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CIVMatt · 03-18-2009, 06:09 AM

I really don't want this to be a pro/con Obama thread but a policy thread, but has anyone seen this today?

This weekend a few friends and I are going out to shoot and stuff and I head into the local gun store to pick up some cleaning rags and such and my guy there gives me this...

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=92095

WND Exclusive WEAPONS OF CHOICE
Feds undercut civilian supply of ammunition
Policy leaves manufacturers without brass for cartridges
Posted: March 17, 2009
9:00 pm Eastern

By Drew Zahn
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

Fired brass shell casings

A recent government policy change has taken a bite out of the nation's already stressed ammunition supply, leaving arms dealers scrambling to find ammo for private gun owners.

Georgia Arms is a company that for the last 15 years has been purchasing fired brass shell casings from the Department of Defense and private government surplus liquidators. The military collects the discarded casings from fired rounds, then sells them through liquidators to companies like Georgia Arms that remanufacture the casings into ammunition for the law enforcement and civilian gun owner communities.

But earlier this month, Georgia Arms received a canceled order, informed by its supplier that the government now requires fired brass casings be mutilated, in other words, destroyed to a scrap metal state.

The policy change, handed down from the Department of Defense through the Defense Logistics Agency, cuts a supply leg out from underneath ammunition manufacturers.

Learn here why it's your right -- and duty -- to be armed.

The policy has compelled Georgia Arms, for example, to cancel all sales of .223 and .308 ammunition, rounds used, respectively, in semi-automatic and deer hunting rifles, until further notice. Sharch Manufacturing, Inc. has announced the same cancellation of its .223 and .308 brass reloading components.

"They just reclassified brass to allow destruction of it, based on what?" Georgia Arms owner Larry Haynie asked WND. "We've been 'going green' for the last dozen years, and brass is one of the most recyclable materials out there. A cartridge case can be used over and over again. And now we're going to destroy it based on what? We don't want the civilian public to have it? It's a government injustice."

(Story continues below)

As WND reported, firearm sales have spiked since the election of a perceived anti-gun president, and Americans stockpiling bullets have produced a stressed ammunition market.

The Orlando Sentinel reports months of steady, heavy buying have left gun dealers in Florida facing shortages of ammunition.

"The survivalist in all of us comes out," John Ritz, manager of a Florida shooting range, told the Sentinel. "It's more about protecting what you have."

"People are just stockpiling," said a spokeswoman for Georgia Arms, which has seen bullet sales jump 100 percent since the election. "A gun is just like a car. If you can't get gas, you can't use it."

WND contacted the Defense Logistics Agency, the Department of Defense's largest combat support agency, several times seeking comment or explanation for the policy change but received none.

The National Rifle Association confirmed to WND that the DLA had been instructed to require the scrapping of the brass casings but declined further comment at this time.

Other gun advocates, however, have sounded off on the issue, eyeing the change in government policy with suspicion and filling the blogosphere with speculation that the effects of the policy change may be deliberate.

"It is an end-run around Congress. They don't need to try to ban guns ? they don't need to fight a massive battle to attempt gun registration, or limit 'assault' weapon sales," writes firearm instructor and author Gordon Hutchinson on his The Shootist blog. "Nope. All they have to do is limit the amount of ammunition available to the civilian market, and when bullets dry up, guns will be useless."

A writer named Owen at the Boots & Sabers blog suspects the policy change is an effort by an anti-gun administration to raise the cost of ammunition.

"This policy didn't come out of the blue," writes Owen. "The Commander in Chief is clearly sending a message to gun owners that they should be paying more for ammunition. If he can't do it through regulatory action, he'll do it by forcing ammunition manufacturers to spend more on production."

Hutchinson reports Georgia Arms was manufacturing over 1 million rounds of .223 ammunition every month, but without the ability to purchase expended military ammunition, the company may be forced to lay off up to half its workforce.

After Shock Media · 03-18-2009, 06:18 AM

Excuse me but as they said if bullets dry up, guns will be useless... If I recall supply and demand, all that happy horseshit. What is stopping anyone from just making their own, finding other sources, or whatever to satisfy customer demand? I mean if supply shrinks I figure prices would go up to justify that and cover any money lost and those that he claims will be laid off could just as easily be placed in manufacture of casings or whatever. Also pretty sure many people who buy the 1 million shells a month have casings, and not to mention they could reload them as well or even sell them back (like people used to for soda bottles).

I do find the idea stupid assuming the government is doing it to fuck with ammo people - though for all I know someone is paying more for scrap and they went highest bid or something.

JimmiDean · 03-18-2009, 06:19 AM

Chris Rock said dont ban guns just make bulletts 10K each.
It would end drive bys over night.

Gerco · 03-18-2009, 06:19 AM

I took a picture for this...

Oh, and a find a lot of people just don't get it... so

Right two bear arms.....

Anthony · 03-18-2009, 06:20 AM

They have already rescinded this.

StuartD · 03-18-2009, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

Learn here why it's your right -- and duty -- to be armed.

wow that is dumb

CIVMatt · 03-18-2009, 06:34 AM

Oh good Anthony, that would really suck that is a huge company

StuartD - Yeah I hate when gun nuts use language like that, sounds retarded, I believe in gun ownership if you want, but gimme a break lol

nation-x · 03-18-2009, 07:21 AM

World Net Daily is not even close to a reliable news source.

quantum-x · 03-18-2009, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

Oh good Anthony, that would really suck that is a huge company

StuartD - Yeah I hate when gun nuts use language like that, sounds retarded, I believe in gun ownership if you want, but gimme a break lol

I see a market opening!
Take the brass for destruction, get paid a higher cost, melt it down, make casings for more cash.

where's the problem? :D

CIVMatt · 03-18-2009, 07:34 AM

You can't, the primer in the brass casing is a different material, that's why you can't just go to the range grab a ton of casings and recycle them for brass money.

Martin · 03-18-2009, 07:35 AM

They're coming for your guns Americans.

eroticsexxx · 03-18-2009, 08:02 AM

John-ACWM · 03-18-2009, 08:03 AM

Don't have a gun

GotGauge · 03-18-2009, 08:10 AM

It is hard to find some ammo, or even order it.
My designer said he went all over town looking for 9mm rounds, but everywhere was sold out!
I said just order online, well the place I order is out also, backordered from 3 weeks to 6 weeks.

Looks like Prices have shot way up also.

http://www.ksn.com/news/local/41397007.html
http://www.ksn.com/news/local/41397007.html

CIVMatt · 03-18-2009, 08:14 AM

Yeah it's impossible to find any around Orlando either unless you have a shotgun or a .22 - forget even trying to find hollow points

GatorB · 03-18-2009, 09:08 AM

We are fighting 2 wars people. Perhaps our soldiers need the ammo than some guys going out to the range? I didn't see the NRA bitching back durring WWII when the supply for domestic ammo was non-existant.

C-Bass · 03-18-2009, 09:51 AM

0h n03z! everyone grab their muskets and defend against the english!

the english are coming, the english are coming!!

_Richard_ · 03-18-2009, 10:52 AM

more theories?

Reak AGV · 03-18-2009, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StuartD

wow that is dumb

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 03-18-2009, 12:36 PM

Set yourself up a reloading station

Save you own fired brass...

Quagmire · 03-18-2009, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

We are fighting 2 wars people. Perhaps our soldiers need the ammo than some guys going out to the range? I didn't see the NRA bitching back durring WWII when the supply for domestic ammo was non-existant.

Did you read the article or just chime in to be seen?

Quote:

But earlier this month, Georgia Arms received a canceled order, informed by its supplier that the government now requires fired brass casings be mutilated, in other words, destroyed to a scrap metal state.

The policy change, handed down from the Department of Defense through the Defense Logistics Agency, cuts a supply leg out from underneath ammunition manufacturers.

Unless the US Military has found a way to get mutiliated casings through a rifle, I think that your idea is out to lunch.

JD · 03-18-2009, 01:58 PM

doesn't surprise me 1 bit

kane · 03-18-2009, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GotGauge

It is hard to find some ammo, or even order it.
My designer said he went all over town looking for 9mm rounds, but everywhere was sold out!
I said just order online, well the place I order is out also, backordered from 3 weeks to 6 weeks.

Looks like Prices have shot way up also.

http://www.ksn.com/news/local/41397007.html
http://www.ksn.com/news/local/41397007.html

Yep,
A friend of mine who is a cop is the armorer for his department so he orders all the ammo for the guns. He told me the other day that he is ordering stuff now that they need for scheduled training in July in hopes that it will get here by then.

theking · 03-18-2009, 04:10 PM

This is apparently a non issue. The brass was to have been sold to China but this decision has been reportedly reversed and business will continue as it has in the past.

03-18-2009, 06:09 AM	#1
CIVMatt Amateur Pimpin Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 13,075	WTF Gun Ammo I really don't want this to be a pro/con Obama thread but a policy thread, but has anyone seen this today? This weekend a few friends and I are going out to shoot and stuff and I head into the local gun store to pick up some cleaning rags and such and my guy there gives me this... http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=92095 WND Exclusive WEAPONS OF CHOICE Feds undercut civilian supply of ammunition Policy leaves manufacturers without brass for cartridges Posted: March 17, 2009 9:00 pm Eastern By Drew Zahn © 2009 WorldNetDaily Fired brass shell casings A recent government policy change has taken a bite out of the nation's already stressed ammunition supply, leaving arms dealers scrambling to find ammo for private gun owners. Georgia Arms is a company that for the last 15 years has been purchasing fired brass shell casings from the Department of Defense and private government surplus liquidators. The military collects the discarded casings from fired rounds, then sells them through liquidators to companies like Georgia Arms that remanufacture the casings into ammunition for the law enforcement and civilian gun owner communities. But earlier this month, Georgia Arms received a canceled order, informed by its supplier that the government now requires fired brass casings be mutilated, in other words, destroyed to a scrap metal state. The policy change, handed down from the Department of Defense through the Defense Logistics Agency, cuts a supply leg out from underneath ammunition manufacturers. Learn here why it's your right -- and duty -- to be armed. The policy has compelled Georgia Arms, for example, to cancel all sales of .223 and .308 ammunition, rounds used, respectively, in semi-automatic and deer hunting rifles, until further notice. Sharch Manufacturing, Inc. has announced the same cancellation of its .223 and .308 brass reloading components. "They just reclassified brass to allow destruction of it, based on what?" Georgia Arms owner Larry Haynie asked WND. "We've been 'going green' for the last dozen years, and brass is one of the most recyclable materials out there. A cartridge case can be used over and over again. And now we're going to destroy it based on what? We don't want the civilian public to have it? It's a government injustice." (Story continues below) As WND reported, firearm sales have spiked since the election of a perceived anti-gun president, and Americans stockpiling bullets have produced a stressed ammunition market. The Orlando Sentinel reports months of steady, heavy buying have left gun dealers in Florida facing shortages of ammunition. "The survivalist in all of us comes out," John Ritz, manager of a Florida shooting range, told the Sentinel. "It's more about protecting what you have." "People are just stockpiling," said a spokeswoman for Georgia Arms, which has seen bullet sales jump 100 percent since the election. "A gun is just like a car. If you can't get gas, you can't use it." WND contacted the Defense Logistics Agency, the Department of Defense's largest combat support agency, several times seeking comment or explanation for the policy change but received none. The National Rifle Association confirmed to WND that the DLA had been instructed to require the scrapping of the brass casings but declined further comment at this time. Other gun advocates, however, have sounded off on the issue, eyeing the change in government policy with suspicion and filling the blogosphere with speculation that the effects of the policy change may be deliberate. "It is an end-run around Congress. They don't need to try to ban guns ? they don't need to fight a massive battle to attempt gun registration, or limit 'assault' weapon sales," writes firearm instructor and author Gordon Hutchinson on his The Shootist blog. "Nope. All they have to do is limit the amount of ammunition available to the civilian market, and when bullets dry up, guns will be useless." A writer named Owen at the Boots & Sabers blog suspects the policy change is an effort by an anti-gun administration to raise the cost of ammunition. "This policy didn't come out of the blue," writes Owen. "The Commander in Chief is clearly sending a message to gun owners that they should be paying more for ammunition. If he can't do it through regulatory action, he'll do it by forcing ammunition manufacturers to spend more on production." Hutchinson reports Georgia Arms was manufacturing over 1 million rounds of .223 ammunition every month, but without the ability to purchase expended military ammunition, the company may be forced to lay off up to half its workforce. __________________ Make easy money with Webcams

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CIVMatt Amateur Pimpin Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 13,075	Oh good Anthony, that would really suck that is a huge company StuartD - Yeah I hate when gun nuts use language like that, sounds retarded, I believe in gun ownership if you want, but gimme a break lol __________________ Make easy money with Webcams

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CIVMatt Amateur Pimpin Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 13,075	You can't, the primer in the brass casing is a different material, that's why you can't just go to the range grab a ton of casings and recycle them for brass money. __________________ Make easy money with Webcams

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GotGauge Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: USA Posts: 3,072	It is hard to find some ammo, or even order it. My designer said he went all over town looking for 9mm rounds, but everywhere was sold out! I said just order online, well the place I order is out also, backordered from 3 weeks to 6 weeks. Looks like Prices have shot way up also. http://www.ksn.com/news/local/41397007.html http://www.ksn.com/news/local/41397007.html __________________ ICQ 22264474 [email protected]

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CIVMatt Amateur Pimpin Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 13,075	Yeah it's impossible to find any around Orlando either unless you have a shotgun or a .22 - forget even trying to find hollow points __________________ Make easy money with Webcams

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