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Old 05-10-2009, 06:34 PM   #101
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Old 05-10-2009, 06:37 PM   #102
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it's disturbing that I see so much mention of UK laws and regulations being adopted to cater to Muslim immigrants that seem to not even like their new country. We have a problem with that in the American border states (whole neighborhoods in town have all the signs in Spanish, some public schools are run purely in Spanish but are billed as "English as a second language" schools).
My grandmother emigrated to the United States in the fifties (her father was German, her mother Nicaraguan...English was her third language) and you gotta hear her thoughts on people not learning the local language and adapting to local laws and customs.
Why do you have a Spanish nick if you feel Spanish is a problem?
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Old 05-10-2009, 06:56 PM   #103
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Old 05-10-2009, 06:56 PM   #104
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btw. i don't think it is good to call irrational any idea You don't agree with, For example: for a religious person atheism could be irrational and religions or existence of GOD could be irrational for an atheist person, if You just call it irrational within looking horse glasses, it means you're creating an other fundamentalism.

in fundamentalism one of the main behave is prejudice no matter if the group is Christian, Judaist, Agnostic, Atheist or Muslim or what so ever..
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Old 05-11-2009, 12:50 AM   #105
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Old 05-11-2009, 03:29 AM   #106
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btw. i don't think it is good to call irrational any idea You don't agree with, For example: for a religious person atheism could be irrational and religions or existence of GOD could be irrational for an atheist person, if You just call it irrational within looking horse glasses, it means you're creating an other fundamentalism.

in fundamentalism one of the main behave is prejudice no matter if the group is Christian, Judaist, Agnostic, Atheist or Muslim or what so ever..
Religious persons who claim there is a God, and that the God has a set of rules which governs everything/everybody, purely based on anecdotal/hearsay evidence are irrational, because they provide no logic way to validate their claim (ex. scientific evidence)... it simple a matter of belief in which a the religious persons hold their premise to be true - without the use of logic, which makes them irrational (illogical).

An atheist or agnostic does not make a claim that something exist, which makes them rational when using logic (they do not have to prove the existens of a negative, since it does not exist).

The religious persons are introducing religion into the community/society - they are the ones making a statement that God exist, so its up to them to prove they are rational or else everyone could claim everything based on nothing (ex. my little finger is the ruler of all Gods etc.).
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Old 05-11-2009, 04:56 AM   #107
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Btw. let me mention an example,

Again, please don't consider me xenophobic, I might sound like that time from time, considering my personal, very negative experience with the minority I will mention, but in general I try to fight every prejudice and rely on case by case judgment.

Former Czechoslovakia used to have less than 1000 gypsy citizens in 1945 (also due to certain practicies between 1939 - 45).

These days - it's about 500 000 (can't be counted) which accounts for about 5 pct. of population with these specifics:

- 95 pct. unemployed
- most of them do not speak the language
- families with 10 and more kids are not rare and cashing the most welfare checks
- massive abuse of the social system
- increased criminality where they are local, a person without a criminal record is rather rare

They're trying to throw more money on the problem, which will never work.
Those fucking gypsis are doing the same thing in every country, it's fucking unbelievable. States are throwing money at them to give them a chance, ha what chance, they don't wan't to work. They wan't welfare, move on with their criminality and show everyone else the finger!

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Simple solution really

A) reduce immigration by 90% especially from muslims countries

B) end your welfare states. Give them one less reason to come to your country.

C) encourage natives to breed.

By the way some of you are talking maybe you should have let Hitler do his thing. You sure wouldn't be having any problems with Muslim immigration now if the Germans had won the war now would you?
Then we all would have speaken German. Ahhh, those were the days. Ein Bier Bitte!
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Old 05-11-2009, 05:46 AM   #108
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btw. i don't think it is good to call irrational any idea You don't agree with, For example: for a religious person atheism could be irrational and religions or existence of GOD could be irrational for an atheist person, if You just call it irrational within looking horse glasses, it means you're creating an other fundamentalism.

in fundamentalism one of the main behave is prejudice no matter if the group is Christian, Judaist, Agnostic, Atheist or Muslim or what so ever..
What is interesting about beliefs is that its based on numbers more than anything else. In other words, the more people believe something (in terms of numbers), the more correct and right, that belief becomes.

Fundamentalism is typically defined as a strict adherence to a very narrowly defined and strict set of beliefs. stepping back and saying "that's not rational" isn't by definition, fundamentalist in nature.

I think a common difference between Islam and other larger world religions is that although each might privately profess to believe their way is the only way, Islam is the one that openly says that as a basic tenet of their beliefs. Islam is the one burning down buildings and rioting because of a cartoon. Islam is the one with people filling the streets, shooting guns into the air to celebrate a suicide bombing. Islam is the one kidnapping and cutting the heads off journalists and so on. Islam is the one fighting battles in the middle east to impose Sharia Law. Islam is the face of terrorism in the world right now.

Islam in my view, has a much deserved image problem.

I don't have anything against anyone's religion or beliefs. I personally don't care. Believing in God or something similar is no more or less rational than any other set of beliefs we cling to as we innately struggle to find some purpose in life. People believe in big foot or that the government is reading their thoughts or whatever. Unless those beliefs are driven by schizophrenia or some psychological disorder, then they are no more or less rational than the idea that someone showed up one day and turned water into wine, walked through fire etc.

Personally, i think EU/US will get what they deserve. If immigrants can move into a country, refuse to assimilate and eventually take it over because they become the majority.. then good for them. They won fair and square. I also think it will happen in most of the world. Islam will ultimately win over other religions because by its own nature, demands it does win.
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