Broncos to trade Jay Cutler...

[»Rob Content«]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4031893

What a fucking retarded move.

They get rid of shanahan, and bring in this mcdaniels dude who is nothing but ego.

They are going to regret this for a long time.

[hypedough]

Dumb fucking move. They're not getting Matt Cassell, get over it.

[dynastoned]

the broncos as an organization went to shit in a matter of a couple months.

[Luscious Media]

Poor bastard is going to end up in Detriot.

[split_joel]

Originally Posted by Luscious Media

Poor bastard is going to end up in Detriot.

He will not go to detriot, detriot is going to bank on there newbie in the first round draft. Bitchler will go to Minnesota, or chicago

[sicone]

Dumb move on Denvers part, but could be the best thing ever for Cutler, depending on where he goes

[split_joel]

If Cutler goes to the bears, which I do not want I believe ortan will come through, bears would be unstoppable.

[Davy]

[SGS]

Bring back John Elway.

[PR_Sebas]

may as well if he doesnt want to play for them anymore

[Snake Doctor]

That's crazy. You can't get fair value for a good QB in a trade.

1st round quarterbacks only work out 50% of the time, so you'd need 2 first round picks to replace him. (Plus 2-3 years to develop the guy)
Hell, the other 2 first round quarterbacks taken the same year as Cutler are both busts.

TBH, this is probably more Cutler's doing than the Broncos. Since if he gets traded he can get a new contract now, and not have to play out the remaining two years of his rookie deal. The new head coach/qb coach coming to town was just the cover his agent needed to pull this off IMO.

[Daddy Big Nuts]

The Bucs are going to throw their hat back in that ring. Bet on it. I'd gladly give up 2 number 1's for Cutler.

[SweetT]

Originally Posted by Daddy Big Nuts

The Bucs are going to throw their hat back in that ring. Bet on it. I'd gladly give up 2 number 1's for Cutler.

You and every other Buc fan in the world. It would be a perfect fit. The Bucs run that quazi west coast offense with the zone blocking and downhill run game that sets up the play action pass beautifully. That has Cutler written all over it.

As a true Falcon fan let me be the first to say....I hope you dont get him ;)


--T

[Daddy Big Nuts]

Originally Posted by SweetT

You and every other Buc fan in the world. It would be a perfect fit. The Bucs run that quazi west coast offense with the zone blocking and downhill run game that sets up the play action pass beautifully. That has Cutler written all over it.

As a true Falcon fan let me be the first to say....I hope you dont get him ;)


--T

LOL.....yeah man. It would be a perfect fit. Adding him on top of Winslow and Ward makes for a potent offense. Bucs fans wouldn't quite know what to do: cheer or faint. We've never had one!

[cykoe6]

What a catastrophe. Bowlen is a bumbling old drunk fool and McDaniels is a preening primadonna. They both are a fucking disgrace.

[brassmonkey]

oh ok thanx

[UFGators2007]

Wonderful decision.

[farkedup]

Cutler is in the bottom end of being a top 10 QB but he is far more Brett Favre like than tony HOMO is. Cutler throws pics at some of the worst moments but has the balls to come right back in and thread the same exact pass in there next time.

He has his ups and downs but Favre is by far the greatest QB of all time. Hopefully my Lions will give him the Cowboys first rounder they got and nothing else which would mean they sent a lazy overrated WR to Dallas in exchange for Cutler!

[MetaMan]

Broncos i live and die by and im ready to cry after this, first Shanahan and now Cutler? wtf are they smoking on?

Cutler is a fucking cannon. they need to just chill out in the organization they picked up Dawkins and should help clear up SOME of their D probs, without the O they are nothing.

[farkedup]

I got it, Denver has the #12 selection and the Lions desperately want out of the #1 slot since nobody this year deserves #1 pay..

swap #1 for #12 and send them that first 2nd round pick for Cutler. Toss in Kitna or something LMAO

Cutler has the Broncos bent over so paying "market value" for Cutler would be stupid. Offer up 2 of your first 4 picks but certainly not both 1st rounders! Toss in a veteran somewhere and go about building through the draft. Cutler would then have the next randy moss to throw to except Calvin actually works hard with what he has which is something moss never did. Fill in the void with a couple of guys with good hands through FA like Torry Holt then you can draft almost all defense.

I really believe that if they can get Cutler for a steal they're a playoff team in 2-3 years. The new management so far seems slick. They sure did dupe the cowboys out of a LOT

[Socks]

lol they said the team's coach, GM and possibly owner have been trying to contact Cutler for 10 days, and he won't return their phone calls - prompting them to trade him..

lollllll..

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by farkedup

He has his ups and downs but Favre is by far the greatest QB of all time.

I guess you've never heard of guys like Joe Montana or Dan Marino or John Elway?


Favre is probably in the top 10, but greatest of all time?

HAH!

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by farkedup

I got it, Denver has the #12 selection and the Lions desperately want out of the #1 slot since nobody this year deserves #1 pay..

swap #1 for #12 and send them that first 2nd round pick for Cutler. Toss in Kitna or something LMAO

Cutler has the Broncos bent over so paying "market value" for Cutler would be stupid. Offer up 2 of your first 4 picks but certainly not both 1st rounders! Toss in a veteran somewhere and go about building through the draft. Cutler would then have the next randy moss to throw to except Calvin actually works hard with what he has which is something moss never did. Fill in the void with a couple of guys with good hands through FA like Torry Holt then you can draft almost all defense.

I really believe that if they can get Cutler for a steal they're a playoff team in 2-3 years. The new management so far seems slick. They sure did dupe the cowboys out of a LOT

Well considering that Kitna was traded to Dallas in Feb this can't happen.

[Daddy Big Nuts]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

I guess you've never heard of guys like Joe Montana or Dan Marino or John Elway?


Favre is probably in the top 10, but greatest of all time?

HAH!

Tough to say he's the greatest of all time.....but he's probably in the top 5....way within the top 10.

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

That's crazy. You can't get fair value for a good QB in a trade.

1st round quarterbacks only work out 50% of the time, so you'd need 2 first round picks to replace him. (Plus 2-3 years to develop the guy)
Hell, the other 2 first round quarterbacks taken the same year as Cutler are both busts.

TBH, this is probably more Cutler's doing than the Broncos. Since if he gets traded he can get a new contract now, and not have to play out the remaining two years of his rookie deal. The new head coach/qb coach coming to town was just the cover his agent needed to pull this off IMO.

Not more Cutlers doing, he busted his ass to show he was a top QB, McDaniels came in and said you may not be our man I'm going after Cassell. They should have never went public with wanting him. He fucked up big time. McDaniels has the stupid New England ego and wants everything his way.

Now they are going from a great QB, to trying to hopefully pick up one in the draft.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by farkedup

Favre is by far the greatest QB of all time.

Your cred in this thread ended with that statement.

Sorry.



As for the Cutler trade I heard rumblings about it last month and I think I even posted about it's coming. No surprise here. I'm sure he'll thrive in a new market and then all the broncos fans will say "See? We shudda kept him!"... but it doesn't work that way. He and Denver were just spinning their wheels every year as far as I could tell.

[LeRoy]

Not a good move for them

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by SweetT

You and every other Buc fan in the world. It would be a perfect fit. The Bucs run that quazi west coast offense with the zone blocking and downhill run game that sets up the play action pass beautifully. That has Cutler written all over it.

As a true Falcon fan let me be the first to say....I hope you dont get him ;)


--T

Are they still gonna run that same offense now that Gruden is gone?

Originally Posted by farkedup

I got it, Denver has the #12 selection and the Lions desperately want out of the #1 slot since nobody this year deserves #1 pay..

swap #1 for #12 and send them that first 2nd round pick for Cutler. Toss in Kitna or something LMAO

Cutler has the Broncos bent over so paying "market value" for Cutler would be stupid.

No way the Broncos would take that deal.

Nobody wants the #1 overall pick. NOBODY.
It's a weight around a franchise's neck, more of a curse than a blessing.....since that's a rookie you have to give $30M guaranteed to...and there's no clear cut #1 player this year.

Cutler doesn't have the Broncos bent over because they own his ass for the next two years. If he holds out, he doesn't get paid.

The Broncos might want the 1st rounder you got from the Cowboys for Roy Williams. Maybe both of the Cowboys picks (1st and 3rd) plus a conditional pick next year depending on Cutler's playing time/performance.
Then the Lions could use that #1 overall pick on a left tackle, move Backus to the right side, and then Cutler won't get concussed his first game in Detroit.

Of course, all of that depends on whether or not Cutler wants to go to Detroit, because he could refuse to sign a contract extension with them if he didn't want to play there, and that would kill the trade.

Anyways, I rambled a bit there but my main point is that if you think the Broncos are going to give you Cutler in exchange for moving up 11 spots in the 1st round to a spot that nobody wants, and a 2nd rounder, you've lost your mind.

Also, FWIW, it was the OLD management that got that deal from the Cowboys. Come to think of it, the new management is the old management. All of those front office guys were already there.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by »Rob Content«

Not more Cutlers doing, he busted his ass to show he was a top QB, McDaniels came in and said you may not be our man I'm going after Cassell. They should have never went public with wanting him. He fucked up big time. McDaniels has the stupid New England ego and wants everything his way.

Now they are going from a great QB, to trying to hopefully pick up one in the draft.

It's still more Cutler's doing.

He's the big fucking crybaby who won't answer the phone like a girl because he got his feelings hurt.

Plus I've read articles that said he was trying to get traded after they let the QB coach go, months ago......but that it was done on the down low....and then once the Cassell rumors leaked that was his opening to go public so that he would look like the innocent bystander and the team would look like the bad guy.

In today's NFL, everyone is expendable. He needs to quit being a crybaby (and TBH I don't think he is upset about it...that's just the cover story...getting traded gets him paid like Romo and Rodgers just got paid, and that's what this is really all about)

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

It's still more Cutler's doing.

He's the big fucking crybaby who won't answer the phone like a girl because he got his feelings hurt.

Plus I've read articles that said he was trying to get traded after they let the QB coach go, months ago......but that it was done on the down low....and then once the Cassell rumors leaked that was his opening to go public so that he would look like the innocent bystander and the team would look like the bad guy.

In today's NFL, everyone is expendable. He needs to quit being a crybaby (and TBH I don't think he is upset about it...that's just the cover story...getting traded gets him paid like Romo and Rodgers just got paid, and that's what this is really all about)

He'll get paid regardless. McDaniels is fuck, plain and simple. He's going to fuck that team up and be hated there in two years.

They made some huge mistakes. Most QB's are crybabies, just part of the job.

All he ever wanted was to be told he was their go to guy, they would never do that. And when they got rid of Shanny he was told by the owner straight up he has nothing to worry about.

He feels lied to, and not trusted. And the coach totally just gave ego to him. McDaniels is more concerned with everyone knowing it's his show to run, and not making the team happy.

[mvee]

Originally Posted by split_joel

He will not go to detriot, detriot is going to bank on there newbie in the first round draft. Bitchler will go to Minnesota, or chicago

Possible but Minnesota doesn't have anything to trade in terms of draft picks. My guess is Chi, NYC maybe SF but Singletary doesn't seem like he is going to put up with prima donnas

[farkedup]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

I guess you've never heard of guys like Joe Montana or Dan Marino or John Elway?


Favre is probably in the top 10, but greatest of all time?

HAH!

Marino exits the argument for simply not being a WINNER, nobody cares what records you own if you don't take your team to a title.

Elway nearly fell into the Dan Marino file except late in his career a big man named Davis carried his ass to the promised land.

I am a HUGE Montana fan and without a doubt he's the only man that has a real argument for being better than Favre. Montana is the ultimate winner with ice water running through his veins. He also played on without a doubt the greatest team of his era with nobody even coming close. I just can't rid myself of him limping around in a brace in a chiefs uniform but bringing that sorry ass team to the playoffs.

Manning and Brady will deserve being in that argument in the near future.

Simple fact is remove a couple of Favres late seasons, have him retire a few years ago and he's way higher on everybody's lists of top QB's. He greatly harmed his legacy in his later years and that insane collapse with the Jets and the divorce with the pack.

With Favre it just depends on if "fun" enters your rankings. I've never enjoyed AND hated watching a player more. Montana and Brady are both alike but are fairly robot like and and predictable. They are conservatives who are afraid to chuck the ball down the field. Montana was a great short yardage QB that nickel and dimed you on yardage but he didn't have the "gun" of an Elway or Favre. Elway became a champ when he LOST his gunslinger ways. If Favre could have lost his gunslinger ways the Jets may have gone to the Super Bowl just like the year before the Pack would have if Favre wouldn't have been trying to rocket shit in there like he used to. If Favre could have pulled an Elway the Pack quite possibly would have gone back to back champs since they really had a LOT of talent on both sides of the ball.

[notoldschool]

I hope the Bucs get him.

[farkedup]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Also, FWIW, it was the OLD management that got that deal from the Cowboys. Come to think of it, the new management is the old management. All of those front office guys were already there.

Actually the deal was after Millen was fired and yes these are guys that were there before but Millen made it clear he was calling ALL of the shots and had final say on everything.

So far with what the new guys did to the Cowboys I have some hope with them. I don't like some of the cuts they made but overall they seem to be making solid trades and cut some cap space in some ways that for the most part made sense. I expected some form of major free agent but maybe they want to model themselves like the Packers did and grow with inhouse talent.

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

I hope the Bucs get him.

If Gruden was still there they would already have him.

[CIVMatt]

I wish he's come to detroit

[farkedup]

Originally Posted by »Rob Content«

He'll get paid regardless. McDaniels is fuck, plain and simple. He's going to fuck that team up and be hated there in two years.

They made some huge mistakes. Most QB's are crybabies, just part of the job.

All he ever wanted was to be told he was their go to guy, they would never do that. And when they got rid of Shanny he was told by the owner straight up he has nothing to worry about.

He feels lied to, and not trusted. And the coach totally just gave ego to him. McDaniels is more concerned with everyone knowing it's his show to run, and not making the team happy.

Don't forget Cutler says the owner promised him the offensive coaches would stay which the owner later denied.

Firing Shannahan was something that shocked the hell out of me and I'm sure it shocked everybody on the team. Shanny is simply a coaching legend. He's a shitty GM for the most part but a GOOD coach. I think the owner had to fire the GM but it happened to be his coach too. I think they should have at least made sure they had a capable coach in the wings before firing shanny. Cutler is coming off a great season and he has no faith in the young coach so he wants out. a LOT of shit happened in the offices at Denver this off season. I don't think ANY teams are going to be jumping all over Cutler right now. They all know they longer they wait the more Cutler will bend the Broncos over and a better deal can be had.

Anybody who doesn't think Cutler is in control of this situation is on CRACK! 9ers are out for sure, SIngletary is not the kind of coach Cutler wants. I wish SIngletary was coach of the Lions thats for sure. In the end Cutler signing an extension with the new team is what controls the entire trade. If Cutler can't work a deal with the bucs he won't go there, I seriously doubt he wants to deal with the PITA bears fans. They are just as loud and annoying as Philly fans. I think the Bears are gonna hold out for mcnabb.

[farkedup]

Originally Posted by »Rob Content«

If Gruden was still there they would already have him.

agree with ya for sure... Gruden is exactly the coach Cutler would love. The new staff has too many question marks.

Fox sports possibilities of where cutler can go didn't include the Vikings WTF! I really think T-Jack is a joke and they badly need to upgrade a QB. Hell even talking Favre out of retirement would be a huge upgrade for them. Vikings with a QB means top 5 team easy! Shit when that running game gets going they're a top 5 team no matter who's under center.

[mvee]

Originally Posted by farkedup

If Favre could have lost his gunslinger ways the Jets may have gone to the Super Bowl just like the year before the Pack would have if Favre wouldn't have been trying to rocket shit in there like he used to.

There was no way he can change his style of play at this late in his career. Once Holmgram left GB it was over, because Brett lost the guy that made him great and could chew his ass. He let his mechanics go to shit and was to big of a star to listen to anyone else. All he had left was his Gunslinger ways. By the middle of last season age really caught up with him his arm was so tired he didn't even have that. He was through.

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by farkedup

Don't forget Cutler says the owner promised him the offensive coaches would stay which the owner later denied.

Firing Shannahan was something that shocked the hell out of me and I'm sure it shocked everybody on the team. Shanny is simply a coaching legend. He's a shitty GM for the most part but a GOOD coach. I think the owner had to fire the GM but it happened to be his coach too. I think they should have at least made sure they had a capable coach in the wings before firing shanny. Cutler is coming off a great season and he has no faith in the young coach so he wants out. a LOT of shit happened in the offices at Denver this off season. I don't think ANY teams are going to be jumping all over Cutler right now. They all know they longer they wait the more Cutler will bend the Broncos over and a better deal can be had.

Anybody who doesn't think Cutler is in control of this situation is on CRACK! 9ers are out for sure, SIngletary is not the kind of coach Cutler wants. I wish SIngletary was coach of the Lions thats for sure. In the end Cutler signing an extension with the new team is what controls the entire trade. If Cutler can't work a deal with the bucs he won't go there, I seriously doubt he wants to deal with the PITA bears fans. They are just as loud and annoying as Philly fans. I think the Bears are gonna hold out for mcnabb.

mcnabb would last about 3 mins in chicago, they don't like big name qb's there. they never ever have.

[Daddy Big Nuts]

As Tony pointed out earlier......the new system in Tampa is a perfect fit for Cutler. The old one focused on 3-4 yard passes, which is a total waste of Cutler's cannon arm. The new O spreads things out and looks to create mis-matches down the field.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by farkedup

Marino exits the argument for simply not being a WINNER, nobody cares what records you own if you don't take your team to a title.

Based on that logic Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Marino, and Archie Manning sucked.

Gimme a fucking break.

How about the fact that Miami would have been 6-10 instead of 10-6 for alot of those years without Marino, especially late in his career.

Originally Posted by farkedup

Simple fact is remove a couple of Favres late seasons, have him retire a few years ago and he's way higher on everybody's lists of top QB's. He greatly harmed his legacy in his later years and that insane collapse with the Jets and the divorce with the pack.

You can't cherry pick parts of a guy's career to call him the greatest of all time. That's total bullshit.
Also, if he retired a few years ago, then he wouldn't have broken any of Marino's records....records that took Favre alot more games/attempts to do than Marino did.

Originally Posted by farkedup

Actually the deal was after Millen was fired and yes these are guys that were there before but Millen made it clear he was calling ALL of the shots and had final say on everything.

So far with what the new guys did to the Cowboys I have some hope with them. I don't like some of the cuts they made but overall they seem to be making solid trades and cut some cap space in some ways that for the most part made sense. I expected some form of major free agent but maybe they want to model themselves like the Packers did and grow with inhouse talent.

Hey at least you know it can't get any worse. Although really if the owner wasn't such a cheapskate he would have brought in all new front office staff. He just didn't want to pay all those guys for not working like he has to do with Marinelli and Millen.

Originally Posted by »Rob Content«

He'll get paid regardless. McDaniels is fuck, plain and simple. He's going to fuck that team up and be hated there in two years.

They made some huge mistakes. Most QB's are crybabies, just part of the job.
.

Well you've obviously chosen sides....since you've passed judgement on a coach who hasn't coached his first game yet, and praised a QB because "he busted his ass to show he was a top QB".....as if he was supposed to do something else for the $48 million contract he got?
As if he hasn't been playing for his next contract since he got there. Oh he just selflessly busted his ass and now the big bad broncos don't want him anymore. Cry me a river.

If you could be a little more objective you'd see that this was a carefully orchestrated thing by Cutler and his agent...who have been trying to get out of Denver ever since Shannahan and Jeremy Bates were let go.....and the trade discussions about Cassell were just his excuse for publicly lobbying for a trade.
McDaniels only considered the trade BECAUSE Cutler had already told the Broncos he wanted out of there.

The rest of it is just theater.

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Based on that logic Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Marino, and Archie Manning sucked.

Gimme a fucking break.

How about the fact that Miami would have been 6-10 instead of 10-6 for alot of those years without Marino, especially late in his career.




You can't cherry pick parts of a guy's career to call him the greatest of all time. That's total bullshit.
Also, if he retired a few years ago, then he wouldn't have broken any of Marino's records....records that took Favre alot more games/attempts to do than Marino did.




Hey at least you know it can't get any worse. Although really if the owner wasn't such a cheapskate he would have brought in all new front office staff. He just didn't want to pay all those guys for not working like he has to do with Marinelli and Millen.



Well you've obviously chosen sides....since you've passed judgement on a coach who hasn't coached his first game yet, and praised a QB because "he busted his ass to show he was a top QB".....as if he was supposed to do something else for the $48 million contract he got?
As if he hasn't been playing for his next contract since he got there. Oh he just selflessly busted his ass and now the big bad broncos don't want him anymore. Cry me a river.

If you could be a little more objective you'd see that this was a carefully orchestrated thing by Cutler and his agent...who have been trying to get out of Denver ever since Shannahan and Jeremy Bates were let go.....and the trade discussions about Cassell were just his excuse for publicly lobbying for a trade.
McDaniels only considered the trade BECAUSE Cutler had already told the Broncos he wanted out of there.

The rest of it is just theater.

You have your mind made up as well it seems

[Kard63]

Broncos fucked up huge. Cutler will have less talented WRs wherever he lands but I would want to leave too if they fucked me like that. Of the 6 teams displaying interest only Detroit (Calvin) has a stud WR.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by »Rob Content«

You have your mind made up as well it seems

Nah, I'm sure there's alot we don't know, and neither side has clean hands. That's all I'm saying.

[USUALENT]

they will be the new detroit lions... new coach.. no qb.. looking good in the mile high city

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Broncos i live and die by and im ready to cry after this, first Shanahan and now Cutler? wtf are they smoking on?

Cutler is a fucking cannon. they need to just chill out in the organization they picked up Dawkins and should help clear up SOME of their D probs, without the O they are nothing.

I agree. I was devastated when they fired Shanahan. Now this. It seems like the have destroyed a great franchise in like 8 weeks of stupidity.

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

I agree. I was devastated when they fired Shanahan. Now this. It seems like the have destroyed a great franchise in like 8 weeks of stupidity.

Yeah it's a fucking mess...

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by farkedup

He has his ups and downs but Favre is by far the greatest QB of all time.

Fucking please. Favre isnt even in the top 10 and he has the record for the most interceptions. Elway, Unitas, Bradshaw, Marino, Montana, now those were QB's.

As far as the Broncos, they traded their 2nd best QB in franchise history for an arrogant no track record punk of a coach.

[Owner]

he just got traded to the Bucs for a first round pic