Technically, is Thai tranny a man or a woman?

[Legendary Samir - BANNED FOR LIFE]

How do you see them when having sex as man or a woman? gay or straight?

[WarChild]

They're men.

[Manowar]

gotta agree with warchild

born with a cock = man

[slapass]

And a tranny still has a cock right or am I confusing things.

[TidalWave]

they'll be whatever you want them to be, baby

[SomeCreep]

they both, like ying and yang

[Sands]

Depends on whether you define gender in mental or physical terms. Psychologically, transsexuals are the opposite gender and seek to change their physical makeup to reflect that. To further complicate the question, imagine you meet and fuck a post-op transsexual. You never find out that he or she used to be a she or he. Are they a man or woman? The Turing Test creates a standard to define "intelligence" when dealing with machines. If a person can't tell that a machine is a machine through the course of a conversation, then according to the Turing Test, that machine has intelligence. If you can't tell you're fucking a transsexual, have they passed some sort of gender test? Can you argue that there's a concrete, non-subjective reality in which they will always be considered their original gender? Some may offer simple answers like, "Yes, once a [gender], always a [gender]," or "You are what you think you are," but the real question to be asked is a question that GFY has been asking since it's creation:

Would you hit it?

[Iron Fist]

It's a woman if she's on all 4's and you don't see her cock... which means your not gay either. Nice huh?

[blazin]

Your all wrong...

It depends how hot she is!

[bbobby86]

they are people...

[VicD]

Don't know but they luv u long time

[The Duck]

Originally Posted by TidalWave

they'll be whatever you want them to be, baby

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Sands

Depends on whether you define gender in mental or physical terms. Psychologically, transsexuals are the opposite gender and seek to change their physical makeup to reflect that.

+1

[Sukiho]

very camp men

[kmanrox]

they're called the third gender here.

[marketsmart]

fake tits, hormone therapy, no erection when getting pounded = girl

man tits, no hormone therapy, erection when getting pounded = guy

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

fake tits, hormone therapy, no erection when getting pounded = girl

man tits, no hormone therapy, erection when getting pounded = guy

Dude.. My mom wants to know if you are ready for her spot.

[brassmonkey]

a damn man sucker has nutts

[CaptainHowdy]

Better than a woman...

[_Richard_]

they are women.. unless they introduce themselves as something different

[Farang]

They are transsexuals.

[WarChild]

You guys are ridiculous. I'm guessing it's in the closet faggotry that makes you think that way.

If you're born with a cock and XY Cromosones, then you're a male. It doesn't matter how you dress or how you think, sorry, you're male. If you seek out these males for sex, and you're male, that's homosexuality. Cut and dry.

If you dress up a dog in a suit and pretend it's a person before having sex with it, you'd still be having sex with a dog.

If you had a 14 year old girl dress as a full blown woman, and she acted like a grown adult, guess what sex is with her? Child abuse.

It's cut and dry, retards.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by WarChild

You guys are ridiculous. I'm guessing it's in the closet faggotry that makes you think that way.

If you're born with a cock and XY Cromosones, then you're a male. It doesn't matter how you dress or how you think, sorry, you're male. If you seek out these males for sex, and you're male, that's homosexuality. Cut and dry.

It's cut and dry, retards.

Transsexuals are the beginning steps for human hermaphrodites. While yes, they are already some hermaphrodites out there, they are rare and transsexuals are the next step.

It's called evolution. Hardly retarded. Just a fact of nature. Humans are changing. WarChild, 5000 years from now the world may be ONLY trannies!

[tranza]

If they have penis, they're men...always!

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Transsexuals are the beginning steps for human hermaphrodites. While yes, they are already some hermaphrodites out there, they are rare and transsexuals are the next step.

It's called evolution. Hardly retarded. Just a fact of nature. Humans are changing.

Don't be ridiculous. It's not evolution in fact in terms of evolution it can only represent a dead end. Transexuals who think they are women, are of course not and thus CAN NOT PRODUCE CHILDREN. This is not how evolution works.

Just come out of the closet already man.

[WarChild]

If I convince myself I'm a bird and dress up like one does that make the next phase of human evolution flight?

[kmanrox]

i was just gonna call WC an idiot then i realized he has some good points...

[brand0n]

if at any point and time they had/have a penis = male

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by WarChild

You guys are ridiculous. I'm guessing it's in the closet faggotry that makes you think that way.

If you're born with a cock and XY Cromosones, then you're a male. It doesn't matter how you dress or how you think, sorry, you're male. If you seek out these males for sex, and you're male, that's homosexuality. Cut and dry.

If you dress up a dog in a suit and pretend it's a person before having sex with it, you'd still be having sex with a dog.

If you had a 14 year old girl dress as a full blown woman, and she acted like a grown adult, guess what sex is with her? Child abuse.

It's cut and dry, retards.

[Sands]

Originally Posted by WarChild

You guys are ridiculous. I'm guessing it's in the closet faggotry that makes you think that way.

If you're born with a cock and XY Cromosones, then you're a male. It doesn't matter how you dress or how you think, sorry, you're male. If you seek out these males for sex, and you're male, that's homosexuality. Cut and dry.

If you dress up a dog in a suit and pretend it's a person before having sex with it, you'd still be having sex with a dog.

If you had a 14 year old girl dress as a full blown woman, and she acted like a grown adult, guess what sex is with her? Child abuse.

It's cut and dry, retards.

That's a very narrow view of sexuality, and at the very least, a simplistic view of gender and perception. Even the industry you earn money in reveals a trend counter to your conclusions. The majority of transsexual porn consumers are heterosexual, and not homosexual as you may believe. Sexuality is a fluid and deep property that can very easily transcend your reductionism and so it's not "cut and dry".

[Vicious_B]

I think once the complete all their surgeries and become physically the opposite sex fully that they should be respected as that.
Seems that in Thailand being transexual is almost a career choice.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by Sands

That's a very narrow view of sexuality, and at the very least, a simplistic view of gender and perception. Even the industry you earn money in reveals a trend counter to your conclusions. The majority of transsexual porn consumers are heterosexual, and not homosexual as you may believe. Sexuality is a fluid and deep property that can very easily transcend your reductionism and so it's not "cut and dry".

Gender is not a state of mind no matter how you spin it. You can medically determine the gender of a person and it doesn't matter how they're dressed or what they think. That's why you're making this an argument abotu "sexuality" instead I guess. Homosexual queens are not women nor are Trannys. What they are is sexually confused. Perhaps it is evolution trying to end a path that's produced a dead end. Remove the ability and desire to create children, you've ended those genes.

As for this nonsense of transexual porn consumers being mostly hetrosexual, I don't buy it. That's closet homosexuality and it's rampant, it's not hetrosexual behavior period. I mean I can see I guess if you're in to women and you stumble on a tranny without knowing it's actually a man and are attracted to it. I can buy that as hetrosexual behavior. However, when you SEEK OUT trannys you're actually looking for "women" with a penis? You know what we call people with a penis? We call them men. Men that are attracted to men are homosexuals.

[rowan]

Chicks with dicks? No. MEN with BREASTS!

[Sands]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Gender is not a state of mind no matter how you spin it. You can medically determine the gender of a person and it doesn't matter how they're dressed or what they think. That's why you're making this an argument abotu "sexuality" instead I guess. Homosexual queens are not women nor are Trannys. What they are is sexually confused. Perhaps it is evolution trying to end a path that's produced a dead end. Remove the ability and desire to create children, you've ended those genes.

As for this nonsense of transexual porn consumers being mostly hetrosexual, I don't buy it. That's closet homosexuality and it's rampant, it's not hetrosexual behavior period. I mean I can see I guess if you're in to women and you stumble on a tranny without knowing it's actually a man and are attracted to it. I can buy that as hetrosexual behavior. However, when you SEEK OUT trannys you're actually looking for "women" with a penis? You know what we call people with a penis? We call them men. Men that are attracted to men are homosexuals.

Actually, you were the first to make this argument about sexuality as you elected to present your views about what sexual orientation you need to be in order to be sexually attracted to transsexuals. So conversely, I suppose YOU felt the need to bring sexuality into the mix.

I see that you like to reference evolution for whatever reason, most likely as a way to invoke the idea that homosexuals or transsexuals are inferior as they cannot reproduce (since the bulk of your responses are routinely deprecating). And again, you're exhibiting a rather narrow view of sexual selection and evolved psychological mechanisms. If we have the brain structure and resulting consciousness that allows us a fluid gender or fluid sexuality, then this has more than likely developed over many successive generations and may lend to our species' fitness. At any rate, your presumptions are deeply flawed as you automatically assume homosexual and transsexual individuals do not want to have children and that they can't have children. They can, actually, and they do, actually.

As far as your insistence of "closet homosexuality", this is more than likely a result of your black and white reasoning. Anything that may not fall into your ying and yang outlook is automatically suspect. This is ignorance, plain and simple, which is a shame because you seem like an intelligent person otherwise. The inflexible mind is a dogmatic mind, and the dogmatic mind creates an automaton.

Men who are looking for a woman with a penis are, essentially, looking for a woman with a penis. Note the "woman" part of that sentence. And I'm not sure who the "we" is that you're referring to, but "we" over here understand that it IS heterosexuality, and not homosexuality.

I can appreciate your viewpoint but I sincerely disagree with it.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by Sands

Actually, you were the first to make this argument about sexuality as you elected to present your views about what sexual orientation you need to be in order to be sexually attracted to transsexuals. So conversely, I suppose YOU felt the need to bring sexuality into the mix.

I see that you like to reference evolution for whatever reason, most likely as a way to invoke the idea that homosexuals or transsexuals are inferior as they cannot reproduce (since the bulk of your responses are routinely deprecating). And again, you're exhibiting a rather narrow view of sexual selection and evolved psychological mechanisms. If we have the brain structure and resulting consciousness that allows us a fluid gender or fluid sexuality, then this has more than likely developed over many successive generations and may lend to our species' fitness. At any rate, your presumptions are deeply flawed as you automatically assume homosexual and transsexual individuals do not want to have children and that they can't have children. They can, actually, and they do, actually.

As far as your insistence of "closet homosexuality", this is more than likely a result of your black and white reasoning. Anything that may not fall into your ying and yang outlook is automatically suspect. This is ignorance, plain and simple, which is a shame because you seem like an intelligent person otherwise. The inflexible mind is a dogmatic mind, and the dogmatic mind creates an automaton.

Men who are looking for a woman with a penis are, essentially, looking for a woman with a penis. Note the "woman" part of that sentence. And I'm not sure who the "we" is that you're referring to, but "we" over here understand that it IS heterosexuality, and not homosexuality.

I can appreciate your viewpoint but I sincerely disagree with it.

Well there are certainly men that are attacted to both men and women and there are certainly women attracted to both men and women. Bi sexuality as it's called is the gray area between hetro and homo sexuality. It still doesn't make a man dressed as a woman a woman, no matter what their brains might think of the situation.

Consider if you will what future Archaeologists would think when confronted with the skeleton of a transexual and some DNA matter. Sex would be determined purely from the physical characteristics with no thought to how the person dressed or what sex they considered themselves to be in their minds. It's really that simple I'm afraid. Sexuality does not transcend gender IMHO.

As for the evolution argument, I make that one in gest all the time and you've probably seen me do it in other threads. It's important to note that I didn't bring up evolution here first, it was brought up and I countered the ridiculous argument with this ridiculous counter. Of course homosexuality is not evolution trying to weed out dead ends, it's a wholey ridiculous argument and that was kind of the point.

[Sands]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Well there are certainly men that are attacted to both men and women and there are certainly women attracted to both men and women. Bi sexuality as it's called is the gray area between hetro and homo sexuality. It still doesn't make a man dressed as a woman a woman, no matter what their brains might think of the situation.

Consider if you will what future Archaeologists would think when confronted with the skeleton of a transexual and some DNA matter. Sex would be determined purely from the physical characteristics with no thought to how the person dressed or what sex they considered themselves to be in their minds. It's really that simple I'm afraid. Sexuality does not transcend gender IMHO.

As for the evolution argument, I make that one in gest all the time and you've probably seen me do it in other threads. It's important to note that I didn't bring up evolution here first, it was brought up and I countered the ridiculous argument with this ridiculous counter. Of course homosexuality is not evolution trying to weed out dead ends, it's a wholey ridiculous argument and that was kind of the point.

Thank you for the clarification regarding the evolution stuff.

Archeologist or not, genetics or not, it comes down the whether you and I believe that gender is defined in psychological terms, physical terms, or both. I believe that the two are not mutually exclusive and they combine on a sliding scale to determine an overall gender. On the other hand, you believe that gender is determined solely on a person's biological makeup.

Agree to disagree and thank you for the food for thought.

[DirtyDreamer]

They are human and that's all that counts

[WarChild]

How come if someone believes in their brain that they are the opposite gender than they actually phsyically are that some would consider that to be a "female" trapped in a male body but at the same time nobody would consider someone with multiple personalities to actually be multiple people trapped in one body but rather mentally ill? Thinks that make you go hmmm...

[DrChango]

Originally Posted by Sands

Depends on whether you define gender in mental or physical terms. Psychologically, transsexuals are the opposite gender and seek to change their physical makeup to reflect that. To further complicate the question, imagine you meet and fuck a post-op transsexual. You never find out that he or she used to be a she or he. Are they a man or woman? The Turing Test creates a standard to define "intelligence" when dealing with machines. If a person can't tell that a machine is a machine through the course of a conversation, then according to the Turing Test, that machine has intelligence. If you can't tell you're fucking a transsexual, have they passed some sort of gender test? Can you argue that there's a concrete, non-subjective reality in which they will always be considered their original gender? Some may offer simple answers like, "Yes, once a [gender], always a [gender]," or "You are what you think you are," but the real question to be asked is a question that GFY has been asking since it's creation:

Would you hit it?

you are a damn genius

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by WarChild

How come if someone believes in their brain that they are the opposite gender than they actually phsyically are that some would consider that to be a "female" trapped in a male body but at the same time nobody would consider someone with multiple personalities to actually be multiple people trapped in one body but rather mentally ill? Thinks that make you go hmmm...

i understand you don't understand, or are not willing too, but once you sit down with someone who had a sex change

they are of that sex, bottom line, that is who they are.

meeting a person 'before/after' is like seeing them night and day.. as the 'born sex' they are 'wrong' 'awkward' and just 'off'

with the new sex, it's like seeing someone come out of a depression or something, it's an amazing thing to witness, and lends new weight to the power of the mind over trivial things like matter and genetics

there is nothing regarding transsexuals that threatens your sexuality, there is no need to be defensive about it, or try and explain why we're 'hiding the gay' in us. i'm not gay.. so not gay, i simply don't care other peoples sexuality

[nikki99]

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by nikki99

Thread closed.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Don't be ridiculous. It's not evolution in fact in terms of evolution it can only represent a dead end. Transexuals who think they are women, are of course not and thus CAN NOT PRODUCE CHILDREN. This is not how evolution works.

Guess again.

1) Scientists have already said a man could in fact carry a child to full terms based on his internal structure. The problem is he can't get pregnant. Look it up.

2) How do you explain asexual reproduction? You explain it by saying... evolution! Evolution works on a "need to survive" basis. Almost all plants are asexual, so are jellyfish along with some other breeds of fish, reptiles, organisms and even in some rare cases, some breeds of sharks and birds. How can you say, with your simple human brain that only uses a small percent of it's capability, that the very organisms that can self-reproduce today are not the building blocks for the next generation of humans? You can't.

You can deny it all day long but it's already been done with other species. Humans will sooner or later do the same. Why would we be exempt from such a thing? It's only a matter of time. And with the human race becoming more and more disconnected from each other, hiding behind computers, unable to maintain relationships and spending less time with others, the human race will have to evolve into something like this in order to sustain life. That my friend, is evolution. Where there is a need, life and time will provide a way.

Originally Posted by WarChild

Just come out of the closet already man.

This is not about who is or who is not in the closet, even though you seem to pop up several times in EVERY shemale thread, rather this is about the facts of human survival and the first steps of a perfect race... one that can be 100% self reliant and not need a weaker or non-compatible gender to procreate. It's all just common sense man.

I only wish we were around 5000 years from now to see it. It's going to be GLORIOUS!

You're obviously a smart guy but if you can't grasp this then perhaps you don't really understand evolution and what it really means.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Guess again.

1) Scientists have already said a man could in fact carry a child to full terms based on his internal structure. The problem is he can't get pregnant. Look it up.

2) How do you explain asexual reproduction? You explain it by saying... evolution! Evolution works on a "need to survive" basis. Almost all plants are asexual, so are jellyfish along with some other breeds of fish, reptiles, organisms and even in some rare cases, some breeds of sharks and birds. How can you say, with your simple human brain that only uses a small percent of it's capability, that the very organisms that can self-reproduce today are not the building blocks for the next generation of humans? You can't.

You can deny it all day long but it's already been done with other species. Humans will sooner or later do the same. Why would we be exempt from such a thing? It's only a matter of time. And with the human race becoming more and more disconnected from each other, hiding behind computers, unable to maintain relationships and spending less time with others, the human race will have to evolve into something like this in order to sustain life. That my friend, is evolution. Where there is a need, life and time will provide a way.



This is not about who is or who is not in the closet, even though you seem to pop up several times in EVERY shemale thread, rather this is about the facts of human survival and the first steps of a perfect race... one that can be 100% self reliant and not need a weaker or non-compatible gender to procreate. It's all just common sense man.

I only wish we were around 5000 years from now to see it. It's going to be GLORIOUS!

You're obviously a smart guy but if you can't grasp this then perhaps you don't really understand evolution and what it really means.

Just wow. I'm stunned. So in your perfect World there's no more individuals, we're all just copies of our one parent's DNA. Basically humanity is going towards clones? Nice try, but seriously flawed argument.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Consider if you will what future Archaeologists would think when confronted with the skeleton of a transexual and some DNA matter. Sex would be determined purely from the physical characteristics with no thought to how the person dressed or what sex they considered themselves to be in their minds. It's really that simple I'm afraid. Sexuality does not transcend gender IMHO.

Human Growth Hormone can change your bone structure if abused. This we know is a fact. So lets consider with all the hormones that transsexuals take to look feminine on the outside, that over time the hormones become better and better, changing bone structure and making them more into females. We also know this is possible.

Now allow those same future archaeologists to find a skeleton of a transsexual who has taken some form of hormone to reshape her bones to look like a female. What if they get to a point that the archaeologists just couldn't tell anymore?

"Better living through chemistry" should be the slogan for the TS world because they are becoming more and more feminine every day. Natural tits, soft and smooth skin, bigger hips, softer facial features and so on. It's happening right now. With a mix of hormones and surgery, they are baby stepping to be a perfect human. Like I said, give it 5000 or so years. Maybe even much less. Right now you are seeing the rough drafts of what's to come. A transsexual world is inevitable.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

A transsexual world is inevitable.

That's just a silly presumption.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Just wow. I'm stunned. So in your perfect World there's no more individuals, we're all just copies of our one parent's DNA. Basically humanity is going towards clones? Nice try, but seriously flawed argument.

Hardly flawed. Evolution will find a way. It's not about "my" world or yours.

Life is life be it plants or humans. To the universe, like it or not, your life is no more special than the tree I have in my back yard or the spider on my wall. There is life and there is death, it's that simple. And for life to continue, it will have to change and is already changing. Humans have been changing since day one and will NEVER stop changing. We will evolve into what ever we evolve into and I can assure you it's not me or you, hunched over a keyboard in the dark, chatting on the internet.

If other life forms can self-reproduce, if need be, humans will to. If you honestly believe in evolution and how we evolved from organisms all the way to what we are today, then this should not be a far fetched idea for you to grasp. It has nothing to do with my like or dislike of shemales. It's more of a common sense thought process and a true understand of evolution and that in the eyes of the univerce, you and I both are no more special than any blade of grass in our yards or a jellyfish in the sea that can already self-reproduce.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by WarChild

That's just a silly presumption.

Look at it this way...

Either that will happen OR something totally new will pop up somewhere along the way and be the new front runner for humans. Who's to tell, but based on what we have right now, I'm putting my money on shemales. Both figuratively and literally.

Who would you be so cocky to believe that our current version of "man" is going to be the future? Just imagine if you also had tits and a pussy!

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by WarChild

How come if someone believes in their brain that they are the opposite gender than they actually phsyically are that some would consider that to be a "female" trapped in a male body but at the same time nobody would consider someone with multiple personalities to actually be multiple people trapped in one body but rather mentally ill? Thinks that make you go hmmm...

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Transsexuals are the beginning steps for human hermaphrodites. While yes, they are already some hermaphrodites out there, they are rare and transsexuals are the next step.

It's called evolution. Hardly retarded. Just a fact of nature. Humans are changing. WarChild, 5000 years from now the world may be ONLY trannies!

then the human race will die if their no children