HELMY

I've been a PC user for the longest time (prior to my beloved Amiga).

Got a Macbook laptop for my wife's bday recently - and I love how when you open/close the lid, the machine turns on/off almost instantly (no warm-up like a PC).

What's the secret? does the instant on/off experience apply to mac machines running WinXP? (i know, i know)

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Ambergirl

Helmy...the answer as to why Mac's run better than PC's...is because it's a MAC! ;)

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TheDoc

It's the OS, not the Computer. You can take any Computer, put mac osx on it, and it will turn on and off in a flash. IE: Dell Mini with bt, mac os, sat card and voip - you have a cell phone that turns on and off in seconds.

At the Machine level - for the Price a normal computer is twice the speed. You just don't get all the toys from the go that a Mac offers, so in the end you either pay more for the PC or get less toys, like video editing software.

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For us Macs are way more productive and crash far less. They can be just as slow to open as a PC it all depends on what software you instal and what sort of mess you keep your desktop in. I know people who swear their PC never crashes, and those that say they crash daily.

I use Photoshop and open huge layered files of 2 + gigs with no issues, but i have installed a minimum of 8 gigs RAM on most of our office Macs with more than 4 TB storage for each. If you use Photoshop or studio Pro and keep up to date with the current versions you will have little if any problems. Other software i cannot comment on

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Phil21

Because Apple controls the whole hardware/software stack, and can thus plan accordingly.

It's the same reason console games (xbox, ps3, etc.) run "flawlessly" compared to PC games. The developers only need to code for one configuration, vs. literally hundreds of millions of different possible hardware configs.

Something like sleep sounds easy, but in practice has been implemented in so many different ways depending on the individual manufacturer it becomes quite complex. Since Apple knows what hardware they need to support beforehand, they can simply code to those specs vs. trying to support 300 random buggy implementations of the same thing.

There are lots of "advanced" features modern PC's support these days, that most OS's simply don't even try to take full advantage of yet.

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I replaced both my pcs with macs in the last year.

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borked

it's only relatively recently (10.2 I think) that wake from sleep has been like this.

Wait till your macbook has been on sleep on battery power for too long, runs out of battery juice while in sleep and left in that state for a week (or a month etc etc). Then open the lid when it's plugged into the power outlet....

Back to exactly where you left it in still less time than it takes a PC to wake from sleep.

That is a feature I'd be a dead duck without! Running out of battery is a simple annoyance, not a hair-pulling deathly loss-of-data experience. The way it should be.

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Desktop clutter and machine speed is a Windows-phenomenon. A Mac couldn't care less how many GB of files clutter the desktop. Only Windows assigns that shit to RAM

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Mac treats the user like a person. Windows treats the user like a retard.

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Can wndows, chuck that fuck out the window. I wiped XP off my laptop and installed Ubuntu and that thing has never ran smoother and faster in it's life.

Adam X

I miss my Apple ][+
48k ram ..lol

apple nailed it right the first time... still using PC mainly for biz but this black macbook sitting on my desk sure blows it away.. to answer as others have, the OS was written very well.


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In Window's defense, I'm running an old Dell Dimension 3000 with 512mb of RAM, Dreamweaver and Photoshop open along with FireFox 24/7 and my Photoshop opened my 12+MB header PSD without any problems at all...

That being said, I am currently in the process of replacing my work machine with a iMac, and buying 2 MacBook Pros.

mynameisjim

What Phil above said, they control all the hardware and software interactions so there is a huge advantage to that when it comes to what you are talking about. For PCs there are literally millions of hardware and software configurations the OS has to deal with. The disadvantage is you can pay close to 3X the price for a 10% gain in some areas of performance when choosing an Apple.

They are nice machines though, no doubt about that.

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Yep. And Windows is inferior in structure.

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ya, i think they say the same thing about sucking cock. faggot.

DarkJedi

same thing happens with a notebook.

close the lid - it goes to sleep
opent the lid - it wakes up from the point where you stoppd working.

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DarkJedi

windows 7 owns everything

Brujah

OS X is just a better operating system.

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qwe

it's like a gay party here with all the happy mac users lol... i'll leave you guys alone

2012

isn't a mac a personal computer ?

SmokeyTheBear

wait till you actually want to DO something besides turn it on and cant

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potter

This is the biggest reason.

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Second being *NIX operating systems inherent superiority in handling shit.

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KillerK

Windows 7 is really really FAST!

erotismo

Ive never used a PC except when on vacation etc to check email and whatnot in hotels and internet cafes, They are very confusing....Ive been an apple guy from the beginning. Started on a Dicomed design station back in the 80s then when personal computers came out went straight to the mac and never looked back.

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Mac is made by Mac for Mac, but the PC parts are made by anyone who wants to

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when my MAC grows up it can be my PC

Raf1

it's always been that way. However I use my PC way more because of the programs I can get as well as the money it would cost to upgrade my mac or buy a new one.

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CarlosTheGaucho

Exactly, it's a completely different architecture of the OS.

Any MS OS since MS- DOS deals with major problems dealing with processes and how to effectively use up the RAM and all the hardware resources.

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CIVMatt

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When people speak of computer problems like viruses, reloading operating systems, crashes, DLL errors, spy ware etc., they are referring to Windows-specific problems, not computer problems. Mac users hear about these things, but rarely if ever have to deal with them. I'm speaking from experience, not trying to incite hate mail. I'm sure a Windows Jihad member could send me some sort of virus, just that I don't get a dozen a day as I did on Windows. Viruses are the "59,940 reasons to reconsider Macs" (front cover of Consumer Report's December, 2004 issue).

Would you drive a car that died on you while driving and needed to be reset and tweaked every other trip? Not me. There's no excuse for balky computers, either. Remember cars from the 1950s, which needed complex tune-ups every 2,500 miles and even starting and running when cold was never a sure thing? Today cars all start and run perfectly, have twice the power and better gas mileage, too. This is because they are all computer controlled and self-adjusting. They run great because auto makers use their own proprietary operating systems, NOT Windows. Windows has no excuse for not running flawlessly after 20 years of development. Complexity is not an excuse: even the crappiest car today has dozens of networked computers controlling everything and runs great, compared to 20 years ago when cars still used mechanical carburetors. I suspect Windows, in my experience anyway, runs like crud deliberately.

It's not so much the hardware as the software. The chips and hard drives and screens all come from the same places. The problem is that Windows has always been a buggy science experiment that left a lot of problems for users to figure out on their own. Apple has always done their homework to ensure that the computer knows how to do its own internal work so you don't have to. Microsoft always expected people to learn how computers think. Apple teaches its computers how people think. Steve Jobs gave away Apple's secret in a Forbes interview a short while back: it's all about the user experience, which is all about the software which is the Mac operating system, iPod, and everything they do. The people I've met at Apple reinforce how Steve drives it into everyone's heads that it's their job to ensure that you and I have a great time using our Macs and that everything needs to be obvious, simple to use and just work. They're not allowed to stop their design 90% of the way through and hope the users figure it out. It's Windows software that makes PCs so aggravating, not the computers themselves.

Unlike Nikon vs. Canon, Coke vs. Pepsi, Rock vs. Disco or BMW vs. Mercedes dickering, there is a real difference between Mac and Windows when you work on your computer all day. (Apple has a larger share of the computer market than BMW and Mercedes have combined in the auto market.)

You don't need a dedicated support department to keep a Mac running. Computer support departments HATE Mac because Macs don't need computer support departments. You'll never get your company's help desk to suggest Mac because they know they'd be unemployed. Fast. Macs aren't perfect, but close.

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eroticsexxx

Pay attention. Like Phil said and Potter agreed with...

If Microsoft started building machines in a proprietary, exclusive way that Apple does, there would be no issues with the configuration and Mac users' masturbatory rantings would have less truth to them.

PC OEM's often do not follow Microsoft's HCL and SCL to exact specs. This is why some PC's simply do not work as fast or as smoothly as they should.

If Apple allowed OEM's to install OSX on any machine (as they currently do with Windows), much of the "Mac is superior" raving would instantly cease and the truth of the matter would be revealed.

But we don't want Microsoft to build PC's now, do we? An antitrust case would be dropped on Microsoft's lap faster than Steve Jobs could say, "Oh shi..."

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CarlosTheGaucho

Another good point, but too many variables in the game.

Also, why would you fix something that still keeps the biggest market share (especially outside US) and is WAY more affordable for anyone with say slightly less purchasing power worldwide.

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TheDoc

People, it's NOT the COMPUTER that makes Windows Machines slower, it's Windows. I can take the same Computer (mac or pc), put Mac OSX on it and get the exact same results if it had a mac sticker on it.

Again, take any Computer, put mac OSX on it, and you get the exact same results as over paying for the damn box at the store. So go buy yourself a far superior and cheaper PC, double it's speed since the cost is different, and put the far superior mac osx on it, and you have a totally kick ass box that no store bought mac could touch.

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eroticsexxx

Really now...A cheaper box? Where are you going to get the MacOSX from...unless you're a MAC developer? Torrents?

Making a stable hackintosh isn't as simple as grabbing any box and following a few steps. Oftentimes you're still stuck with a particular hardware config. Even the guys and gals over at OSx86 have a recommended HCL database. I built one and was not impressed.

Running emulators (VMware, Pear PC, et al) is not a panacea to installing OSX and having it run properly.

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tony286

Thank you. If microsoft built the machines and the os. You would hear the same praises.I run Xp and it gives me no problems. Apples are very nice but its like they are fucking you without lube on the prices. Way over priced for the hardware.

potter

Yup, they're called hackintosh for a reason. I've owned three. Two of them AMD boxes. I had one that ran fairly smooth off a basic install, however a lot of programs would not function until I hacked the drivers and shit. Basically all three had to be chopped to shit with drivers and third party installs to get them running smoothly. The hardest problem I had was definitely getting the video cards to work as they should. Lots of times they were only recognized as 256MB, or would only allow 800x600 res until they were fixed up.

OSX does not run out of the box on just any hardware configuration, and that is a fact.

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potter

No, it still wouldn't run as smoothly. There is inherent problems with the operating system still. *NIX is and will always be the best base for a operating system.

Also, Apple's hardware is not overpriced. If you build a windows PC using the same hardware line Apple uses it would come out to the be the same price.

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I did this a little while back, but I'm to lazy to get todays price... so deal with it... But, here's a little wake up to all those yelling about how expensive a mac is...


Ok, this is just getting stupid. Lets compare price directly from Dell and Apple shall we? I used the closes configuration so this could be fair...

Ok, So starting with Apple
Configuration
twin 3.2GHz Quad Xeon
2 Gig Ram (Up to 32gb in Machine)
320 Gig HD (Could have up to 4 drives in machine)
1 16x superdrive
Video card, base included ATI HD 2600 XT 256MB
Apple 20' Flat display
Cost=$4,998.00

DELL
Twin 3.16 Quad Xeon x2
2GB Ram (Only shows up to 4 available in configuration)
320GB HD (can have up to 3)
1 16x dvd burner
Video card Base, included 256MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro FX570
20" ultrasharp flatscreen (Almost = to Apples display)
Starting Price $5,202
Instant Savings $524
Subtotal $4,678

By my math that a savings of 320 bucks buying the Dell over the apple... But wait..That was AFTER taking 524 bucks OFF dells price cause they happen to have a coupon right now. OK. The the actual price before applying any specials, the Dells more..

It can hold less drives, Hold less memory. The processors are slower...

Shall I go on? If your going to start telling people how much more expensive the apples are you should try to build a base machine that actually somewhat compares to the apple.

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The point still remains, you can take osx, put it on a normal pc, and the machine will bootup and down, at the same rate as a Mac box - or damn close to it.

The speed at which the OS actually performs, wasn't brought into question. I expect issues with installing an off OS onto a PC. Even linux does it, from one box to the next, it's a different setup all the time. That stuff is just expected.

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TheDoc

That's a huge price difference seeming both boxes are pretty much ready to go out of the box. Once you drop the crap dell machines and move into hand built machines (something you can't really do with a Mac) - the difference really stands out.

That $500 could double the ram, case size, and add a drive.. or bump the board up, and add in a second video card.

The prices... I can build about two PC's for the price of a Mac... or double the speed of the PC - Which $500 on the just dell, would damn near double it's speed.

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potter

Not if you use the same hardware. Damn, I've had this conversation so many times with people.

Here is a quick basic explanation without going into too much detail to waste my time.

The MOBO Dell uses in their computer: a $70 POS
The MOBO Apple uses in their computer: Intel's best top of the line server MOBO $900

Now, if you go to newegg.com and custom build a PC. Using the same top of the line hardware with the exact same specs as the apple. It'll cost the same. And you really have to get detailed with the specs Most people see "Dual Core 3.0Ghz" and think they're all the same. There are Dual Core 3.0Ghz Intel CPUs that range in price from $200-$900.

It's not hard to understand, you just have to open your eyes a little and understand the "base stats" for the machines they show are not similar in any way and you are comparing apples to oranges.

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