papill0n

stop fucking eating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Darkland

Apparently you have never heard of the thyroid gland and the complications it causes when malfunctioning. The thyroid, you know, controls the metabolism your talking about. It also is important in producing key hormones that regulate that metabolism. Metabolism determines the rate at which a person can burn calories and thus has the ultimate effect on one’s weight.

There are several other medical conditions and diseases that can effect weight gains that are NOT related to over eating, lack of exercise, etc.

If you know so much about physics that you think you do, you would know it is merely a model with set rules and equations to determine properties, interactions, processes, and known laws. Information and data OTHER than the standard laws must be taken into account as well. What you fail to realize within your "ideal" or "perfect model" of physics, as already stated by another member, is that the human body doesn't always respond or work in the manner it should.

Take cancer for example, it starts it's life out as healthy cells or tissue that is triggered by a gene causing it to grossly and dangerously multiply and mutate. In your "ideal" or "perfect model" of physics, even though it is really about biology, those cells shouldn't mutate. But they do, just as some obese people are that way for reasons OTHER that not taking care of themselves.

Otherwise, in a perfectly healthy person, what you say is true.

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GetSCORECash

My dad is in a similar situation, it's funny how the medication makes him gain weight. If he stops takeing his meds he actually loses weight.

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I think there is no need for putting emotions into whether fat people need to buy two seats or not. We weigh our luggage and pay extra on overweight stuff, we also have to be able to fit our carry on luggage into the measuring frame to be able to take it on board. Same should go for people. If someone cannot fit into a single seat without spilling through the sides or weighs considerably more than an average traveler, they should pay extra and buy more space to accommodate them. Why make it so emotional and discuss whether or not it is medical condition...

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Snake Doctor

I do have sympathy for fat people.

To clarify, I think a lawsuit over what airlines charge is stupid.

That being said, if we're talking about fat people (people who are obese, not people who have 10lbs worth of love handles or thick thighs) most of the time, their weight is a symptom of another problem, not the actual problem itself.

It's a complicated issue that I don't want to delve too deeply into, but there are usually deep seated emotional or psychological issues that drive the compulsive behavior that leads to being obese.
Telling these people to exercise and go on a diet is about as useful as telling someone with emphysema to take Robitussin. They will always fail because the weight is the symptom, not the actual problem.

Most people are ignorant of this. Both the non-obese person who thinks that fat people are just lazy or unmotivated, and the obese person who thinks that they are lazy and unmotivated.

I feel sympathy for them because I know what it feels like to be locked in a prison of compulsive and self destructive behavior, and not being able to stop even though you consciously know you're killing yourself.

You may think someone needs to kick these people in the ass and tell them to stop eating this and start eating that, but I promise you, every single one of them is 10 times more harsh with themselves than you're being with them.

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Sorry but I fail to see whether a person should be considered as 2. So pregnant women should be charged twice? and short people or anorexic people should be charged half? Do you consider yourself "luggage"? And just news for you, it may be extremely shocking news, but you CHOOSE to carry more luggage. Peopla CAN'T CHOOSE to be not ill. And if you're in doubt, check all concepts about FREEDOM OF CHOICE, it seems like you're not getting it at all or you're opposed to it

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It's also a demographic trend. As economies mature from physically-demanding agricultural to semi-demanding industrial to less physically demanding information economies, there might be a DISCONNECT between their calorie intake habits (borne from their previous economic stage) and their calorie requirements for their new economic stage. This might explain why economies that are transitioning to information economies often have higher obesity rates. Of course, the exception to this is Japan.

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It is true too in a hypothyroid person

Eva PSC

If the pregnant woman is so big that cannot fit into a single regular sized seat, she should too buy more space. Air travel is all about weight and size.

Also, people sitting next to the really big passenger are deprived of the space they paid for and that isn't fair. And I didn't say that I believe big people should pay for two seats, if anything, I would say 3 - I wouldn't want to be sitting on either side of the really big person Seriously, I think new planes should be equipped with special larger seats for "big" people or have the big people simply buy business class seats.

I believe airlines should eventually charge one base fee per passenger and then the rest of the charge should be calculated depending on how much you weigh (fuel consumption depends on weight).

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Pleasurepays

a low thyroid (which affects something like 1:2,000,000 people doesn't mean you automatically gain weight no matter what you do. it means your metabolism is slowed down somewhat. it can be corrected with medication and regardless, doesn't change the math. if you require 1500 calories a day and you eat 1500 calories a day, your weight doesn't change. if you require 1500 calories a day and eat 2000 calories a day and run 30 minutes, your weight doesn't change.

its still all about how many calories you BURN in a day vs. how many calories you CONSUME in a day. having a thyroid problem (which goes both ways btw) does not change that simple fact.

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a simple fact of human nature is that reinforcing a behavior and approving of it, doesn't curb it. it encourages it. if you want to help obese people, start by saying "jesus man... you are seriously overweight and need to get your shit together"

you want to defend obesity... how is that helping anyone? saying "its ok to be totally obese and its not your fault" is neither truthful or helpful to anyone.


prejudices? are you fucking kidding me? 1/2 the fucking nation is obese. same with the UK. what the fuck? when did being obese suddenly become totally ok? how do you go from me saying people need to be accountable and responsible for their decisions to "bomb mcdonalds"?

discriminate against fat people? its a personal choice. if the cool new thing is to cut off your legs, don't come to me telling me that i need to accept it and make counters at all supermarkets 2 ft tall. its not discriminatory to say "no... i don't think that's reasonable".

if you want to be obese... be obese. more power to you. i don't think i should have to get crushed next to you on a plane or smell you or pay for your medical issues as a tax payer.

jmcb420

If you are fat because you have a 100% medical reason then yes, that sucks.


If you are fat because you do everything but attempt to loose some ass, then no. I dont have sympathy for you.

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nope. not even a little bit. Being fat (for most people) is a choice. The ones that don't have a choice are the ones that are obese due to some medical condition. For them I feel sympathy for. Everyone else... including myself... need to put down the Burger King and go for a walk

LadyMischief

sorry to say, but some people really can't help it, no matter how strictly fantastically healthy their diet is, even working out can't always help when there's tumors or Endrocrine-related obesity (Such as Cushing Syndrome). There was a documentary not that long ago following a woman who was healthy, an athlete even, worked out and over a period of less than a year put on over 300 pounds. Even her doctor couldn't figure it out until they looked into her endocrine system, and even then they couldn't regulate it with any degree of accuracy or guarantee. Some people are treated with more success, some go undiagnosed.

I have no sympathy for people who bitch about things they aren't willing to change, like obesity related to bad diet or lack of exercise, but I do for those who can't help it. There is no cut and dried, but the good MAJORITY of obese people CAN do something about it if they wish.

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Cortisol, cortisone, people on those kinds of medications will gain weight without junking out or getting lazy.

Cortisol, the active form of cortisone, is a hormone involved in a variety of different bodily functions, from the immune system to the regulation of blood sugar and liver function. Taking cortisone to deal with other medical issues changes the natural balance of cortisone in the body and can't help but have systemic effects, including weight gain.

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Pleasurepays

you are talking super rare things... not the everday turd who is fat and won't accept responsibility for it.

strangely, everyone who is obese is quick to point out its often not the individuals fault.. yet medical statistics don't support that. 50% of this nation is obese. 50% of the nation does not have serious physiological malfunctions in their body causing them to be obese.



the math doesn't add up in the excuse dept.

LadyMischief

Having a thyroid problem changes how much one has to do in order to burn the same 500 calorie difference though. If one person with a normal thyroid can burn that off walking around the block, someone with an underactive thyroid would have to run around the block 100 times for the same amount of metabolic activity. Seems like a pretty big difference to me

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LadyMischief

Most people have no medical reasons to why they are fat, but then again as a culture, we do little to give support to those who are at risk for overeating, not to mention we are very spoiled as a culture. Look at countries that aren't as "lucky" as we are in North America, and you will see that there are almost no fat people. You don't see too many fat Africans, or Mongolians, or South American Indians. They have entirely different cultures, they don't have the "temptations" available to them, etc. One thing that is interesting to see that as communities become more "civilized" and "modernized", how quickly the general population develops an obesity problem. There's more to it than each individual, but in the end it boils down to each individual. Sort of a catch 22.

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Pleasurepays

you are grossly overstating the effects of hypothyroidism. you can't suppport the claim of "exercise X 100" - it would be more like X 1.2 or something.

you can have hypothyroidism and not know it. there are degrees. you can just feel a little fatigued sometimes or whatever. it doesn't mean you are condemned to be obese. it means your body burns about 1600 calories a day where it normally would burn 2000 calories a day... this means that you, as the person with this condition need to adjust your diet to 1600 calories a day. its not complex math ;)

it also determines how much energy you burn in a day... i.e. less than you otherwise would had you had normal thyroid function. that still puts it on you to adjust your diet and exercise regimen to compensate. you are not condemned to being obese. obesity is a choice.

Pleasurepays

its still math. period. there is no escaping the simple math. food has calories. calories are energy. your body requires energy. you eat calories for energy. at the end of the day, there is a surplus of calories, a deficit of calories or no change. you can't eat 1500 calories a day, burn 1500 calories a day and gain weight. that's just not possible.

everyone is "at risk for overeating" - but most people understand the basic principles of nutrition and the consequences of eating too much, eating what you actually want, when you want etc. ;)

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if people are sad or depressed about being overweight I feel bad for them. Even if it's not related to a medical condition - people indulge themselves for emotional reasons, and good luck dealing with those. the only person i wouldn't have empathy for is somebody who is eating and drinking just because he loves to eat and drink like a kid let loose in a candy store - and then is angry or upset that he/she is overweight.

the VAST majority of obesity is all lifestyle and diet related, yes some people have a propensity to be overweight, my sister was like that, you can see in her baby photos and when she was a little girl, she didn't eat any more or exercise any less than her friends or me yet she was a chubbster. And when she was in high school she really let herself go, stress of being a teenager made her reward herself with the comfort foods, and her two best friends were also heavy girls, all popular, the funny goodtime girls, but obviously no boyfriends, my sister was the girl guys came to for advice - and then she went to college and realized it was now or never for her and she dropped god knows how many pounds, she turned into a petite cute girl. For the past 25 years she's never gone back to being obese, but it's a constant struggle.

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Look, all you fat asses is this thread. Push yourself away from the table and get some god damn exercise!

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HandballJim

No unless they have a medical problem.

One time coming home from Vegas this huge dude with arms the size of my thighs fucking blocked my tv controls on the arm of the chair. I did not want to start any trouble since after nine eleven the airlines take everything very serious. I would have to agree with the airline on this one even though I know cool overweight people. Even on NYC subways there could be this small space between people and they try and fit in between. If I were them I would go for the surgery to shrink the stomach.

Since I am on the computer so much I had to change my eating habits not to gain weight in the winter, I try to play a lot of handball during the summer to keep in shape.

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Pleasurepays

more likely... they will accuse you of discrimination in the morning ;)

PSSuperstars

this is going to be TMI.. but.
In 2007... I had a period that last 8 months straight. I weighed 266lbs. I was working out with a personal trainer twice per week and on my own 4 times per week.. Each workout session my heart rate monitor would register 900+ calories burned. EVERY TIME. It was my goal...... eating between 1500-1700 calories..

We were staying in the Four Seasons... when I looked down and I swear I thought I was giving birth. I was bleeding down my leg horribly.

Next day I went to a gyno. Gyno told me, "You're eating too much..." I told her my exercise regime and gave her my food journal.. and she told me that I was probably sabotaging myself.. and brought up the words "PCOS"...

I google PCOS and found a support site online... I found a great doc here in Houston..

I get to the doc in Houston.. and find out that I have the testosterone of a dude (hence, my sex drive, competitiveness, and ambition)... I tell him my work out regimen... He has me food journal on his website... we get blood work.. and my free floating testosteron is somewhere in the 700s... a Normal MAN is in the 700s...

We also did the 2 hour glucose test.. first time we did it with the koolaid drink.. second time we did it with a DIET SODA...

We learned that my body floods itself with glucose for virtually any carb or fake sugar.. Even a "diet soda... even splenda... and any kind of white refined carb.

In February of 08. I decided I was going to change it all... From February 08.. to May 08... I had a shake every single morning... with some PCOS blend that had cinnamon and other things that help glucose in it... took my metformin.. got down to about 1300 calories per day.. still with the insane workouts...

I got down to 233. No cellulite. I could run 2-3 miles on the treadmill... larger mid section...

But keeping up a diet of strictly proteins and water was and is hard for me.. I get discouraged that I can't just work out like other people... While taking the meds and supplements for PCOS to lose the weight.. my thyroid fucked up.. one was masking the other...

So yeah it's discouraging that most women can just cut their calories to a certain level.. and lose.. I can't.

There are medical conditions. I could work out circles around most of the dudes on here... obviously not the meat heads.. lol but your average webmaster.. I'm a gym beast. I love to work out.. and most people never guess how much I actually weigh.

So yeah.. There are medical conditions that make it hard.. and I fully believe the PCOS developed as a result of hormones/steroids in food/meats I ate when younger..

I still adore working out.. and wish I could run a lot more at my weight without hurting joints/whatever.. and am considering some form of bariatric surgery in the future... supposedly bypass cures PCOS and insulin resistance issues...
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However.. I do think there should be an extra charge if they genuinely do spill over into the other seat.. even at 266.. I was contained in my own seat... while some women at 266.. would spill over... so I think there needs to be a test...

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Not only that, but thyroid problems don't announce themselves! It's not like people who develop them or end up with them wake up one morning saying "Hmm, my thyroid feels funny" ...many times it goes undiagnosed.

I don't think anybody is arguing the "high percentage" of people who -can- do something about it and don't, but what we are arguing here is the idea that that's "all there is" and that there are no other contributing factors to obesity in some people.

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Also many doctors don't prescribe when they should.. if you're at a 3-4 on the scale... and your weight is going up.. a doctor should ignore the normal levels.. and put you on at least 125..

That's why it's important to have a doctor who knows their shit.. my reproductive endo has been a godsent... and he understands that the lifestyle needed for a PCOS'er WITH thyroid problems is way different than a typical chick just dieting..

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I think what these people are trying to tell you is that some human bodies do not obey the laws of nature. They are magically able to create mass out of nothing. Therefore, it doesn't matter how many calories they put in their mouths.

ExLust

Uhmmm...no.

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Not really but that's because I don't have sympathy for anyone.

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Yngwie

that pisses me off also. Plus, they keep complaining that they're fat. Hell, I have a leg disability that makes it near impossible for me to walk, but guess what? I still do it and I have never used a scooter in my life. Not even a wheel chair yet these fat people are riding around on scooters getting fatter and they complain about it. In my opinion they have lost the right to complain about it considering they do nothing to try to help their situation..

So ya, scooters should be for old people AND disabled people that can't get around otherwise. For christ sake, I still ride a BICYCLE even though my legs are fucked and will only get worse as I age. I deal with the extreme pain, the weird looks from people and all that shit because I don't want to become useless. They're allowing being fat to be a reason to be lazy and have people do shit for them. You're fat? In most cases you can lose it and walk no problem. I can't "lose" my leg disability and will never be able to walk like the average person. By the time I'm 40 I'll be lucky if I can walk and that's 5 years away.

To make things worse, I once got insulted by a fat person riding a scooter because of the way that I walk. So ya, I got mean and said "At least I walk you fat lazy fuck" and walked away. So do I have sympathy? NO!

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I think being overweight, as we see, is a very emotional, very complicated issue.
There is not a "one size fits all answer."

As for me personally, I have never been overweight, but my weight has certainly fluctuated.

In terms of feeling bad for fat people...it really depends I guess.

In general, not really. Most people who I personally know are fat because they eat too damn much and don't exercise. Point blank.

One person on the other hand had a serious addiction to food. He was at least 450-500 pounds (more maybe-I'm bad at gauging these things), had both knees replaced and had to take viagra because when you're that fat...you can't get it up. He was a serious emotional eater and had deep seated issues with food since childhood. I feel for people like this what I feel for alcoholics and drug addicts, some people are more predisposed to addiction and it sucks. Really. But there comes a point where you have to make a personal choice and say "I can not continue this. "

His doctor basically told him it wasn't a question of if he would die but when. He then finally took control of his health and started a fitness program for morbidly obese people with UC Irvine. His insurance was unwilling to pay for this program: which included monitored work outs, group therapy sessions and supervised meal plans. The insurance did offer to pay for a bipass. It's disgusting because it's like putting a band aid on pneumonia. Treat the fucking cause, not the symptoms.

This man is now slimmed down to a XXL which for him is a major accomplishment. He can shop at normal stores instead of Big and Tall and actually has a sense of pride in self.

My long winded point is this, people have various addictions and diseases which manifest in different forms. It might be food. I feel bad for these people, but at some point you must take responsibility for yourself and take care of your own health. No one else will do it for you.

Serious medical conditions which are the minority of cases, do not apply, obviously....

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the thing I find strange is that most fat people say it's because of a medical condition. Yet statistically there is an incredibly higher percentage of fat people in the USA, UK etc compared to other countries. For me it's all a case of the fast food, lazyness and "being fat it ok" mentality. I've lived in many countries around the world and I think it's fantastic that in central/eastern Europe girls are more conscious about their looks. People are healthier and walking along the beach is much more pleasant
I don't have sympathy for fat people unless I know for a fact that it is caused mostly by some serious medical condition.

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Superstar ..I also have PCOS and insulin resistance. I have been here. I have done the metformin thing (still do) and all. It took me years to get the balance right so that my body would lose weight. Finally, what worked for me was to go low GI and make up the majority of my diet with slow burning food. That made SO much difference to my weight loss.

I get what is being said about the numbers game and the fact is that it is indeed true that my weight loss came when I started counting every damn calorie I eat. I have done that for just about every meal that I have cooked for two years now. So, yes, it is true that even for me it is about the number of calories I eat but it is also about what makes up those calories. If I eat things with fast burning sugars I can stay within my calorie allowance and my weight will start to push up. If I eat the exact same calories of slow burning (low gi) foods it goes down.

What isn't taken into consideration with the 'it is just math' line is that the math may be true but that it still doesn't mean it will happen like clockwork. I have had weeks when I have been well bellow my required calorie deficit and not dropped a single pound. Then, another week I may have eaten a bit more than I should have (but not hugely) and that will be the week I drop weight.

Right now, I am on a plateau that is driving me nuts because I am so close to 100lbs lost. It isn't being helped by me recently being put on a medication that has weight gain as a side effect. I am working out 6 days a week just to keep from gaining. I am very within my calorie deficit too but it just isn't budging. I feel that is eventually will and in the mean time I know I am eating a very healthy diet.

I think what stops so many people from finding the power within themselves to climb this mountain is the pressure they feel to drop all their weight nearly instantly. It simply isn't how it happens if you want to keep it off and be healthy with your loss.

As I have said, it has taken me over two years to get to nearly 90lbs lost. It will take me for sure over another year to get to my ultimate goal. People such as myself who have issues where it takes them physically longer to drop weight then a lot of other people most likely have tried 'diets' over and over again and lost a bit and then met a wall. They become discouraged by the wall and then give up.

I totally know that I have been guilty of that all my life. I would drop 20 or so pounds and then nothing for a weeks and then give up. This time, I didn't and instead of being on a 'diet' I just totally changed the way I eat and live and decided that is what I would do no matter if I lost weight or not. It is only by sticking with it and not judging my rate of weight loss by anybody else's that I am seeing my weight go and stay off.

I have a typical apple shape where most of my weight is in my belly. I get now that part of the reason I used to give up was that my belly just doesn't budge. It wasn't until I lost over 50lbs that my belly started to drop any real inches. Okay, my body around me was but this big thing wasn't moving. It still is bigger than you would think it should be for my current weight. It simply will be the last thing to go on my body. Yet, I was judging all of my previous weight loss attempts on it.

People that think they are a failure because their weight isn't coming off as fast as somebody on The Biggest Loser or somebody on one of the milkshake diets need to be shown that this is a long term thing. The quick fix culture makes so many people feel they are never going to drop weight. They usually will but they need to be shown that they have to do it on the pace *their* body will go.

If it wouldn't take a stupid number of years for me to train, I would think about going into counseling to help other people that I have been as big as me find that inner strength to not give up on their own bodies.

Pleasurepays

Sarah, i have the deepest respect for someone going through what you are going through. i've been there. i've done it. i know hard it is. I think its a tremendous tragedy that people can be so dismissive of your efforts and achievements and start saying "oh.. well, its a medical thing" when it just isn't.

Its only when you actually sit down, write everything down. plan out meals. plan out your total calories, total grams of fat, carbs and protein for the day and start paying attention does everything come into focus. and your right, where you are getting those calories does matter. the glycemic index is important in terms of controlling hunger and maintaining energy levels within the strict number of calories you eat in a day.

For me, its horrible that people won't do what you're doing. They'll buy pills. They'll buy crappy "seen it on tv" ab machines or whatever. but they won't actually try. they won't try because there is not a quick fix. an easy fix an a fix that doesn't require extraordinary determination, focus and discipline and its horrible that we live in a world where people are so quick to adopt excuses and basically demand that everyone accept that their bodies defy the unbreakable laws of physics (energy in vs energy out)

You've managed to do something that so very few have the strength of character to do and i think that's amazing. I think people like you, doing what you are doing should be what people point to. rather than the ever so elusive, ambiguous and vague "medical condition". the world would truly be a better place if people were just as quick to say "well... look at what Sarah achieved, i guess it is possible"

Sarah_Jayne

Thanks. I do think there are medical *factors* for many - myself included. However, there is a difference between having a medical factor that makes it slow and damn hard to drop weight and one that makes it impossible to lose weight. I don't think people intend to make an excuse but more that they really don't believe they are capable of making such a journey. I have been there, I really understand.

These days people that haven't seen me in a long time notice my weight loss when our paths cross. To a single one they will ask me 'how did you do it'? Firstly, I point out that I haven't 'done it' yet because I still have a lot to go. Then I always reply 'pretty boring really..counted calories and exercised'. Their faces usually fall waiting for me to tell them I found some miracle solution.

Furious_Female

Hypothyroid, PCOS, excess cortisol excretion and insulin resistance are NOT rare conditions. They affect women the most, but they are very common. And while a poor diet and lack of exercise does not help these conditions, they definitely make it harder to lose weight when your metabolism AND appetite are not 'normal.' Women with PCOS and insulin resistance are HUNGRY. Truly hungry. This is why they need to eat foods that promote the most amount of satiety and control their insulin levels or else hunger and bingeing are inevitable on a typical weight loss diet. No one should "diet" anyway, all you have to do is eat a little less and move a little more. We're been trained to think that weight loss = starvation. Not so. You can eat a LOT and still lose weight if you manage your calorie bank and stay active.

In general it's much harder for a woman to lose weight than a man due to men having so much more lean body mass than women. Women were designed to be fat and water storing machines to produce babies. We're definitely not designed for modern day desk jobs and the plethora of refined carb foods. Then take hormones and menstrual cycles into the equation and you have a whole new animal because women also weren't meant to have as many menstrual cycles as we do in present day.

The human genome has been evolving for millions of years but it's only in the past 100 years that introduced a ridiculous amount of new foods, chemicals, preservatives and other things that our internal program doesn't know what the fuck to do with it. In terms of evolution, we're still infants. What we know about the human mind and body is nearly nothing compared to what we don't know.

Men, women, weight loss, food, calories, etc., all have many, MANY gray areas. There is not a one-size-fits all solution for everyone or every situation, however, the very basic fundamentals ring true for everyone: Eat as many real, minimally processed foods as possible and stay active. This recipe works for everyone but just how you get it to work takes a lot of tweaking and experimenting. What works for you might not work for me and vice versa. You gotta educate yourself and through trial and error, you will find what works. The only diet that works is the one you can stay on today and the rest of your life. So, forget the celery and water. Just scale back on what you already eat, eat the healthier, wholesome, homemade versions of it and before you know it, you have a new lifestyle that doesn't make you feel miserable from being hungry.

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PSSuperstars

I still think I may go the surgery route sometime this year... once the recession starts to tide over. Honestly, I hate taking birth control and metformin. and all that.

But the best thing that worked for me was cutting out any and all sugars and fake sugars. That includes "crystal lite" which every trainer, dieter, whatever tell you that you can drink to replace water.. but with PCOS.. you can't. It still triggers/floods your insulin.... But the best thing that works for me was waking up every morning and doing my metform + a shake with citrus/raspberries/blackberries. Raspberries and blackberries have a high level of fiber... as well as being low in sugar.. mixed with the concoction of the cinnamon to regulate the blood sugar levels.. and the 25-40g's of protein.. (depending on what ya used)... It would keep you full all day.


CONGRATS on 90lbs!! Are you doing a breakfast, sarah? My one goal right now is to get right back into doing the shake every morning... then lunch and dinner being sugar and carb free... unless it's whole wheat... with the GI diet.. it said for every 15g's of carbs.. you need 7 grams of protein... so I'm going to make it a part of the lifestyle...

My biggest excuse is lack of routine.. I'd always fit in the gym.. but not fit in the time to figure up everything.. I get frustrated and wish I could be like a normal chick or dude.. and just count the calories... not have to balance all the other shit out too..

But yay.. When you get to 100lbs.. you need to post

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VicD

No not really, only if they're overweight is caused by meds or such

clickhappy

It's annoying when people say "Its genetics".
Genetics doesnt make you eat potato chips, sugar drinks, french fries and candy bars instead of fruit and vegetables.
There were no obese cavemen.

After Shock Media

Not that we are cavemen I am sure we all get by what you mean, curious how you know this though?

Not like obesity is a new thing that has only came out in the past 100 years or something.

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I only have sympathy for the devil

tical

It always seems as if overweight people have tons of excuses and fit people have tons of answers.

I'm willing to bet the majority (including about 90% of obese people in this thread) do not suffer from medical conditions serious enough to keep you obese. Your endocrine system might not be at perfectly optimal levels however, it is most likely bullshit to think you are an exception to the rule. Some people just need to work harder to reach specific goals... if your thyroid is under performing, then you might need to work a little harder... that is life.

Unless you're a type I diabetic, you are probably insulin resistant because of your weight and borderline type II diabetic. Lose the weight, watch your insulin sensitivity return to normal.

From the 50's until today, obesity has skyrocketed in the US... this isn't a case of genetic de-evolution... this is a case of poor choices and over convenient, sedentary lifestyles over long periods of time.

Just because you think you're eating healthy and you work out for a year and don't lose much weight doesn't mean its a medical issue... it took years and years for you to get exactly where you are.

Those that have made the jump from obese to fit aren't lucky, they are hard working people who have changed their lifestyles completely and don't look at eating right and working out as a "diet"... it is simply everyday life.

Look at this shit...

badpuma

Shit congrats on losing the weight. No no sympothy for fat people i am fat and have none. I don't feel they need sympothy..