US woman on welfare denied entrance to Canada BECAUSE SHE'S ON WELFARE - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

sortie · 05-11-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/...nt_kept_o.html

OWOSSO, Mich. -- A mid-Michigan woman says she was denied entry into Canada because she is on welfare.

Rose Kelley of Owosso says she has filed a discrimination complaint with the Canada Border Services Agency over its refusal to let her and her two children cross the border via the Blue Water Bridge connecting Port Huron with Sarnia, Ontario.

The 25-year-old Kelley tells The Argus-Press of Owosso that she planned to visit friends and relatives when she arrived at the border May 1. She says she was told to furnish evidence of citizenship, financial support and other documentation, but was denied entry again on May 3.

Kelley says she was told she didn't make enough money and people on welfare shouldn't take vacations.

Do you think Canada Customs officers did the right thing? Should someone be denied entry into the US or Canada because they're on welfare?

Some might say yes. When you're on welfare you should have to give up certain luxuries like... taking trips to other countries to spend your welfare cheques.

Yay or nay?

The right to travel freely is a CIVIL RIGHT.

Now ask yourself if you can put a price tag on a civil right and have it still be a right or
even civil.

If it's only right if you have the right amount of money then that's capitalism which
has nothing at all to do with civil rights.

Hint : It will not be a "capital rights" law suit that she will win when she wins.

baddog · 05-11-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

The right to travel freely is a CIVIL RIGHT.

Now ask yourself if you can put a price tag on a civil right and have it still be a right or
even civil.

If it's only right if you have the right amount of money then that's capitalism which
has nothing at all to do with civil rights.

Hint : It will not be a "capital rights" law suit that she will win when she wins.

Any right to travel would only be valid in the traveler's native country. No one can tell another country what they can and can not do as far as letting people in their borders.

blazin · 05-12-2009, 12:21 AM

FACT: If you are going to any 1st world country from a 3rd world country you have to prove that you can afford to take care of yourself there.

just a punk · 05-12-2009, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Do you think Canada Customs officers did the right thing? Should someone be denied entry into the US or Canada because they're on welfare

Sounds very reasonable. I believe Canada like any other country has enough its own beggars, so why allow to let in the another one?

GregE · 05-12-2009, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by blazin

FACT: If you are going to any 1st world country from a 3rd world country you have to prove that you can afford to take care of yourself there.

Yeah, right

voa · 05-12-2009, 02:30 AM

That is so unfair

Pleasurepays · 05-12-2009, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by voa

That is so unfair

what does "fair" mean? that's a pretty subjective idea. anything that is "fair" to you, will certainly seem unfair to someone else.

life is unfair. life is not by design, intended to be fair. you can't make life fair. if life could be fair, there would be no need to work, no need for political parties, no different forms of government or economies or wars. we would all just be sitting in a park catching butterflies and petting retarded kids on the head.

Fletch XXX · 05-12-2009, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Some might say yes. When you're on welfare you should have to give up certain luxuries like... taking trips to other countries to spend your welfare cheques.

Yay or nay?

you make it sound like she flew around the world on first class...

SHE CROSSED A LOCAL BRIDGE, not spent thousands on airplane fare lol

So if I cross the bridge to go to new orleans, this is equivalent of "taking a trip?" lol

people pay thousands to come here, but I just gotta drive 2 mins, that means vacation? no.

fusionx · 05-12-2009, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ethersync

I have never heard of border guards anywhere asking for proof of financial support. Surprising...

Really? Try going anywhere in Latin America.

For example, people coming from Colombia to Panama have to have $500 US in cash, or a valid credit card with at least $500 available.

Most countries require proof of income - they don't want the homeless and others showing up to take advantage of better social service programs, etc..

escorpio · 05-12-2009, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sortie

The right to travel freely is a CIVIL RIGHT.

Did you learn this from an Ice Cube video?

LiveDose · 05-12-2009, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

Did you learn this from an Ice Cube video?

Haha...

The right to travel is a civil right? Tell that to people in Cuba or North Korea...

pornguy · 05-12-2009, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

LOL.

Look... I'm all for ending this cyclical welfare state, but crossing a border to visit family or friends is not a luxury. Yeh, she doesn't "need" to do it... but we don't know the full story either. Perhaps her family paid for the trip? Perhaps she saved up a little money here and there so her kids could visit their grandparents?

Who knows. Unless Canada is deathly afraid of Americans migrating north to get more free benefits, denying someone entrance because they receive financial benefits in their home country is stretching it.

Thats the thing. She would be spending Money give to her by the US tax payers in another country. This is a Damned if you do, and damned if you dont thing.

Vicious_B · 05-12-2009, 07:54 AM

I have to agree with all of those who said that there has to be way more to this story than what has been disclosed so far.

Being on welfare doesn't automatically mean you are recieving cash benefits.
You can have a job and still be on welfare, and no one knows the circumstances leading up to her being on welfare.
No one knows why she was travelling to Canada. If it was a case of a wedding, funeral, illness ect and her family paid for her to come. Or it may be her parents are elderly and wanted to see their granchildren.
No one knows if she got belligerent at the border and refused to cooperate with their questions.

There are too many unknown factors at this point to say whether or not she was kept from entering the country unfairly.

CDSmith · 05-12-2009, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

That's fucking gay. Now I've never been to Canada and I've never heard of this. So what if I planned a vacation and then at the border I get asked to provide my financials which I wouldn't have and is frankly none of thier business. I can't get to my hotel room that I paid for already? FUCK CANADA. I don't hear the UK or Australia doing this. Maybe the US should start asking Canadians if they have money.

They do, and have been for as long as I can remember. The last time I drove down to the states alone in my vehicle the US customs guy asked me how much money I had with me and how much I had access to, what I do for a living, how long I'd be staying in the US and specifically where I was headed and who I was going to visit.

However, as I said this is the first time I've heard of anyone travelling in either direction being turned away because they're on welfare.

CDSmith · 05-12-2009, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

you make it sound like she flew around the world on first class...

No, I don't "make it sound" like anything. I was merely putting forth one school of thought on this issue for the sake of conversation. Nowhere did I state that this is my official opinion.

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

SHE CROSSED A LOCAL BRIDGE, not spent thousands on airplane fare lol

So if I cross the bridge to go to new orleans, this is equivalent of "taking a trip?" lol

people pay thousands to come here, but I just gotta drive 2 mins, that means vacation? no.

The objection some people have is that she's drawing welfare, money provided her by the government which ultimately comes out of the people's pocket, YOUR pocket, and she's taking that money and spending it in another country.

And it's a valid concern. Doesn't matter if that country is 200 yards down the road and over a bridge or across an ocean.

CDSmith · 05-12-2009, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sortie

The right to travel freely is a CIVIL RIGHT.

Now ask yourself if you can put a price tag on a civil right and have it still be a right or
even civil.

If it's only right if you have the right amount of money then that's capitalism which
has nothing at all to do with civil rights.

Hint : It will not be a "capital rights" law suit that she will win when she wins.

Next time you travel across any border into another country try telling the border guards or customs officials that.

"It's my CIVIL RIGHT to travel into your country!!" (even though you only have five bucks to your name)

See how far that gets you. :D

Pleasurepays · 05-12-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

you make it sound like she flew around the world on first class...

SHE CROSSED A LOCAL BRIDGE, not spent thousands on airplane fare lol

So if I cross the bridge to go to new orleans, this is equivalent of "taking a trip?" lol

people pay thousands to come here, but I just gotta drive 2 mins, that means vacation? no.

are you suggesting New Orleans is a foreign country with its own entry requirements? that might be the confusion is on your part... you see... poverty is not a badge to be worn with pride or something to be celebrated.

fris · 05-12-2009, 10:42 AM

its not because shes on welfare its becasuse the amount of money she had/has with her, if you are going into another country and have no money, what are you going to do? I know whenever i go into america they sometimes ask how much money I have with me, what my job is.

who · 05-12-2009, 10:45 AM

Totally on Canada's side here.

SmokeyTheBear · 05-12-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicksMichele

I have to agree with all of those who said that there has to be way more to this story than what has been disclosed so far.

there isn't , its a standard question. Border guards on both sides are pretty much dicks, if you dont answer how they want , you dont get in. Go sit by the customs booth in an airport, happens every few minutes in a busy airport.

I once argued with a border guard for hours who insisted i wasn't an american because i didnt have my passport.

Try going from canada to usa thru washington and tell them you are helping a friend move. LOL, you won't get across , rich or poor, priest or pimp, you are "taking a job from an american"

I cant think of very many countries you could gain entry to with her criteria, "here to visit friends , i have no money and am on welfare"

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Originally Posted by 12clicksMichele

There are too many unknown factors at this point to say whether or not she was kept from entering the country unfairly.

"unfairly" would be pretty subjective.

Some might say it would be "UNFAIR" to keep out people with yellow hats.

But if it's not your country and they have a rule about people with yellow hats , it could hardly be unfair. especially if your own country has the same exact rules ?

SmokeyTheBear · 05-12-2009, 11:09 AM

on an interesting sidenote, they aren't just dicks to broke americans

mexicans denied entry for "looking poor"
http://mostlywater.org/vancouver_mex...look ing_poor

SmokeyTheBear · 05-12-2009, 11:27 AM

and this one more to the point

Canadian denied entry to usa trade show
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A B.C. sales representative who markets equestrian products in Canada was barred from crossing the U.S. border to attend a trade show last month by a U.S. Customs and Border Protection officer who accused him of trying to steal American jobs.

Borsteinas said he was then fingerprinted and sent back into Canada. The border officer warned him if he tried to enter the U.S. on business again, he should expect to be prosecuted.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...ectionism.html

theking · 05-12-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/...nt_kept_o.html

OWOSSO, Mich. -- A mid-Michigan woman says she was denied entry into Canada because she is on welfare.

Rose Kelley of Owosso says she has filed a discrimination complaint with the Canada Border Services Agency over its refusal to let her and her two children cross the border via the Blue Water Bridge connecting Port Huron with Sarnia, Ontario.

The 25-year-old Kelley tells The Argus-Press of Owosso that she planned to visit friends and relatives when she arrived at the border May 1. She says she was told to furnish evidence of citizenship, financial support and other documentation, but was denied entry again on May 3.

Kelley says she was told she didn't make enough money and people on welfare shouldn't take vacations.

Do you think Canada Customs officers did the right thing? Should someone be denied entry into the US or Canada because they're on welfare?

Some might say yes. When you're on welfare you should have to give up certain luxuries like... taking trips to other countries to spend your welfare cheques.

Yay or nay?

Didn't it used to be and may still be a fact that to cross into Canada from the U.S. that one had to have X amount of cash upon their person,

jollyperv · 05-12-2009, 11:30 AM

Try being in a band and getting across the canadian border...fucking NIGHTMARE

CDSmith · 05-12-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

Didn't it used to be and may still be a fact that to cross into Canada from the U.S. that one had to have X amount of cash upon their person,

Not that I've ever heard or known about. What border guards have done and often still do is ask you how MUCH money you're carrying, along with how long you plan to visit, where or with whom you'll be visiting, for what purpose, etc.

They do want to know how much cash you have or have access to, but no, I've never known of any clear rule that says there's a minimum amount you have to have on you.

Each case is subjective though.

Trixxxia · 05-12-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Not that I've ever heard or known about. What border guards have done and often still do is ask you how MUCH money you're carrying, along with how long you plan to visit, where or with whom you'll be visiting, for what purpose, etc.

They do want to know how much cash you have or have access to, but no, I've never known of any clear rule that says there's a minimum amount you have to have on you.

Each case is subjective though.

Never heard of that either - the only thing I do know is that you can't have more than the equivalent of 10k cash and that's for money laundering reasons

CDSmith · 05-12-2009, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

and this one more to the point

Canadian denied entry to usa trade show
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A B.C. sales representative who markets equestrian products in Canada was barred from crossing the U.S. border to attend a trade show last month by a U.S. Customs and Border Protection officer who accused him of trying to steal American jobs.

Borsteinas said he was then fingerprinted and sent back into Canada. The border officer warned him if he tried to enter the U.S. on business again, he should expect to be prosecuted.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...ectionism.html

He's screwed now.

Everytime he tries to even cross the border with his family to take them to Disney world, 6 flags, Vegas, or even a shopping spree they're going to scrutinize him inside and out to make sure he's not going to be there for business.

He's obviously in the wrong business. :D

theking · 05-12-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Not that I've ever heard or known about. What border guards have done and often still do is ask you how MUCH money you're carrying, along with how long you plan to visit, where or with whom you'll be visiting, for what purpose, etc.

They do want to know how much cash you have or have access to, but no, I've never known of any clear rule that says there's a minimum amount you have to have on you.

Each case is subjective though.

The reason I asked is because more than one person I have known claimed that they were denied entry because they did not have enough money on their person...thus I assumed that X amount was required for entry. I know one person that claimed he was denied entry to enter Canada from Washington state to visit a girl that he knew in Penticton (probably not the correct spelling)...which I think was only fifty miles or so into Canada...not because he didn't have enough money on his person...but was told that it was to late of an hour to be visiting.

fuzebox · 05-12-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Unless Canada is deathly afraid of Americans migrating north to get more free benefits

Err Canada is globally famous for the free ride they give the poor and disadvantaged...

fuzebox · 05-12-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ethersync

I have never heard of border guards anywhere asking for proof of financial support. Surprising...

I get asked almost every time when entering the USA how I "intend to support myself while in the country". Sometimes they want proof (yes while standing there in line at customs in the airport). We actually travel with bank statements printed out to avoid the hassle.

quantum-x · 05-12-2009, 12:26 PM

Canadian immigration is fucking difficult.
I travel on an APEC card (think, Nexus program, but working for 20+ countries, and a lot harder to obtain) - and the last two times I went into Canada, I was sent to the immigration holding pen.

The best out of all of these was this woman sitting behind her desk saying to me:
Sir, you must tell me how you money is in your australian bank accounts.

Motherfuckers - I can go into China without a visa and be granted one instantly, with no problems, and here you are, in a commonwealth country, sending a commonwealth citizen, with an APEC card through immigration.

Seriously, I could write a book about Canadian immigration...

fuzebox · 05-12-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by quantum-x

Seriously, I could write a book about Canadian immigration...

They treat their own citizens just as bad... It's as if they resent you for wanting to leave the country.

Jdoughs · 05-12-2009, 12:41 PM

Its 10 times as bad now after 911, thanks to scrutiny and complaints from the US government.

Funny to hear you all bitch that its too tight now.

CDSmith · 05-12-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

They treat their own citizens just as bad... It's as if they resent you for wanting to leave the country.

Well, to be clear here you don't check in with Canada Customs when you're leaving the country, only when you return. And on that I've almost always had an easier time with then than I have with US customs.

On my trips to Mexico years ago (via airline) I had very little problems with Mexican customs & Immigration officials, but when returning to Canada, yes, they were absolute sticklers for accounting for every penny of worth for what you're bringing back with you.... only if you were one of the unlucky ones directed to follow that one line painted on the floor that leads to the "get checked" zone. Otherwise you're good to go. But if they check your luggage out, which they did to me on one occasion, all I can say is you better have your figures right and your shit together, because if you only declared one bottle and you're actually smuggling 5 bottles... let's just say they no likey that.

I'm sure it's usually easier for anyone returning to their own country though. Me being Canadian from birth it's understandable that it would be smoother coming home than leaving. Usually.

quantum-x · 05-12-2009, 12:52 PM

It's safe to say, after travelling through:
Russia
Ukraine
Mongolia
China
Hong Kong
Japan
Singapore
Dubai
USA
Canada
Denmark
Netherlands
Germany
France
Swizterland
Spain
Gibraltar
UK

The WORST countries, in terms of immigration, lack of respect, and out-and-out cuntery are Canada and the UK, hands down - and I've been stuck in both the Ukraine and China without a visa before...

candyflip · 05-12-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Do you think Canada Customs officers did the right thing? Should someone be denied entry into the US or Canada because they're on welfare?

Some might say yes. When you're on welfare you should have to give up certain luxuries like... taking trips to other countries to spend your welfare cheques.

Yay or nay?

Why would Canada care what a US citizen does with their Welfare check? If Michigan hasn't put a limit on what she can do, they really shouldn't be stepping in.

Any money she or anyone else from the US spends across the border isn't a bad thing either, yet...is it?

Jdoughs · 05-12-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

Why would Canada care what a US citizen does with their Welfare check? If Michigan hasn't put a limit on what she can do, they really shouldn't be stepping in.

Any money she or anyone else from the US spends across the border isn't a bad thing either, yet...is it?

They don't care what she spends her check on, what they care about is her having enough money to get back home, so our gov/citizens don't have to pay for her return or living expenses.

They didnt 'step in', she tried to enter the country with no job and no money.

Vicious_B · 05-12-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs

They don't care what she spends her check on, what they care about is her having enough money to get back home, so our gov/citizens don't have to pay for her return or living expenses.

They didnt 'step in', she tried to enter the country with no job and no money.

And what if her parents paid for her trip, round trip, because of a families members illness or if they were dying? Again all the facts are not known.
Also you can be on welfare and have a job. Welfare is not always exclusively cash assistance.
No one knows all the facts to the story so no one can say that this woman was intending to enter Canada to take advantage of their health care or whatever. Obviously if she was already recieving assistance why would she need to go to Canada to get it!

donkevlar · 05-12-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

That's fucking gay. Now I've never been to Canada and I've never heard of this. So what if I planned a vacation and then at the border I get asked to provide my financials which I wouldn't have and is frankly none of thier business. I can't get to my hotel room that I paid for already? FUCK CANADA. I don't hear the UK or Australia doing this. Maybe the US should start asking Canadians if they have money.

I had to prove I had 2K to fly to London from Canada.

Jdoughs · 05-12-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicksMichele

And what if her parents paid for her trip, round trip, because of a families members illness or if they were dying? Again all the facts are not known.
Also you can be on welfare and have a job. Welfare is not always exclusively cash assistance.
No one knows all the facts to the story so no one can say that this woman was intending to enter Canada to take advantage of their health care or whatever. Obviously if she was already recieving assistance why would she need to go to Canada to get it!

None of that matters.

Why should they care if someone else paid her way?

Bottom line is they most likely made the right choice in turning her down. Its not her 'right' to visit our country, its a privilege.

Think with your head not your heart.

quantum-x · 05-12-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs

Think with your head not your heart.

No, that's the exact issue. Each immigration agent is a little-hitler.
Pick one, you get landed in immigation.
Pick another, you go through.

It depends on their attitude, prejudices and mood of the day.

The system is anything but objective.

CDSmith · 05-12-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

I know one person that claimed he was denied entry to enter Canada from Washington state to visit a girl that he knew in Penticton (probably not the correct spelling)...which I think was only fifty miles or so into Canada...not because he didn't have enough money on his person...but was told that it was to late of an hour to be visiting.

I could see that, especially if one lives in a border town. Allowing someone a 3 am crossing for a booty call could very well be denied.

...esp if the girl he's wanting to visit is the border guard's daughter.

Pleasurepays · 05-12-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicksMichele

And what if her parents paid for her trip, round trip, because of a families members illness or if they were dying? Again all the facts are not known.
Also you can be on welfare and have a job. Welfare is not always exclusively cash assistance.
No one knows all the facts to the story so no one can say that this woman was intending to enter Canada to take advantage of their health care or whatever. Obviously if she was already recieving assistance why would she need to go to Canada to get it!

What is so hard for you to understand? its VERY normal when crossing the border of ANY country for them to ask about your finances and to make sure you have enough money to survive.

In spite of what people here might think... CANADA has ALWAYS done this for people driving from Alaska to the rest of the States and most countries do it and have always done it.

Furthermore, entry requirements are based on reciprocal rules. When one side establishes new criteria, the other side does the same for people originating from that country.

It's fine to say "i dunno because i don't travel much" - but you guys are yammering on and on about something that is such a normal thing for going anywhere and post 9/11 travel between the US and Canada changed drastically and continued to change as new rules were implemented on both sides to better secure borders and track who is coming and going.

I used to live on the border and go to Vancouver constantly... I stopped because it wasn't worth the pain in the ass it had become.

It's like you people don't even realize that Canada and the US are two different countries.

Scott Jack · 05-12-2009, 02:22 PM

Hard to say whether or not she was denied wrongly or not without knowing the full story behind everything, but who the fuck does this bitch think she is filing a discrimination complaint and trying to get all this media attention. If she felt that she shouldn't have been denied access to our country she could have went to the US border office to get a re-entry permit like every other normal fucking person.

I have no sympathy for this bitch though because she sounds like your typical welfare bitch with way too much time on her hands. If she wasn't she would have filed for re-entry and not make some big fucking deal about something that happens everyday.

MovieMaster · 05-12-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

The Canadians are proving that they have more sense than we do. Why should Canada have to grant entry to a person who is not financially responsible and potentially a burden --particularly for luxury reasons --such as vacations?

Agree 100%, now if we could apply that to our immigration policies

fuzebox · 05-12-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Well, to be clear here you don't check in with Canada Customs when you're leaving the country, only when you return. And on that I've almost always had an easier time with then than I have with US customs.

I was referring to the horrible experiences I have almost every time I return obviously, I am Canadian and live outside of the country. Canadian Customs officials are ruder to me than the Americans if you can believe that.

quiet · 05-12-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by quantum-x

It's safe to say, after travelling through:
Russia
Ukraine
Mongolia
China
Hong Kong
Japan
Singapore
Dubai
USA
Canada
Denmark
Netherlands
Germany
France
Swizterland
Spain
Gibraltar
UK

The WORST countries, in terms of immigration, lack of respect, and out-and-out cuntery are Canada and the UK, hands down - and I've been stuck in both the Ukraine and China without a visa before...

i absolutely agree.

lulu36 · 05-12-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Why is that? Why the hell should my tax dollars be spent on a vacation?

got a few rises with my comments... what i'm saying it that its her basic human right to make a choice to go on vacation. i didn't say it was cool that our tax dollars go to this or that it didn't piss me off.

CDSmith · 05-12-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

I was referring to the horrible experiences I have almost every time I return obviously, I am Canadian and live outside of the country. Canadian Customs officials are ruder to me than the Americans if you can believe that.

Ah, then you would be an exception because you're in special circumstances.

That I can understand.

Although... I know several couples who do the RV thing down in the US for 4 to 5 months out of every year, including my oldest brother and his wife. None have said anything to me about having trouble returning home to Canada after being away so long. I'll have to ask my bro about it though, it's just never really come up in conversation.

cykoe6 · 05-12-2009, 09:03 PM

There is something about this story that clearly does not make any sense....... I find it very hard to believe that someone wanted to voluntarily visit Canada.

05-12-2009, 12:21 AM	#53
blazin Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,781	FACT: If you are going to any 1st world country from a 3rd world country you have to prove that you can afford to take care of yourself there. __________________ I don't endorse a god damn thing......

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Vicious_B Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,564	I have to agree with all of those who said that there has to be way more to this story than what has been disclosed so far. Being on welfare doesn't automatically mean you are recieving cash benefits. You can have a job and still be on welfare, and no one knows the circumstances leading up to her being on welfare. No one knows why she was travelling to Canada. If it was a case of a wedding, funeral, illness ect and her family paid for her to come. Or it may be her parents are elderly and wanted to see their granchildren. No one knows if she got belligerent at the border and refused to cooperate with their questions. There are too many unknown factors at this point to say whether or not she was kept from entering the country unfairly. __________________ ICQ# 419 775 271

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fris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 55,287	its not because shes on welfare its becasuse the amount of money she had/has with her, if you are going into another country and have no money, what are you going to do? I know whenever i go into america they sometimes ask how much money I have with me, what my job is. __________________ Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence. WP Stuff

05-12-2009, 11:09 AM	#71
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	on an interesting sidenote, they aren't just dicks to broke americans mexicans denied entry for "looking poor" http://mostlywater.org/vancouver_mex...look ing_poor __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

05-12-2009, 11:27 AM	#72
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	and this one more to the point Canadian denied entry to usa trade show ------------ A B.C. sales representative who markets equestrian products in Canada was barred from crossing the U.S. border to attend a trade show last month by a U.S. Customs and Border Protection officer who accused him of trying to steal American jobs. Borsteinas said he was then fingerprinted and sent back into Canada. The border officer warned him if he tried to enter the U.S. on business again, he should expect to be prosecuted. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...ectionism.html __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

05-12-2009, 02:30 AM	#56
voa Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 16,532	That is so unfair

05-12-2009, 10:45 AM	#69
who So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ICQ #23642053 Posts: 19,593	Totally on Canada's side here.

05-12-2009, 11:30 AM	#74
jollyperv Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 3,927	Try being in a band and getting across the canadian border...fucking NIGHTMARE

05-12-2009, 12:26 PM	#81
quantum-x Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ICQ: 251425 Fr/Au/Ca Posts: 6,863	Canadian immigration is fucking difficult. I travel on an APEC card (think, Nexus program, but working for 20+ countries, and a lot harder to obtain) - and the last two times I went into Canada, I was sent to the immigration holding pen. The best out of all of these was this woman sitting behind her desk saying to me: Sir, you must tell me how you money is in your australian bank accounts. Motherfuckers - I can go into China without a visa and be granted one instantly, with no problems, and here you are, in a commonwealth country, sending a commonwealth citizen, with an APEC card through immigration. Seriously, I could write a book about Canadian immigration... __________________ PrettyInCash.com - BoozedGFs.com - TeenGFs.com - JizzGFs.com- MilfUploads.com -

05-12-2009, 12:41 PM	#83
Jdoughs Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Great White North Posts: 5,794	Its 10 times as bad now after 911, thanks to scrutiny and complaints from the US government. Funny to hear you all bitch that its too tight now. __________________ LinkSpun - Premier Adult Link Trading Community - ICQ - 464/\281/\250 Be Seen By New Webmasters/Affiliates * Target out webmasters/affiliates based on niches your sites are for less than $20 a month. AmeriNOC - Proudly hosted @ AmeriNOC!

05-12-2009, 12:52 PM	#85
quantum-x Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ICQ: 251425 Fr/Au/Ca Posts: 6,863	It's safe to say, after travelling through: Russia Ukraine Mongolia China Hong Kong Japan Singapore Dubai USA Canada Denmark Netherlands Germany France Swizterland Spain Gibraltar UK The WORST countries, in terms of immigration, lack of respect, and out-and-out cuntery are Canada and the UK, hands down - and I've been stuck in both the Ukraine and China without a visa before... __________________ PrettyInCash.com - BoozedGFs.com - TeenGFs.com - JizzGFs.com- MilfUploads.com -

05-12-2009, 02:22 PM	#94
Scott Jack Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 104	Hard to say whether or not she was denied wrongly or not without knowing the full story behind everything, but who the fuck does this bitch think she is filing a discrimination complaint and trying to get all this media attention. If she felt that she shouldn't have been denied access to our country she could have went to the US border office to get a re-entry permit like every other normal fucking person. I have no sympathy for this bitch though because she sounds like your typical welfare bitch with way too much time on her hands. If she wasn't she would have filed for re-entry and not make some big fucking deal about something that happens everyday. __________________ My ICQ is 390-467-288 Send me message if you have celebrity partner accounts or daily plugs available.

05-12-2009, 09:03 PM	#100
cykoe6 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vegas Posts: 4,499	There is something about this story that clearly does not make any sense....... I find it very hard to believe that someone wanted to voluntarily visit Canada. __________________ бабки, шлюхи, сила