affiliate based tubes.

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/810316-gaytube-com.html yup always lol

DAMNMAN · 03-02-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyandin

There is no instance of thievery taking place here at all.

EDIT: The mere notion that hardsextube is somehow trying to cybersquat sextube is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If nonsense like this held water, all you webmasters would be losing your asses to porn.com and sex.com under claims that you all are trying to rip off the guys with the two best adult domain names.

Yep....

DarkJedi · 03-02-2009, 03:15 PM

03-02-2009, 03:16 PM

QUOTE=wjxxx;15573202]Yeah, it`s the time of crisis. Low-lives will do everything to make a buck. Some of them hit surfers with hidden prechecked crossales, others steal content and others steal domains.

I just dropped all Twistys links, good day[/QUOTE]

I dropped them too. If a lot of affiliates drop them then maybe that will teach them a lesson. This needs to be posted on all of the adult forums so everyone can see that Michael thinks it is ok to go after people while doing the same thing.

03-02-2009, 02:38 PM	#151
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03-02-2009, 02:52 PM	#173
Rice_Master Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,582	just checked out http://www.hardsextube.com, it's a pretty big site according to alexa...if i were shap i'd try to take the domain away as well __________________ Icq: 31706665

03-02-2009, 02:56 PM	#180
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	If hardsextube.com needs to find a great lawyer to defend his position with ICANN, contact me. I'd be glad to help. Any domain owners with generic domains need to make sure their domain rights are protected against reverse domain hijackers. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

03-02-2009, 02:58 PM	#185
PornMD Mainstream Businessman Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 9,291	Registration date and even trademark date isn't as important as USAGE. "What are common law rights? Federal registration is not required to establish rights in a trademark. Common law rights arise from actual use of a mark." Arguably, since "tube" isn't yet technically considered a generic term referring to a website with videos on it, YouTube could have the jump on all sites with "tube" in them that are operating a similar style video site because such sites are piggybacking on the popularity of YouTube, which has had common law trademark rights since its first usage of YouTube as a video site. From the looks of things, SexTube was still under construction in at least part of 2006 while YouTube was very much in use as a video site. All that said, given SexTube's usage began before HardSexTube and they are trademarked, they probably will win. But if I were them or any other tube site with "tube" or possibly even "you" in the name, I would not be surprised if sometime in the future, YouTube knocks on their door. Google has bullied others out of their domains/sites before and will gladly do it again with their ridiculous amount of lawyers/money. What I don't get are people that support copyright infringement but not trademark infringement or vice versa. I don't think Shap would look bad at all in this thread if he wasn't supporting tube sites with stolen content or had typo domains. There's a difference between protecting your trademark/wanting law upheld and thinking law should only apply to you when you can benefit from it and not when you're breaking it or supporting those that break it. You can do whatever you want, but don't be surprised when others don't take kindly to it. __________________ Want to crush it in mainstream with Facebook ads? Hit me up. Last edited by PornMD; 03-02-2009 at 03:01 PM..

03-02-2009, 03:11 PM	#193
mpahlca Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 1,821	BTW thanks for everyone hitting the site, looks like best day ever on http://www.sextube.com keep it up. __________________ I could give two shits wether you read this sig or not.

03-02-2009, 02:41 PM	#154
Lamis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 961	Karma is doing it's job... everyone gets hit SOON or LATE.. chio was one... I will really enjoy when the canadian PIG gets hit by KARMA... Because HE WILL get HIT soon or late... We need to put some sharks near that boat.

03-02-2009, 02:47 PM	#164
starpimps Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: internets Posts: 6,954	tube.com trademark is going to go after sextube and youtube

03-02-2009, 02:52 PM	#172
Lamis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 961	SHAP... yo make 100k per month of profit... I can't believe that your LAWYER SUCKS SO MUCH DUDE... LOL... Are there no real lawyers in bahamas or what??? He don't even know the law... LOL....

03-02-2009, 02:53 PM	#176
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	if hardsextube.com was there before sextube.com as the guy from hungary claims he has nothing to fear anyway....

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Sands Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: 418194907 Posts: 3,134	We sure got a lot of snow here in NY. It's crazy how it just keeps coming down. Like an unending cascade.

03-02-2009, 02:57 PM	#183
Redmanthatcould Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,771	I don't claim to be a trademark lawyer, but from what I have heard / been told, if you know of a site infringing on your trademark, and don't take action, you could potentially lose your mark. So I don't think it has anything to do with "abusing a policy", but I think it has everything to do with protecting their mark.

03-02-2009, 02:58 PM	#184
HorseShit Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,513	if hardsextube.com had an alexa rank of 5 million would you guys still be going through all of this?

03-02-2009, 03:11 PM	#194
wjxxx So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,448	Yeah, it`s the time of crisis. Low-lives will do everything to make a buck. Some of them hit surfers with hidden prechecked crossales, others steal content and others steal domains. I just dropped all Twistys links, good day

03-02-2009, 03:13 PM	#195
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,885	I think almost everyone here bitching about trademark law really does not understand it very well. Go read up on it for about 10 minutes and you will count the people who know what they are talking about on one hand in this thread.

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03-02-2009, 03:16 PM	#200
JaneB Guest Posts: n/a	QUOTE=wjxxx;15573202]Yeah, it`s the time of crisis. Low-lives will do everything to make a buck. Some of them hit surfers with hidden prechecked crossales, others steal content and others steal domains. I just dropped all Twistys links, good day[/QUOTE] I dropped them too. If a lot of affiliates drop them then maybe that will teach them a lesson. This needs to be posted on all of the adult forums so everyone can see that Michael thinks it is ok to go after people while doing the same thing.